Seeing as there are a lot of very knowledgeable musicians on this site, can any of you point me in the direction of some good Indian music sites?
Also, the odd sheetmusic site wouldn't go amis either!
duh, how can you NOT get any results? google the following: Indian traditional music (and you could add hinustani or carnatic as well) and you will get lots of sites. It's YOUR job to wade through them to find what will suit YOUR needs. if you really want the info, easy enough to find.
That Danu vid is cool because they have all these get-togethers with Indian musicians. They hang out and play for each other, pretty cool. Of course Donnchadh can't resist, he goes and sits in with them and wacks the goat skin.
On a more esoteric level re: Danu, Ireland and India:
On a somewhat serious note, they had a program on the telly a little while ago where someone was putting together a performance of the Four Seasons, and including various instruments from outside the Western classical tradition (including Innuit throat-singers.)
Well, there was an Indian lady involved who played some sort of single-stringed fiddle (with all kinds of strange attachments.) Part of the discussion was how they managed to fit her into the ensemble when she couldn't read or relate to printed music.
So I'm guessing there's an Indian version of theSession out there somewhere with their own V.J. Gill who admonishes everyone to learn by ear, not from the dots!
For good explanations of Hindustani and Karnatak music, I would skip the internet and order the following relatively cheap (about $15 US) but very good books from Oxford's World Music series:
Music in North India
by George Ruckert
Music in South India
by Matthew Harp Allen and T. Vishwanathan
Also to add to the above list, T. Vishwanathan was a great Karnatak flute player.
Also, Hindustani and Karnatak musics are more or less classical, but there are also a plethora of folk traditions. For example, the album (on itunes), India: Travelling Musicians of the Desert, contains folk music from several caste groups in the state of Rajasthan. Often times, however, these folk musics are harder to come by in the West, but I might be able to help you to find more, if that's something you're interested in.
Also, film music is essentially India's pop music, probably the most widely listened to with the possible exception of religious music.
I have the Ravi Shankar book, My Music, My Life, with an Introduction by Yehudi Menuhin. It's pretty good, too.
Interesting excerpt:
"Many people have asked me if one must read, absorb, learn, and know about India's religions, philosophies, and spiritual atmosphere, or even come to India to visit and travel in order to understand our music, let alone play it. To this I would say yes, all this is necessary since our music is so closely connected to the complete unfolding of India's history and development. Should one want to become a performing artist of Indian music, this study is even more important. Without intense study of our traditions and culture, the music would appear false and synthetic." RS: MMML, p9.
Can one insert "Ireland" for "India;" does the idea transfer to ITM?
(As I read your OP, you wanted Indian music sites, and ALSO sheet music. )
I'm a lot closer to the indian tradition a than you might think so you typing out shankar's comment as a means to say i'm not ready to take up Indian Music is a bit daft.
Oh btw, you won the wooden spoon in the most helpful member to this discussion league table.
Next time you post, try and make it constructive rather than "is your google broken?" as an answer to my question.
Do you're own separate discussion then, it's not hard.
Click "Discussions"
Click "Submit a Discussion"
Fill in the title and put your quote in
Then put "Discuss" at the end
Then click "Next"
Then click "Confirm"
There are many other discussion forums that will be more helpful
go to google
type in "Indian music discussion"
you will find many sites that will answer your questions concerning Indian music
I have taught world music, I have studied it in graduate school. Not being trite here, just trying to help. But, you want others to find your answers, on an IRISH music forum... so it seems.
Yeah I reasoned my choice for putting this on an Irish discussion, again, you find other meanings in my words, perhaps it's coz you're a Yank who speaks strange English anyway.
Oh and actually, just because you have striven to be unhelpful here, doesn't mean that this discussion has not been good to me coz people have actually answered my question with good links. Maybe you can start to slag off me when you have given a link of info on it since you're knowledge on this particular subject knows no bounds from what I see you've written.
You taught world music? Considering you're response, I have to be sceptical. An academic on world music would know lots of info on it that he would be as willing to share with me considering he would have done that with his pupils.
If you want to learn Indian music, find a teacher and learn form them. In person. not from the dots. That's why there are no links to sheet music provided in my response.
and just who is slagging who (or should it be whom? hmmm)
Yes, maybe perhaps this is why I started off this discussion? To find as much info as I can on learning Indian Music. That would mean people giving me contacts for teachers wouldn't it?
Oh btw, thanks for the info you gave me. Took way too long, but at least you found it in your World Music brain to decide to show me it.
This is not a windup, what you have failed to do is read crazy_fingerz first reply which was an irrelevant one so I asked him why and that's why he said Wind Up. I'd learn to read
This place has turned into a casual and pointles chat room. Nothing can be taken seriously and posts cannot be moderated in some form. Feckin ridiculous
The relevance of my post is this: I was indicating, in what I hoped was an obviously lighthearted was, that the subject of your post was ill-chosen for a website dedicated to IRISH traditional music.
You have wasted just as many words as me in this rambling useless thread.
I chose to post it here because there are many knowledgeable musicians here. Alas, not in your case, otherwise you would have posted something relevant.
As it happens, I have been given some really informative links.
GUESS WHY IT IS USELESS, YANKEE??
Yes, the fact that you cannot post any relevant info makes it useless.
Think whatever you want about me. I was just explaining a few things, and no, I don't consider myself an expert. I am just a learner like everyone else.
In the process of learning, I have found that one doesn't learn about another's culture by just reading about it, or looking at sheet music.
Go ahead, have an opinion. big deal.
I find it interesting, though, the personal insults flung around here when someone doesn't agree or get what they want out of a discussion on a public forum.
There will not be a site like this one because Indian music works differently. Composed sections that might be shared on a site like this one comprise a relatively small part of Hindustani and Karnatak performance (a bigger part for Karnatak). It is possible to find books with compiled compositions of famous Karnatak composers, but they are more of a cliff notes version for reference than something you would learn and perform from (in my understanding). What is incredibly crucial is an understanding of the various ragas and their appropriate phrasing and ornamentation (very important), so that you can perform the composition correctly and successfully execute the improvisations before, during, and after the composed section. To do this really requires a teacher and is not really the sort of thing one could do easily on the internet. Indian music is much more difficult to glean from a resource like thesession.org that Irish music as we all know is.
Wyogal, it's nothing personal, just my 'bilge detector' at work though anybody who claims to 'have taught world music' really does need to take a reality check!
I hear what you are saying.
I have taught concepts about music that don't revolve soley around the "dead white guys from Vienna." (a quote from a student) Is that better?
To revise my earlier statement, I suppose one *could* create a site like this, at least for bhajans, Karnatak music, or possibly Qawwali, or other genres, but it would by nature be pretty limited, because of the structure of the music and that there's not really a sheet music learning tradition in India. If anything, you're more likely to learn something by singing or saying particular vocal syllables and transferring them to your instrument if you are directly learning on the instrument by ear. Such a site (with sa ri ga ma notation) might be useful as a reference like this one, but again, I think a person would really need to know what they're doing and/or have a lot of outside help for it to be useful.
Look for an Indian bookstore near you (there must be some in the UK) or google one, like southasiabooks.com or Nataraj Books here in the states. Amazon.com may also have books with some notation and books on raga. To read Indian notation, you have to know the raga already, so I think you will ultimately need a teacher either way.
Someone thinks DJF and I are the same person!!! Anyone who's been a member of this forum for any length of time will be able to notice the clear difference between us, and would probably be able to identify our posts without a name to them...
I love Indian music...keep me up to date with your search Dan, I'm looking forward to getting my yearly dose of raga.
Chapter 6 - A History of Folk Icons
By Mehitabel23
Dan is an eighteen year old who is currently perfecting his fiddle skills. He's also recently purchased a low whistle. He used to like classical music but he's come over to this side mostly because the craic is cheaper and of better quality. He likes Scandinavian and Shetland music and is off to study law next year and will be the first lawyer to specialise in session etiquette!
Now that is why I assume you are one and the same. Now go and get on with your revision and lay off the pro plus.
http://www.sitar.co.za/
is a good site for you D.J.F. Directs you to everything you asked for. I concur with jasonb's comments that while net ,book and audio resourses can help, you will need a teacher if you become serious about wanting to play indian music. I would not go to the extremes that wyogal does in saying that dots do not matter. Typically you learn from a teacher using dots for many years before you move to playing a raga. The dots are scales and excercises only. If you could get someone to show you how to handle the instrument and make a decent sound, years of playing those dots would give you the necessary understanding of the structure of a few ragas.
The site I mentioned directs you to where you can get those dots today. They are basically improvisations of the masters that became part of the teaching tradition as it was found that regular playing of these- sort of extended scales and arpegios- called 'Paltas' built a kind of reflex or intuitive understanding of the complex grammatical structure, the meaning and feeling of the raga.
I put that video together that Jumper mentions above (Dunmore Lasses) and am curious to know what session musicians think about it.
Itm
Itm
I like Indian Traditional Music at the moment.
Seeing as there are a lot of very knowledgeable musicians on this site, can any of you point me in the direction of some good Indian music sites?
Also, the odd sheetmusic site wouldn't go amis either!
Thanks
Please don't kill me Jeremy
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
Maybe you can return the favor by giving us some information about Idiots Transmitting Messages...
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
Re: Itm
What?
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
seems to be a recurring theme here these days....
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by the wounded hussar
Re: Itm
Guys, guys, guys
If you are not answering my ORIGINAL question, DON'T POST AT ALL.
It's really annoying seeing a new reply shown up on the discussions page only to find it is utter crap. This is a serious matter
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
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# Posted on June 9th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
Re: Itm
Is your google broken?
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
Good for you Dan. I can't help out myself but I love a good bit of Indian song
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by mehitabel23
Re: Itm
Wyogal I've tried google, no success. Though if you looked and found summat then yeah, post it here.
Cheers Abby, though coz I can't sing, I prefer the tunes!
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
Is this the sort of thing you mean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNehLyM7Ow
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by grego
Re: Itm
How about Part 1 of 5, Danu Goes to India?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slMup28bKRQ&hl=en
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Itm
You've got to be kidding...
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
http://www.kksongs.org/ragamala
Dadaaaaa!!!
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by mehitabel23
Re: Itm
Ffs you're all pricks ~ cept for you Abby
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
And that vid is good thanks SWFL...didn't see that til i'd posted my other post
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
duh, how can you NOT get any results? google the following: Indian traditional music (and you could add hinustani or carnatic as well) and you will get lots of sites. It's YOUR job to wade through them to find what will suit YOUR needs. if you really want the info, easy enough to find.
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
That Danu vid is cool because they have all these get-togethers with Indian musicians. They hang out and play for each other, pretty cool. Of course Donnchadh can't resist, he goes and sits in with them and wacks the goat skin.
On a more esoteric level re: Danu, Ireland and India:
the mother goddess of the Tuatha Dé Danann - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu_%28Irish_goddess%29
a Hindu primordial goddess, is mentioned in the Rigveda, mother of the Danavas - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu_%28Hindu_goddess%29
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Itm
On a somewhat serious note, they had a program on the telly a little while ago where someone was putting together a performance of the Four Seasons, and including various instruments from outside the Western classical tradition (including Innuit throat-singers.)
Well, there was an Indian lady involved who played some sort of single-stringed fiddle (with all kinds of strange attachments.) Part of the discussion was how they managed to fit her into the ensemble when she couldn't read or relate to printed music.
So I'm guessing there's an Indian version of theSession out there somewhere with their own V.J. Gill who admonishes everyone to learn by ear, not from the dots!
The tabla on that Danu video was (were?) awesome!
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by grego
Re: Itm
What about CVPITMII?
(Classical Violinist Playing Irish Traditional Music In India)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTephwA_WrQ
Seriously though, that whole Apap in India series is worth looking up
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by airport
Re: Itm
Tabla players know that if they don't cut the mustard, they might come back as bodhran players.
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Itm
You could try this one for starters:
http://www.musicindiaonline.com.
# Posted on June 9th 2008 by Floss the Tethers
Re: Itm
More or less off the top of my head, look for videos of any of the following on youtube:
Karnatak violin:
M. S. Gopalakrishnan
L. Subramaniam
L. Shankar
Lalgudi Jayaraman
Hindustani violin:
N. Rajam
Kala Ramnath
Sitar:
Ravi Shankar
Anoushka Shankar
Nikhil Banerjee
Vilyat Khan
Sarod:
Ali Akbar Khan
Ustad Alludin Khan
Sarangi:
Ram Narayan
Tabla:
Allah Rakha
Karnatak Vocal:
M. S. Subalakshmi
T. Brinda
Qawwali (Vocal):
Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
Film singers:
Lata Mangeshkar
Asha Bhosle
Hariharan
A. R. Rahman
Mohammed Rafi
Dharmendra
Film Composers:
Naushad
A. R. Rahman
R. D. Burman
That's who I can think of right now. Shoot me an email through the members section of the site for more info.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by jasonb
Re: Itm
Many of these artists and more can be found on amazon.com or itunes.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by jasonb
Re: Itm
For good explanations of Hindustani and Karnatak music, I would skip the internet and order the following relatively cheap (about $15 US) but very good books from Oxford's World Music series:
Music in North India
by George Ruckert
Music in South India
by Matthew Harp Allen and T. Vishwanathan
Also to add to the above list, T. Vishwanathan was a great Karnatak flute player.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by jasonb
Re: Itm
Also, Hindustani and Karnatak musics are more or less classical, but there are also a plethora of folk traditions. For example, the album (on itunes), India: Travelling Musicians of the Desert, contains folk music from several caste groups in the state of Rajasthan. Often times, however, these folk musics are harder to come by in the West, but I might be able to help you to find more, if that's something you're interested in.
Also, film music is essentially India's pop music, probably the most widely listened to with the possible exception of religious music.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by jasonb
Re: Itm
Hey wyogal, I don't remember saying I found no results. What I meant by "no success" was that I hadn't found the things I was looking for.
If you read the OP then you'll notice that I'm looking for sheetmusic sites too
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
I have the Ravi Shankar book, My Music, My Life, with an Introduction by Yehudi Menuhin. It's pretty good, too.
Interesting excerpt:
"Many people have asked me if one must read, absorb, learn, and know about India's religions, philosophies, and spiritual atmosphere, or even come to India to visit and travel in order to understand our music, let alone play it. To this I would say yes, all this is necessary since our music is so closely connected to the complete unfolding of India's history and development. Should one want to become a performing artist of Indian music, this study is even more important. Without intense study of our traditions and culture, the music would appear false and synthetic." RS: MMML, p9.
Can one insert "Ireland" for "India;" does the idea transfer to ITM?
(As I read your OP, you wanted Indian music sites, and ALSO sheet music. )
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
I'm a lot closer to the indian tradition a than you might think so you typing out shankar's comment as a means to say i'm not ready to take up Indian Music is a bit daft.
Oh btw, you won the wooden spoon in the most helpful member to this discussion league table.
Next time you post, try and make it constructive rather than "is your google broken?" as an answer to my question.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
It was not in any way an argument, I just thought it was interesting as it may apply to Irish trad.
gee whiz....
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
Do you're own separate discussion then, it's not hard.
Click "Discussions"
Click "Submit a Discussion"
Fill in the title and put your quote in
Then put "Discuss" at the end
Then click "Next"
Then click "Confirm"
Bob's your Uncle
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
wow, pretty defensive, eh?
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
I'm stressed from exams so that isn't helping. You don't seem to help much though which doesn't help anything
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
There are many other discussion forums that will be more helpful
go to google
type in "Indian music discussion"
you will find many sites that will answer your questions concerning Indian music
I have taught world music, I have studied it in graduate school. Not being trite here, just trying to help. But, you want others to find your answers, on an IRISH music forum... so it seems.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
Yeah I reasoned my choice for putting this on an Irish discussion, again, you find other meanings in my words, perhaps it's coz you're a Yank who speaks strange English anyway.
Oh and actually, just because you have striven to be unhelpful here, doesn't mean that this discussion has not been good to me coz people have actually answered my question with good links. Maybe you can start to slag off me when you have given a link of info on it since you're knowledge on this particular subject knows no bounds from what I see you've written.
You taught world music? Considering you're response, I have to be sceptical. An academic on world music would know lots of info on it that he would be as willing to share with me considering he would have done that with his pupils.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
If you want to learn Indian music, find a teacher and learn form them. In person. not from the dots. That's why there are no links to sheet music provided in my response.
and just who is slagging who (or should it be whom? hmmm)
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
"from"
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
You slagged me off for using an Irish forum.
Yes, maybe perhaps this is why I started off this discussion? To find as much info as I can on learning Indian Music. That would mean people giving me contacts for teachers wouldn't it?
Oh btw, thanks for the info you gave me. Took way too long, but at least you found it in your World Music brain to decide to show me it.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
DJF and Mehitabel23 are the same person I believe and the latter is answering the former's questions.
crazy_fingerz is right; it's windup or someone has multiple personality disorder and needs treatment immediately
Nurse...
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by Geoff Pollitt
Re: Itm
Geoff you're wrong
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
This is not a windup, what you have failed to do is read crazy_fingerz first reply which was an irrelevant one so I asked him why and that's why he said Wind Up. I'd learn to read
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
Those exams really aren't going well, DJF, are they?
Sorry you're feeling bad.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by grego
Re: Itm
Up the dosage.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
Re: Itm
This place has turned into a casual and pointles chat room. Nothing can be taken seriously and posts cannot be moderated in some form. Feckin ridiculous
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
DJF -- Kind of like a pub. If you can't stand the heat...
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
Re: Itm
Oh get lost crazy_fingerz you've wound me up enough already. If this was meant to be like a pub, why not go to a pub instead?
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
You have blown this all out of perspective. Take a deep breath. I am just some guy. Don't let me wind you up.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
Re: Itm
I don't think I would have quite got quite so annoyed if people like you hadn't posted such irrelevant replies.
Let's have a look at the first reply to this thread:
"Maybe you can return the favor by giving us some information about Idiots Transmitting Messages" ~ crazy_fingerz
You wound me up alright, what a fantastic informative USEFUL start to my thread, my best wishes go to you
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
Now, now ... deeeeep breath....
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by grego
Re: Itm
The relevance of my post is this: I was indicating, in what I hoped was an obviously lighthearted was, that the subject of your post was ill-chosen for a website dedicated to IRISH traditional music.
You have wasted just as many words as me in this rambling useless thread.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
Re: Itm
I chose to post it here because there are many knowledgeable musicians here. Alas, not in your case, otherwise you would have posted something relevant.
As it happens, I have been given some really informative links.
GUESS WHY IT IS USELESS, YANKEE??
Yes, the fact that you cannot post any relevant info makes it useless.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
DJF, if nothing else, this thread, particularly your contributions, have given me great amusement. All the best, now.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
Re: Itm
'I have taught world music, I have studied it in graduate school.'
This is the end of the world as we know it! I will now regard all wyogal's postings from the viewpoint of someone with a very long bargepole.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by Floss the Tethers
Re: Itm
Think whatever you want about me. I was just explaining a few things, and no, I don't consider myself an expert. I am just a learner like everyone else.
In the process of learning, I have found that one doesn't learn about another's culture by just reading about it, or looking at sheet music.
Go ahead, have an opinion. big deal.
I find it interesting, though, the personal insults flung around here when someone doesn't agree or get what they want out of a discussion on a public forum.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
There will not be a site like this one because Indian music works differently. Composed sections that might be shared on a site like this one comprise a relatively small part of Hindustani and Karnatak performance (a bigger part for Karnatak). It is possible to find books with compiled compositions of famous Karnatak composers, but they are more of a cliff notes version for reference than something you would learn and perform from (in my understanding). What is incredibly crucial is an understanding of the various ragas and their appropriate phrasing and ornamentation (very important), so that you can perform the composition correctly and successfully execute the improvisations before, during, and after the composed section. To do this really requires a teacher and is not really the sort of thing one could do easily on the internet. Indian music is much more difficult to glean from a resource like thesession.org that Irish music as we all know is.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by jasonb
Re: Itm
Wyogal, it's nothing personal, just my 'bilge detector' at work though anybody who claims to 'have taught world music' really does need to take a reality check!
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by Floss the Tethers
Re: Itm
I hear what you are saying.
I have taught concepts about music that don't revolve soley around the "dead white guys from Vienna." (a quote from a student) Is that better?
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by wyogal
Re: Itm
jason. Thank you for your very helpfull information that directly offers considerable help to the discussion query. Brilliant stuff.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by Ionannas
Re: Itm
No problem, lonannas. My pleasure.
To revise my earlier statement, I suppose one *could* create a site like this, at least for bhajans, Karnatak music, or possibly Qawwali, or other genres, but it would by nature be pretty limited, because of the structure of the music and that there's not really a sheet music learning tradition in India. If anything, you're more likely to learn something by singing or saying particular vocal syllables and transferring them to your instrument if you are directly learning on the instrument by ear. Such a site (with sa ri ga ma notation) might be useful as a reference like this one, but again, I think a person would really need to know what they're doing and/or have a lot of outside help for it to be useful.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by jasonb
Re: Itm
Look for an Indian bookstore near you (there must be some in the UK) or google one, like southasiabooks.com or Nataraj Books here in the states. Amazon.com may also have books with some notation and books on raga. To read Indian notation, you have to know the raga already, so I think you will ultimately need a teacher either way.
Good luck!
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by jasonb
Re: Itm
Many thanks Jason
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by D.J.F.
Re: Itm
No problem. Let me know if I can help you with anything.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by jasonb
Re: Itm
Someone thinks DJF and I are the same person!!! Anyone who's been a member of this forum for any length of time will be able to notice the clear difference between us, and would probably be able to identify our posts without a name to them...
I love Indian music...keep me up to date with your search Dan, I'm looking forward to getting my yearly dose of raga.
# Posted on June 10th 2008 by mehitabel23
Re: Itm
Well, that was fun.
# Posted on June 11th 2008 by BarryM
Re: Itm
ssion >> Members >> D.J.F.
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Chapter 6 - A History of Folk Icons
By Mehitabel23
Dan is an eighteen year old who is currently perfecting his fiddle skills. He's also recently purchased a low whistle. He used to like classical music but he's come over to this side mostly because the craic is cheaper and of better quality. He likes Scandinavian and Shetland music and is off to study law next year and will be the first lawyer to specialise in session etiquette!
Now that is why I assume you are one and the same. Now go and get on with your revision and lay off the pro plus.
# Posted on June 11th 2008 by Geoff Pollitt
Re: Itm
I gave DJF some pro-plus once at about 8am in mid-August 2007. He didn't like it, as he will testify,
# Posted on June 11th 2008 by mehitabel23
Re: Itm
I have nothing weighty or witty to add to this thread. I'm sorry to have troubled you all. Good luck with it. My best to your folks.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Mairtin Lom
Re: Itm
I think Mehitabel23 is DJF's mum.
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Itm
http://www.indocelt.com/video/dunmore.mov
# Posted on June 12th 2008 by Jumper
Re: Itm
http://www.sitar.co.za/
is a good site for you D.J.F. Directs you to everything you asked for. I concur with jasonb's comments that while net ,book and audio resourses can help, you will need a teacher if you become serious about wanting to play indian music. I would not go to the extremes that wyogal does in saying that dots do not matter. Typically you learn from a teacher using dots for many years before you move to playing a raga. The dots are scales and excercises only. If you could get someone to show you how to handle the instrument and make a decent sound, years of playing those dots would give you the necessary understanding of the structure of a few ragas.
The site I mentioned directs you to where you can get those dots today. They are basically improvisations of the masters that became part of the teaching tradition as it was found that regular playing of these- sort of extended scales and arpegios- called 'Paltas' built a kind of reflex or intuitive understanding of the complex grammatical structure, the meaning and feeling of the raga.
I put that video together that Jumper mentions above (Dunmore Lasses) and am curious to know what session musicians think about it.
# Posted on August 8th 2008 by declan2