My missus and I just had a huge barney this evening for about an hour over the second part of Bundle and Go. If you're still reading, that tune is like a Scottish pipe march in the first part, but in the second part there is this recurring d B d B thing which is pure waves of the sea, (just think shetland, norway, or of course, Donegal) - anyway, we were playing it, and she was pumping the notes out fiercely - on those d B d B bits... I've always heard that part of that tune as being slurred as slurry with a little slurred rhythm that one puts in on the drag of the bow... anyway, I spoke up, and I will edit out the next hour....
... after we were talking again in a vaguely civil fashion, it had struck me that Bundle and Go and the Battering Ram have a lot in common. (She's a flute player, and I a fiddle). I would not Donegal Pipey slur the Battering Ram, and therefore would not expect a flute to blast the slurry bit of Bundle and Go.
Discuss.
A few points to help:
i) are you envious?
ii) are you thinking: "Get a life you two!"
iii) I don't know either tune
iv) wtf????!!!!!
v) actually I heard xxxxxxxxx xxxxxx playing it at xxxxx and xhe played it xxzxzzzzzzxxxxxxxxxx way.
So what sort of confrontation do you have when you've run over the dog, written off the conservatory, crashed into the house and set the kitchen on fire??!
Practicing with my SO is usually best avoided unless we are both in a REALLY good mood. It otherwise ends in a fight, usually due to him saying a tune is wrong when I argue it's a legit variation. If I got it off the recording, than whoever recorded it was wrong. If it's my own variation, than I am clearly wrong as I shouldn't be playing variations.
To his credit sometimes it really is wrong notes, but not always!
God, the first sight of a musically intelligent life-form and the discussion is being dissed! ITM must be the only genre in which people would seemingly die for it because they love it so much and then separate themselves from any level of thinking about it.
While I don't know your version of Bundle & Go - (I only know the jig by that name), I think that your topic raises two issues of musical maturity:
1. that while playing together with other musicians, one should blend with the other articulations.
2. The fact that there certainly is no set in stone way of articulating any tune in the tradition. Whatever about staying true to the notes or at least the structural tones (the method adopted by many old Donegal Fiddle players), you're absolutely free to choose your own articulation.
Why don't you try articulating the tune firstly the way your wife wants it, then on the repeat using your approach. You'll find it'll be much more interesting.
Actually Martin, your two points are the most important piece of this thread, but if it takes a description of a domestic squabble over ornaments to get there, well OK then.
It's actually a really funny way of talking about articulation. The next will be, "Is that another womans triplet your using? I knew you spent time with her! You're dumped!"
She gives me funny looks when I play with someone elses g string too...! Agree with you about one's own choice - some tunes which have kept their individuality more than others deserve learning the "right way" as well, no matter what you do with it after... well, that's my thought on it anyway. I'm not advocating ossification.
"Why don't you try articulating the tune firstly the way your wife wants it, then on the repeat using your approach. You'll find it'll be much more interesting." - haha this sounds like something from a dodgy selfhelp book!
p.s. yeah it is the jig - but it's a march really - has that strange constipation.
Anyway, we played a set tonight, B&G into the Battering Ram - it's a good un.
But on a serious note, how many "fiery couples" are there out there playing this music? The argument was finally lanced by one of us remarking that there are probably only 50 to a 100 people in the world who might know or care about the tune that we've been blazing about.
I and my ex used to get into huge arguments about tuning - she played hammered dulcimer (amongst other things), and it was always all over the map. I always thought that we should tune to the dulcimer rather than using the electronic tuners. I always lost. Luckily, not too many specifically musical arguments, though. She also taught guitar, voice, banjo, and a few other things, and sometimes when I'd be working outside on the house while she was teaching, I'd correct her (through the window) when I heard something wrong: "...no, you need an A minor and then a D7 there, and not just an F...". I'm sure that her students got a huge kick out of that.
Before things went to hell, she used to say that our little string band had an interesting "edge" that the other local politically correct hippy-dippy outfits didn't have, due to the personality conflicts of the individuals involved.
It was fun while it lasted.
Sorry, should have been more clear. It's the "musical" arguments and how common or uncommon that interest me. We've been together forever... or 18 years, since we were young. I was wondering if there were any other musical couples out there who vehemently argue in a passionate fashion over things as sad and banal as how to play a particular tune (that in my experience) hardly anyone knows................................ yawn
Ok - how many of you do this?
Ok - how many of you do this?
My missus and I just had a huge barney this evening for about an hour over the second part of Bundle and Go. If you're still reading, that tune is like a Scottish pipe march in the first part, but in the second part there is this recurring d B d B thing which is pure waves of the sea, (just think shetland, norway, or of course, Donegal) - anyway, we were playing it, and she was pumping the notes out fiercely - on those d B d B bits... I've always heard that part of that tune as being slurred as slurry with a little slurred rhythm that one puts in on the drag of the bow... anyway, I spoke up, and I will edit out the next hour....
... after we were talking again in a vaguely civil fashion, it had struck me that Bundle and Go and the Battering Ram have a lot in common. (She's a flute player, and I a fiddle). I would not Donegal Pipey slur the Battering Ram, and therefore would not expect a flute to blast the slurry bit of Bundle and Go.
Discuss.
A few points to help:
i) are you envious?
ii) are you thinking: "Get a life you two!"
iii) I don't know either tune
iv) wtf????!!!!!
v) actually I heard xxxxxxxxx xxxxxx playing it at xxxxx and xhe played it xxzxzzzzzzxxxxxxxxxx way.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
I'm thinking 'number ii' in all senses of the phrase
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by Worldwide Pants
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
Same here, to be honest.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
So what sort of confrontation do you have when you've run over the dog, written off the conservatory, crashed into the house and set the kitchen on fire??!
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
Don't even go there...
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
Maybe you should both see an ornamentation counsellor.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by chuneboi slim
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
It's ok, she is, it's me.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
I wonder if health insurance covers that.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
The counsellor, that is, cross post, sorry mm.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
hmmm (and ditto... looks over shoulder, frightened, all of a sudden, where will the axe chop next?) cough cough
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
(another axe post)
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
Practicing with my SO is usually best avoided unless we are both in a REALLY good mood. It otherwise ends in a fight, usually due to him saying a tune is wrong when I argue it's a legit variation. If I got it off the recording, than whoever recorded it was wrong. If it's my own variation, than I am clearly wrong as I shouldn't be playing variations.
To his credit sometimes it really is wrong notes, but not always!
Yes, see how this can end badly? LOL.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by TheSilverSpear
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
grab a beer and ask yourself, at this point in your life is it worth thinking about?
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by stevequincy
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
You are obviously incompatable at deep levels. Maybe have a few pints and see whether either of you notice where the slurring occurs.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by Brown Creeper
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
Silver Spear, you have it in a nutshell.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
God, the first sight of a musically intelligent life-form and the discussion is being dissed! ITM must be the only genre in which people would seemingly die for it because they love it so much and then separate themselves from any level of thinking about it.
While I don't know your version of Bundle & Go - (I only know the jig by that name), I think that your topic raises two issues of musical maturity:
1. that while playing together with other musicians, one should blend with the other articulations.
2. The fact that there certainly is no set in stone way of articulating any tune in the tradition. Whatever about staying true to the notes or at least the structural tones (the method adopted by many old Donegal Fiddle players), you're absolutely free to choose your own articulation.
Why don't you try articulating the tune firstly the way your wife wants it, then on the repeat using your approach. You'll find it'll be much more interesting.
More like Mutatis mutandis please!
Martin
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by martin t
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
Actually Martin, your two points are the most important piece of this thread, but if it takes a description of a domestic squabble over ornaments to get there, well OK then.
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
It's actually a really funny way of talking about articulation. The next will be, "Is that another womans triplet your using? I knew you spent time with her! You're dumped!"
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by martin t
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
She gives me funny looks when I play with someone elses g string too...! Agree with you about one's own choice - some tunes which have kept their individuality more than others deserve learning the "right way" as well, no matter what you do with it after... well, that's my thought on it anyway. I'm not advocating ossification.
"Why don't you try articulating the tune firstly the way your wife wants it, then on the repeat using your approach. You'll find it'll be much more interesting." - haha this sounds like something from a dodgy selfhelp book!
# Posted on June 27th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
p.s. yeah it is the jig - but it's a march really - has that strange constipation.
Anyway, we played a set tonight, B&G into the Battering Ram - it's a good un.
But on a serious note, how many "fiery couples" are there out there playing this music? The argument was finally lanced by one of us remarking that there are probably only 50 to a 100 people in the world who might know or care about the tune that we've been blazing about.
Long live the blazing, I say.
# Posted on June 28th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
I and my ex used to get into huge arguments about tuning - she played hammered dulcimer (amongst other things), and it was always all over the map. I always thought that we should tune to the dulcimer rather than using the electronic tuners. I always lost. Luckily, not too many specifically musical arguments, though. She also taught guitar, voice, banjo, and a few other things, and sometimes when I'd be working outside on the house while she was teaching, I'd correct her (through the window) when I heard something wrong: "...no, you need an A minor and then a D7 there, and not just an F...". I'm sure that her students got a huge kick out of that.
Before things went to hell, she used to say that our little string band had an interesting "edge" that the other local politically correct hippy-dippy outfits didn't have, due to the personality conflicts of the individuals involved.
It was fun while it lasted.
# Posted on June 28th 2008 by tomw
Re: Ok - how many of you do this?
Sorry, should have been more clear. It's the "musical" arguments and how common or uncommon that interest me. We've been together forever... or 18 years, since we were young. I was wondering if there were any other musical couples out there who vehemently argue in a passionate fashion over things as sad and banal as how to play a particular tune (that in my experience) hardly anyone knows................................ yawn
# Posted on June 29th 2008 by mutatis mutandis