Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
The problem is that the tune does not live on paper it lives in the air; in our ears, hearts and minds. If I pulled out the "New Real Book" and gave you a copy of the head to a standard Jazz tune you would not be holding anthing like a jazz tune and with out hearing the reality of that tune or at least the realities of Jazz, you would probably never be able to play it. Listening is where we get our insight into the tune., either by listening to ourselves playing it or others, both are helpful.
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
Hello Pete. Check out my last post on the vincent Broderick thread. But actually I am trying to turn the tables. Asking the same question from the opposite perspective. I did say this too will pass..
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
Love the hornpipe. But I knew from personal experience--I was once an innocent, myself--about the dots for Paddy Ryan's Dream. (Learned the dots, requested it at a session, and instantly realized my mistake.) Just wanted to point out where that tune started, in the clip.
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
"if we all learnt off sheet music we'd all play the same"
Well, now, I don't know that that's true at all. I have about half a dozen recordings of the Bach cello suites, every one of them learned and played from sheet music. If what you say were true, I'd only need one, right? Or not even one, I could just read the sheet music for myself.
Anyone who knows how to read can read a passage of text in any number of ways, limited only by their imagination, I think the same is true of sheet music.
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
You don't need a recording if a) you've heard it played live or
b) you've been playing tunes long enough to know how it should go or
c) it's never been recorded
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
It might be a good idea to hear a tune played by more than one person before learning it.
I was at a session on Friday where "Merrily Kiss the Quaker", a tune I have known very well for at least thirty years, was played twice. The second time of playing was by a late-comer playing flute in a heavily ornamented style and I didn't recognise the tune till the second time through the first part.
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
There are, I think (at least) five things that you can do which will enhance your ability as a musician:
1) Play at sessions.
2) Play in a band.
3) Study sheet music.
4) Listen to recordings.
4) Practise a lot.
All are important, though some folks naturally would give more weight to some points than others. If anyone thinks that any of these points should be ruled out as being totally irrelevant, I would say that they are making a mistake
"If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
"If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
To turn a phrase from the days of youth & innocence.
This too will not last.
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
The problem is that the tune does not live on paper it lives in the air; in our ears, hearts and minds. If I pulled out the "New Real Book" and gave you a copy of the head to a standard Jazz tune you would not be holding anthing like a jazz tune and with out hearing the reality of that tune or at least the realities of Jazz, you would probably never be able to play it. Listening is where we get our insight into the tune., either by listening to ourselves playing it or others, both are helpful.
anyway that is my two Meticais worth
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by anthonybeers
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
music lives?
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by Ben Steen
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So you just figured we hadn't argued this one enough, Random_notes?
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by Reverend
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Hello Pete. Check out my last post on the vincent Broderick thread. But actually I am trying to turn the tables. Asking the same question from the opposite perspective. I did say this too will pass..
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by Ben Steen
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Ooh this thread is SO CHEEKY!!!!
And I miss the sesh.
But at the moment I'm busy falling in love.
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by mehitabel23
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
(Yawn.) But for those of you who have just now tuned in to our program:
Read the sheet music posted here for Paddy Ryan's Dream:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/79
And listen to the tune that starts at 1:41 in this video clip:
http://comhaltas.ie/music/detail/comhaltaslive_244_1_clare_fiddle_player_tara_breen/
Q.E.D.
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by John Galt
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Bless your youth & innocence you dear child.
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by Ben Steen
. . ..
both of you
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by Ben Steen
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Maybe mehitabel23 needs some between the sheets music!
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by strayaway
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thanks for the Tara Breen clip. What's wrong? ~ don't you like the hormpipe at the start.
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by Ben Steen
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Well - it truely would be disturbing if I really was mehitabel23...falling in love? I'm married - Im sure my husband would be none pleased about it.
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by bb
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
Love the hornpipe. But I knew from personal experience--I was once an innocent, myself--about the dots for Paddy Ryan's Dream. (Learned the dots, requested it at a session, and instantly realized my mistake.) Just wanted to point out where that tune started, in the clip.
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by John Galt
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I will have to listen again to ' Paddy Ryan's Dream.' Perhaps I can learn it as well.
from the recording
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by Ben Steen
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If God does not exist, than sheet music is just fine.
There. I said it.
# Posted on July 27th 2008 by feardearg
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TTherefore, until someone proves the existence of god, we can assume this argument is over? Thank God! Or somebody....
# Posted on July 28th 2008 by Jon Kiparsky
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I had to argue this with someone the other day. I mentioned the nyah. There was blasphemy. He said there was no such thing. So I nearly killed him.
Another point to add is that if we all learnt off sheet music we'd all play the same. Who wants to play a tune the same as everyone else?
# Posted on July 28th 2008 by An Kammneves
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"if we all learnt off sheet music we'd all play the same"
Well, now, I don't know that that's true at all. I have about half a dozen recordings of the Bach cello suites, every one of them learned and played from sheet music. If what you say were true, I'd only need one, right? Or not even one, I could just read the sheet music for myself.
Anyone who knows how to read can read a passage of text in any number of ways, limited only by their imagination, I think the same is true of sheet music.
# Posted on July 28th 2008 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
You don't need a recording if a) you've heard it played live or
b) you've been playing tunes long enough to know how it should go or
c) it's never been recorded
# Posted on July 28th 2008 by Hup
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"if a) you've heard it played live "
What, you hear it one time and you've got it?
Who are you, Mozart????
# Posted on July 28th 2008 by John Galt
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Yeah - you can get the general idea - not every note, of course - but
the feel of it
# Posted on July 28th 2008 by Hup
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
It might be a good idea to hear a tune played by more than one person before learning it.
I was at a session on Friday where "Merrily Kiss the Quaker", a tune I have known very well for at least thirty years, was played twice. The second time of playing was by a late-comer playing flute in a heavily ornamented style and I didn't recognise the tune till the second time through the first part.
# Posted on July 28th 2008 by LowProfile
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It think it is what's called 'paper training'
# Posted on July 28th 2008 by zippydw
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If you have the recipe why do you need to eat the dish?
Maybe I should eat the sheet music.
No; I am going to devour the dish and savour the
tune as played aurally and for my ear too.
# Posted on July 29th 2008 by dogmageek
Re: "If you have the sheet music why do you need a recording?"
There are, I think (at least) five things that you can do which will enhance your ability as a musician:
1) Play at sessions.
2) Play in a band.
3) Study sheet music.
4) Listen to recordings.
4) Practise a lot.
All are important, though some folks naturally would give more weight to some points than others. If anyone thinks that any of these points should be ruled out as being totally irrelevant, I would say that they are making a mistake
# Posted on July 29th 2008 by Mix O'Lydian
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I make lots of mistakes. Or I thought I
did but I was wrong.
A good sheet music s just for comparison
to the tune played, The ones I write down
are just like the tune played. Now my
computer knows.
# Posted on July 31st 2008 by dogmageek