I have fret type Stripes on my fiddle to assist in learning ? I have been practising a few months, a great assist for anyone learning, but when should one remove them ? ie you don't want to get too dependent on them.
I wouldn't rush to take them off. Use your ears to try and improve your intonation but while you are starting off you have plenty of things to concentrate on so the markings will help.
When you do decide to take them off I would recommend that you do it in stages. Loose the 2nd finger one first as that is easy to place next to the 1st of third. Then the third finger next and finally the first finger.
The best way to improve your ears (helping to get it exactly right) is to check with double stops. I copied here something I wrote in an earlier therad as an example:
'To help you develop the right position of your left hand and the stretch in your hand: start to put the 4th finger down on the E string (B), then the 3rd, then 2nd, then 1st. Make sure the pitch is absolutely correct (given you 're playing in D: check the 3rd finger with open A string (octave), second with open G (octave), second with open A. To check the pitch of the 4th finger, first play a B on the A string, check it with open E, then play B-E double stop and correct your 4th until you have an octave).'
Richard, I think they do have thier uses with children.
If its helps them to learn a tune quicker then there is a smaller chance of them loosing interest. I'm only guessing but would a child be as enthusiastic about learning if they were struggling to find the notes, I think they would get frustrated.
I think Sam Proctors advice is good
.in the meantime try and improve your intonation,by playing the following scales d major, d mixolydian,d dorian,d aeolian,and listen carefully,to the differences between c natural and c# ,f natural, f#.
D aeolian is good,that is the flattened 3,flattened 6,flattened 7,this forces you to play b flat.
also practise playing your fourth finger ,against the open string to get a unison double stop.
Session savage, I'd agree, I think they are a help for kids starting out, otherwise they can get so frustrated with not being able to get it right that they want to give up. However I explain to them that the markers are only a rough guide, they need to listen as well. once they've got a few tunes and are getting used to the feel of where their fingers should be, I'd encourage them to take the markers off.
If it makes you comfortable use them...I dont really see the problem unless you start to rely on them too much. I used the double stop technique myself - but that only works if your strings are spot on in tune in the first place I shouldnt be dishing advice though - I'm still hit and miss on the high b and dont even get me started on the high c !!
But obviously listening is your best bet, it'll come eventually with practise - I was listening back to tapes I made when I first started out (a tip from one of my teachers) and was horrified at how out of tune I was.....I cant remember it being that bad, but it really was.
IMO. When you can put your fingers down in the right place without looking. Then you wont need them. But even then, why take them off at all? So you don't look like a learner? I was at a session last week, there was an old bloke with a cheap Chinese fiddle with tape on. He was a seriously good player. Obviously he didn't need the tape, and should have been playing on a good fiddle.
I put tape on to reach my high D,E,G,and A with good intonation. and to be honest I would still like to have some marks up there for high pressure gigs etc.
Yesof course they are rough markers, listening is essential for fine tuning.
llig,
I also play guitar, fiddle, banjo, mandolin , harmonica.
Listening and learning to recognise intervals,also playing chromatic scales helps to develop your ear.
when you tune your fiddle,tune it against another note do not use a tuner,unless the tuner has an electronic note,for you to tune against,just twiddle your adjusters around until it sounds right against the note,you are now starting to train your ear and are listening .
Just to give you a bit of background on why I asked,
I have no problem doing playing once I get the initial note correct, I know if something is in tune or not, be it any instrument, The Guide Frets are handy for me in the sence I know that I am in tune once I use these for referrence,
last week, My daughters fiddle teacher offered me a go of his fiddle, I could not do anything on it because It had no guide frets, hence I was thinking of taking mine off, likewise if I was to trade up in Fiddles, I would be redundant in a fiddle shop at the moment, as I am used to the frets, But as I said, they are used to start a tune- I barely look where I put my fingers after that, it comes naturally enough.
They're training wheels. You should be using your ears to know if you're in tune. I used those stickers (little white dots) for six months when I was 7 and first learning. Take as long as you need but remember, they are training wheels.
If you always need a visual or tactile marker to know if you are in tune, your ears will never work properly. You must rely on your ears eventually, hopefully, or you will most likely never be content with your playing.
Hang on, my mistake. Frets!... No I don't think they are a good idea. unless you plan to always use them.
If you want to play fret less fiddle, play a fret less fiddle. A visual guide is OK IMO, but frets? Effectively a different instrument. Thats Ok, of course. Play whatever instrument you want, just be clear what it is you want to play.
Session Savage, I had a lot to do with child learners at one stage. They didn't have bits of tape on the finger board, and they didn't get frustrated and give up. They learned to listen. If you learn to rely on your ears from the begining, you are building a firm foundation. If you rely on your eyes you will only have to un-learn that later. Why waste time?
Something to bear in mind with children learning the fiddle is that they are growing. A B on the E-string, say, was a much bigger stretch for them a year ago than it is now - so the tactile memoy is much less useful to them than it os to an adult fiddler. Things are further complicated when they progress from one size of fiddle to the next. So a visual guide might be useful to children. But, for an adult, I would think that, apart from perhaps as an introductory measure (for the first couple of weeks, say), fingerboard markers could very quickly become a hindrance to the learning process.
all of the above...plus, the tapes leave a gunky residue that's hard to get rid of. I never let the kids in my school orchestra keep them on, once they can play a scale slowly in tune. Very often, they are in the wrong place to begin with.
There are so many reasons why they are a bad idea. If you learn where to put your fingers by looking, then changing to a different instrument, even the same size, is impossible. It's the same argument for growing hands. It will never be any where near accurate enough. If a string slips a little half way through a tune, you won't be able to compensate.
"Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Just to give you a bit of background on why I asked,
I have no problem doing playing once I get the initial note correct, I know if something is in tune or not, be it any instrument, The Guide Frets are handy for me in the sence I know that I am in tune once I use these for referrence,
last week, My daughters fiddle teacher offered me a go of his fiddle, I could not do anything on it because It had no guide frets, hence I was thinking of taking mine off, likewise if I was to trade up in Fiddles, I would be redundant in a fiddle shop at the moment, as I am used to the frets, But as I said, they are used to start a tune- I barely look where I put my fingers after that, it comes naturally enough."
Eeeppp - Just from your post I see that you are depending on them. I have to change my point of view and say get off them. Really asap. There is no easy way to learn how to play the fiddle - its hard, its sqwaky, its just plain awful. But to make it less hard in the future you need to be relying on your ears - not on little white sticky things. Take the plunge and go for it!
This is probably true, but only to an extent. There are 'easy'er ways, and harder ways.
It doesnt have to be awfull and squaky. if you take it one stage at a time.
A simple way to achieve reasonable intonation is to have markers correctly positioned. Then its not a undifferentiated expanse of blackness where its a matter of luck whether you get a good sound or not, the board is divided up into sections and mapped out.
Frets Is a different matter, but if its just a visual marker then I don't see any problem with it.
BB, you say when you started you didn't realise how out of tune you were. So how does that equate to listening to your sound? when you could'nt tell anyhow!
Playing the fiddle is a matter of training the ear. If people squawk away, then there can be a tendency to not listen. After all who wants to listen to a horrible out of tune squawk? Nobody.
Greg says that they are useful up until a scale can be played. I agree. But that point is relative. relative to the ear listening. as demonstrated by BB as a beginner not realising how out of tune she was. Who is the judge?
It can be argued that intonation is not so important in this music as evinced by the playing of paddy canny, one of my favourite fiddlers. Other fiddlers still sound out of tune after 40yrs playing.
So to what extent is intonation important? It depends on who you play for. It depends on the times .
For my own playing I feel intonation is very important. I learnt by using markers. They worked for me. so I think they are a good idea.
I hope we can agree to disagree. . We all offer our opinions based on our experience .
lonannas - fact is that premierview is using these markers as a crutch - and he shouldnt be. You should only be relying on your ears as a crutch. Listening is the most important thing in the world.
Also - please dont tell me that all beginners dont sound horrid when they start - they do.....and anyone who says otherwise is either deaf or kidding themselves.
I dont know any adults who use little stips on their fiddle to learn how to play. Where exactly are you guys getting your learning tips from?
Yes there are easier and harder ways to play - easier would be learning where the notes on your fiddle are by *hearing* them - not by seeing them.
Amazingly enough - I am no longer squaky and out of tune - and I didnt use little stickers to get me there. Yes at the start I was - so was everyone I have ever heard take up the fiddle. Its all part of the ride.
IMHO: In most people (yes, a generalization) our "strongest" sense is that of vision. When relying on seeing the tapes, one is overriding the other senses. In order to play in tune, one needs to hear the notes; and feel where they are. In the instance of playing different sized instruments, one hears where the note is in tune, as well as feeling the relative spacing. (I play violin and viola, can switch back and forth between the two with ease).
I have taught beginners, using the tapes, but only briefly. The tapes tend to shift out of place and are worthless at that point. I used to tell my beginners to listen to each other, but then, they were all playing out of tune. I prefer to accompany them with a piano or a guitar, if not my fiddle. That way, they are matching pitch with a source that is in tune.
I never had them look at their fingerboards in order to play in tune. Many times, students would place their fingers on the fingerboard, remove the fiddle from position, look at their hands to see if they were right, then put the fiddle back up under their chin.... bad idea!!!! The hand feels completely different, and again, they are not relying on what should be primary sense used in music: hearing.
I think the argument is not whether to use them or not, it's about ... if you do use them, when to take them off. I think premierview has quite clearly stated that he's become dependent on them, so it's time for him to take them off.
Well.
I took them off when I got home last night, and as someone mentioned there was residue of Gunk left, I used brandy to try and clean did ok job, if anyone can recommend an alternative will give it a go.
Anyway.. It was plain sailing when I took them off..I was playing away better if anything, fiddle sounded better and looked better obviously.
PS I have moved beyong squaking on the fiddle...I realised leately that I was over rosining the bow..Now I used very little, and it makes a world of difference. For all you beginners..Too much rosin is a nightmare.
When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I have fret type Stripes on my fiddle to assist in learning ? I have been practising a few months, a great assist for anyone learning, but when should one remove them ? ie you don't want to get too dependent on them.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by premierview
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Take them off immediately.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by timmy!
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I concure, now
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by ...
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Yep.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by c.g.
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I wouldn't rush to take them off. Use your ears to try and improve your intonation but while you are starting off you have plenty of things to concentrate on so the markings will help.
When you do decide to take them off I would recommend that you do it in stages. Loose the 2nd finger one first as that is easy to place next to the 1st of third. Then the third finger next and finally the first finger.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by SamProctor
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
NOW!
Learn to listen asap
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by domhnall.
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I would reckon a "few months" is way way past "starting off".
I can see the benfits of the stripes ... for maybe an hour or so when you first pick the thing up. After that, they will only hinder using your ears.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by ...
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
But as far as metaphorical L plates go, Make sure you never ever lose 'em. Anyone who thinks they are done learning is a feckin' idiot.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by ...
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
The best way to improve your ears (helping to get it exactly right) is to check with double stops. I copied here something I wrote in an earlier therad as an example:
'To help you develop the right position of your left hand and the stretch in your hand: start to put the 4th finger down on the E string (B), then the 3rd, then 2nd, then 1st. Make sure the pitch is absolutely correct (given you 're playing in D: check the 3rd finger with open A string (octave), second with open G (octave), second with open A. To check the pitch of the 4th finger, first play a B on the A string, check it with open E, then play B-E double stop and correct your 4th until you have an octave).'
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by Henk Bos
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I was told that a good rule of thumb was to take them off when they became worn or started to fall off themselves.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by session savage
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I'm astonished that anyone would use them, even a child. You don't tape them to your vocal chords when singing.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by RichardB
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Richard, I think they do have thier uses with children.
If its helps them to learn a tune quicker then there is a smaller chance of them loosing interest. I'm only guessing but would a child be as enthusiastic about learning if they were struggling to find the notes, I think they would get frustrated.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by session savage
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I think Sam Proctors advice is good
.in the meantime try and improve your intonation,by playing the following scales d major, d mixolydian,d dorian,d aeolian,and listen carefully,to the differences between c natural and c# ,f natural, f#.
D aeolian is good,that is the flattened 3,flattened 6,flattened 7,this forces you to play b flat.
also practise playing your fourth finger ,against the open string to get a unison double stop.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by Dick Miles
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Is that good advice from someone who just presses buttons to get notes?
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by ...
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Session savage, I'd agree, I think they are a help for kids starting out, otherwise they can get so frustrated with not being able to get it right that they want to give up. However I explain to them that the markers are only a rough guide, they need to listen as well. once they've got a few tunes and are getting used to the feel of where their fingers should be, I'd encourage them to take the markers off.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by cathycook
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Fancy seeing you here Sam
(Bridie - Sydney...Oz)
I shouldnt be dishing advice though - I'm still hit and miss on the high b and dont even get me started on the high c !!
If it makes you comfortable use them...I dont really see the problem unless you start to rely on them too much. I used the double stop technique myself - but that only works if your strings are spot on in tune in the first place
But obviously listening is your best bet, it'll come eventually with practise - I was listening back to tapes I made when I first started out (a tip from one of my teachers) and was horrified at how out of tune I was.....I cant remember it being that bad, but it really was.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by bb
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
IMO. When you can put your fingers down in the right place without looking. Then you wont need them. But even then, why take them off at all? So you don't look like a learner? I was at a session last week, there was an old bloke with a cheap Chinese fiddle with tape on. He was a seriously good player. Obviously he didn't need the tape, and should have been playing on a good fiddle.
I put tape on to reach my high D,E,G,and A with good intonation. and to be honest I would still like to have some marks up there for high pressure gigs etc.
Yesof course they are rough markers, listening is essential for fine tuning.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by piobagusfidil
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
llig,
I also play guitar, fiddle, banjo, mandolin , harmonica.
Listening and learning to recognise intervals,also playing chromatic scales helps to develop your ear.
when you tune your fiddle,tune it against another note do not use a tuner,unless the tuner has an electronic note,for you to tune against,just twiddle your adjusters around until it sounds right against the note,you are now starting to train your ear and are listening .
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by Dick Miles
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Just to give you a bit of background on why I asked,
I have no problem doing playing once I get the initial note correct, I know if something is in tune or not, be it any instrument, The Guide Frets are handy for me in the sence I know that I am in tune once I use these for referrence,
last week, My daughters fiddle teacher offered me a go of his fiddle, I could not do anything on it because It had no guide frets, hence I was thinking of taking mine off, likewise if I was to trade up in Fiddles, I would be redundant in a fiddle shop at the moment, as I am used to the frets, But as I said, they are used to start a tune- I barely look where I put my fingers after that, it comes naturally enough.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by premierview
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Sounds like a classic case of depending on them but not needing them.
Get 'em off immediately.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by ...
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
They're training wheels. You should be using your ears to know if you're in tune. I used those stickers (little white dots) for six months when I was 7 and first learning. Take as long as you need but remember, they are training wheels.
If you always need a visual or tactile marker to know if you are in tune, your ears will never work properly. You must rely on your ears eventually, hopefully, or you will most likely never be content with your playing.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
...and conversley, no one you play with may be very happy with your playing either if you don't learn to use your ears.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Hang on, my mistake. Frets!... No I don't think they are a good idea. unless you plan to always use them.
If you want to play fret less fiddle, play a fret less fiddle. A visual guide is OK IMO, but frets? Effectively a different instrument. Thats Ok, of course. Play whatever instrument you want, just be clear what it is you want to play.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by piobagusfidil
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
my fiddle makes more sound when I'm playing in tune. I've been using that as a guide.
you can hear the note "open up" for lack of a better term when everything is in tune. All string instruments are like that.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by Nate Ryan
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
"Man who ride with stabiliser wheels on the back of his bicycle will never win Tour De France "
Confusedshush
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by Red Robin
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Surely most people, if not everyone learns with stabilisers? I know I did. But yes we took them off once I could cycle[play].
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by piobagusfidil
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Session Savage, I had a lot to do with child learners at one stage. They didn't have bits of tape on the finger board, and they didn't get frustrated and give up. They learned to listen. If you learn to rely on your ears from the begining, you are building a firm foundation. If you rely on your eyes you will only have to un-learn that later. Why waste time?
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by c.g.
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I didn't learn to ride with stabilisers. I didn't learn to play fiddle with markers. People tried to persuade me, but I took them both off.
As others have said, do it now.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Something to bear in mind with children learning the fiddle is that they are growing. A B on the E-string, say, was a much bigger stretch for them a year ago than it is now - so the tactile memoy is much less useful to them than it os to an adult fiddler. Things are further complicated when they progress from one size of fiddle to the next. So a visual guide might be useful to children. But, for an adult, I would think that, apart from perhaps as an introductory measure (for the first couple of weeks, say), fingerboard markers could very quickly become a hindrance to the learning process.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
all of the above...plus, the tapes leave a gunky residue that's hard to get rid of. I never let the kids in my school orchestra keep them on, once they can play a scale slowly in tune. Very often, they are in the wrong place to begin with.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by Greg the Piano Tuner
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
''I didn't learn to ride with stabilisers''
What age was that ben? I actually started to ride on a tricycle, must have been 3, but it was a long time ago.
Did you fall off much?
As far as Im, concerned the markers are a short cut, rather than a hindrance.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by piobagusfidil
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
There are so many reasons why they are a bad idea. If you learn where to put your fingers by looking, then changing to a different instrument, even the same size, is impossible. It's the same argument for growing hands. It will never be any where near accurate enough. If a string slips a little half way through a tune, you won't be able to compensate.
You absolutly have to rely only on your ears
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by ...
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Not so with the mighty concertina...
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by Chrishty
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
''If you learn where to put your fingers by looking, then changing to a different instrument, even the same size, is impossible.''
That's not true. I learnt with markers and can, and do, play on any size fiddle.
How do you compensate for the open string ?
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by piobagusfidil
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
"Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Just to give you a bit of background on why I asked,
I have no problem doing playing once I get the initial note correct, I know if something is in tune or not, be it any instrument, The Guide Frets are handy for me in the sence I know that I am in tune once I use these for referrence,
last week, My daughters fiddle teacher offered me a go of his fiddle, I could not do anything on it because It had no guide frets, hence I was thinking of taking mine off, likewise if I was to trade up in Fiddles, I would be redundant in a fiddle shop at the moment, as I am used to the frets, But as I said, they are used to start a tune- I barely look where I put my fingers after that, it comes naturally enough."
Eeeppp - Just from your post I see that you are depending on them. I have to change my point of view and say get off them. Really asap. There is no easy way to learn how to play the fiddle - its hard, its sqwaky, its just plain awful. But to make it less hard in the future you need to be relying on your ears - not on little white sticky things. Take the plunge and go for it!
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by bb
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
''There is no easy way to learn how to play''
This is probably true, but only to an extent. There are 'easy'er ways, and harder ways.
It doesnt have to be awfull and squaky. if you take it one stage at a time.
A simple way to achieve reasonable intonation is to have markers correctly positioned. Then its not a undifferentiated expanse of blackness where its a matter of luck whether you get a good sound or not, the board is divided up into sections and mapped out.
Frets Is a different matter, but if its just a visual marker then I don't see any problem with it.
BB, you say when you started you didn't realise how out of tune you were. So how does that equate to listening to your sound? when you could'nt tell anyhow!
Playing the fiddle is a matter of training the ear. If people squawk away, then there can be a tendency to not listen. After all who wants to listen to a horrible out of tune squawk? Nobody.
Greg says that they are useful up until a scale can be played. I agree. But that point is relative. relative to the ear listening. as demonstrated by BB as a beginner not realising how out of tune she was. Who is the judge?
It can be argued that intonation is not so important in this music as evinced by the playing of paddy canny, one of my favourite fiddlers. Other fiddlers still sound out of tune after 40yrs playing.
So to what extent is intonation important? It depends on who you play for. It depends on the times .
For my own playing I feel intonation is very important. I learnt by using markers. They worked for me. so I think they are a good idea.
I hope we can agree to disagree. . We all offer our opinions based on our experience .
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by piobagusfidil
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
lonannas - fact is that premierview is using these markers as a crutch - and he shouldnt be. You should only be relying on your ears as a crutch. Listening is the most important thing in the world.
Also - please dont tell me that all beginners dont sound horrid when they start - they do.....and anyone who says otherwise is either deaf or kidding themselves.
I dont know any adults who use little stips on their fiddle to learn how to play. Where exactly are you guys getting your learning tips from?
Yes there are easier and harder ways to play - easier would be learning where the notes on your fiddle are by *hearing* them - not by seeing them.
Amazingly enough - I am no longer squaky and out of tune - and I didnt use little stickers to get me there. Yes at the start I was - so was everyone I have ever heard take up the fiddle. Its all part of the ride.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by bb
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
IMHO: In most people (yes, a generalization) our "strongest" sense is that of vision. When relying on seeing the tapes, one is overriding the other senses. In order to play in tune, one needs to hear the notes; and feel where they are. In the instance of playing different sized instruments, one hears where the note is in tune, as well as feeling the relative spacing. (I play violin and viola, can switch back and forth between the two with ease).
I have taught beginners, using the tapes, but only briefly. The tapes tend to shift out of place and are worthless at that point. I used to tell my beginners to listen to each other, but then, they were all playing out of tune. I prefer to accompany them with a piano or a guitar, if not my fiddle. That way, they are matching pitch with a source that is in tune.
I never had them look at their fingerboards in order to play in tune. Many times, students would place their fingers on the fingerboard, remove the fiddle from position, look at their hands to see if they were right, then put the fiddle back up under their chin.... bad idea!!!! The hand feels completely different, and again, they are not relying on what should be primary sense used in music: hearing.
# Posted on September 30th 2008 by Wyogal
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Here's another discussion; http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/3988/comments
# Posted on October 1st 2008 by piobagusfidil
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Well ok - how about this
Did any of these people use sticky labels on their fiddle? Do they teach their students to do it?
Siobhan Peoples
Donal O'Connor
Michelle O'Brien
Liz & Yvonne
Insert whoever you like - but if they say thats the way to go...then I'm in.
# Posted on October 1st 2008 by bb
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
I think the argument is not whether to use them or not, it's about ... if you do use them, when to take them off. I think premierview has quite clearly stated that he's become dependent on them, so it's time for him to take them off.
# Posted on October 1st 2008 by ...
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
Well.
I took them off when I got home last night, and as someone mentioned there was residue of Gunk left, I used brandy to try and clean did ok job, if anyone can recommend an alternative will give it a go.
Anyway.. It was plain sailing when I took them off..I was playing away better if anything, fiddle sounded better and looked better obviously.
PS I have moved beyong squaking on the fiddle...I realised leately that I was over rosining the bow..Now I used very little, and it makes a world of difference. For all you beginners..Too much rosin is a nightmare.
# Posted on October 1st 2008 by premierview
Re: When to Take L Plates off Fiddle ?
hurrah
# Posted on October 1st 2008 by ...