I would suggest you play, what you like, on whatever instrument you like and not worry about the opinions of people on here. if you can make it sound good then why not..
I'd agree with that, with the caveat that to make it sound good, you have to have the correct articulations available.
I think the oboe could work. It's widely accepted that the instrument evolved from a bag pipe chanter. And if you arte good enough to do the circular breathing thing, then it could be interesting.
YES. Anyway, it's a double-reed instrument, like the pipes, so it's sound shouldn't be too alien to ITM. It would probably be easier (and way cooler) if you got a Baroque oboe though, with finger holes instead of keys.
Rock on, I say.
I brought this topic up last year under "Irish Oboe". The oboe has the same fingering, I believe, as the Boehm flute, i.e. 4 fingers down=Fnatural, not Fsharp, the critical difference between simple system flutes and silver flutes that makes simple system flutes so much more appropriate for ITM. Baroque oboe may be different. Look up the discussion from last year; I think we covered lots of these issues.
Why so many posts about f-ing recorers, ukes, oboes and what have you? Does Irish music need any more instruments? Why not learn to play an instrument that is (now) accepted in traditional circles and be happy with that?
Indeed, why not. But equally, why not have an interest in instruments not generally associated with Irish music? There's no harm in it. Showing an interest in recorders, oboes etc doesn't mean you have made the first step on the road to evil Classical music, and are being slowly torn from your good Irish roots, never to return.
We are all sticking to our fiddles, flutes, pipes etc. We also have some curiosity about other instruments. And we are talking about it on an internet forum. That OK?
My point is this: there is so much nonsense being said about the music here and on C&F, that talking about bringing instruments in that are not `native` to the tradition is not doing anyone any good.
Yeah - I wouldnt want to hear one in my session. I love love love modern funky stuff - I love the trumpet on Rubai and Deisal and all that stuff, but sitting down to have tunes? Its okay done well and on recordings and at a concert, but really its all just down to personal taste isnt it.
Dont be an idiot dow - you play concertina (allbeit english) that sounds almost the same as an anglo - especially the way you play, and a mandola - that sounds almost the same as a zouk - especially the way you play it. It isnt like you are coming in a playing a tea chest with a string on it and calling it a bass....
"Why so many posts about f-ing recorers, ukes, oboes and what have you? Does Irish music need any more instruments? Why not learn to play an instrument that is (now) accepted in traditional circles and be happy with that?"
Might surprise you, but some people aren’t born knowing what is accepted in traditional circles and what isn’t, and they might genuinely like to understand why some instruments aren’t considered acceptable.
If you have posts here about f-ing recorders, f-ing ukeleles, f-ing oboes or any other f-ing instrument you care to name, folks might find out here rather than by taking their f-ing instrument to a session near you. If someone asks, “why not [insert f-ing instrument here] at sessions?” and they get a reasonable answer, they might just think, “Oh, OK, that makes sense” and leave it at that. If all they get is a “because mummy said so” level of explanation, they are more likely to think, “f-king trad police”, ignore you, and take their f-ing recorder or f-ing oboe somewhere it isn’t welcome.
No, not really. I just made the the comment that the discussion was moot. There´s no need for an oboe in Irish music. The F-ing was due the huge number of posts here about what I said before. A bit of effing does not constitute getting worked up.
the fact is - this site has been going so long that people have run out of things to say. Next it'll be. "Do you think its ok if I bring my electric guitar to sessions and rock out on metalica riffs"
Its the way it is....
I am hardly worked up, Bjorn, not a hair out of place here actually. If it's a pointless discussion for you, then don't bother with it. If it's a question you don't need answered then leave the thread to those who are interested in the answer. Better the question gets asked here rather than from the adjacent stool in the pub.
I'm with Bjorn on this. This is a pointless waste of bandwidth.
And ya know what Tish I'm perfectly all right telling some wet behind the ears orchestra nerd to take his oboe and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
The pipes are THE double reed for irish music. If you want to play irish music on a double reed, just get a practice set and get ON WITH IT. Develop some humility. Work at it. Quit whining. Shut up and practice!
What the heck is wrong with people that they think they can come in from OUTSIDE the tradition or having learned some of it in a very superficial way, begin experimenting with genre splicing or introducing non- traditional instruments and NOT be objects of derision?
One word: hubris.
Musical hubris, the belief that you are as good as or better than any old duffer who's been playing for 50 years. The belief that no matter what you do, no matter how laughable, silly, or pretentious it seems to others, you're right in doing whatever it is you are doing, with nary a critical thought about your efforts.
That was a funny rant Seosamh, I enjoyed that - though you kind of backtracked at the end a bit there.
I would reckon that the only way it could really work well would be from someone who was already pretty good on either the pipes or the flute ... or both. But then ... if you really are already pretty good on the pipes and the flute, what more would you want anyway?
Much better response time from the Trad Police on this one. You guys really slacked off on the recorder thread though, took you all of two days to bust a gasket and get mad. Tsk tsk.
Also, we all need to get over the "we've talking about this 5 million times now on this website" because there are new people constantly coming to the music and the site. If you don't repeat yourself over and over again, no new people are going to learn all this stuff.
It's hard to be a teacher, I know, but whether you like it or not, we're all sort of in this position, tradition handed to us, we hand it down, and repeating yourself ten million times is part and parcel of the process.
You're right, I haven't seen a good bodhran bashing thread in a long time. Something needs to be done about that.
Relax, officers. One person playing tunes on an oboe isn't going to destroy the tradition. Nothing was said about bringing it to sessions or recording it. The question was whether or not it would sound OK on oboe, and the answer is probably so if you can do it right.
Anyone who is serious about this music and attends sessions regularly is going to learn to play a traditional instrument. That isn't going to change. You guys are acting like someone is proposing to make the oboe a part of the tradition. Calm the hell down.
A few days ago, I heard some Bach played on what must have been a period-appropriate oboe. I like the modern oboe quite a lot, but this one had a bit more grit to its richness and a slight smudge in some of the note transitions that really grabbed me. I don’t know if such a person exists, but I’d love to hear an oboist who truly understands the Irish tradition play some tunes on that instrument.
How traditional is the bouzouki unless you're Greek? (Though it originates in Turkish tradition). So why not play trad tunes on any instrument, providing you don't blast everybody else out!
Oboe
Oboe
Hi
Do you think It's good TO PLAY Irish Music with OBOE ?
What do you think about this?
Thank you
Màrtin
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by CORK
Re: Oboe
I would suggest you play, what you like, on whatever instrument you like and not worry about the opinions of people on here. if you can make it sound good then why not..
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by S.Doherty
Re: Oboe
I'd agree with that, with the caveat that to make it sound good, you have to have the correct articulations available.
I think the oboe could work. It's widely accepted that the instrument evolved from a bag pipe chanter. And if you arte good enough to do the circular breathing thing, then it could be interesting.
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Oboe
YES. Anyway, it's a double-reed instrument, like the pipes, so it's sound shouldn't be too alien to ITM. It would probably be easier (and way cooler) if you got a Baroque oboe though, with finger holes instead of keys.
Rock on, I say.
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Joe CSS
Re: Oboe
Are there simple system oboes similar to flutes? What key are they in?
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Oboe
Concert pitch
I know that it is similar to flute, fingerings that is. My sis played flute and switched to oboe in high school.
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Oboe
I brought this topic up last year under "Irish Oboe". The oboe has the same fingering, I believe, as the Boehm flute, i.e. 4 fingers down=Fnatural, not Fsharp, the critical difference between simple system flutes and silver flutes that makes simple system flutes so much more appropriate for ITM. Baroque oboe may be different. Look up the discussion from last year; I think we covered lots of these issues.
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by InSearchofCraic
Re: Oboe
I can't find it, post a link
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Oboe
Fond of double reeds!!!
Discussion: ITM on an Oboe
# Posted on September 26th 2004 by Dave Cunningham
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/4577
Discussion: Irish Oboe?
# Posted on August 11th 2007 by InSearchofCraic
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/14737
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Oboe
You need o boe to play yer fiddle.
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by de Selby
Re: Oboe
I always thought the pipes sounded a bit like an oboe, and know I know why, double reeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_reed
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Oboe
You need a hobo to play the fiddle?
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Oboe
I resemble that remark.
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Oboe
Play whatever you want on your oboe.
I'm not sure that I'd like to be in a session with one though...aren't they rather loud for a small, confined space? Can you mute it like a trumpet?
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Marklar
Re: Oboe
You could say the same about the pipes
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by lazyhound
Re: Oboe
Especially the rocket ships of the modern age...
The old sets are pretty damned sweet... You could always shove a sock up the bell... Personally, I'd prefer an English Horn...
# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Oboe
Why so many posts about f-ing recorers, ukes, oboes and what have you? Does Irish music need any more instruments? Why not learn to play an instrument that is (now) accepted in traditional circles and be happy with that?
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Björn
Re: Oboe
Indeed, why not. But equally, why not have an interest in instruments not generally associated with Irish music? There's no harm in it. Showing an interest in recorders, oboes etc doesn't mean you have made the first step on the road to evil Classical music, and are being slowly torn from your good Irish roots, never to return.
We are all sticking to our fiddles, flutes, pipes etc. We also have some curiosity about other instruments. And we are talking about it on an internet forum. That OK?
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Joe CSS
Re: Oboe
My point is this: there is so much nonsense being said about the music here and on C&F, that talking about bringing instruments in that are not `native` to the tradition is not doing anyone any good.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Björn
Re: Oboe
Yeah - I wouldnt want to hear one in my session. I love love love modern funky stuff - I love the trumpet on Rubai and Deisal and all that stuff, but sitting down to have tunes? Its okay done well and on recordings and at a concert, but really its all just down to personal taste isnt it.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by bb
Re: Oboe
Both the instruments I play are not native to the tradition. To people who have a problem with that, I generally say "eff off".
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Dow
Re: Oboe
Dont be an idiot dow - you play concertina (allbeit english) that sounds almost the same as an anglo - especially the way you play, and a mandola - that sounds almost the same as a zouk - especially the way you play it. It isnt like you are coming in a playing a tea chest with a string on it and calling it a bass....
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by bb
Re: Oboe
Flook do it well, but let's leave it at that.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Björn
Re: Oboe
"Why so many posts about f-ing recorers, ukes, oboes and what have you? Does Irish music need any more instruments? Why not learn to play an instrument that is (now) accepted in traditional circles and be happy with that?"
Might surprise you, but some people aren’t born knowing what is accepted in traditional circles and what isn’t, and they might genuinely like to understand why some instruments aren’t considered acceptable.
If you have posts here about f-ing recorders, f-ing ukeleles, f-ing oboes or any other f-ing instrument you care to name, folks might find out here rather than by taking their f-ing instrument to a session near you. If someone asks, “why not [insert f-ing instrument here] at sessions?” and they get a reasonable answer, they might just think, “Oh, OK, that makes sense” and leave it at that. If all they get is a “because mummy said so” level of explanation, they are more likely to think, “f-king trad police”, ignore you, and take their f-ing recorder or f-ing oboe somewhere it isn’t welcome.
Grown-ups are allowed to ask questions.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Tish
Re: Oboe
And I didn't see the original poster saying he wanted to take his oboe to a session.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Tish
Re: Oboe
Tish -you are on fire!
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by bb
Re: Oboe
*snort*
(Blame it on a bad day in the office.)
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Tish
Re: Oboe
Glad to see someone got all worked up over nothing. Go Tish go! Pointless discussions FTW!!!
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Björn
Re: Oboe
In fairness Bjorn- it was you who got worked up first!
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by bb
Re: Oboe
What the F*ck does FTW mean. I swear - I hate to say it, but I cant keep up with all this young people internet talk.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by bb
Re: Oboe
No, not really. I just made the the comment that the discussion was moot. There´s no need for an oboe in Irish music. The F-ing was due the huge number of posts here about what I said before. A bit of effing does not constitute getting worked up.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Björn
Re: Oboe
Meh
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by bb
Re: Oboe
FTW = for the win
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Björn
Re: Oboe
the fact is - this site has been going so long that people have run out of things to say. Next it'll be. "Do you think its ok if I bring my electric guitar to sessions and rock out on metalica riffs"
Its the way it is....
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by bb
Re: Oboe
So true.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Björn
Re: Oboe
I am hardly worked up, Bjorn, not a hair out of place here actually. If it's a pointless discussion for you, then don't bother with it. If it's a question you don't need answered then leave the thread to those who are interested in the answer. Better the question gets asked here rather than from the adjacent stool in the pub.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Tish
Re: Oboe
Well put Tish. I shall say no more.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Björn
Re: Oboe
I'm with Bjorn on this. This is a pointless waste of bandwidth.
And ya know what Tish I'm perfectly all right telling some wet behind the ears orchestra nerd to take his oboe and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
The pipes are THE double reed for irish music. If you want to play irish music on a double reed, just get a practice set and get ON WITH IT. Develop some humility. Work at it. Quit whining. Shut up and practice!
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Seosamh Ui Sinan
Re: Oboe
What the heck is wrong with people that they think they can come in from OUTSIDE the tradition or having learned some of it in a very superficial way, begin experimenting with genre splicing or introducing non- traditional instruments and NOT be objects of derision?
One word: hubris.
Musical hubris, the belief that you are as good as or better than any old duffer who's been playing for 50 years. The belief that no matter what you do, no matter how laughable, silly, or pretentious it seems to others, you're right in doing whatever it is you are doing, with nary a critical thought about your efforts.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Seosamh Ui Sinan
Re: Oboe
If you're gonna do it, be very careful, be very critical of what you're doing, and learn to listen to others' criticisms.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Seosamh Ui Sinan
Re: Oboe
That was a funny rant Seosamh, I enjoyed that - though you kind of backtracked at the end a bit there.
I would reckon that the only way it could really work well would be from someone who was already pretty good on either the pipes or the flute ... or both. But then ... if you really are already pretty good on the pipes and the flute, what more would you want anyway?
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Oboe
Much better response time from the Trad Police on this one. You guys really slacked off on the recorder thread though, took you all of two days to bust a gasket and get mad. Tsk tsk.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Oboe
Also, we all need to get over the "we've talking about this 5 million times now on this website" because there are new people constantly coming to the music and the site. If you don't repeat yourself over and over again, no new people are going to learn all this stuff.
It's hard to be a teacher, I know, but whether you like it or not, we're all sort of in this position, tradition handed to us, we hand it down, and repeating yourself ten million times is part and parcel of the process.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Oboe
Sorry: "...we've TALKED about this..."
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Oboe
Yeah, but have you noticed the lack of bodhran threads recently? Repeating yourself works
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Oboe
HA! See? Case in point! Lather, rinse, repeat!
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Oboe
You're right, I haven't seen a good bodhran bashing thread in a long time. Something needs to be done about that.
Relax, officers. One person playing tunes on an oboe isn't going to destroy the tradition. Nothing was said about bringing it to sessions or recording it. The question was whether or not it would sound OK on oboe, and the answer is probably so if you can do it right.
Anyone who is serious about this music and attends sessions regularly is going to learn to play a traditional instrument. That isn't going to change. You guys are acting like someone is proposing to make the oboe a part of the tradition. Calm the hell down.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Marklar
Re: Oboe
A few days ago, I heard some Bach played on what must have been a period-appropriate oboe. I like the modern oboe quite a lot, but this one had a bit more grit to its richness and a slight smudge in some of the note transitions that really grabbed me. I don’t know if such a person exists, but I’d love to hear an oboist who truly understands the Irish tradition play some tunes on that instrument.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Bob himself
Re: Oboe
One of the few who could have done it is now sadly no longer with us – the late Derek Bell of the Chieftains.
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by lazyhound
Re: Oboe
How traditional is the bouzouki unless you're Greek? (Though it originates in Turkish tradition). So why not play trad tunes on any instrument, providing you don't blast everybody else out!
# Posted on July 11th 2008 by Ebor_fiddler
Re: Oboe
Mo debinately
# Posted on July 13th 2008 by hauke
Re: Oboe
Thank you very much for your help!!
# Posted on August 4th 2008 by CORK