One who has some claim to being a Celt (sorry Americans, one great grandparent doesn't count!) who plays any genre of music.
One who plays "celtic" music, wotteffah that might prove to be!
I think that the recent discussion on One Hundred Pipers clearly indicated that we should have nothing to do, apart from offering advice perhaps, to anyone using the word 'celtic'.
There are good arguments that the word is virtually meaningless, with no scientific worth or accuracy attached to it.
To my mind, "celtic" can refer to anyone (first or second generation), or folk music, from Ireland (the entire island), Scotland, the Isle of Man, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany.
Anybody got any alternative labels for people who play "folk music, from Ireland (the entire island), Scotland, the Isle of Man, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany".?
It certainly isn't me because I am a "faux" celt. It would be just as accurate to refer to myself as the "imitation Irishman".
If my ancestors in Ireland and Scotland hadn't been in the wrong place at the wrong time (and been forced to leave their land), I wouldn't be living in the United States now.
"Anybody got any alternative labels for people who play "folk music, from Ireland (the entire island), Scotland, the Isle of Man, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany".?"
Musician?
To be brutally honest if you're going to say that music from these countries has some commonallity that enables you to lump them together as celtic then you wil have to include England, France etc. Wasn't Nova Scotia and Newfoundland missing from that first list? How about Quebec?
Alan Morrisroe the melodeon player from Co. Mayo originally comes to my mind immediately. It's because he rarely ever went outside his extended family to play music, so no one knew him.
I accidentally stumbled upon him, not at a session or music event even, more a happenstance social thing, noticed he had an accordion case, made him play a few tunes, which he tried not to, and I was floored. Since then he has met many people, especially here in the US, and just about everyone is mind boggled he is not "out there" playing gigs all the time. One of the most dynamic players you'll ever meet, and full of the most obscure rare tunes and archaic settings.
A live CD will be out by early 2009 and a small spate of CD release parties and concerts in the US are planned, likely next March. Whether it sells or not matters little to him, he just was wanting to preserve the rarest tunes he knew, mainly from his grandmother, for future listeners and musicians.
Former US President Bill Clinton (tenor saxophonist, some Irish connections).
It does say "Celtic musician" - not necessarily current or recorded performer. And IMO, Bill Clinton has been somewhat overrated. It should be added that in terms of actual appearance on Celtic albums of a kind, the Humpback Whale wins handsomely here.
I have that Judy Collins album too, with the whales.
There is a sticker on the boot of my car, saying "I heart whales". A few years ago I was picking up a dep fiddler for a band gig, and after he had put his fiddle in the boot and we'd driven off, he turned to me and asked "Do you go to Wales very often ?"
Fortunately he was a better fiddler than that might indicate.
Perhaps he was dyslexic ?
PS Remember when there was a fashion for female folk musicians to pose naked with their back to the camera for the album sleeve ? Joni Mitchell stood way off from the camera on a rock by the sea, Judy Collins was close-up, showing every mole and wrinkle....
But the torch here has obviously passed to the Classical babes.
It is not that the vision of doyennes of the folk / trad world with little or nothing on would necessarily appal; it is the thought that their BAND might appear similarly disrobed alongside them, in the name of equal rights, that turns the blood white.
My guess is that of all celtic music Irish is the most under - rated.
So the most under - rated Irish ( - style) musician. That is a very tough question.
You're welcome, nicholas.
For about two or three years, the local sessions were held in the coffee shop of the local branch of the Barnes & Noble bookstore chain. Which meant that we had sessions with no beer or any other alcoholic beverage.
Since then, we have moved the local sessions to a place which serves alcoholic beverages so I guess I could say that the members of our session who like to drink alcoholic beverages can play properly fueled now.
Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Jim MCcann,
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Darren O'hooligan
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Define "celtic musician".
One who has some claim to being a Celt (sorry Americans, one great grandparent doesn't count!) who plays any genre of music.
One who plays "celtic" music, wotteffah that might prove to be!
Or do you mean Trad Irish musician?
Semantics, semantics!
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by yhaalhouse
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
I think that the recent discussion on One Hundred Pipers clearly indicated that we should have nothing to do, apart from offering advice perhaps, to anyone using the word 'celtic'.
There are good arguments that the word is virtually meaningless, with no scientific worth or accuracy attached to it.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Alternatively, the answer is "me".
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Surely it's Bodhran Bliss.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
To my mind, "celtic" can refer to anyone (first or second generation), or folk music, from Ireland (the entire island), Scotland, the Isle of Man, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by lazyhound
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Dog, here we go again. It's just music, who cares about the labels.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Bogman
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
What about England, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Germany...?
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by ragaman
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
...Morocco, Turkey...
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by ragaman
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Anybody got any alternative labels for people who play "folk music, from Ireland (the entire island), Scotland, the Isle of Man, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany".?
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Bogman
Any problem with Galicia?
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by protz
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
granama - I think you mean Dustin the Turkey.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Jim Mcann from the Dubliners, is one of the most over rated.
Every time he joined Ronnie Drew left.
Ha
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Hugo Chavez
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Probably me!
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Rob
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
I'm afraid I 'd have to rate before I could be underrated, so I'll go for that fella I never heard of that won all those contests
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Nate Ryan
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
"sorry Americans, one great grandparent doesn't count!"
hey now, had great granddad's crops not failed we could have been countrymen!
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Nate Ryan
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Thank you Will but I am highly rated among the cognoscenti on the scene.
Better look that word up and see what it means.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by bodhran bliss
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Now, surely Nate it was that fella you never heard of that won all those contest's older brother Jim, he was a much better musician!
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by fidkid
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
The Scottish Wild Cat.
I gather their mating sounds are quite extraordinary.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
It certainly isn't me because I am a "faux" celt. It would be just as accurate to refer to myself as the "imitation Irishman".
If my ancestors in Ireland and Scotland hadn't been in the wrong place at the wrong time (and been forced to leave their land), I wouldn't be living in the United States now.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by fauxcelt
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Most people don't advertise sessions for fear of them being over crowded. I advertise all I can and and get crickets.
So, I'm gonna say I am.
Sincerely,
an Irish-Scottish-English-Belgian-American Celt.
:-p
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by Fishmonger
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Larry Bird. Greatest Celtic player ever. Kazoo, in the locker room, every halftime.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by NEW Pure Drop® Ear Canal Oil
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Kevin Garnett looks useful, and plays the bodhran.
# Posted on September 9th 2008 by bodhran bliss
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Elivis Presley
# Posted on September 10th 2008 by Hup
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
...or Elvis - either one
# Posted on September 10th 2008 by Hup
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
"Anybody got any alternative labels for people who play "folk music, from Ireland (the entire island), Scotland, the Isle of Man, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany".?"
Musician?
To be brutally honest if you're going to say that music from these countries has some commonallity that enables you to lump them together as celtic then you wil have to include England, France etc. Wasn't Nova Scotia and Newfoundland missing from that first list? How about Quebec?
# Posted on September 10th 2008 by Paul_draper
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
diddley/diddly
# Posted on September 10th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
whiskey/whisky
# Posted on September 10th 2008 by Steve Shaw
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Alan Morrisroe the melodeon player from Co. Mayo originally comes to my mind immediately. It's because he rarely ever went outside his extended family to play music, so no one knew him.
I accidentally stumbled upon him, not at a session or music event even, more a happenstance social thing, noticed he had an accordion case, made him play a few tunes, which he tried not to, and I was floored. Since then he has met many people, especially here in the US, and just about everyone is mind boggled he is not "out there" playing gigs all the time. One of the most dynamic players you'll ever meet, and full of the most obscure rare tunes and archaic settings.
A live CD will be out by early 2009 and a small spate of CD release parties and concerts in the US are planned, likely next March. Whether it sells or not matters little to him, he just was wanting to preserve the rarest tunes he knew, mainly from his grandmother, for future listeners and musicians.
# Posted on September 10th 2008 by irisnevins
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Bo Diddley
# Posted on September 10th 2008 by boxedup
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Nancy Whisky
# Posted on September 10th 2008 by Steve Shaw
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
And who's the most over rated?
# Posted on September 11th 2008 by longlegs
Re: Who is the most over rated celtic musician?
The following are serious competitors:
The Humpback Whale
Former US President Bill Clinton (tenor saxophonist, some Irish connections).
It does say "Celtic musician" - not necessarily current or recorded performer. And IMO, Bill Clinton has been somewhat overrated. It should be added that in terms of actual appearance on Celtic albums of a kind, the Humpback Whale wins handsomely here.
# Posted on September 11th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Or rather, is more amply exposed to the criticism of being overrated...
# Posted on September 11th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
I don't know who the most over-rated Celtic musician is but I know it certainly isn't me.
# Posted on September 11th 2008 by fauxcelt
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
I have that Judy Collins album too, with the whales.
There is a sticker on the boot of my car, saying "I heart whales". A few years ago I was picking up a dep fiddler for a band gig, and after he had put his fiddle in the boot and we'd driven off, he turned to me and asked "Do you go to Wales very often ?"
Fortunately he was a better fiddler than that might indicate.
Perhaps he was dyslexic ?
PS Remember when there was a fashion for female folk musicians to pose naked with their back to the camera for the album sleeve ? Joni Mitchell stood way off from the camera on a rock by the sea, Judy Collins was close-up, showing every mole and wrinkle....
# Posted on September 12th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Female folk musicians with nothing on
I remember.
But the torch here has obviously passed to the Classical babes.
It is not that the vision of doyennes of the folk / trad world with little or nothing on would necessarily appal; it is the thought that their BAND might appear similarly disrobed alongside them, in the name of equal rights, that turns the blood white.
# Posted on September 12th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
Nicholas, if all of the members of the band were left-handed, would that be equal lefts instead of rights?
# Posted on September 13th 2008 by fauxcelt
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
My guess is that of all celtic music Irish is the most under - rated.
So the most under - rated Irish ( - style) musician. That is a very tough question.
# Posted on September 13th 2008 by Random_notes
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
The dog in the corner of The Pub With No Beer. That really *is* the bottom of the pile.
btw - Ha Ha, fauxcelt!
# Posted on September 13th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Who is the most under rated celtic musician?
You're welcome, nicholas.
For about two or three years, the local sessions were held in the coffee shop of the local branch of the Barnes & Noble bookstore chain. Which meant that we had sessions with no beer or any other alcoholic beverage.
Since then, we have moved the local sessions to a place which serves alcoholic beverages so I guess I could say that the members of our session who like to drink alcoholic beverages can play properly fueled now.
# Posted on September 14th 2008 by fauxcelt