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Outside the box ~

~ or, if you prefer, inside, and you could even try to pin down the dimensions as often happens here in discussions ~ or give us the formulae for achieving that end, maybe something with pi?

For now, here's what immediately came to my mind, in no particular order...

* Music first ~ Fanfare Ciocarlia (brass) :-)

* My dear wife has taken to describing certain Irish dance content as 'tildes', only it isn't usually voiced, instead she moves her hand and arm forward in a wave motion like a snake swimming in water. She does this sometimes to try to remind me as to what she thinks is coming next... I'm not always sure what she means... :-/

* Amongst my favourite places to take this, outside the usual 'ticky-tacky' (who luvs yuh Malvina!) ~ WILDERNESS!!! ~ outside in the open and wild places, and even when that includes constant courtesy of the rain keeping my tea topped up or forcing me to play in a tent or under a tarp...

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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ceolachen

You must be having a strange day. I usually can get the Karma of some the the Byzantine posts that appear on the Mustard Board.

I've reread this one several times. With the greatest of respect, I have no clue where it is going.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by zippydw

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I like to refer to it as "thinking outside the cannister" and when people correct me, saying, no, it's a box, I ask, "Why does it have to be a box?"

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by fidkid

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Put me in the APPROVE column, ceolachan. I haven't had one like that in maybe three months. I look forward to the flavor being corrected, tho.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by feardearg

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Hang on, I'm looking for my secret decoder ring so I can figure out what Mr. C is saying here.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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It strongly reminds me of Alfred Wainwright's descriptions of his dreams and fantasies, occasionally to be found among his writings about the Lakeland fells and other wild places.

You've spent too long in the North-West, ceolachan. Its people have the strangest minds in England, I'm quite sure of it.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by nicholas

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You know what? I can't find it. I'm going to walk down to the corner store and buy me a box of Cracker Jacks. I better get the decoder ring too, if they give me a baseball card again I'm going to be ticked.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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For something with the mathematical constant "pi", I have the following suggestion.....try taking requests from the audience but play only the songs or tunes with 3.1415 chords.
During a visit to San Francisco, California, Malvina Reynolds' song about Little Boxes kept going through my head (for some strange reason).

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by fauxcelt

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Dear C,
Could it be that you have recently visited Northampton and been drinking the tap water? 'They' say it's safe now...

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by john knoss

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For someone who seemed to be unsure of his wife's comment about tildes, you sure used a lot of them :)

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by creathana

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Methinks Ceol posts too much.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by Floss the Tethers

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Forsooth! Post on c!

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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Sorry, of course I meant pie! :-)

The 'box' ~ is it before you? Is it around you? Could it be something to do with how some of us compartmentalize things like [ tradition ]? Damn, how did that box get there? [ :-/ ] "Someone open this up, PLEEAASSE! I'm suffocating in here."

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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So, I started it with 'music', a group of musicians, a band, one I really like that is pretty much as far outside what we're usually dealing with here ~ and brass ~ "Fanfare Ciocarlia" rock!!! They have the spirit in great quantity. Given a choice between this without it and them with it, I would choose the spirit. So, if nothing else, recommend a recording you really love, that moves you, that has nothing or little to do with traditional or otherwise Irish music? Say for starters. Unfold the cardboard, raise your head up, look around and tell me what you see outside your box?

Tilde away dear wife of mine ~ ~ ~ ~ ;-)

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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Aha! Now I gotcha. Well, the problem for me is I chose to put myself in the box, I guess. I actively sought to do so, and now I've cursed myself, nothing else sounds 'right' to me anymore.

That being said, I'll always be a huge Gordon Lightfoot fan, and of folk and traditional music in general. I blame my Father and Uncles, too much sitting by their knees as a wee one listening to them pick, grin and holler Gordo songs on the living room floor in the 1970s.

My lads love Jack Johnson, and I dig him too. He’s got this groovy Hawaiian modern folk sound. You know what caught their interest? He did the soundtrack to the Curious George movie soundtrack, we love that CD around the house.

Now there's one non-Irish album I can heartily recommend, and it comes with a bonus double referral from my little sons. ;-)

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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...but did he really have to take the guitar underwater in the video? Boy, did that take some explaining. "Please son, let's leave the guitar here in the house and not go swimming with it like Jack Johnson does, ok? I have a feeling you won't be able to play it anymore after we do that..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFjnit1wyus&hl=en

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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Abba, "Super Trouper", listened to it last night on youtube just for some late 70s nostalgia - and they *were* troupers! More soul than you can find in an awful lot of folk or trad these days - and what a great melodeon tune! I'll work my way through their Greatest Hits.

Possibly not the sort of thing you were expecting, ceol, but you did open the floodgates.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by nicholas

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I want to hear Super Trouper on the melodeon! That's hilarious! You should make a nice ABBA set with "Dancing Queen"!

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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I think Ceolachan's been reading Finnegan's Wake...

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by Joe CSS

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Don't worry, I'm not inclined to get a blonde wig and falsies and try them out on Youtube. Or anywhere else.

I'm just in the mood to try pop and cheese on the box, now I'm getting used to the semitone row...all the stuff that everyone else seems to know except me (though I suspect most people have that feeling - i.e., that they're the only ones who're not in the loop).

I divide all popular music into stuff that's got tunes, and stuff that's only noise. But I'd like to play the tuneful stuff I've heard up and down my life, often from very long before I could play anything.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by nicholas

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"though I suspect most people have that feeling - i.e., that they're the only ones who're not in the loop"

No, it's just you. :-)

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by Whiddler

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Loop? What loop? :-/

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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ABBA - 1980 Super Trouper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR6H-LfKOpk

scissor sisters @ wetten dass...singing super-trouper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEgojKIyWns

Fanfare Ciocarlia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MsWl7eCs_E

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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A box?! You’re lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day…

Sorry. Somebody had to do it.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by Bob himself

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I have this lovely leather edition of "Finnegan's Wake" that's about the size of my hand, a miniature. Somehow, for a book that size, it seems right. But, this size it comes in two volumes or none of my pockets would be able to hold it... I would have preferred it in three... ;-) For added ethnic effect it's green leather...

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

Now if only I could set enought music aside to read it...

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

http://au.youtube.com/user/slavicsoulparty

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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Hallelujah, Bob's on ~ on what I am not sure, maybe that crust of bread was mouldy rye...

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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c - you might like Amestoy Trio - guitar, piano accordion, and tuba!
http://amestoytrio.calabashmusic.com/

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by airport

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Fanfare Ciocarlia

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MKDSM1A1c0E

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=bT4WGQVmQf8

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=l7UoFNl83l0

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=fGYm_eUmI48

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=R3-7x6uCPnY

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eMMyYN4N318

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=t4q78lohY9g

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_MsWl7eCs_E

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

Ah yes, the repeat ~ within reason... ;-)

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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Alright airport, when can I expect to see a transcription for "La Petite Valse de Derrier les Fagots"?

http://files.calabashmusic.com/samples/6436/la_petite_valse_de_derriere_les_fagots.sample.mp3

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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that's a fantanstic tune - I'd be cheating since I have the dots for that one :-)

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by airport

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You have the dots!? Where did you get them? Sadly, in this case, I think I am dotless... :-(

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by ceolachan

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Mr. C,

If you enjoy Fanfare Ciocarlia, may I recommend Taraf de Haidouks, another fantastic Romanian band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8lqsRVGndQ

(much more on YouTube)

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by Jameson Stew

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I have not read Finnegan's Wake.

I read mainly for information.

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by nicholas

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fantanstic? If my abc skills were better I'd know what to do with all those 8vas and slurs, and the change from bass to treble clef after the intro. I could email these dots, then you won't be dotless. Whatever you do, don't try the google image search (that was a mistake)

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by airport

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"I read mainly for information."

You've found the right thread here then, nicholas, eh....

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by wolfbird

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Doesn't that 1980 Abba vid just make you want to give the brunette a great big bear hug and a reassuring cuddle?!

# Posted on July 9th 2008 by nicholas

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Indeed, the poor dear.

Y'all ever watch the mothership land? Very enjoyable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UypeE3zTwBs

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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wow - that's upside the box, mon chien...

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by airport

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsS9xYFKy6c&feature=related

Look for the song "Muttos" by these guys. Somewhere there's a good sample of it.

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Bob himself

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"...* Music first ~ Fanfare Ciocarlia (brass)..."

Both my wife and I have been FC fans for a long time. GREAT stuff!

Have you listened to Kocani Orkestar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3KcyVZAhwI

Or the rocking Taraf de Haidouks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loZd4dPow4A

How about both together!!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0KUTj7vNS0

For something little more Pop-ish, I recommend KAL (great band, and love their cheesy 80s style videos!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FpwZFPvnmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te9Bc54umPA

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by gw

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I'm still looking for my box, but this is what i came up with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtNFQ7RJbaQ

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Bodhi

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I still don't quite get this thread. Are we just putting up Youtube videos of bands and songs and stuff we like that isn't Irish?

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Joe CSS

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"I still don't quite get this thread...."

You're not thinking "Outside the box."

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by gw

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wrong box video, try this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTRd1a5MVMw

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Bodhi

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can't forget these jokers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11jY0v5t1WM

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Bodhi

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I think this has got to be one of my favourite videos in the whole of Youtube:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UTby_e4-Rhg

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Joe CSS

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i think i need a drink.

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Bodhi

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Now, Mr., take this bucket.....

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Atahualpa Quigley

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Brilliant Joe CSS ~

It's plane to c ~ "we're a finite group of the order of 2..."

Great the rest too, now to watch them to the ends...

No, it didn't start life just about links to vids, but I'm enjoying those contributions so far...

It could also include things out of kilter with Irish tradition, like my wife's terminology and hand signals, or that my favourite places for enjoying it have been way out of the way, like on mountain tops or deep in rain forests, or alongside a campfire cooking fresh caught trout and wild mushrooms... 'Outside the box ~ ' was meant to be open ended, even that odd thing that happened on that other table as you enjoyed your local session... ;-)

Back to those views & listens you've all had the generosity to share...

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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Mariska ~ Whew!!! That did a number between the headphones... You need to update your guide to mushrooms... You shouldn't take in too many of those that favour fields of cow pats... I especially liked the ear flutters... ~ & "Oingo Boingo" :-/ Sadly, there's no bandjaxed or cross-eyed smilie available... So, this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUMyPG9NyjQ


Great stuff Jameson Stew, gw, I like "Taraf De Haïdouks" too...

Funky stuff SWFL, hold that mothership for me...

& a Vatican concert! ~ wild and lovely, goose bumps, "Tenores di Bitti"... But what an audience, eh... :-D

gw, no, I'd not heard "Kocani Orkestar" before... Thanks for the ears full, and those shoes... The 'tapan' is one of my all time favourite percussion instruments, I love it to bits, though the percussion mix on that vid was not great... The two groups together, brilliant!!! Goose bumps & a smile ~ it made my heart dance... It ended prematurely, too soon... KAL was good kick too, another brother in baldness, and a scat singer too... There were some distractions shaking in the background... If only we could have a session like that, eh? ;-) How'd one of my past loves end up in their second offering? She hasn't aged at all... Hmmmm...

Something more ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxHhSy36Klo&NR=1

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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If it's chocolate pie, I will be glad to help you eat it.
I like to eat trout but I have to eat it without the mushrooms because I am allergic to mushrooms.
ABBA.....one of the sins of my wild and misspent youth.

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by fauxcelt

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I've always thought of pi as chocolate, or pecan... But if it's chocolate you want, well, there are many to choose from, and even lovely chocolate pecan ~ mmmmmmmm!!! :-P

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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Another box...

We've a dear friend, a fiddler, from Ireland, who is convinced that no one in North America can possibly play Irish music. He's in his 80s. When I was saying that WIll Harmon and his lot had a session we should visit, he asked, "What kind of music do the play?" I answered, "Well, mostly Irish." His response, "No, what kind of music? Is it Montana music?" I sad, "No, Irish music." His response, "There can't be any life in it that far away."

I'd better put my glasses on before someone starts hitting out... 8-)

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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Oh cripes Mr. C, well, don't show him the You Tube of the Japanese session then, you could send the poor gent over the edge! ;-)

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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That first Taraf de Haidouks piece is easily the best musical interpretation I've heard of digging out a wasp's nest.

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by nicholas

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One of my favourite pastimes, even more fun are hornets...

I would have thought as a box player you'd be hooked up to hearing aids by now nicky? Everything sounds the same with those things... :-P

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

"Flight of the Wasps"

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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Jayz, call me a f***wit or whatever, but Joyce wrote a book called 'Finnegans Wake'. The absence of the apostrophe in said tome's title was of vital importance to its author, but this point has clearly not struck at least two of its readers (and more's the pity).

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by Floss the Tethers

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ceolachan: It's fiddlers who need hearing aids - look at Swarbrick.

And it's fiddles that are cut out to make barnyard noises and imitate the lower denizens of the natural world in states of excitement. Boxes only know how to play proper tunes and beautiful music. So there!

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by nicholas

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Hey, I was just repeating what someone else wrote. Let me check my little copy...

Damn, it is three wee volumes ~ "Finnegans Wake"
"Finnegans Wake" "Finnegans Wake" "Finnegans Wake"
"Finnegans Wake" "Finnegans Wake" "Finnegans Wake"

I'll get the slate and chalk out and write it 100 times without the apostrophe... I'm slapping myself too... OUCH! That hurt... I love these little numbers, gold leaved, and a little gold three leaved clover...

Hey, I don't need this, I never claimed to have read it. I just own a few copies and leave them lying around the house so someone might mistake me for erudite... :-P Oops! I'd better stick my tongue back in. It just happens, along with drool, when I'm really tired or wasted... Damn, there it goes again ~ :-P

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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Box players think the rule the world. But, we all know, it's what's outside the box that is the problem... :-D

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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Thank you for the comment about pies, Ceolachan, but I am allergic to pecans and other nuts. However, I am not allergic to chocolate, though.
Your comment about boxes could just as easily be applied to all other instruments. It isn't the instrument that is the problem, it is the fool who thinks he or she can play it.

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by fauxcelt

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True, and plain ol' chocolate is fine with me. Do you have a favourite type?

Nuts, all nuts? Does that mean I'd have to wear one of those suits so as not to affect you if we were to play tunes together... Sorry, I know, daft. But all nuts? I understand peanuts, there's a particular chemical involved in most allergies there, but some nuts are quite different ~ like Macadamia nuts? There can be such large differences in the chemical makeup of different seeds/nuts. Brazil nuts? I've worked with children where you have to be very careful, so many products either have peanut oil in them or are made where the mere presence can leave a minute trace that can still cause a reaction... My allegy is grass pollen, small stuff compared to a nut allergy.

So, name your chocolate pie... I've tons of recipes, though some call for ground almonds... :-/

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

I use walnut oil on wood. Walnuts too?

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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I can hear you just fine, now what the heck are you saying in here?

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler

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Is this wood or cardboard? Damn, it's cardboard. Couldn't you have held it a little longer... Yuck!

# Posted on July 10th 2008 by ceolachan

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Yes, Ceolachan, that does include all nuts (except for my wife, of course).
I don't have any problems with nuts unless I eat them. The next day, I get a migraine headache and a lot of nausea in my stomach (on rare occasions, the food tries to come back up).
I am also allergic to: onions; mushrooms; pickles; olives; beans; peas; sausage; bacon; ham; bologna; salami; spinach; turnip greens; figs; anything with vinegar in it; aged cheeses; anything marinated; pepperoni; as well as citrus fruits and juices. I can eat plain pork with no seasoning added to it.
I had to make a list of all these foods which I am allergic to and put it on the refrigerator for my wife so she doesn't accidentally poison me.
I don't recommend that you ask me what I can eat without any problems unless you want to read an equally long list of foods.
Since I can eat chocolate without any problems and both my wife and myself like to cook, I would be glad to try any recipes for chocolate pie which you can send me.

# Posted on July 11th 2008 by fauxcelt

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:-D My poor brother was allergic to ~ clorophyl... We both have benefited from desensitization. He no longer has to avoid everything green. My program was interrupted. They are just starting to bring it back here, realizing that it wasn't the program that didn't work, it was bad management and poor understanding... I think, personally, they dropped it because of price, the then NHS... I'm not sure how well it would work for so many allergies, but it could be there are just a few common chemical bonds that all those things share? You wouldn't know that from just looking at that list ~ and all citrus fruits? Maybe it's about acids? You have my sympathies, actually, your wife does... ;-)

# Posted on July 11th 2008 by ceolachan

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