Aaaand the most pointless, ignorant remark of the day goes to...
Mind you, it's a pretty easy assumption to make that a fiddler with a name like Duncan playing for Scottish dancers at some fricken Highland games is actually a frustrated Neo-Coleman Kevin Burke wannabe, i mean, isn't everyone?
Its sounds like Jennie,s Chickens- but its not - maybe where jenny org. came from - I ve heard it before its scots - I have an abc for it , But i will see a man Leslie craig who know it - and the name if you can wait a Day or so..
jim
Jen's Chicks has been played in many ways and by different group including Rock Bands. Remember 'East of Eden - Jig a Jig' back in the late sixties/early seventies. Chris Duncan sounds to me like a lovely sweet fiddle player, perhaps he was getting his own back on Coleman for the way he played 'Woodland Flowers' on one of his old 78s.
As the notes for this Youtube clip correctly state, the tunes are from the CD "Sandy Ower the Sea" by Chris Duncan (fiddle) and Muriel Johnstone (piano).
Track 11, played here is listed on the CD cover as "Sleepy Maggie", and according to the liner notes contains three tunes: Sleepy Maggie, Duns Dings A', and Tail Toddle.
And then again Read and Listen to All This=
jim,,,
X:661
T:Sleepy Maggie
R:Reel
C:anon.
B:Francis O'Neill: "The Dance Music of Ireland" (1907) no. 661
O:Ireland
F:http://www.musicaviva.com/abc/tunes/ireland/oneill-1001/oneill-1001-066
Z: Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com
1.abc
m: Tn2 = (3n/o/n/ m/n/
M: C|
L: 1/8
K: D
f2(de) fBde|Tf2(df) eAce|({g}f2)(de) fBde|fgaf eAce|f2(de) fBde|Tf2(df) e
Ace|
({g}f2)(de) fBde|fgaf eAce||fBdB fBde|fBdB eAce|fBdB eBde|f^gaf eAce|fBdB
fBde|
fBdB eAce|dcBc defg|abaf eAce||fBbB fBde|fBbB aAce|fBbB aB^gB|fB^gB aAce:
X:662
T:Drowsy Maggie
R:Reel
C:anon.
N: The title is spelled "Drowsey Maggie" on the music page,
N: but "Drowsy Maggie" in the index to the book.
B:Francis O'Neill: "The Dance Music of Ireland" (1907) no. 662
O:Ireland
F:http://www.musicaviva.com/abc/tunes/ireland/oneill-1001/oneill-1001-066
Z: Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com
2.abc
m: Tn = (3n/o/n/
M: C|
L: 1/8
K: Em
E2(BE dEBE)|E2(BE AFDF)|E2(BE dEBE)|(TBAB)^c dAFD|E2(BE dEBE)|E2(BE AFDF)
|E2(BE dEBE)|(TBAB)^c dAFA||
K: D
d2(fd) c2(ec)|defg afge|d2(fd) c2(ec)|(TBAB)c dAFA|d2(fd) c2(ec)|defg afg
e|afge fdec|(TBAB)c dAFD|]
gooseintheneetles. Incorrect on three counts. It's not Jenny's Chickens it's Sleepy Maggie. It is not played wrong - you just don't know the tune. And why should someone playing 3 Scottish tunes for Highland dancers listen to Michael Coleman 'to see how its done' ?
Maybe you should listen to a wider variety of trad if you wish to comment on other forms of trad than Irish pure drop.
Yes I do know Jenny's Chickens. This tune is Sleepy Maggie. And your opinion of Michael Coleman is just that an opinion. He was NOT the finest exponent of Scottish fiddle whether you like it or not. He was an Irish fiddler even though he admitted being influenced by James Scott Skinner.
There are also interesting clips on the same site of James Morrison playing Scottish tunes which shows that these players were more experimental than some pure droppers would like to think.
No doubting Coleman was a fine fiddler, but I get tired of Coleman worship. There are many, many other fiddlers I'd rather listen to, even just within the realm of Irish trad. I prefer the playing of Oisin MacDiamarda, Martin Rochford, Cathal Hayden, Gerry O'Connor, Tommy and Siobhan Peoples, Shane McAleer, and Tony Linnane.
Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Can anyone name the first tune in this set played by the Austrialian fiddler Chris Ducan? It's on youtube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBdwulxaAM4&feature=email
Thanks, John.
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by gaaslaj
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
It,s Jennie,s Chickens
Played wrong,and badly.
The alleged player should listen to Michael Coleman and
learn.
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by gooseinthenettles
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
LOL at "badly." Would Scottish dancers know what to do to Coleman? Would Coleman have known what to play for Scottish dancers?
Sounds like Chris Duncan did just fine.
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Yes, he certainly does not claim to be an "Irish" fiddler
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by Hup
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Quite so, Hup - he makes it very clear he's a Scottish fiddler.
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by Tish
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Aaaand the most pointless, ignorant remark of the day goes to...
Mind you, it's a pretty easy assumption to make that a fiddler with a name like Duncan playing for Scottish dancers at some fricken Highland games is actually a frustrated Neo-Coleman Kevin Burke wannabe, i mean, isn't everyone?
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by SirNose
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Well done Sirnose - couldn't have put it better - or as well for that matter
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by Donough
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Its sounds like Jennie,s Chickens- but its not - maybe where jenny org. came from - I ve heard it before its scots - I have an abc for it , But i will see a man Leslie craig who know it - and the name if you can wait a Day or so..
jim
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by FIDDLE4
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Not unlike this - which is maybe what he is trying to do ??
X:809
T:Reel of Tulloch
R:Reel
B:The Athole Collection
M:C|
L:1/8
K:A
a/f/|e2 a>c e>cA>a|e2 A>c d>B=G>f|e2 A>c e>Ac>A|B>E c/d/e d>B=G>f|
e2 e>c ecAa|e2 e>c dB=Gf|e2 e>a e>Ac>A|Bece d>B=G>B|]
c>A c/d/e cAAB|c>A c/d/e dB=GB|cA c/d/e cAcA|BEBe dB=GB|
cA c/d/e cAAB|cA c/d/e dB=GB|cA c/d/e c2 c>e|Bece d>B=G>f|]
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by FIDDLE4
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Jen's Chicks has been played in many ways and by different group including Rock Bands. Remember 'East of Eden - Jig a Jig' back in the late sixties/early seventies. Chris Duncan sounds to me like a lovely sweet fiddle player, perhaps he was getting his own back on Coleman for the way he played 'Woodland Flowers' on one of his old 78s.
East of Eden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiKrCBQn6BU
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by Free Reed
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
As the notes for this Youtube clip correctly state, the tunes are from the CD "Sandy Ower the Sea" by Chris Duncan (fiddle) and Muriel Johnstone (piano).
Track 11, played here is listed on the CD cover as "Sleepy Maggie", and according to the liner notes contains three tunes: Sleepy Maggie, Duns Dings A', and Tail Toddle.
See the tunes database:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/787
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4237
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1484
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by GraemeO
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
GraemeO
You are right - I was told this before "Sleepy Maggie",
Is said to be the scots version of Drowsey Maggie ..
jim,,,
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by FIDDLE4
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
And then again Read and Listen to All This=
jim,,,
X:661
T:Sleepy Maggie
R:Reel
C:anon.
B:Francis O'Neill: "The Dance Music of Ireland" (1907) no. 661
O:Ireland
F:http://www.musicaviva.com/abc/tunes/ireland/oneill-1001/oneill-1001-066
Z: Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com
1.abc
m: Tn2 = (3n/o/n/ m/n/
M: C|
L: 1/8
K: D
f2(de) fBde|Tf2(df) eAce|({g}f2)(de) fBde|fgaf eAce|f2(de) fBde|Tf2(df) e
Ace|
({g}f2)(de) fBde|fgaf eAce||fBdB fBde|fBdB eAce|fBdB eBde|f^gaf eAce|fBdB
fBde|
fBdB eAce|dcBc defg|abaf eAce||fBbB fBde|fBbB aAce|fBbB aB^gB|fB^gB aAce:
X:662
T:Drowsy Maggie
R:Reel
C:anon.
N: The title is spelled "Drowsey Maggie" on the music page,
N: but "Drowsy Maggie" in the index to the book.
B:Francis O'Neill: "The Dance Music of Ireland" (1907) no. 662
O:Ireland
F:http://www.musicaviva.com/abc/tunes/ireland/oneill-1001/oneill-1001-066
Z: Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com
2.abc
m: Tn = (3n/o/n/
M: C|
L: 1/8
K: Em
E2(BE dEBE)|E2(BE AFDF)|E2(BE dEBE)|(TBAB)^c dAFD|E2(BE dEBE)|E2(BE AFDF)
|E2(BE dEBE)|(TBAB)^c dAFA||
K: D
d2(fd) c2(ec)|defg afge|d2(fd) c2(ec)|(TBAB)c dAFA|d2(fd) c2(ec)|defg afg
e|afge fdec|(TBAB)c dAFD|]
# Posted on July 18th 2008 by FIDDLE4
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
gooseintheneetles. Incorrect on three counts. It's not Jenny's Chickens it's Sleepy Maggie. It is not played wrong - you just don't know the tune. And why should someone playing 3 Scottish tunes for Highland dancers listen to Michael Coleman 'to see how its done' ?
Maybe you should listen to a wider variety of trad if you wish to comment on other forms of trad than Irish pure drop.
# Posted on July 19th 2008 by bogman
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
bogman, obviously you don,t know Jennie,s Chickens.
The very simple 123 steps the dancers were doing would
fit with any reel, Irish or Scotish.
Michael Coleman was, and still is,the finest exponent of
traditional fiddle playing
# Posted on July 20th 2008 by gooseinthenettles
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Yes I do know Jenny's Chickens. This tune is Sleepy Maggie. And your opinion of Michael Coleman is just that an opinion. He was NOT the finest exponent of Scottish fiddle whether you like it or not. He was an Irish fiddler even though he admitted being influenced by James Scott Skinner.
# Posted on July 20th 2008 by bogman
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
He was of course a very important figure in trad.
Couple of old 78 recordings of Coleman here........ http://www.raretunes.org/performers/michael-coleman
There are also interesting clips on the same site of James Morrison playing Scottish tunes which shows that these players were more experimental than some pure droppers would like to think.
# Posted on July 20th 2008 by bogman
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
No doubting Coleman was a fine fiddler, but I get tired of Coleman worship. There are many, many other fiddlers I'd rather listen to, even just within the realm of Irish trad. I prefer the playing of Oisin MacDiamarda, Martin Rochford, Cathal Hayden, Gerry O'Connor, Tommy and Siobhan Peoples, Shane McAleer, and Tony Linnane.
# Posted on July 20th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
Oh, and Bobby Casey--give me Bobby Casey any day, all day.
It'd be silly comparing Casey and Coleman--apples and oranges. But I know which one I'd rather listen to.
# Posted on July 20th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Mystery tune played by Chris Duncan?
"Michael Coleman was, and still is,the finest exponent of
traditional fiddle playing" - In *your* opinion.
So ridiculous, I prefer any number of fiddle players above coleman, but then again - thats just my opinion....snore
# Posted on July 20th 2008 by bb