As of the 1st of January 2004 smoking is banned in Irish pubs. (I think thats the date anyway!!) Anybody got any views on this?? I think its an awful pity as many great musicians I know are smokers and will stop going to sessions because of this law. I'm not a smoker myself and I don't mind being with smokers.
What about the man who enjoys a social drink once a week in a quiet pub and wants a drag on his pipe? What will happen to him?? If people don't want to around smoke then they can leave the pub and visit the off-licence.
OK bring on the anti-smoking campaigners!!!!
Carrie*
Smoking indoors in public places such as pubs, cafes, shopping centres etc has been banned here in Australia for a couple of years. Maybe we've just got used to it, but it doesn't seem to have hurt the session scene (just too busy enjoying the music I guess
(As a side note tobacco advertising has been banned here since I think the late 70s/early 80s - someone correct me if I've got the date wrong
It will interesting to see how the change effects things in Ireland; here in Oz non-smokers heavy outnumber smokers, so let us know how it goes
I saw a news item the other day that studies indicate that nicotine helps stave off the onset and symptoms of Alzheimer's. A separate study purports to show that using one's brain into old age by playing music, learning new languages, and other difficult cerebral activities, also tends to stave off age-related mental deterioration. So where does this leave musicians who like to smoke? Btw, like Carrie, I'm a non-smoker, but being in the company of smokers has never bothered me at all.
Trevor
It got quite heated, and I got a yellow card from Jeremy, so I'll say just, that in principle I think it's a good idea.
But I agree with Zina's initial observation, how are they going to make it stick.
I think that it's a good idea as well, I have many health issues already at 16, doesn't make it the most fun to be around second hand smoke, I got/get too much second hand smoke by just being around my family, that being in a pub with it wouldn't help me enjoy my time there. However!!!, at the Celtic Tavern in Denver, they have a great ventalation system (very strong), and the room where the young musicians learn to play at group sessions is the same room where the men's club meets and smokes cigars, etc....when I go into this room, I would never have guessed that there were smokers in the pub or people smoking right next to me b/c of how good the system is. I'm guessing that it cost an arm and a leg to build, but if this ban is going into effect, maybe it's not such a bad idea to think about if the cost isn't too high to think about it
Have you been going to Jim's session, then, Karen!? That's great, I'm so glad to hear it! Celtic Ta vern's a great place, ain't it? Those systems do indeed cost a couple of limbs -- last one I saw was touted as a budget conscious version and was well over $2000, not including installation...
Just thinking of trevor's thing about nicotine and reduced risk of Alzheimer's. I imagine you're statistically more likely to be dead before Alzheimer's takes hold, from lung cancer, throat cancer, ischaemic heart disease. emphysema, or that horrible thing you get when the peripheral capillaries seize up and you get gangrene, first in your extremities, ie fingers and toes, which have to be amputated, then it keeps moving on and more bits have to be amputated. Called something like Buerkett's syndrome, and must be the saddest disease going, because the sufferers usually keep smoking up till the end.
I've a sneaky suspicion who might have funded that research programme...and it wouldn't be ICRF...
No-Smoke-Folk is becoming more popular around Yorkshire. Some of the major turns insist on a no-smoke night, others (plebs) insist on the turn being able to smoke (even in a normally non-smoking folk club).
Smoking was recently banned in all establishments in downtown Boston and a few other sections of the city, including Brookline, which hosts a few good sessions during the week. It hasn't affected the session scene at all there. In fact, a few of the musicians just up and quit smoking altogether, and the ones that didn't just go outside once in a while. Sure it's more of a pain but the music's more important than that. I think eventually the whole of Boston will get the smoking ban, including Somerville (home of the Burren) and to be honest, the scene is so strong that I don't see it affecting the music one bit.
Danny, I wonder if those nicotine studies were done using nicotine patches, so that no real smoking was involved. If that is the case then perhaps nicotine could appear in the army of medication to alleviate Alzheimer's. What do you think?
Trevor
Do you have a link or a reference for it? We do Alzheimer's research here.
Nicotine can be delivered orally, as in nicotine gum. Nicotine per se isn't the causative agent of cancer, but the tars in cigarette smoke are. However, smoking tobacco is the most efficacious method of nicotine delivery.
Nicotine has several effects on the peripheral autonomic and central nervous systems. It is an agonist at nicotinic cholinergic receptors in parasympathetic and sympathetic autonomic ganglia. Nicotine produces salivation, increases gastric motility and acid secretion, and releases catecholamines, resulting in cardiac stimulation and peripheral vasoconstriction. Nicotine is a central-nervous-system stimulant, producing increased alertness, increased attention and concentration, and appetite suppression.
That's right, innit, Craig?
So maybe it does do the same things as do the other factors which alleviate or obviate Alzheimer's.
Anyway, smoking kills you, that's for sure.
The best acoustic venue in the Raleigh area (Six String Cafe and Music Hall) has been non-smoking for its entire existence; you want to smoke you do so outside (speakers outside are tied in to the amplification system so you can hear).
Frankly, after spending too many formative years in smoke filled pubs, I'm glad to not come home reaking of cigarette smoke.
What a coincidence! The guy who does the Nicotine-Alzheimer research is based at Duke University, Durham, NC, that's near you isn't it?
Another little point - I find 2nd-hand cigarette detrimental to my flute playing, as, 'cos of Sod's law, cigarette smoke always ends up in the face of the nearest non-smoker, and it makes me cough, particularly when I attempt a solo.
I've always been given to understand that smoking tobacco leaf is a very different experience from smoking cigarettes, which include any amount of Stuff that the cig companies add for processing. Dunno that that really adds to the discussion.
The most popular pub AND the most popular night club in our town are non-smoking. Smokers can step outside to get their fix without bothering the other musicians or patrons, and children can come to the sessions without getting a lungful. It's great. And the wait staff appreciate it too.
There's saltpeter in fags, sorry cigs, which is also found in gunpowder. It helps keep them lit. But it's the tar which is the carcinogen. I think it's the nicotine which makes your legs and arms fall off.
Where I play, people almost exclusivly smoke roll ups at the table. These have the advantage of not nearly giving off as much passive ordinary cigs, plus, they go out as soon as they're put down (meaning they don't go up the flute players nose during a tune, and they're not wasted when someone – usually me – plays 40 reels instead of just three).
I tried smoking tobacco leaf once (after a ship’s container full of it got washed up on the shore after a storm, when I lived in Cornwall – aarrrrrr, those were the days). It was horrid – tasted like old dead leaves, strange as that may seem, and wouldn’t stay lit.
Anyway, I’m a non-smoker these days, and anyone who was involved in the last thread on this subject will know that I hate being around smoke, and have to avoid it anyway because of asthma. I don’t think it will be easy to make any sensible regulation work in Ireland, but whatever they do, ten years from now it’ll be very different, I bet.
Yes indeed, Trevor! There were also rumours about a container load of bikes, and one of trainers. The bikes never showed up at all... and I think only a few sea-damaged trainers floated ashore. The tobacco container came ashore intact though, and was breached on land by the 'wreckers'.
Everyone had carrier-bags full of those tobacco leaves and ended up throwing most of it away.. bleeeeucccchh.
We are looking for a guest speaker to give a seminar to Level 4 (Senior Honours in old Money) ANS students. Sounds like you have a good grasp of the topic. Since when did anyone from the EM unit ever know anything about nicotinic agonists??? I'm telling Monty you've turned into one of them.....Bloody Academics....
Sorry what was the thread again? Smoking in pubs. In fact my fag ends look damn fine jammed under the strings of my mandolin's head stock. Move aside Keith Richards - you're not cool anymore.
I thought all that stuff was common knowledge to all smokers -otherwise why would they continue smoking, knowing the deleterious effects.
Awaywi'ye, man! ask me about flies or confocals, I'm yer man. I did do some pharmacology years ago - it's amazing what sticks - doubly amazing knowing how many brain cells I've killed off over the years. I'm down to one monocell now - in fact my whole body is just one big giant neuron. In fact, if I were to dive into the sea I'd depolarise!
What's ANS? I could ask around the Institute here, but I'm not a proper academic, I just look after some labs. But tell Monty otherwise anyway, just to wind him up.
Just sussed out ANS. = Autonomic Nervous System. Silly me. I thought a degree subject, like Arthropod Neuro-Science, rather than a topic in the degree.
Not as much fun as CNS, but I know equally little of that.
While I believe in freedom of choice, I also support the same for those whose choice is to NOT have smoke in their lungs. My favorite quote to live by is "The right to swing your arm (or smoke your cigarette) ends where another man's (or woman's) nose begins" and not "What do they think this is? A bloody health club??" (although the latter is amusing and has a point, sort of).
I find that after a session in a pub the smell off my mandolin is horrible. i don't smoke and i don't mind other peolple smoking around me. This is maybe me being stupid(passive smoking and all that) but if they can do it in New York then why not here. making it hard for people to smoke is probably a good thing. If people like the music as much as the fags then i don't think it will make them stay away from there local smoke free session.
Zina, yes, I've been there, once *blush*, don't have time to get down town much...and yeah, I figured that those systems would be expensive, but it beats people telling me "If ya don't like the smoke, go somewhere else".....what kind of messed up defense is that!....sorry, tired tonight and live with smokers, what a hoot :/
I agree with the second hand smoke being a problem, I hate breathing in the stuff and not seeing any people my age around b/c of the smoke, and when I get home the smoke is in my clothes and my instrument and it is horrible....it makes it less enjoyable to play when you are so grossed out by the smell that you can't get away from and b/c there is a constant battle between the smokers and the non-smokers, I once asked a smoker to smoke in the other direction when he exhaled (I was polite and he just smoked it in my face....whoo!, good to know I left Basketball to be a musician!.......did I mention I was tired? Apologies to all who I just offended, I'm just frustrated b/c of not being to escape the smoke!!!
I'll just be quiet now, we now return you to your regular schedualed program.....
Has anyone considered why musicians hold sessions in pubs in the first place?
My local council is doing it's damndest to stop live music of any description in pubs without the venue having a licence, anti smoking campaigners are trying to outlaw smoking in all public places - including pubs. All we need now is someone to educate us all on the dangers of alcohol abuse and perhaps the insensitivity of propagating dirty jokes and we've got the full set!!!
Why doesn't everyone come round to my house - we have plenty of free drink, no closing time, you can smoke out on the patio if you so wish - but most importantly you can join in a session with like minded individuals and play your tunes - it's your choice!
There'll be more kitchen sessions here as a result - I don't exactly look forward to having to stand outside in the pishing rain to have a wee puff.
I know all the usual health stories - blah de blah - but has anyone considered the loss in revenue, jobs, etc that will result. I don't think waiting staff will be pleased to ahve a smoke free pub if it costs them their jobs!
And if we are going to ban stuff on the basis that it's bad for you what about booze, cars, butter, deep fried pizza [the scots'll know all about that one!] etc.
HEY - Roll on the return of prohibition and Al Capone!
I kid you not - this culinary delight follows this recipe.
Remove one frozen pizza from the freezer, drop it [carefully] into the deep fat frier, wait for a min or so, remove from deep fat frier, fold in half, insert into brown paper bag [which instantly absorbs about 10% of the fat], hand to patron and relieve them of their money.
I tell ye all that the scots are a terrifying race of people. Be afraid, be very afraid!
Not to mention deep fried Mars Bars (a kind of chocolate bar). Again usually consumed with chips (french fries). Also true, and also Scottish. There's nothing to beat a haggis supper, though, ie deep fried haggis and chips. Mmmmm.
That plus 20 Capstan Full Strength and you can book a place at your local undertakers.
Oh. My. God. That's simply amazing. I love food -- I'm a total foodie, and it's starting to really show at the waistline -- and that's so way past a total affront to the title of "food" that I'm simply astounded by it. *grin*
no,they're not!
for confirmation you can read anthony bourdain's book:'a cook's tour' or some title like that.look at the chapter on britain and there you have it
Erg. I thought Chinese doughnuts were bad. A fried Mars Bar. Who the hell came up with THAT idea? And...a fried pizza. Sheeeeesh. Fried pizza? My mind just keeps going blank and repetitive at the prospect. Heh.
Zina - Europeans often say, wrt strange social phenomena, "It could only happen in America"...
On a lesser scale, but no less intended, the rest of the UK might be heard, if it weren't for the sound of moaning, retching and the splash of vomit, to say, "It could only happen in Glasgow".
They wink and nod to other Europeans as would a family members who were in charge of wayward adolescent son might do when other families on the beach stare at the antics of the quare fella. Yet yer man might be proud of his waywardness...as we Glaswegians are where'er we may be.
Although i quite like some of the new-age haggis coming around these days. Not nearly so oatmeally and heavy. I had quite a nice one last Burns Night I went to, in, of all places, Lincoln, Nebraska...
So about this session at my place then!! Smokers can smoke in the conservatory. Zina can try her hand at deep frying mars bars and the rest of us can see if we can induce temporary blindness whilst playing "the maid behind the bar" and snorting some of great uncle Johnny's moonshine!!! Any takers
Smoking in pubs
Smoking in pubs
As of the 1st of January 2004 smoking is banned in Irish pubs. (I think thats the date anyway!!) Anybody got any views on this?? I think its an awful pity as many great musicians I know are smokers and will stop going to sessions because of this law. I'm not a smoker myself and I don't mind being with smokers.
What about the man who enjoys a social drink once a week in a quiet pub and wants a drag on his pipe? What will happen to him?? If people don't want to around smoke then they can leave the pub and visit the off-licence.
OK bring on the anti-smoking campaigners!!!!
Carrie*
# Posted on June 21st 2003 by carrie
Re: Smoking in pubs
Smoking indoors in public places such as pubs, cafes, shopping centres etc has been banned here in Australia for a couple of years. Maybe we've just got used to it, but it doesn't seem to have hurt the session scene (just too busy enjoying the music I guess
(As a side note tobacco advertising has been banned here since I think the late 70s/early 80s - someone correct me if I've got the date wrong
It will interesting to see how the change effects things in Ireland; here in Oz non-smokers heavy outnumber smokers, so let us know how it goes
Regards
Morgana
# Posted on June 21st 2003 by Ptollemy
Re: Smoking in pubs
I saw a news item the other day that studies indicate that nicotine helps stave off the onset and symptoms of Alzheimer's. A separate study purports to show that using one's brain into old age by playing music, learning new languages, and other difficult cerebral activities, also tends to stave off age-related mental deterioration. So where does this leave musicians who like to smoke? Btw, like Carrie, I'm a non-smoker, but being in the company of smokers has never bothered me at all.
Trevor
# Posted on June 21st 2003 by lazyhound
Re: Smoking in pubs
We discussed this at length a while back:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display.php/1355
It got quite heated, and I got a yellow card from Jeremy, so I'll say just, that in principle I think it's a good idea.
But I agree with Zina's initial observation, how are they going to make it stick.
Danny.
# Posted on June 21st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Smoking in pubs
I have looked over Jordan, and I have seen the promised land.
PP
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by Pied Piper
Re: Smoking in pubs
Good. Have a nice trip & don't hurry back.
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Smoking in pubs
I think that it's a good idea as well, I have many health issues already at 16, doesn't make it the most fun to be around second hand smoke, I got/get too much second hand smoke by just being around my family, that being in a pub with it wouldn't help me enjoy my time there. However!!!, at the Celtic Tavern in Denver, they have a great ventalation system (very strong), and the room where the young musicians learn to play at group sessions is the same room where the men's club meets and smokes cigars, etc....when I go into this room, I would never have guessed that there were smokers in the pub or people smoking right next to me b/c of how good the system is. I'm guessing that it cost an arm and a leg to build, but if this ban is going into effect, maybe it's not such a bad idea to think about if the cost isn't too high to think about it
-Karen
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by BluFiddle
Re: Smoking in pubs
Have you been going to Jim's session, then, Karen!? That's great, I'm so glad to hear it! Celtic Ta vern's a great place, ain't it? Those systems do indeed cost a couple of limbs -- last one I saw was touted as a budget conscious version and was well over $2000, not including installation...
zls
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Smoking in pubs
Just thinking of trevor's thing about nicotine and reduced risk of Alzheimer's. I imagine you're statistically more likely to be dead before Alzheimer's takes hold, from lung cancer, throat cancer, ischaemic heart disease. emphysema, or that horrible thing you get when the peripheral capillaries seize up and you get gangrene, first in your extremities, ie fingers and toes, which have to be amputated, then it keeps moving on and more bits have to be amputated. Called something like Buerkett's syndrome, and must be the saddest disease going, because the sufferers usually keep smoking up till the end.
I've a sneaky suspicion who might have funded that research programme...and it wouldn't be ICRF...
Danny.
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Smoking in pubs
No-Smoke-Folk is becoming more popular around Yorkshire. Some of the major turns insist on a no-smoke night, others (plebs) insist on the turn being able to smoke (even in a normally non-smoking folk club).
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by geoffwright
Re: Smoking in pubs
Smoking was recently banned in all establishments in downtown Boston and a few other sections of the city, including Brookline, which hosts a few good sessions during the week. It hasn't affected the session scene at all there. In fact, a few of the musicians just up and quit smoking altogether, and the ones that didn't just go outside once in a while. Sure it's more of a pain but the music's more important than that. I think eventually the whole of Boston will get the smoking ban, including Somerville (home of the Burren) and to be honest, the scene is so strong that I don't see it affecting the music one bit.
Cara
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by carafiddle
Re: Smoking in pubs
Danny, I wonder if those nicotine studies were done using nicotine patches, so that no real smoking was involved. If that is the case then perhaps nicotine could appear in the army of medication to alleviate Alzheimer's. What do you think?
Trevor
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by lazyhound
Re: Smoking in pubs
Do you have a link or a reference for it? We do Alzheimer's research here.
Nicotine can be delivered orally, as in nicotine gum. Nicotine per se isn't the causative agent of cancer, but the tars in cigarette smoke are. However, smoking tobacco is the most efficacious method of nicotine delivery.
Nicotine has several effects on the peripheral autonomic and central nervous systems. It is an agonist at nicotinic cholinergic receptors in parasympathetic and sympathetic autonomic ganglia. Nicotine produces salivation, increases gastric motility and acid secretion, and releases catecholamines, resulting in cardiac stimulation and peripheral vasoconstriction. Nicotine is a central-nervous-system stimulant, producing increased alertness, increased attention and concentration, and appetite suppression.
That's right, innit, Craig?
So maybe it does do the same things as do the other factors which alleviate or obviate Alzheimer's.
Anyway, smoking kills you, that's for sure.
Danny.
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Smoking in pubs
The best acoustic venue in the Raleigh area (Six String Cafe and Music Hall) has been non-smoking for its entire existence; you want to smoke you do so outside (speakers outside are tied in to the amplification system so you can hear).
Frankly, after spending too many formative years in smoke filled pubs, I'm glad to not come home reaking of cigarette smoke.
--Dave
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by Dave Weinstein
Re: Smoking in pubs
What a coincidence! The guy who does the Nicotine-Alzheimer research is based at Duke University, Durham, NC, that's near you isn't it?
Another little point - I find 2nd-hand cigarette detrimental to my flute playing, as, 'cos of Sod's law, cigarette smoke always ends up in the face of the nearest non-smoker, and it makes me cough, particularly when I attempt a solo.
danny
# Posted on June 22nd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Smoking in pubs
I've always been given to understand that smoking tobacco leaf is a very different experience from smoking cigarettes, which include any amount of Stuff that the cig companies add for processing. Dunno that that really adds to the discussion.
zls
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Smoking in pubs
The most popular pub AND the most popular night club in our town are non-smoking. Smokers can step outside to get their fix without bothering the other musicians or patrons, and children can come to the sessions without getting a lungful. It's great. And the wait staff appreciate it too.
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by lcox
Re: Smoking in pubs
There's saltpeter in fags, sorry cigs, which is also found in gunpowder. It helps keep them lit. But it's the tar which is the carcinogen. I think it's the nicotine which makes your legs and arms fall off.
Danny.
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Smoking in pubs
Where I play, people almost exclusivly smoke roll ups at the table. These have the advantage of not nearly giving off as much passive ordinary cigs, plus, they go out as soon as they're put down (meaning they don't go up the flute players nose during a tune, and they're not wasted when someone – usually me – plays 40 reels instead of just three).
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by llig leahcim
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I tried smoking tobacco leaf once (after a ship’s container full of it got washed up on the shore after a storm, when I lived in Cornwall – aarrrrrr, those were the days). It was horrid – tasted like old dead leaves, strange as that may seem, and wouldn’t stay lit.
Anyway, I’m a non-smoker these days, and anyone who was involved in the last thread on this subject will know that I hate being around smoke, and have to avoid it anyway because of asthma. I don’t think it will be easy to make any sensible regulation work in Ireland, but whatever they do, ten years from now it’ll be very different, I bet.
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by Nell
Re: Smoking in pubs
Helen, nice to see that the good old Cornish traditions are still around
Trevor
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by lazyhound
Re: Smoking in pubs
Yes indeed, Trevor! There were also rumours about a container load of bikes, and one of trainers. The bikes never showed up at all... and I think only a few sea-damaged trainers floated ashore. The tobacco container came ashore intact though, and was breached on land by the 'wreckers'.
Everyone had carrier-bags full of those tobacco leaves and ended up throwing most of it away.. bleeeeucccchh.
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by Nell
Re: Smoking in pubs
Danny,
We are looking for a guest speaker to give a seminar to Level 4 (Senior Honours in old Money) ANS students. Sounds like you have a good grasp of the topic. Since when did anyone from the EM unit ever know anything about nicotinic agonists??? I'm telling Monty you've turned into one of them.....Bloody Academics....
Sorry what was the thread again? Smoking in pubs. In fact my fag ends look damn fine jammed under the strings of my mandolin's head stock. Move aside Keith Richards - you're not cool anymore.
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by bouzyboy
Re: Smoking in pubs
I thought all that stuff was common knowledge to all smokers -otherwise why would they continue smoking, knowing the deleterious effects.
Awaywi'ye, man! ask me about flies or confocals, I'm yer man. I did do some pharmacology years ago - it's amazing what sticks - doubly amazing knowing how many brain cells I've killed off over the years. I'm down to one monocell now - in fact my whole body is just one big giant neuron. In fact, if I were to dive into the sea I'd depolarise!
What's ANS? I could ask around the Institute here, but I'm not a proper academic, I just look after some labs. But tell Monty otherwise anyway, just to wind him up.
Tee-Hee..
Danny.
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Just sussed out ANS. = Autonomic Nervous System. Silly me. I thought a degree subject, like Arthropod Neuro-Science, rather than a topic in the degree.
Not as much fun as CNS, but I know equally little of that.
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Smoking in pubs
While I believe in freedom of choice, I also support the same for those whose choice is to NOT have smoke in their lungs. My favorite quote to live by is "The right to swing your arm (or smoke your cigarette) ends where another man's (or woman's) nose begins" and not "What do they think this is? A bloody health club??" (although the latter is amusing and has a point, sort of).
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by banjoscout
Re: Smoking in pubs
I find that after a session in a pub the smell off my mandolin is horrible. i don't smoke and i don't mind other peolple smoking around me. This is maybe me being stupid(passive smoking and all that) but if they can do it in New York then why not here. making it hard for people to smoke is probably a good thing. If people like the music as much as the fags then i don't think it will make them stay away from there local smoke free session.
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by Celtic1234
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Zina, yes, I've been there, once *blush*, don't have time to get down town much...and yeah, I figured that those systems would be expensive, but it beats people telling me "If ya don't like the smoke, go somewhere else".....what kind of messed up defense is that!....sorry, tired tonight and live with smokers, what a hoot :/
I agree with the second hand smoke being a problem, I hate breathing in the stuff and not seeing any people my age around b/c of the smoke, and when I get home the smoke is in my clothes and my instrument and it is horrible....it makes it less enjoyable to play when you are so grossed out by the smell that you can't get away from and b/c there is a constant battle between the smokers and the non-smokers, I once asked a smoker to smoke in the other direction when he exhaled (I was polite
and he just smoked it in my face....whoo!, good to know I left Basketball to be a musician!.......did I mention I was tired? Apologies to all who I just offended, I'm just frustrated b/c of not being to escape the smoke!!!
I'll just be quiet now, we now return you to your regular schedualed program.....
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by BluFiddle
Re: Smoking in pubs
Has anyone considered why musicians hold sessions in pubs in the first place?
My local council is doing it's damndest to stop live music of any description in pubs without the venue having a licence, anti smoking campaigners are trying to outlaw smoking in all public places - including pubs. All we need now is someone to educate us all on the dangers of alcohol abuse and perhaps the insensitivity of propagating dirty jokes and we've got the full set!!!
Why doesn't everyone come round to my house - we have plenty of free drink, no closing time, you can smoke out on the patio if you so wish - but most importantly you can join in a session with like minded individuals and play your tunes - it's your choice!
# Posted on June 23rd 2003 by mikemcdaid
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There'll be more kitchen sessions here as a result - I don't exactly look forward to having to stand outside in the pishing rain to have a wee puff.
I know all the usual health stories - blah de blah - but has anyone considered the loss in revenue, jobs, etc that will result. I don't think waiting staff will be pleased to ahve a smoke free pub if it costs them their jobs!
And if we are going to ban stuff on the basis that it's bad for you what about booze, cars, butter, deep fried pizza [the scots'll know all about that one!] etc.
HEY - Roll on the return of prohibition and Al Capone!
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by breandan
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Deep fried pizza?! You've got to be joking me. I thought the fried Mars bars were quite away enough...
So, Mike, are you saying that smokers aren't allowed in the actual house?
zls
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Smoking in pubs
I kid you not - this culinary delight follows this recipe.
Remove one frozen pizza from the freezer, drop it [carefully] into the deep fat frier, wait for a min or so, remove from deep fat frier, fold in half, insert into brown paper bag [which instantly absorbs about 10% of the fat], hand to patron and relieve them of their money.
I tell ye all that the scots are a terrifying race of people. Be afraid, be very afraid!
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by breandan
Re: Smoking in pubs
Not to mention deep fried Mars Bars (a kind of chocolate bar). Again usually consumed with chips (french fries). Also true, and also Scottish. There's nothing to beat a haggis supper, though, ie deep fried haggis and chips. Mmmmm.
That plus 20 Capstan Full Strength and you can book a place at your local undertakers.
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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breandan, I am deeply offended!!!
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by BluFiddle
Re: Smoking in pubs
Oh. My. God. That's simply amazing. I love food -- I'm a total foodie, and it's starting to really show at the waistline -- and that's so way past a total affront to the title of "food" that I'm simply astounded by it. *grin*
zls
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Zina Lee
You're SURE you guys aren't just taking the piss?
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Smoking in pubs
no,they're not!
for confirmation you can read anthony bourdain's book:'a cook's tour' or some title like that.look at the chapter on britain and there you have it
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by biggus dave
Re: Smoking in pubs
Erg. I thought Chinese doughnuts were bad. A fried Mars Bar. Who the hell came up with THAT idea? And...a fried pizza. Sheeeeesh. Fried pizza?
My mind just keeps going blank and repetitive at the prospect. Heh.
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Zina Lee
Doesn't all the chocolate melt off?
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Smoking in pubs
Zina - not when it's fried in batter!!
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by breandan
Re: Smoking in pubs
Zina - Europeans often say, wrt strange social phenomena, "It could only happen in America"...
On a lesser scale, but no less intended, the rest of the UK might be heard, if it weren't for the sound of moaning, retching and the splash of vomit, to say, "It could only happen in Glasgow".
They wink and nod to other Europeans as would a family members who were in charge of wayward adolescent son might do when other families on the beach stare at the antics of the quare fella. Yet yer man might be proud of his waywardness...as we Glaswegians are where'er we may be.
So Be Prepared.
Not frightened.
Danny.
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Smoking in pubs
They BATTER it? Urg.... LOL -- suddenly I feel like going on a strict diet... Hey, this could be really good for me... Keep it up, lads!
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Zina Lee
Although i quite like some of the new-age haggis coming around these days. Not nearly so oatmeally and heavy. I had quite a nice one last Burns Night I went to, in, of all places, Lincoln, Nebraska...
# Posted on June 24th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Smoking in pubs
So about this session at my place then!! Smokers can smoke in the conservatory. Zina can try her hand at deep frying mars bars and the rest of us can see if we can induce temporary blindness whilst playing "the maid behind the bar" and snorting some of great uncle Johnny's moonshine!!! Any takers
# Posted on June 25th 2003 by mikemcdaid
Re: Smoking in pubs
Don't tempt us Mike! - you might have the London Chapter of "The Session" down on your doorstep before you can say "Tatter Jack Walsh"!
Danny.
# Posted on June 25th 2003 by Key Maniac Lad