Just wondering why it is referred to as ITM here as no-one adn I mean absolutely not one soul calls it ITM in the whole length and breath of Ireland and yet numerous posters insist on using this term here on this forum. It is not ITM it has never been ITM and I cannot seeing it ever evolving into ITM in the future in Ireland wher the music originates from. So get the names correct Trad is what it is called or Traditional ......nothing else!
So what? We've already pretty much established that you no longer have to be Irish to get this music, so I'm afraid that what the Irish call it is not all that relevant.
And the amazing thing is... some people are competent or would like to be competent at other traditional musics that the irish. So we give names.
"Trad" as a generic musical term means New Orleans stylie jazz (clarinet/ trumpet/ trombone/ rhythm section- particularly or the late 50's European beatnik revival) where I come from.
"That's Trad Dad", says the hep cat in his Jesus creepers, berry, duffle coat and Dizzy Gillespie beard & spectacles...
I find the general public (punters) have no idea what ITM means. But they all understand "Diddley Diddley" music (which strangely takes us back to the late 50's but to the fab Bo Diddley this time!).
I play diddley. (to distinguish it from the songs, which I don't play) (and to distinguish it from diddly, which I sometimes play, but can't help myself from making sound diddley)
Let's not forget the English fop of olden time, Beau D'Iddley, and of course his Irish cousin Brian ( or as he preferred to be known) just plain B.O'Diddley
But, seriously; we're writing in a(n english-speaking) world context here, so we need to be specific in our terms; and, as previously said, trad means many things to many people.
Shylock writes: "no-one adn I mean absolutely not one soul calls it ITM in the whole length and breath of Ireland"
~~~
This is false because there are members of this website that are in Ireland and use the term "ITM" when they're referring to traditional music of Ireland.
"Trad" is a way of verbally abbreviating "traditional music," and if you want to specify what traditional music you’re referring to you might say, “Irish trad.” "ITM" is a way to abbreviate "Irish traditional music" on an International website about the subject.
I always thought the term 'diddley' was a bit of put down, Michael. I suppose it could be self deprecating, like 'a few tunes'
In fact when I think of it, I think the term 'diddley' is more used by Northerners (referring to Ireland). I recall one northern friend who always said - 'God, they're playing that old diddley again'
"old diddley"? that should be "trad diddley" (TDM) surely - as opposed to "contemporary diddley" (CDM) and new fangled stuff like that (NFD).
Oh heck, I'm off to the ATM so I can buy some KFC before going to the ITM session.
In fact, come to think of it and to address the original question, the term ITM is probably just a handle for people to give this music some status - a fancy term.
Because there is a bit of an underlying inferiority complex regarding 'diddley', 'trad', 'a few tunes' in Ireland. Like the language it was viewed in the past and present as inferior, home grown - a link to relative poverty. Then there are also people who will refer to it as 'knackers music' - referring to the fact that the much maligned travelling community in Ireland have carried the music for many generations.
So, you can see why people might like a fancy term.
If for some reason, I was in conversation with someone and the subject came up, most likely I'd just say something like "I play a bit of Irish music, and myself and some friends have a regular session in a local pub. Acoustic music, you know, flutes fiddles, accordions and so on...."
Ceilidh music is a different breed of music altogether, we mean music played by a ceilidh band, like the Kilfenora Ceilidh Band.
Diddley music sounds like you're a complete Barbarian who doesn't know the proper term to use, it also sounds childish...like milk coming from a moo moo...(Roll over James Joyce)
ITM is plain dumb and should be banned from being used...it is only used by people on this website and means absolutely nothing to anyone outside the confines of this site.
I refuse to use it anymore and if anyone believes I'm talking about New Orleans jazz while in discussion on this site, they they should be taken outside and shot on site...
What an idiotic topic filled with pure self-importance.
Sure, in Ireland you can certainly just call it Trad, Traditional Music or even Irish Music. However, it's a big world out there. I know it comes as a shock to some of you, but there are a whole lot of musical traditions which amazingly can be called Trad or Traditional Music.
Last I checked, England had quite a few tunes. Heck, let's not ignore Scandanavia. Yeesh, name any country or group of peoples and you have SOME sort of "Trad".
That's why it's crap for a name when spoken out of context. Now, at a session, the context is there that when you say Trad, they know what you mean. On the board here, it's still there, but other traditions are sometimes discussed, so the context can become blurry. At that point, you need to clarify which tradition you are speaking of. You COULD say ITM is the default and what you say when speaking of Trad. That's fairly given here. But adding an identifier doesn't harm anything. In fact, it makes it more clear.
Where I am, Trad sure as heck doesn't mean Irish Music. It COULD mean bluegrass or Old Time though.
While we're at it, does anyone *say* things like "LOL", "OT", "ROFL","IMHO", or "YMMV" in real life? (God, I hope not... that's the sign of a serious geek there!)
ITM is a useful abbreviation for typing something specific on a web forum, and people know what you're talking about - get over it.
If "ITM" takes a quarter of a second to type (including hitting the caps lock key on and off again), then "diddley" would only take three eighths. Hands up who hasn't got an eighth of a second to spare if it winds some precious fecker up?
i'm irish & i use d term ITM on dis site cos it saves time typin d whole phrase 'Irish Traditional Music'. It's a handy abbreviation dat every1 understands so fck off w/ ur stupid thread Shylock.......
When people ask me what type of music I like to play at jam sessions I participate in and I tell them Irish and Scottish music, that usually seems to satisfy them and the questioner seems to understand that.
Sometimes people ask, 'Like in Riverdance?" but that seems to have stopped (fortunately).
Jam sessions round here mean tired sad old balding 50- and 60-something ex glam rockers from Thornton Heath getting up on stage on a sunday afternoon after 2 spliffs and six pints of sheep shagger with a bass and drum backing and playing the same guitar riff they've done for the past 40 years...a kind of rock version of some us actually....
Blimey!
I'm agreeing with Danny!
Jam sessions around here are exactly as he describes and really best avoided at all costs. The only differences are that the tired sad old balding "12 bar shuffle in E or A" thrashers come from Kingston and it's on Thursday evening.
At least at a diddley session you have to know more then one tune (even I do!), you can all "have a go at once" (the jammers have to hang around for hours talking about guitars and how much they are worth before their turn comes round) and sessions do not give your instant tinnitus (if that's how you spell it) unless you get stuck talking to Fred at the bar.
Seriously, musicians at sessions (on the whole!) are much more tasteful, tuneful and talented than any BLooZ strangler knocking out their dreadful old hat.
The descriptions of the jam sessions at Kingston and Thornton Heath are close to how I might describe a local blues jam. Maybe once a month, I sit in and play bass at this blues jam. Even though some of the "musicians" (using the term rather loosely) have oversized egos and undersized talent, I have successfully resisted the temptation to strangle any of them--so far.
Gosh! Fancy you remembering I was in rock bands, mickray. I know I've mentioned it, but not much ... once? twice?
I know nobody uses the term in real life - in my neck of the woods, I couldn't just say 'I play trad' if someone asked what sort of music I play. I usually say 'Mostly Irish stuff. Y'know, jigs 'n' reels 'n stuff.'
Same for me, Dafydd.
Trad means music by the people you mentioned, plus Chris Barber and the late Humphrey Lyttleton (at least, before he went mainstream).
When we were kids in the 40s and 50s, the music we play now used to be called ceili music, which is logical because it was originally music for dancing to.
The younger generation in Ireland now call it trad, although - as Danny said - some of the older folk refer to it as Irish music.
With the development of styles, new instruments, being lstened to as well as being danced to, and new generations coming along, it´s normal that the terminology for the music should change.
As for ITM, it´s a convenient shorthand for using on the yellow board, but it wouldn´t occur to me to use it in any other context. People wouldn´t know what you were talking about.
Oh for feckity feck feck feckity feckity sake!!! For god damn sake - my god this is stupid!!!
Yes - yawn - there are yawn, yawn...alot of other trad music even in england - but this is a website for *TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC* so if we call it "Trad* on this forum then I'm pretty sure that most will think we mean *irish* (God I hope so anyway)
what's wrong with some variety in language? i have never heard anyone say ITM in real life, but it is handy on the forum, so i think it is fine in it's place.
in real life, i say irish music, or traditional irish music.
a lot of people who play irish music say tunes when talking about the music: "let's have some tunes," "can you play us a tune," "that was a nice tune."
when people know i play irish music, they say, "how is the music going?"
sometimes i call it diddley, for fun.
but mostly, instead of talking about it, i just play.
I've been playing Irish music for over 30 years and had never seen the term "ITM" until I joined this forum. It was news to me.
But I see the original poster's point: I'm from West Virginia, my Grandfather played what is now called "Appalachian Old-Time fiddle", but he would never have called it that. To him it was simply "fiddle tunes" or "mountain music".
But, as people have pointed out, when a style of music travels outside of its original home, people in the broader world of music need some sort of label to attach to it, to distinguish it from all the other kinds of music in the world.
Once my grandfather's music travelled outside of Appalachia it's obviously no longer sufficient to call it "fiddle tunes". A new name, one never used locally, has to be invented.
No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Just wondering why it is referred to as ITM here as no-one adn I mean absolutely not one soul calls it ITM in the whole length and breath of Ireland and yet numerous posters insist on using this term here on this forum. It is not ITM it has never been ITM and I cannot seeing it ever evolving into ITM in the future in Ireland wher the music originates from. So get the names correct Trad is what it is called or Traditional ......nothing else!
Sorry Laddies!
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Shylock
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Aye! Tee 'em.
Down boy!
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
So what? We've already pretty much established that you no longer have to be Irish to get this music, so I'm afraid that what the Irish call it is not all that relevant.
And the amazing thing is... some people are competent or would like to be competent at other traditional musics that the irish. So we give names.
Nice windup though.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Tirno
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
ITM is txt spk. u dnt typ any mor ltrs thn u hav 2.
Way back, many years ago, there were ads in the U.S. for a correspondence course in stenography (look it up, if you don't know) that read:
"cn u rd this?"
Same thing.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by mickray
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
.... and it's "breadth," not "breath."
Although if you think about it, wouldn't it be same thing? "Length" usually means a horizontal measurement--and so does "breadth"!
There oughta be a law. (See what you get, when you start a windup? Let this be a lesson to you.)
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by mickray
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
ITM is ridiculous - I dont go around going "Hi, I play ITM" Its just stupid - everyone here calls it "Trad" as well.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by bb
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
The term ITM is suitable for a forum such as this, and nothing else.
... but it is suitable for a forum such as this. It distinguishes it from other TMs.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by benhall.1
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Other TMs? Transcendental Meditations? benhall, you spent too much time in those rock bands.
I'm trying to get this thread deleted, really hard. Thirsty work it is, too....
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by mickray
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
"Trad" as a generic musical term means New Orleans stylie jazz (clarinet/ trumpet/ trombone/ rhythm section- particularly or the late 50's European beatnik revival) where I come from.
"That's Trad Dad", says the hep cat in his Jesus creepers, berry, duffle coat and Dizzy Gillespie beard & spectacles...
I find the general public (punters) have no idea what ITM means. But they all understand "Diddley Diddley" music (which strangely takes us back to the late 50's but to the fab Bo Diddley this time!).
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by yhaalhouse
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
On the island of Ireland
the music is called
Irish Music
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by gooseinthenettles
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
I play diddley. (to distinguish it from the songs, which I don't play) (and to distinguish it from diddly, which I sometimes play, but can't help myself from making sound diddley)
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Thank you Shylock. I'm glad someone else, not just me, is being vocal about their distaste for this stupid term.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Let's not forget the English fop of olden time, Beau D'Iddley, and of course his Irish cousin Brian ( or as he preferred to be known) just plain B.O'Diddley
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
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But, seriously; we're writing in a(n english-speaking) world context here, so we need to be specific in our terms; and, as previously said, trad means many things to many people.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Shylock writes: "no-one adn I mean absolutely not one soul calls it ITM in the whole length and breath of Ireland"
~~~
This is false because there are members of this website that are in Ireland and use the term "ITM" when they're referring to traditional music of Ireland.
"Trad" is a way of verbally abbreviating "traditional music," and if you want to specify what traditional music you’re referring to you might say, “Irish trad.” "ITM" is a way to abbreviate "Irish traditional music" on an International website about the subject.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Phantom Button
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
An elderly couple from Limerick on holiday in the UK told me recently, "Oh, we just call it 'ceilidh music'..."
Maybe that's a better definition than "Celtic music", as it cuts out the floaty stuff.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by nicholas
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
But 'ceilidh music' doesn't distinguish it from Scottish music
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
'I play a bit of trad'
but more likely
'a few tunes'
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by the wounded hussar
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
True, O King! I'd overlooked that little detail.
Personally, I like "ITM". It's snappy, esoteric and feeds my inner geek. Using it is the nearest I get to wearing shades.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by nicholas
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
I always thought the term 'diddley' was a bit of put down, Michael. I suppose it could be self deprecating, like 'a few tunes'
In fact when I think of it, I think the term 'diddley' is more used by Northerners (referring to Ireland). I recall one northern friend who always said - 'God, they're playing that old diddley again'
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by the wounded hussar
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
yep. I love it
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
"old diddley"? that should be "trad diddley" (TDM) surely - as opposed to "contemporary diddley" (CDM) and new fangled stuff like that (NFD).
Oh heck, I'm off to the ATM so I can buy some KFC before going to the ITM session.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Duijera Dubh
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
In fact, come to think of it and to address the original question, the term ITM is probably just a handle for people to give this music some status - a fancy term.
Because there is a bit of an underlying inferiority complex regarding 'diddley', 'trad', 'a few tunes' in Ireland. Like the language it was viewed in the past and present as inferior, home grown - a link to relative poverty. Then there are also people who will refer to it as 'knackers music' - referring to the fact that the much maligned travelling community in Ireland have carried the music for many generations.
So, you can see why people might like a fancy term.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by the wounded hussar
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
you're off to the Adobe Type Manager so you can buy some Kilmarnock Football Club before going to the Information Technology Marathon ???
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Exactly!
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Duijera Dubh
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Have we ever had a Best Windup poll?
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Greg the Piano Tuner
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
If for some reason, I was in conversation with someone and the subject came up, most likely I'd just say something like "I play a bit of Irish music, and myself and some friends have a regular session in a local pub. Acoustic music, you know, flutes fiddles, accordions and so on...."
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
...But I'd NEVER EVER say ITM.
People would just laugh.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Neither would I!
Anyway, in Australia we only play ridgy didge dinky die diddley.
Diddley squat else.
Fair dinkum!
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Duijera Dubh
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Ceilidh music is a different breed of music altogether, we mean music played by a ceilidh band, like the Kilfenora Ceilidh Band.
Diddley music sounds like you're a complete Barbarian who doesn't know the proper term to use, it also sounds childish...like milk coming from a moo moo...(Roll over James Joyce)
ITM is plain dumb and should be banned from being used...it is only used by people on this website and means absolutely nothing to anyone outside the confines of this site.
I refuse to use it anymore and if anyone believes I'm talking about New Orleans jazz while in discussion on this site, they they should be taken outside and shot on site...
Regards laddies
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Shylock
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Yes, shot on websight.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Duijera Dubh
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
I quite like being called a complete Barbarian. Kind of suits me. Thanks
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
You're absolutely welcome!
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Shylock
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Ho hum, aye tie diddley-eye m.
It's all just dottin i's and crossin' t's.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Duijera Dubh
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
So?
Diddley = Irish
Diddly = Scottish
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by TomB-R
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
yeah, as in whiskey and whisky. (A cleverer man than I spotted that one)
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
What an idiotic topic filled with pure self-importance.
Sure, in Ireland you can certainly just call it Trad, Traditional Music or even Irish Music. However, it's a big world out there. I know it comes as a shock to some of you, but there are a whole lot of musical traditions which amazingly can be called Trad or Traditional Music.
Last I checked, England had quite a few tunes. Heck, let's not ignore Scandanavia. Yeesh, name any country or group of peoples and you have SOME sort of "Trad".
That's why it's crap for a name when spoken out of context. Now, at a session, the context is there that when you say Trad, they know what you mean. On the board here, it's still there, but other traditions are sometimes discussed, so the context can become blurry. At that point, you need to clarify which tradition you are speaking of. You COULD say ITM is the default and what you say when speaking of Trad. That's fairly given here. But adding an identifier doesn't harm anything. In fact, it makes it more clear.
Where I am, Trad sure as heck doesn't mean Irish Music. It COULD mean bluegrass or Old Time though.
Yeah, I'm bored at work today too.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Ashkettle
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
New Orleans Jazz??
would that be played by a "jazz band" with kazoos and xylophones?
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by geoffwright
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
It does seem kind of redundant to call the music anything but 'the music' when we're on a board dedicated to 'the music'.
As in "Well of course you're talking about I Tee Em, this isn't the Mariachi forum." etc. etc.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
ITM is shorter to write than Eye Tee Em.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by PaddyCmusic
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
LOL, PaddyCmusic.
While we're at it, does anyone *say* things like "LOL", "OT", "ROFL","IMHO", or "YMMV" in real life? (God, I hope not... that's the sign of a serious geek there!)
ITM is a useful abbreviation for typing something specific on a web forum, and people know what you're talking about - get over it.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Reverend
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
If "ITM" takes a quarter of a second to type (including hitting the caps lock key on and off again), then "diddley" would only take three eighths. Hands up who hasn't got an eighth of a second to spare if it winds some precious fecker up?
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
It's not "ceilidh".
It's "ceili", but with fadas over the e and i.
*#*#*# foreigners...
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by grego
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
My fada said he's completely over it.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Duijera Dubh
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
i'm irish & i use d term ITM on dis site cos it saves time typin d whole phrase 'Irish Traditional Music'. It's a handy abbreviation dat every1 understands so fck off w/ ur stupid thread Shylock.......
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Worldwide Pants
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Is that so Shylock? well, well. How about this then:
The Companion to Irish Traditional Music (Hardcover)
by Fintan Vallely
I believe F.V. lives and plays in Ireland. Last I heard anyway.
http://www.amazon.com/Companion-Irish-Traditional-Music/dp/0814788025
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by mtodd
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
yeah, as in whiskey and whisky. (A cleverer man than I spotted that one)
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by llig leahcim
Who was that? George W. Bush?
ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Worldwide Pants
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
When people ask me what type of music I like to play at jam sessions I participate in and I tell them Irish and Scottish music, that usually seems to satisfy them and the questioner seems to understand that.
Sometimes people ask, 'Like in Riverdance?" but that seems to have stopped (fortunately).
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by fauxcelt
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
When I talk about jam sessions, people usually ask me how many people we got into the car while doing burnouts. And you think you've got problems!
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Duijera Dubh
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
When we say "jam sessions" here, we are talking about music. However, your (Australian?) version of "jam sessions" sounds like fun also.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by fauxcelt
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Jam sessions round here mean tired sad old balding 50- and 60-something ex glam rockers from Thornton Heath getting up on stage on a sunday afternoon after 2 spliffs and six pints of sheep shagger with a bass and drum backing and playing the same guitar riff they've done for the past 40 years...a kind of rock version of some us actually....
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
That's a very disturbing picture, KML.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by grego
Yhaal House agrees with Danny!
Blimey!
I'm agreeing with Danny!
Jam sessions around here are exactly as he describes and really best avoided at all costs. The only differences are that the tired sad old balding "12 bar shuffle in E or A" thrashers come from Kingston and it's on Thursday evening.
At least at a diddley session you have to know more then one tune (even I do!), you can all "have a go at once" (the jammers have to hang around for hours talking about guitars and how much they are worth before their turn comes round) and sessions do not give your instant tinnitus (if that's how you spell it) unless you get stuck talking to Fred at the bar.
Seriously, musicians at sessions (on the whole!) are much more tasteful, tuneful and talented than any BLooZ strangler knocking out their dreadful old hat.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by yhaalhouse
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Blues Strangler. I almost wished I liked Blues and had a band, I'd name it that.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Glad to see you're learning something about this genre Yhaal, and not calling the pipes a hoover any more.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
The problem with the derivative ITMian is disambiguating between TMians who are Irish and Mians who play diddley. Or diddly.
A bit like scottish smoked salmon and smoked scottish salmon.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Mike Floorstand
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
The descriptions of the jam sessions at Kingston and Thornton Heath are close to how I might describe a local blues jam. Maybe once a month, I sit in and play bass at this blues jam. Even though some of the "musicians" (using the term rather loosely) have oversized egos and undersized talent, I have successfully resisted the temptation to strangle any of them--so far.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by fauxcelt
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Trad to me means Acker Bilk,Kenny Ball and that ilk.
It's Trad Dad!
http://www.tcm.com/thismonth/article.jsp?cid=150482&mainArticleId=150473
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by dafydd
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Gosh! Fancy you remembering I was in rock bands, mickray. I know I've mentioned it, but not much ... once? twice?
I know nobody uses the term in real life - in my neck of the woods, I couldn't just say 'I play trad' if someone asked what sort of music I play. I usually say 'Mostly Irish stuff. Y'know, jigs 'n' reels 'n stuff.'
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by benhall.1
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Same for me, Dafydd.
Trad means music by the people you mentioned, plus Chris Barber and the late Humphrey Lyttleton (at least, before he went mainstream).
When we were kids in the 40s and 50s, the music we play now used to be called ceili music, which is logical because it was originally music for dancing to.
The younger generation in Ireland now call it trad, although - as Danny said - some of the older folk refer to it as Irish music.
With the development of styles, new instruments, being lstened to as well as being danced to, and new generations coming along, it´s normal that the terminology for the music should change.
As for ITM, it´s a convenient shorthand for using on the yellow board, but it wouldn´t occur to me to use it in any other context. People wouldn´t know what you were talking about.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by murfbox
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Oh for feckity feck feck feckity feckity sake!!! For god damn sake - my god this is stupid!!!
Yes - yawn - there are yawn, yawn...alot of other trad music even in england - but this is a website for *TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC* so if we call it "Trad* on this forum then I'm pretty sure that most will think we mean *irish* (God I hope so anyway)
TRAD TRAD TRAD....lets bring back the word Trad
# Posted on June 13th 2008 by bb
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
So that settles it... when bb is talking about trad on this website she means ITM.
(runs for cover)
# Posted on June 13th 2008 by Phantom Button
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
Does a lilter refer to lilting as "singing the diddley?"
# Posted on June 13th 2008 by awildman
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
what's wrong with some variety in language? i have never heard anyone say ITM in real life, but it is handy on the forum, so i think it is fine in it's place.
in real life, i say irish music, or traditional irish music.
a lot of people who play irish music say tunes when talking about the music: "let's have some tunes," "can you play us a tune," "that was a nice tune."
when people know i play irish music, they say, "how is the music going?"
sometimes i call it diddley, for fun.
but mostly, instead of talking about it, i just play.
# Posted on June 13th 2008 by daiv
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
I've been playing Irish music for over 30 years and had never seen the term "ITM" until I joined this forum. It was news to me.
But I see the original poster's point: I'm from West Virginia, my Grandfather played what is now called "Appalachian Old-Time fiddle", but he would never have called it that. To him it was simply "fiddle tunes" or "mountain music".
But, as people have pointed out, when a style of music travels outside of its original home, people in the broader world of music need some sort of label to attach to it, to distinguish it from all the other kinds of music in the world.
Once my grandfather's music travelled outside of Appalachia it's obviously no longer sufficient to call it "fiddle tunes". A new name, one never used locally, has to be invented.
# Posted on June 15th 2008 by Richard D Cook
Re: No-one in Ireland calls it ITM!
"The Music".
# Posted on June 15th 2008 by hauke