Can anyone please help with the name of this jig? It starts E low B E G F# E / high E, high D, high E B A G / F# E D high E, high D , high E / B A F# A F# D/
Sorry I don't know the more modern ABCs! It might also be played in a different key?? Has anyone any thoughts on what it might be called?Thank you
come on concertina player, this ABC is a synch to learn, wont take more than 20 minutes..... go here; http://www.lesession.co.uk/abc/abc_notation.htm
then you can do an ABC search....
ps I only just learnt it myself these past few weeks.
Ditto! ~ What jig said. If you want our help, help us ~ learn enough ABCs to at least give us a reasonable idea of what you're seeking, and some proof you've made some effort yourself, including having done some searching for it yourself, at least a little...
Here's your first intro, the notation of pitch, starting below the staff on the G, string of the fiddle and rising to the high d' above the treble staff (dots) ~
G, A, B, C D(just below the staff) E F
G A B c d e f g(just above the staff) a b c' d'
M: 6/8 = time signature
L: 1/8 = the value per note, so ABC = 3 x 1/8, A2 = 1/4, A3 = 3/8
K: Gmaj = G Major, with one accidental ~ F# = K: ADor = A Dorian
K: Dmaj = D Major, with two accidentals ~ F# & C# = K: EDor = E Dorian
D Major & E Dorian & b minor are 'relative keys', the same accidentals
Jigs are built on beats worth 3/8 each and the notes are grouped that way ~ for example ~
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
|: DED DEG | A2G ABc | BAG AGE | GEA GED |
DED DEG | A2G ABc | BAG AGE | GED D3 :|
And the bar lines, or '|', separate the beats into pairs to show the tune's meter is 6/8... Here's a bit of a 9/8 slip jig for comparison ~
B/ = 1/16 ~ the forward slash halves the value of the note that precedes it ~
Do a decent job transcribing it and we'll get back to you. At least make an effort...like for like... In fact, it has been given more consideration by us that you have given it so far... Don't just dump notes on us. For one, check out the setting from your notes and see if that is close. If it isn't, let us know. As it stands, no I don't recognize it as yet... Here are your notes again, or an attempt to make sense of them, as had been attempted earlier ~
It seems to suggest that the ede would be a point of 'agreement' in a traditional tune ~
ede BAG
ede BAF
ABCs are not modern, though the standardization as a useful ascii computer language is...with a few changes on the old way...
'Agreement' ~ might suggest this for the tune your after ~ divided into 4 bar phrases, with and without a lead-in note ~
X: 1
T: gan ainm
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: EDor (?)
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ede | BAF AFD |
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ede | BAF E3 :|
~ or ~
E |\
B,EG FEe | deB AGF | EDe deB | AFA FDE |
B,EG FEe | deB AGF | EDe deB | AFA E2 :|
So, hopefully you can see your scramble of notes is note quite enough for us to pin this down... If you want help, make some effort yourself, something that would bring some respect in return... So far you've had considerable 'consideration', even when not responding in kind...
If you know a link to the tune online, a fragment of it available for the ears, give us the link. That would help to pin down the notes and probably bring results... Often, making atempts as has happened so far, dislodges memory in someone else and another member may be able to pinpoint the tune for you...
Ceolachain, you have made seven postings above, some giving me advice on how to "do" ABCs, some going on about consideration, others going on about making an effort myself or whatever.
I have been playing/interested in Irish trad music on and off for thirty years( I was away from playing it for many years due to serious illness) and when I played, I and many others did quite well with what some might call the old ABCs, the system by which tunes were jotted down and passed around , sometimes on the backs on cigarette packets, beer mats or whatever was handy etc. The same system by which a lot of people still learn by in classes or whenever a tune is being shared, with no need for the more modern or up to date or whatever you want to call the ABCs used on computer systems.
I am just back playing and there are tunes coming back to me which I don't remember the names of. If I wanted to learn the more "modern"/ computer facilitating ABCs I would but I have no need or interest. However, what I certainly don't need is a lecture from you.If you know the name of the tune and want to give it to me, do so. If you don't know the name and you want to comment, say so. If you don't want to assist for whatever reason, don't. Do I care? I don't think so. You do realise that there is no law on this site forcing you to comment? The reality is that I know the tune- completely I just was curious about the name!
As has been mentioned before, you have a keyboard in front of you and if you don' t like the tread, just move on. Don't lecture me.As I have said, I just wanted to know the name of the tune...not a little lesson on consideration/respect and "not responding in kind" whatever the hell that is suppose to mean.
I know thats not directed at me but the point of my comment was that allthough i was happy to try and help i dont understand your notation.....which is why we suggest learning the system which is very simple.
so you say you have no need to learn the system, fine. so sorry, cant help you.
I too thought what would i gain from this system. however I do find it usefull for uploading tunes to this site and for finding the names of tunes doing an ABC search.......I cant read it but i just cut and paste into concertina.net convert-atron and voila there are the dots, which i can read.
ps it will also play it to in a way.
anyhow good luck in your search. enjoy
Come on concertinaplayer, ceolachan was just trying to explain the culture of this site. If you want to get members to help you then all you have to do is learn a bit about ABCs. As has been mentioned, you will then be able to do a search before asking others. 'c' has helped a great number of people on the site and ABC is the language of the site.
No jig, it wasn't aimed at you and I do take your point. If I have forgotten how a part of a tune goes, I will paste ABCs in to concertina.net and it is fine.
Hotspur, I don't really know what to say? "Culture of the site"??? Oh whatever ! What part of this is hard to get? I was just curious to know the name of the tune. End of story ! Just curious, that's all. No need to call the cops. No one will die !
I don't need to know it so badly that I will do a search( if I am not mistaken that facility, by what I read here,seems to be a flawed one). I will find the name of it somewhere else, the name of it will surface. No worries! And in the meantime, and if I never get the name, I will keep playing it. Jaysus, it's only the name of the tune.. !
On another note- a comparison- In the past when starting back playing and still housebound, my friends were kind enough to send me recordings of sessions. If the name of a tune from the distance past was bugging me, on a few occasions I would avail of Will CPT's kindness and when I would send him the clip, he would identify the tune and in fact on occasions write it out. No lecture, no telling me to go away and learn ABCs- just kindness. Christ, get over yourselves
As this is the thirteenth post and still no answer to C Ps query, the following question has often crossed my mind. Are there any Dyslexic players out there, and does the condition make the reading of the ABC format difficult. Am I right in thinking that the condition would have no effect on reading the dots. (assuming of course that you can read the dots) I had a friend who learnt many tunes using the Tonic Sol-fa method. What a pity we can't whistle a tune over the Internet, it would life so simple.
You don't need to make excuses for being sh*tty. I was actually trying to find your tune but needing you to help a little.
I too was raised on 'the old ABC system', which ~ was and is not a far distant from the new. Maybe some old dogs can't learn new tricks. For some of us it isn't a problem. If you can't see when someone is trying to help and feel the need to be an as*hole, I can't stop you. Fire away.
I am usually not too bad at digging up the names of tunes, given half a consideration. "Consideration" would have been to see people, including myself, were trying to help. But if you've got your head that far up your arse you can't see that ~ there's no more to say. If you had played this music for 100 years it doesn't qualify being a jerk...
Oh yeah, by the way, there aren't any limits on who says what where or how often. But I will stop trying to find your tune for you and this will be my last contribution here, since that seems to make you even more of a miserable old git. I wasn't commenting to wind you up. If you check the first contributions they are all about trying to find your tune for you, despite your inability to help in any way... Also, old ABCs and a past serious illness also don't give you any special dipensation to be a jerk... Some of us have had both and are not so inclined...
As a non-ABC reader (beyond the extreme basics) let me jump in, and perhaps you can enlighten me. I realize that there is a need to communicate the music in our wired world when you can’t hear the tune, but I can’t understand the difference between telling someone that they must learn to read music to ask a question and telling them they have to read/write ABC. How is it then ABC is good and sheet music-evil (to continue the theme)? To me they are EXACTLY the same thing. Let’s face it, it all comes down to the notes, plain and simple… and that’s what concertinaplayer described to you (even I can infer the length of the notes and it’s not difficult to figure out what low and high notes would refer to). Whether they make sense or not is irrelevant- I've come across a good few mistakes in the tunes section when people use ABCs :-0 C, no offense but the first few comments did read rather snippily (perhaps were interpretive hangovers from a previous thread, don't know).
Karma, boys. I’ve seen you all go above and WAY beyond to help others on the site, and this very much includes CP, and I see nothing wrong with asking a simple question of the board in return, even if its not asked in the language you prefer to hear (I also missed the formal language requirement when I signed on).
CR, I know, I said I was gone from here. CP claims to know old ABC, as do I, which stretches back a long way. That alone would have helped. Old ABC isn't that different from the new. Also, it was asked, if one existed, for a link to an audio representation of the tune, which would have helped where giving the notes better definition wasn't happening.
True, I can see that what I wrote to start sounds slightly impatient, and I don't doubt it overlaps from elsewhere. My apologies on that, but I wouldn't have commented at all except with the hopes to help if only a little more definition could be given. Old ABCs would have worked as much as the new, but not even that was attempted. I grouped the notes in one possible order, followed by question marks. I may have come off snippy and impatient, apologies there, but it was trying to find a result for the question posed.
It isn't the first time I've tried to or come up with an answer for CP. The door remains open to anyone who wants help, but in this case there didn't seem to be any attempt to help back, but maybe that was because, as you have said CR, I came of sounding snippy and impatient. CP isn't illiterate as far as notation goes, so it really wouldn't take much of an effort for him to help us in return for our trying to find him his tune title.
ABCs are dead easy to get a hand on, even more so if you already read some kind of music. It is a useful tool and has been for ages, including being used by the likes of Tom Billy Murphy (1875 - 1943) to pass on the notes to his pupils... I've never suggested that ABC was good and dots evil, not even a hint of that, though I will always say ears are best...
So, being possibly in a less than reasonable mood ~ apologies to all. I really was trying to find your tune for you concertinaplayer, however you read those first contributions...
... ah, I loved the idea that it would be a tune submitted by Will CPT. Still hoping.
C, ears of course are best, wish mine were better, and I didn't mean to imply that you had said notes were evil, just the common theme around here. Just wanted to say that I never could understand the difference and what made one seemingly better than the other. keep doing what you're doing, all of ye good folk, just cut people slack once in a while.
(and thanks C, didn't know who Tom Billy was- learned something new of all this too)
When i tried to decipher the original notes i started to wonder which were high and low. looking back it was pretty obvious. but nonethe less i didnt get it.
Using lower case letters for the high notes c and above just makes it clearer for me...... sorry perhaps[perhaps!] im just a bit thick
but re notation. i am all in favour of it, i spent decades playing and struggling to learn tunes from cds etc till i learnt to read. [see what i mean thick ]
From Leo Rowsome to Pagraig O'Keeffe[ spelling?] trad players have used notation systems for different reasons.
Jig, I've tried my hand at some ABC transcriptions and searches to find tunes and names and haven't had too many successes, but there have been a few, so I know it can be done. I can definitely see the benefits. I have only a slightly better hit rate when I ask people what a tune is when playing it, though I like to think its really because they don't know the name, but really there's no saying its not my playing that confuses the issue.
C, I hope you're doing better and hopefully the same can be said for CP too.
"I never could understand the difference" ~ Cailin Rua
On a basic difference, one mentioned by CP ~
"ABCs, the system by which tunes were jotted down and passed around , sometimes on the backs on cigarette packets, beer mats or whatever was handy etc." ~ concertinaplayer
You can get a few tunes on a beer mat, but if all you need for a memory jog is a couple of bars, you could probably get a dozen on a beer mat. You really can't do that with dots. I've managed maybe 3 complete 32 bar tunes on one beer mat, in very small print. Not all the old ABCers used bar lines and note groups, but that was how it had been taught to me and that was part of my notation. In the old way there was a mark made above the note for raising it higher, which is now, as an example, c', and a mark under the note for making it lower, which is now G,... One very old way was to actually double the note for a lower note, GG being the same as G, ~ the low string on the fiddle.
I knew quite a few musicians who could read the ABCs but not the dots... However, it wouldn't take them much to transfer the one ability to the other, as I've had the opportunity to prove, helping some folks to get past their block and start to read the dots... Mind you, they had great ears to start with.
ABCs are just more convenient to this tradition, more easily portable and once you've got it ~ much easier to write down than fussing with everything that dots demand, including the five lines of the staff...
Thank you Laitch, no it isn't Gallagher's Frolics although there is a similarity initially and I have been known to go into it by mistake when starting this tune. I also appreciate that by and large, everybody, myself included will help another musician to progress in whatever way we can. However, I did not intend that anybody would feel so strongly about *how* I asked my question. It was just a question- "does anybody know the name of this jig." If nobody answered, well no big deal. I would keep playing the tune anyway. if someone knew the answer, well that would be great too. If I played the tune in a pub and asked did anyone know the name I'd be a tad disappointed to be told that it was unrecognisable by how badly I played it, so thank God I don't have friends like that !!!!
But I did say it was a jig, I have six notes to a bar and named them as low or high if relevant to avoid the confusion on a computer of the stroke above and below as was mentioned by ceolachan.If I said to most players of my acquaintance, that a note was low it means below the octave as in below D and high meaning high D and beyond and I see that others understood perfectly what I meant
There also seems to be this sense that I should have done better in how I laid it out. Well I suppose that outlook can be taken but I laid it out the way I would if I was trying to give myself a reminder for the next day, of a tune heard in a pub.
But really it wasn't all that important. I never mentioned pain, never intended to say that because I played for X amount of time(and taking into account "time off" I haven't played *that* long) that that should have anything to do with it- I was just curious to know the name of the tune and to be honest would prefer to do without the tune name than be told where my head was and what I was and wasn't. In this case I don't think the tune name is that important , certainly not worth the lecture and I also didn't think that there were conditions on assistance. After all, if a person can't help that's fine. I'm not going to question their ability as a musician. Anyway lesson learnt and let that be the end of it.
If you have the inclination, as was said earlier, if you can provide a sound clip I may still be able to drum up a name for you, or to add the ABCs here for others to think on. If so, email me and I'll give you an email address where I can recieve an MP3 or WAV file of your playing it... If that happens I would be more than happy to at least transcribe it for you and for the interest of others...
Jeez, i for one am curious- name, ABCs, dots, lilt loudly enough to hear across the atlantic, anything please. Maybe some of us can get a new tune out of this (which can't be all bad).
Shows how semi-conscious I've been. I'd call it 'reasonable' too ~
"It starts E low B E G F# E / high E, high D, high E B A G / F# E D high E, high D , high E / B A F# A F# D/" ~ concertinaplayer
The forward slashes threw me, not initially realizing you were using them as bar lines, duh! (accepting my duncehood) There was something very familiar about the notes but something just didn't ring right as I played through them, and trying them in several ways, as being of equal value, as you'd given them, in groupings of 6 notes, and trying other ways ~ barring and note lengths. It still makes me concertina my brow when I play through the notes, because there is something familiar about it. That probably also accounts for why I wanted something more... I love mysteries, but I also find them frustrating. My memory often teases me but doesn't deliver, and that can be irritating. My wife gets irritated with it too, as this is the manifestation of my species of dyslexia. It is a shame when my irritation and frustration with myself overlaps into responding in a reactionary way to the comments of others.
There was never a question of your ability as a musician. I'm sorry if you read that into anything... Having an ability with this music doesn't require you to know any form of notation...
Just so you know there is involvement, while doing other chores, I have actually been trying searches, aside from through memory, also p;rint and elsewhere, including online. Sadly my own database went la-la when a new hard disk died on us and I haven't yet gotten back to that slog of rebuilding it. There are some fragments I haven't trawled yet but intend to. That is also why I'd hoped for more, as it would help me in the search. It is also why I offered to do a transcription if I could get an earful of it.
I allowed your response to push me over the edge:
"And the name of the tune is ???????????????"
Obviously I was not quite balanced to let that happen. At the time I had actually been trying my best to get you a name, to pin down the melody, not just for you, but for anyone else that might come across it and find a tune that would interest them... And I was, as said, feeling particularly frustrated and irritated with my oddly wired brain, which does not always cooperate...
As it is me, I will try again, whether or not it has any outside approval...
Thank you ceolachan. The tune was given to me a long time ago in dots and it is possible that it was changed into a key to appeal to the person who gave it to me. Whilst not impossibly difficult it might be considered a little "fiddle unfriendly" in a few parts. I will write it below with commas for low notes and apostrophes for high and have changed the bar line. I don't understand keys other than one sharp is G and two is D and so on, so the F and the C are sharp. So here go
Anyway, for me it is a lovely tune and because I have only started to re practice it, changing into it another key hasn't been tried yet especially as it doen't cause any undue difficulties for me as a concertina player. I am not sure I would be saying the same as a fiddle player !
Yes, as suspected, and what was frustrating me, I definitely know this tune ~ grrrrr!!! Damn that is familiar, also if I play some of that low, | EB,E GFE | E^DE BAG |... Yes, I had been giving it a try in other keys as well. The common changes in key include hearing something on an old recording, or a new one that had been sped up, and being a half to a full step off the original. But musicians will also change a thing so that it lies better on their particular instrument.
Here's yours again but in the modern ABCs, with a slight change on the 4th bar of the B-part, lowering the DB'D to DB,D ~
K: D Dorian
|: B, |\
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF AFD |
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF E2 :|
|: B |\
eBe gfe | dB^c def | edB BAF | EDB, DB,D |
EDB, GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF E2 :|
Still tired ~ the notated ^c is redundant, as E Dorian is the relative key to D Major, meaning f# & c#, or ^f & ^c. So that second measure of the B-part should just read ~
K: A Dorian (relative key with G Major)
|: E |\
AEA cBA | aga edc | BAG gag | edB dBG |
AEA cBA | aga edc | BAG gag | edB A2 :|
|: E |\
aea c'ba | gef gab | age edB | AGE GEG |
AGE cBA | aga edc | BAG gag | edB A2 :|
Still tired ~ no caffeine in the system yet... The lead-in for the B-part should be up an octave ~ with some alternate ways ~
|: e |\
aea c'ba | gef gab | age edB | A/B/cA G2 B |
AGE cBA | dcd egb | age dBG | edB A2 :|
That slip into an alternate take for the B-part may be a remembered second ending, or drawn out from a similar melody... It is one of the things that was coming to me last night. What was reassuring was that the B-part I kept slipping into from the initial notes was pretty much the one you've given...with some slight variations / differences...
Still frustrated, as I know it as you've given it, those two parts. I haven't yet sent out emails to a few others that love such mysteries and also know quite a lot of tunes...some of our other members. Some folks make a point to avoid questions like this, "what tune is this?" I can't blame them, after filling a number of them, I avoid the sprawling and chaotic requests list...
Dow, it was you, among a few, I was going to email... Yes, "Gallagher's Frolics", I knew there was another name somewhere, just up a few comments from here... Thanks... You at least know how such things can send me round the twist...
I'll send out at least 3 emails, but keep trying to pull out a title for this... It is good to find a name for an orphan tune, especially a nice on like this...
Yes ! That's it Dow ! And reading the comments on the tune , it would tie in with the type of source that that the chap who gave it to me would have got his tunes from. He loves to root out old recordings and introduce or re introduce old versions. So thank you all for the help and interest shown.
Nice one Mark, now I can rest... "The Pride of Erin", wouldn't you know. I knew the ceili band and its members too, and had some good times with the Nugent clan... No wonder it was driving me bonkers. I have them on vinyl too... You're a sweetheart Mark... Appreciated!!!
I was just coming back here to say 2 down and 3 to go. I don't have to send the other pending email... Now to move some of these alternate takes into the 'comments'...
I love it how you knew the tune and spent ages searching for it and posting comments, only to end up irritating someone, whilst I swanned onto the thread at the last minute and found the tune in a matter of seconds by a fluke abc search even though I've never heard it before. That must really annoy you 'c'
Nope, I'm really pleased. I knew you could do it... I couldn't let go of the way I was hearing it, stuck in a few possibilities and missing some obvious ones.
It was really driving me crazy, and I was even on it very late last night, early this morning ~ being rediculously critical with myself ~ "YOU KNOW THIS DAMN IT!" It can get really frustrating. As I've said, it is the same reason I was shight at taking exams. I'd know I knew something but couldn't get my damned brain to cough it up, at least not in time... Most of the searching was my beating my head over it, slap, slap, slap ~ OUT WITH IT!!!
Thanks loads for the help Mark, it really is a welcome relief, and it means, now I've got it again I'll be able to pass it on... At least you will understand, I hope...
Tune Name
Tune Name
Can anyone please help with the name of this jig? It starts E low B E G F# E / high E, high D, high E B A G / F# E D high E, high D , high E / B A F# A F# D/
Sorry I don't know the more modern ABCs! It might also be played in a different key?? Has anyone any thoughts on what it might be called?Thank you
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by concertinaplayer
Re: Tune Name
come on concertina player, this ABC is a synch to learn, wont take more than 20 minutes..... go here; http://www.lesession.co.uk/abc/abc_notation.htm
then you can do an ABC search....
ps I only just learnt it myself these past few weeks.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
Re: Tune Name
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ede | BAF AFD | ~ ???
Ditto! ~ What jig said. If you want our help, help us ~ learn enough ABCs to at least give us a reasonable idea of what you're seeking, and some proof you've made some effort yourself, including having done some searching for it yourself, at least a little...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Tune Name
Here's your first intro, the notation of pitch, starting below the staff on the G, string of the fiddle and rising to the high d' above the treble staff (dots) ~
G, A, B, C D(just below the staff) E F
G A B c d e f g(just above the staff) a b c' d'
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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Since it is a jig you're asking about ~
M: 6/8 = time signature
L: 1/8 = the value per note, so ABC = 3 x 1/8, A2 = 1/4, A3 = 3/8
K: Gmaj = G Major, with one accidental ~ F# = K: ADor = A Dorian
K: Dmaj = D Major, with two accidentals ~ F# & C# = K: EDor = E Dorian
D Major & E Dorian & b minor are 'relative keys', the same accidentals
Jigs are built on beats worth 3/8 each and the notes are grouped that way ~ for example ~
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
|: DED DEG | A2G ABc | BAG AGE | GEA GED |
DED DEG | A2G ABc | BAG AGE | GED D3 :|
And the bar lines, or '|', separate the beats into pairs to show the tune's meter is 6/8... Here's a bit of a 9/8 slip jig for comparison ~
B/ = 1/16 ~ the forward slash halves the value of the note that precedes it ~
M: 9/8
L: 1/8
K: EDor
|: B2A BEE BEE | B/c/BA BEE FGA | B2A BEE BEE | FGA ABG FED :|
just a few quick 1 bar examples ~
M: 4/4 ~ | DGGF GABd |
M: 2/4 ~ | DG G/A/B/d/ |
M: 3/4 ~ | D>G B2 B2 |
> = swing, long-short
< = snap, short-long
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Tune Name
And the name of the tune is ???????????????
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Free Reed
Re: Tune Name
Do a decent job transcribing it and we'll get back to you. At least make an effort...like for like... In fact, it has been given more consideration by us that you have given it so far... Don't just dump notes on us. For one, check out the setting from your notes and see if that is close. If it isn't, let us know. As it stands, no I don't recognize it as yet... Here are your notes again, or an attempt to make sense of them, as had been attempted earlier ~
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ede | BAF AFD | ~ ???
Is that what you're after, or hearing?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Tune Name
As it stands, that way, it doesn't quite make sense...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Tune Name
It seems to suggest that the ede would be a point of 'agreement' in a traditional tune ~
ede BAG
ede BAF
ABCs are not modern, though the standardization as a useful ascii computer language is...with a few changes on the old way...
'Agreement' ~ might suggest this for the tune your after ~ divided into 4 bar phrases, with and without a lead-in note ~
X: 1
T: gan ainm
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: EDor (?)
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ede | BAF AFD |
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ede | BAF E3 :|
~ or ~
E |\
B,EG FEe | deB AGF | EDe deB | AFA FDE |
B,EG FEe | deB AGF | EDe deB | AFA E2 :|
So, hopefully you can see your scramble of notes is note quite enough for us to pin this down... If you want help, make some effort yourself, something that would bring some respect in return... So far you've had considerable 'consideration', even when not responding in kind...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Tune Name
If you know a link to the tune online, a fragment of it available for the ears, give us the link. That would help to pin down the notes and probably bring results... Often, making atempts as has happened so far, dislodges memory in someone else and another member may be able to pinpoint the tune for you...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Tune Name
Ceolachain, you have made seven postings above, some giving me advice on how to "do" ABCs, some going on about consideration, others going on about making an effort myself or whatever.
I have been playing/interested in Irish trad music on and off for thirty years( I was away from playing it for many years due to serious illness) and when I played, I and many others did quite well with what some might call the old ABCs, the system by which tunes were jotted down and passed around , sometimes on the backs on cigarette packets, beer mats or whatever was handy etc. The same system by which a lot of people still learn by in classes or whenever a tune is being shared, with no need for the more modern or up to date or whatever you want to call the ABCs used on computer systems.
I am just back playing and there are tunes coming back to me which I don't remember the names of. If I wanted to learn the more "modern"/ computer facilitating ABCs I would but I have no need or interest. However, what I certainly don't need is a lecture from you.If you know the name of the tune and want to give it to me, do so. If you don't know the name and you want to comment, say so. If you don't want to assist for whatever reason, don't. Do I care? I don't think so. You do realise that there is no law on this site forcing you to comment? The reality is that I know the tune- completely I just was curious about the name!
As has been mentioned before, you have a keyboard in front of you and if you don' t like the tread, just move on. Don't lecture me.As I have said, I just wanted to know the name of the tune...not a little lesson on consideration/respect and "not responding in kind" whatever the hell that is suppose to mean.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by concertinaplayer
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I know thats not directed at me but the point of my comment was that allthough i was happy to try and help i dont understand your notation.....which is why we suggest learning the system which is very simple.
so you say you have no need to learn the system, fine. so sorry, cant help you.
I too thought what would i gain from this system. however I do find it usefull for uploading tunes to this site and for finding the names of tunes doing an ABC search.......I cant read it but i just cut and paste into concertina.net convert-atron and voila there are the dots, which i can read.
ps it will also play it to in a way.
anyhow good luck in your search. enjoy
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
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Come on concertinaplayer, ceolachan was just trying to explain the culture of this site. If you want to get members to help you then all you have to do is learn a bit about ABCs. As has been mentioned, you will then be able to do a search before asking others. 'c' has helped a great number of people on the site and ABC is the language of the site.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by hotspur
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No jig, it wasn't aimed at you and I do take your point. If I have forgotten how a part of a tune goes, I will paste ABCs in to concertina.net and it is fine.
Hotspur, I don't really know what to say? "Culture of the site"??? Oh whatever ! What part of this is hard to get? I was just curious to know the name of the tune. End of story ! Just curious, that's all. No need to call the cops. No one will die !
I don't need to know it so badly that I will do a search( if I am not mistaken that facility, by what I read here,seems to be a flawed one). I will find the name of it somewhere else, the name of it will surface. No worries! And in the meantime, and if I never get the name, I will keep playing it. Jaysus, it's only the name of the tune.. !
On another note- a comparison- In the past when starting back playing and still housebound, my friends were kind enough to send me recordings of sessions. If the name of a tune from the distance past was bugging me, on a few occasions I would avail of Will CPT's kindness and when I would send him the clip, he would identify the tune and in fact on occasions write it out. No lecture, no telling me to go away and learn ABCs- just kindness. Christ, get over yourselves
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by concertinaplayer
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As this is the thirteenth post and still no answer to C Ps query, the following question has often crossed my mind. Are there any Dyslexic players out there, and does the condition make the reading of the ABC format difficult. Am I right in thinking that the condition would have no effect on reading the dots. (assuming of course that you can read the dots) I had a friend who learnt many tunes using the Tonic Sol-fa method. What a pity we can't whistle a tune over the Internet, it would life so simple.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Free Reed
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Correction...insert ''Make' between 'would' and 'life...I thank you
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Free Reed
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You don't need to make excuses for being sh*tty. I was actually trying to find your tune but needing you to help a little.
I too was raised on 'the old ABC system', which ~ was and is not a far distant from the new. Maybe some old dogs can't learn new tricks. For some of us it isn't a problem. If you can't see when someone is trying to help and feel the need to be an as*hole, I can't stop you. Fire away.
I am usually not too bad at digging up the names of tunes, given half a consideration. "Consideration" would have been to see people, including myself, were trying to help. But if you've got your head that far up your arse you can't see that ~ there's no more to say. If you had played this music for 100 years it doesn't qualify being a jerk...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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Free Reed ~ I'm dyslexic, and certified so...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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I've corresponded with at least one other dyslexic on site and they also haven't a problem with ABC notation, old or new...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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Oh yeah, by the way, there aren't any limits on who says what where or how often. But I will stop trying to find your tune for you and this will be my last contribution here, since that seems to make you even more of a miserable old git. I wasn't commenting to wind you up. If you check the first contributions they are all about trying to find your tune for you, despite your inability to help in any way... Also, old ABCs and a past serious illness also don't give you any special dipensation to be a jerk... Some of us have had both and are not so inclined...
Good luck with your search...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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As a non-ABC reader (beyond the extreme basics) let me jump in, and perhaps you can enlighten me. I realize that there is a need to communicate the music in our wired world when you can’t hear the tune, but I can’t understand the difference between telling someone that they must learn to read music to ask a question and telling them they have to read/write ABC. How is it then ABC is good and sheet music-evil (to continue the theme)? To me they are EXACTLY the same thing. Let’s face it, it all comes down to the notes, plain and simple… and that’s what concertinaplayer described to you (even I can infer the length of the notes and it’s not difficult to figure out what low and high notes would refer to). Whether they make sense or not is irrelevant- I've come across a good few mistakes in the tunes section when people use ABCs :-0 C, no offense but the first few comments did read rather snippily (perhaps were interpretive hangovers from a previous thread, don't know).
Karma, boys. I’ve seen you all go above and WAY beyond to help others on the site, and this very much includes CP, and I see nothing wrong with asking a simple question of the board in return, even if its not asked in the language you prefer to hear (I also missed the formal language requirement when I signed on).
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Cailin Rua
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http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/160
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by joesmith
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CR, I know, I said I was gone from here. CP claims to know old ABC, as do I, which stretches back a long way. That alone would have helped. Old ABC isn't that different from the new. Also, it was asked, if one existed, for a link to an audio representation of the tune, which would have helped where giving the notes better definition wasn't happening.
True, I can see that what I wrote to start sounds slightly impatient, and I don't doubt it overlaps from elsewhere. My apologies on that, but I wouldn't have commented at all except with the hopes to help if only a little more definition could be given. Old ABCs would have worked as much as the new, but not even that was attempted. I grouped the notes in one possible order, followed by question marks. I may have come off snippy and impatient, apologies there, but it was trying to find a result for the question posed.
It isn't the first time I've tried to or come up with an answer for CP. The door remains open to anyone who wants help, but in this case there didn't seem to be any attempt to help back, but maybe that was because, as you have said CR, I came of sounding snippy and impatient. CP isn't illiterate as far as notation goes, so it really wouldn't take much of an effort for him to help us in return for our trying to find him his tune title.
ABCs are dead easy to get a hand on, even more so if you already read some kind of music. It is a useful tool and has been for ages, including being used by the likes of Tom Billy Murphy (1875 - 1943) to pass on the notes to his pupils... I've never suggested that ABC was good and dots evil, not even a hint of that, though I will always say ears are best...
So, being possibly in a less than reasonable mood ~ apologies to all. I really was trying to find your tune for you concertinaplayer, however you read those first contributions...
Now I am away ~ good luck...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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That would be great if that's the tune Laitch ~
"Gallagher's Frolics"
Key signature: E Dorian
Submitted on June 29th 2001 by Will CPT.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/160
From these notes ~
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ede | BAF AFD | ~ ???
~ to these ~ ?
X: 1
T: Gallagher's Frolics
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Edor
|: D |\
~E3 GFE | ~B3 dBA | BdB BAB | GBG AFD |
~E3 GFE | BAB dBA | BAG FAF | GEE E2 :|
|: e |\
e2 g gfe | g2 b bge | dcd fed | fad fed |
e2 f gfe | dfe dBA | BAG FAF | GEE E2 e :|
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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CR ~ confessions ~ I am extremely impatient with myself at the moment, to do with pain. It is likely that is colouring everything today...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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... ah, I loved the idea that it would be a tune submitted by Will CPT. Still hoping.
C, ears of course are best, wish mine were better, and I didn't mean to imply that you had said notes were evil, just the common theme around here. Just wanted to say that I never could understand the difference and what made one seemingly better than the other. keep doing what you're doing, all of ye good folk, just cut people slack once in a while.
(and thanks C, didn't know who Tom Billy was- learned something new of all this too)
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Cailin Rua
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When i tried to decipher the original notes i started to wonder which were high and low. looking back it was pretty obvious. but nonethe less i didnt get it.
Using lower case letters for the high notes c and above just makes it clearer for me...... sorry perhaps[perhaps!] im just a bit thick
but re notation. i am all in favour of it, i spent decades playing and struggling to learn tunes from cds etc till i learnt to read. [see what i mean thick
]
From Leo Rowsome to Pagraig O'Keeffe[ spelling?] trad players have used notation systems for different reasons.
I like the dots.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
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Jig, I've tried my hand at some ABC transcriptions and searches to find tunes and names and haven't had too many successes, but there have been a few, so I know it can be done. I can definitely see the benefits. I have only a slightly better hit rate when I ask people what a tune is when playing it, though I like to think its really because they don't know the name, but really there's no saying its not my playing that confuses the issue.
C, I hope you're doing better and hopefully the same can be said for CP too.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Cailin Rua
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"I never could understand the difference" ~ Cailin Rua
On a basic difference, one mentioned by CP ~
"ABCs, the system by which tunes were jotted down and passed around , sometimes on the backs on cigarette packets, beer mats or whatever was handy etc." ~ concertinaplayer
You can get a few tunes on a beer mat, but if all you need for a memory jog is a couple of bars, you could probably get a dozen on a beer mat. You really can't do that with dots. I've managed maybe 3 complete 32 bar tunes on one beer mat, in very small print. Not all the old ABCers used bar lines and note groups, but that was how it had been taught to me and that was part of my notation. In the old way there was a mark made above the note for raising it higher, which is now, as an example, c', and a mark under the note for making it lower, which is now G,... One very old way was to actually double the note for a lower note, GG being the same as G, ~ the low string on the fiddle.
I knew quite a few musicians who could read the ABCs but not the dots... However, it wouldn't take them much to transfer the one ability to the other, as I've had the opportunity to prove, helping some folks to get past their block and start to read the dots... Mind you, they had great ears to start with.
ABCs are just more convenient to this tradition, more easily portable and once you've got it ~ much easier to write down than fussing with everything that dots demand, including the five lines of the staff...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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Anytime you need any help with the ABCs CR, feel free to ask... Most folks here are more than happy to lend to give time...
Apologies again for being a miserable old git myself, I can try to ignore the pain, but it doesn't let me...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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Thank you Laitch, no it isn't Gallagher's Frolics although there is a similarity initially and I have been known to go into it by mistake when starting this tune. I also appreciate that by and large, everybody, myself included will help another musician to progress in whatever way we can. However, I did not intend that anybody would feel so strongly about *how* I asked my question. It was just a question- "does anybody know the name of this jig." If nobody answered, well no big deal. I would keep playing the tune anyway. if someone knew the answer, well that would be great too. If I played the tune in a pub and asked did anyone know the name I'd be a tad disappointed to be told that it was unrecognisable by how badly I played it, so thank God I don't have friends like that !!!!
But I did say it was a jig, I have six notes to a bar and named them as low or high if relevant to avoid the confusion on a computer of the stroke above and below as was mentioned by ceolachan.If I said to most players of my acquaintance, that a note was low it means below the octave as in below D and high meaning high D and beyond and I see that others understood perfectly what I meant
There also seems to be this sense that I should have done better in how I laid it out. Well I suppose that outlook can be taken but I laid it out the way I would if I was trying to give myself a reminder for the next day, of a tune heard in a pub.
But really it wasn't all that important. I never mentioned pain, never intended to say that because I played for X amount of time(and taking into account "time off" I haven't played *that* long) that that should have anything to do with it- I was just curious to know the name of the tune and to be honest would prefer to do without the tune name than be told where my head was and what I was and wasn't. In this case I don't think the tune name is that important , certainly not worth the lecture and I also didn't think that there were conditions on assistance. After all, if a person can't help that's fine. I'm not going to question their ability as a musician. Anyway lesson learnt and let that be the end of it.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by concertinaplayer
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If you have the inclination, as was said earlier, if you can provide a sound clip I may still be able to drum up a name for you, or to add the ABCs here for others to think on. If so, email me and I'll give you an email address where I can recieve an MP3 or WAV file of your playing it... If that happens I would be more than happy to at least transcribe it for you and for the interest of others...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
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Jeez, i for one am curious- name, ABCs, dots, lilt loudly enough to hear across the atlantic, anything please.
Maybe some of us can get a new tune out of this (which can't be all bad).
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Cailin Rua
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Shows how semi-conscious I've been. I'd call it 'reasonable' too ~
"It starts E low B E G F# E / high E, high D, high E B A G / F# E D high E, high D , high E / B A F# A F# D/" ~ concertinaplayer
The forward slashes threw me, not initially realizing you were using them as bar lines, duh! (accepting my duncehood) There was something very familiar about the notes but something just didn't ring right as I played through them, and trying them in several ways, as being of equal value, as you'd given them, in groupings of 6 notes, and trying other ways ~ barring and note lengths. It still makes me concertina my brow when I play through the notes, because there is something familiar about it. That probably also accounts for why I wanted something more... I love mysteries, but I also find them frustrating. My memory often teases me but doesn't deliver, and that can be irritating. My wife gets irritated with it too, as this is the manifestation of my species of dyslexia. It is a shame when my irritation and frustration with myself overlaps into responding in a reactionary way to the comments of others.
There was never a question of your ability as a musician. I'm sorry if you read that into anything... Having an ability with this music doesn't require you to know any form of notation...
Just so you know there is involvement, while doing other chores, I have actually been trying searches, aside from through memory, also p;rint and elsewhere, including online. Sadly my own database went la-la when a new hard disk died on us and I haven't yet gotten back to that slog of rebuilding it. There are some fragments I haven't trawled yet but intend to. That is also why I'd hoped for more, as it would help me in the search. It is also why I offered to do a transcription if I could get an earful of it.
I allowed your response to push me over the edge:
"And the name of the tune is ???????????????"
Obviously I was not quite balanced to let that happen. At the time I had actually been trying my best to get you a name, to pin down the melody, not just for you, but for anyone else that might come across it and find a tune that would interest them... And I was, as said, feeling particularly frustrated and irritated with my oddly wired brain, which does not always cooperate...
As it is me, I will try again, whether or not it has any outside approval...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
~ or additional help...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Thank you ceolachan. The tune was given to me a long time ago in dots and it is possible that it was changed into a key to appeal to the person who gave it to me. Whilst not impossibly difficult it might be considered a little "fiddle unfriendly" in a few parts. I will write it below with commas for low notes and apostrophes for high and have changed the bar line. I don't understand keys other than one sharp is G and two is D and so on, so the F and the C are sharp. So here go
B, | EB,E GFE | E'D'E' BAG | FED D'E'D' | BAF AFD |
EB,E GFE | E'D'E' BAG | FED D'E'D' | BAF E_ ||:
B| E'BE' G'F'E' | D'BC D'E'F'| E'D'B BAF | EDB, DB'D|
EDB, GFE | E'D'E' BAG | FED D'E'D' | BAF E_ ||:
Anyway, for me it is a lovely tune and because I have only started to re practice it, changing into it another key hasn't been tried yet especially as it doen't cause any undue difficulties for me as a concertina player. I am not sure I would be saying the same as a fiddle player !
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by concertinaplayer
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Yes, as suspected, and what was frustrating me, I definitely know this tune ~ grrrrr!!! Damn that is familiar, also if I play some of that low, | EB,E GFE | E^DE BAG |... Yes, I had been giving it a try in other keys as well. The common changes in key include hearing something on an old recording, or a new one that had been sped up, and being a half to a full step off the original. But musicians will also change a thing so that it lies better on their particular instrument.
Here's yours again but in the modern ABCs, with a slight change on the 4th bar of the B-part, lowering the DB'D to DB,D ~
K: D Dorian
|: B, |\
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF AFD |
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF E2 :|
|: B |\
eBe gfe | dB^c def | edB BAF | EDB, DB,D |
EDB, GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF E2 :|
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Still tired ~ the notated ^c is redundant, as E Dorian is the relative key to D Major, meaning f# & c#, or ^f & ^c. So that second measure of the B-part should just read ~
~ | DBc def | ~
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Another key ~ if it helps anyone else's memory...
K: A Dorian (relative key with G Major)
|: E |\
AEA cBA | aga edc | BAG gag | edB dBG |
AEA cBA | aga edc | BAG gag | edB A2 :|
|: E |\
aea c'ba | gef gab | age edB | AGE GEG |
AGE cBA | aga edc | BAG gag | edB A2 :|
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Still tired ~ no caffeine in the system yet... The lead-in for the B-part should be up an octave ~ with some alternate ways ~
|: e |\
aea c'ba | gef gab | age edB | A/B/cA G2 B |
AGE cBA | dcd egb | age dBG | edB A2 :|
That slip into an alternate take for the B-part may be a remembered second ending, or drawn out from a similar melody...
It is one of the things that was coming to me last night. What was reassuring was that the B-part I kept slipping into from the initial notes was pretty much the one you've given...with some slight variations / differences...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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& a few other alternate takes for the A-part, both keys ~
K: D Dorian
|: B, |\
E^DE GFE | e^de BAG | F/G/ED ded | BAF AGF | ~
K: A Dorian
|: E |\
A^GA cBA | a^ga edc | A/B/cG gag | edB dcB | ~
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Out of all that fussin', the only spark that came to mind is this tune, and the title given was dug up in an online search ~
X: 1
T: Statia Donelly's
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: A Dorian
|: E |\
A^GA cBA | e^de ged | e/f/ge edG | Bec dBG |
A^GA cBA | e^de ged | edc BAB | cA^G A2 :|
|: E |\
A2 B cBA | c2 d ecA | G2 B dBG | dBG BA^G |
A2 B cBA | GBA G2 D | EDC B,^A,B, | CA,^G, A,2 :|
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
The A-part, in some versions, is right on, but the B-part is considerably different...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Here's that A simplified ~
K: A Dorian
|: E |\
AGA cBA | ede ged | ege ede | cec dBG |
AGA cBA | ede ged | edc BAB | cAA A2 :|
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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'c' the one you've just posted the abc for is just Gallagher's Frolics in a different key.
Dunno CP's tune.
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Dow
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Still frustrated, as I know it as you've given it, those two parts. I haven't yet sent out emails to a few others that love such mysteries and also know quite a lot of tunes...some of our other members. Some folks make a point to avoid questions like this, "what tune is this?" I can't blame them, after filling a number of them, I avoid the sprawling and chaotic requests list...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Dow, it was you, among a few, I was going to email... Yes, "Gallagher's Frolics", I knew there was another name somewhere, just up a few comments from here...
Thanks... You at least know how such things can send me round the twist... 
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
After all, I'd been playing it too... Daft eh?
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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I'll send out at least 3 emails, but keep trying to pull out a title for this... It is good to find a name for an orphan tune, especially a nice on like this...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Got it http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/3253.
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Dow
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Yes ! That's it Dow ! And reading the comments on the tune , it would tie in with the type of source that that the chap who gave it to me would have got his tunes from. He loves to root out old recordings and introduce or re introduce old versions. So thank you all for the help and interest shown.
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by concertinaplayer
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Nice one Mark, now I can rest... "The Pride of Erin", wouldn't you know. I knew the ceili band and its members too, and had some good times with the Nugent clan... No wonder it was driving me bonkers. I have them on vinyl too... You're a sweetheart Mark...
Appreciated!!!
I was just coming back here to say 2 down and 3 to go. I don't have to send the other pending email... Now to move some of these alternate takes into the 'comments'...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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"The Pride Of Erin"
Key signature: E Dorian
Submitted on July 6th 2004 by Brendan.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/3253/abc
X: 1
T: Pride Of Erin, The
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Edor
|: G |\
EEE GFE | eee BAF | FED ded | BAF AFD |
EEE GFE | eee BAF | FED ded | BAF E2 G :|
|: B |\
e2 f gfe | dBc def | e2 B BAF | E2 B EBE |
EEE GFE | eee BAF | FED ded | BAF E2 :|
For closer comparison ~ concertinaplayer's notes ~ great stuff. Your take on it seems more familiar to me...
K: E Dorian
|: B, |\
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF AFD |
EB,E GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF E2 :|
|: B |\
eBe gfe | dB^c def | edB BAF | EDB, DB,D |
EDB, GFE | ede BAG | FED ded | BAF E2 :|
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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I love it how you knew the tune and spent ages searching for it and posting comments, only to end up irritating someone, whilst I swanned onto the thread at the last minute and found the tune in a matter of seconds by a fluke abc search even though I've never heard it before. That must really annoy you 'c'
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Dow
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|: B | eBe gfe | dBc def | ~
~ no ^ required on a c already sharp by the key signature...
It is a joy to be reacquainted with an old friend, this tune, and by name, and the memories associated with it...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Nope, I'm really pleased. I knew you could do it... I couldn't let go of the way I was hearing it, stuck in a few possibilities and missing some obvious ones.
It was really driving me crazy, and I was even on it very late last night, early this morning ~ being rediculously critical with myself ~ "YOU KNOW THIS DAMN IT!" It can get really frustrating. As I've said, it is the same reason I was shight at taking exams. I'd know I knew something but couldn't get my damned brain to cough it up, at least not in time...
Most of the searching was my beating my head over it, slap, slap, slap ~ OUT WITH IT!!! 
Thanks loads for the help Mark, it really is a welcome relief, and it means, now I've got it again I'll be able to pass it on... At least you will understand, I hope...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
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Nice tune, the kind I like: catchy and easy.
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Ramiro
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yes, thanks for the persistence! it is indeed a lovely tune
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Cailin Rua
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And everybody lived 'happy ever after' (wish I had a smiley for here)
Whose next?
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Free Reed