Will CPT, why do you post so often here on fiddle technique, when now that we've played together several times at several sessions and you really don't play very traditionally. I don't mean to sound harsh, this is meant very kindly, but I see you post here a lot about traditionaly playing, and honestly, your playing is just more "classical" (do you learn tunes from dots) than really what I would consider ITM.
Without offense, and in the spirit of our musical friendship,
LOL Eliot, that's not exactly damning with faint praise, is it?
Yes, it's true, I studied classical piano as a child, and took a year's worth of violin from the esteemed Walter Oliveras (a Chilean violinist who debuted at Carnegie Hall in the early 1980s). Plus, my older brother is a professional classical pianist and was Leonard Bernstein's musical assistant and editor for many years, until LB's untimely death.
But I have to take exception to your characterization of my playing. Despite any "classical" influences I've suffered ( ), I've been playing Irish trad music for more than 30 years. I'd go into the details of the great Irish players who I've learned from, but I've already crowed enough about that here, in previous threads.
Frankly, I just don't have the time right now to respond fully to this. I'm sorry you feel this way. As always, when someone I respect gives me advice (even unoslicited), I'll take it on board and see if there's anything of value I can extract from it. But just now I'm sessioning with some heavyweights of the tradition, the tunes are ripping, and the uisce beatha is flowing.
OK, this is not meant as a wind up, and don't take it that way. I'm just saying, that I've heard some players, and there is just something hard to point to, but classical players have this way of playing that you just know they are really classical and can't get out if it no matter how hard they try. And now that you've posted the above, I actually can see I'm right about you. So, let's just leave it at that, my ear was right, and you are a good player at ITM too (I mean that, you really are good).
Well, I'm confused. On one hand you say I sound "classical" and apparently not authentic. But then you agree that I am a "good" player and acknowledge my extensive training. Which seems to me a reasonable qualification for offering advice on fiddle technique.
Besides, even though I'm basically a beginner on flute, at least I know how to get a good reedy tone instead of the hollow, silver sounding timbre that comes out of your Olwell....
Will, I have never heard you playing as far as I know. But I have found your writings here on Irish fiddle playing to be quite intelligent and helpful. So even if you actual playing suffers from whatever deficiency Eliot is claiming, that does not diminish the value of your written contributions to this site.
First off,
> I just listened to the sound sample in your profile...
As the other person on that recording, Rev, and your comment came off as a bit snarky. Maybe you didn't mean it in a bad way or anything.
Second,
Those influcences can be as hard to shake as they are hard on the ears of more traditional players. It may have been easier to get Will out of the conservatory than to get the conservatory out of Will. But, yes over time these things can be overcome.
I know how hard it is and the effect crosses all instruments. At our session in Nevada County we have a bodhran player who used to play percussion in a symphony. I guess, technically a great bodhran player -- all the fancy whumpty-dumpty-clickity-clackity -- but, believe it or not -- that same funny classical "accent." it doesn't quite suck the life out of the music most of the time but you can definitely hear it.
Anyway, Will, I'm sure you can over come this and I'm sure you have the support of eveyone here on this group.....
You're right, it could seem like a wind-up. But, i think Will CPT is a good enough gent to understand what I'm getting at here.
I'll just ignore his comment about flutes, because i am sure he didn't mean it against me (in particular), it may just be how he feels about Olwell flutes in general.
Okay, so we're taking a break from tunes while John replaces his broken E string on the Paragon....
Patrick makes excellent flutes, though I admit I'm partial to Hammy's unlined heads among Pratten style flutes (and that's what I play). But plenty of even half-decent players get a strong reedy tone from their Olwells. To be honest, Eliot, I don't know why yours sounded so....thin and shallow. Maybe it was the high elevation.
So people who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones....
Guys, maybe Eliot just had a bad day. Or maybe I p*ssed him off by playing that Mozart piece as a jig and he felt silly for thinking it was traditional. People have said worse things about me here. No worries.
Okay, this has drawn me back out of lurker mode, but this is has to be the dumbest thread I've ever seen here. Come on Eliot, did this really need to be said on here on the mustard board? Or are you attempting a public humiliation? If so, you're failing miserably. Will a great contributor here, and as crazy_fingers said, his posts are pretty useful, informative, and generally enjoyable, unlike this useless thread. Nice attempt at sugar coating this to seem like you're genuinely concerned with about his classical roots, and after all it's "in the spirit of musical friendship", but I cannot think of any good reason why you might take this up here on this discussion forum. If you were truly trying to be his "friend", why not send him a private message? For whatever good that might do anyway, other than to point out how "classical" he sounds, but I can't figure out why on Earth one friend would say that to another here on thesession.org...
For those of us watching from home, I'd like to know whether I understand this correctly. Did you guys drive hundreds of miles to partake in the oh-so-great-weekend-long-session-that-silver-bow-is-a-fool-for-missing, only to put away instruments before the night is done, retreat to your laptops, and talk crap about eachothers' playing on the internet forums??
Well that does it, then. I'm switching to Zydeco. I imagine those people would just hash this sort of thing out with a fist fight.
Besides, I'll never become a good Irish-style player--having learned everything I know from Mr. CPT. Go easy on him though. He leads a tough life having to be right all the time. I think it stems from a strict military upbringing.
If someone had completely 'got over' their classical training and didn't tell you about it, you wouldn't know. So you only spot the ones who haven't got over it. So you think no-one can get over it because you only know about the ones who can't.
Or you hear what you expect to hear if you know a player is classically trained.
I throw in my two cents here (post inflation) to agree with reenactor's earlier entry. This posting does not sound to me like the behaviour of a gentle.
To wax critical of someone publicly, and then try to gloss it over and assert no malice intended, sounds to me like either the worst kind of hypocrisy or self-delusionment.
IMHO there is no "nice" way to publicly put someone's artistic efforts down, no matter what your own qualifications. Privately, discreetly, objectively, that is another matter.
A tip of the hat, W-CPT, for your responses to this (let us still hope) un-knowing and inadvertant exercise in defamation, slander, callous insensitivity, and questionable typing.
Likely I am redundant again.
Haven't had my coffee yet. ;-(
Hmm, Zina pops up when ever will is taking flak no harm meant. its good to have friends eh?!
but elliot, as we are in the process of critiqueing others playing , I feel, in the spirit of friendship , that your flute playing is attrocious, Surely it would be better to spend your time working on your own technique befor commenting on others? of course you wont take this critisism well, who does?
"Without offense" ~ would be by general practice and agreement to deal with a subject like this without naming names. That would have been a really simple thing to do. We've dealt with this subject of classical influences before, and named a slew of well known Irish musicians that have had that, and yes, you can pick up the traces of it in their technique ~ Kevin Burke being one of a slew of fiddlers, Jerry Holland of Cape Breton fame. Naming names just has the general content of pettiness and spite seasoning it, intended or not... The natural reaction is to see it as being 'intended'... I can't honestly think of one player in the modern sense who hasn't been 'influenced'. Do we then need to categorize which influences are good and which are bad, and the inbetween and neutral? With so much travelling about, back and forth from here to North America and the European mainland, and all those tainted fiddlers sharing ways and inclinations ~ we are doomed ~ WE ARE ALL DOOOOOOOOMMMMMED!!!
I wonder if there are anitbodies you can get injected with?
I guess I picked up a positive picture of Will CPT via his posts, seems like a real genuine likeable guy who knows his stuff, makes some great contributions here and ought th be treated with due respect. But appearances can be deceptive, and I've never heard his playing, so maybe it does sound classical...
Of eliot, I know nothing, but it does seem effing bizarre to start a thread attacking someone's playing, and plain cowardly to pretend that's being 'friendly'...but maybe there's stuff behind the scenes I don't get here...
eliot's samples do seem like a joke, or are they ? Ah, I get it !
"Eliot's expertise is the design and analysis of games. He offers a wide ranging set of skills, from game layout, rules, and design, to a complete mathematical analysis of your game idea."
So this is some crazy new internet game ! Hee,hee, gotcha !
"Do You Want to ...
Create more trust and quality communication in your environment?
Plan a clear path to your goals?
Turn stumbling blocks into stepping stones?
Improve service to customers and clients?
Find systematic ways to problem solve?
Connect with the community and its various sectors?"
Amazing ! Maybe it isn't a game after all ? Maybe this is part of the 19 % of evil ?
Sorry, I give up. None of makes sense. Must be some American thing.
I think we should have real good thorough Spring witchhunt here, smoke out the evildoers from their caves, exorcise the whole website, burn all the wicked tunes in the archive, just like they did at Salem, those colonials knew how to do stuff properly in those days...I suppose to be politically that should have read witch-and-warlock hunt...
Eliot (and anyone else for that matter), if you want to send a message to or ask a question of a particular member of The Session, please do so through their member profile (using the "send an email" link).
Whoa! I guess if you play like that elliott, your link, and if you are deluded into thinking that's 'traditional', then just maybe all the endless possibilities of playing it 'better' might be considered 'classical'?...
I wouldn't be making this comment if you hadn't started this. I would have taken that snippet of a recording as just a couple of beginners enjoying a tune as best they could. but with your loose judgement here, I have to listen from the context of this, your discussion and expressed attitude. So, judging one who judges, it's bloody awful...
ceolachan, maybe you missed david_h's pointer to the 'comments' ? where eliot seems, somewhat ambiguously, to suggest that the mp3 sample is a joke. If it isn't a joke, then the guy certainly deserves ritual dismemberment for bringing the music into disrepute. He probably deserves it anyway, on the grounds that he could have phrased his concerns about classical v. traditional without making it an attack on an individual.
Maybe he's a real good musician and can afford to act stupid ?He certainly seems real good on old fashioned insincerity and hypocrisy, touting a website that claims to teach how to 'Create more trust and quality communication in your environment'....sheesh.
I guess it's just a game...'insult a 'friend' and runaway', a wind up to get a bit of attention. Perhaps he's feeling neglected, poor fella ?
I wonder what kind of response Eliot was hoping for. In any case, I don't think he got it.
Actually Will's posts are mostly about violin playing in general rather than about trad style, and he's usually spot-on. To attack him in this way is ridiculous; he's done nothing to deserve it as far as I can tell.
I wonder if Eliot was thinking that the board would rise up and ridicule Will for not being trad enough. How absurd.
Will's posts are mostly helpful and accurate, and I doubt that anyone here really cares if there's some classical style in his playing. If I were taking lessons from him I might care; otherwise, I'm happy to read his posts and learn from his decades of experience on his instrument.
Even I, as a member of the hoodie-wearing, OAP-mugging, drug-dealing, binge-drinking, shoplifting, window-smashing yob culture, know that there are some things that it's cool to post in a public forum, and some things that are not.
~ are you running for governor of Cardiff or something dear mehitabel23? Somehow, just an inkling of a notion, I can't quite see you representing the average of anything, let alone 'youth'... But, you can mug me anyday, as long as I have advanced warning so I can put on my best miserable-old-git act...and borrow a cane or a zimmerframe so I can fight back with something solid and extendable...
Hey, are we supposed to be asking Will CPT questions on this thread? Hey Will, what's the weather like over your neck of the woods?
Will CPT, In spite of your copious posts on the subject, I'm afraid you will never capture the subtle lilt of KC and the Sunshine Band or Donna Summer in your playing. Face it, you just can't play disco. Furthermore, your take on the Ace of Spades left me rather uninspired. Perhaps it's time to realize you don't posses the majestic ornaments of Lemme from Motorhead; you can't play metal either. For God's sake don't even get me started on your sad attempts at Christian Dixieland Ska-punk either. Henceforth, I shall take your posts regarding these styles with a rather large, almost Gibraltar sized grain of salt.
I say this without offense and in the spirit of musical friendship - yours in dripping sarcasm,
JNE
This thread reminds me of wilderness wildfires. When I read Eliot's original post I don't see it as an attack on Will, but rather a sincere but awkwardly asked question... an accidental spark so to speak that immediately got blown out of proportion by the onlookers putting Will on the defense and erupted into an out-of-control blaze with a lot of folks taking sides, attacking and counter-attacking. Anyone else see it like that? I did notice Eliot backed out rather soon and hasn’t commented since.
Wise Elliot, flash fires are nothing to stand around and watch. Bad enough we're all fanning this one... I love the smell of burning tumbleweed, part of the sage family don't yuh know...
Reading the original post I felt pretty much the same, awkward but no harm intended. What made me suspicious whas Eliot's interpretation of Will's first post, ignoring 2/3 for the part that fitted his "question", and the fact that Eliot reacted considerably worse than Will to the same accusation. While maybe the spark was not intended to cause the fire, the ignitor could have been aware of its potential, much the same like someone who builds a bonfire in a bone dry forest....
If we take 'classical' in its often used wider sense, from Agricola and before to Zamlinsky and beyond... If we were to purge ourselves of all hint of any of this ~ Early ~ Baroque ~ Classical ~ Modern ~ we would be bereft of music. Maybe beating driftwood or slate together without any percievable steady and repeating rhythm, would be O.K.?
On conflagrations ~ I believe the person who sets the spark deserves the prosecution they get... As is often repeated, ignorance is no defence...
Can you imagine if someone had told Seve Ballesteros not to hit the ball into the car park, or Viv Richards to stop walking three steps sideways before hitting the ball for six, or Bjorn Borg that nobody uses a two handed backhand? The genious would have been coached out of them.
I think this is a wind up, although by Will's reaction not a welcome one.
Eliot, Doctor Eliot, plays the flute better than me, but could not be described as a great. As long as he enjoys it.
And Will and I love to argue all the time, but personal attacks is a bit over the top.
Elliot says (no question marks anywhere, just statements) ~
"Will CPT, why do you post so often here on fiddle technique, when ~ you really don't play very traditionally."
(period. ~ despite starting with a 'why', obviously questioning Will's right to comment at all on fiddle technique, whatever authority the author seems to suggest is theirs)
"I don't mean to sound harsh, this is meant very kindly ~"
~ condescending, I know, I've been guilty of it myself, by accident or intent, and I've been on the recieving end before... There is nothing 'kind' about it...
"your playing is just more "classical" ~ than really what I would consider ITM."
OUCH! ~ But again, I have to ask ~ on what authority? What exactly do you mean?
"do you learn tunes from dots"
OUCH! & OUCH AGAIN!!! ~ more assumptions, and nothing at all kind or nice about this one, suggesting that Will hasn't the ears or the understanding to play this music, that, as we have often discussed here, so not new, and consequently one of the worst stabs Elliot could possibly come up with...
"Without offense, and in the spirit of our musical friendship" ~
you're havin' a laugh!!! And someone actually thinks that is light reading? Pishaw!!!
I wonder how a face-to-face encounter starting with this question would have gone. If we were able to freeze time to scrutinize and analyze every sentence like we can in this forum it would surely change the way the encounter goes. Whereas a face-to-face encounter includes so many more clues about the intent.
True... But that doesn't excuse ignorance when putting it to print, not for me, not for Elliot. If he meant otherwise, well, that is the opportunity a discussion allows, especially one in print. You can start wrong, but you can make adjustments, and you can apologize too. You can admit your ignorance, a rudeness, a discourtesy... The opportunity is there. You can reread what you've written yourself an see where it is unfair or there is room for misunderstanding... However, it is damn hard to retrace your steps and work to undo, correct, an unkindness, a disrespect of another, especially when made public, as here... Again, speaking from personal experience, having sucked on my own toes too often...foot-in-mouth disease...
"C", for as long as the Daily Mail continue to tar us all with the same brush, I will continue to elect myself to speak on behalf of the youth of the nation. After all, we're all the same, really (aren't we?).
I appreciate Eliot's right to ask a question, but why, oh god WHY, post the question on a public forum? You are *asking* for it to be like a wilderness wildfire (thank you PB)! It's a red rag to a load of bulls!!! This is a place for many things but public assessment of each others' playing probably isn't one of them!
The benefit of other influences.... Yes, well, it seems this week is full of me making a fool of myself. I think I'll take up speaking for the 'youth' of the world. You can't shoulder it all Mehitabel...
diewicki ~ you are obviously connected? ~ to the tabloids? ~ & the perpetrators...
Alright, this much I know, trusting the source ~ Elliot is a flute player, and that recording was the first and last time he had a fiddle in his hands... DAMN! ~ Would that we all could pull of something similar to that on the fly...
So we now know, or at least I'm accepting, that some of what diewicki has provided in his "What if ~" list, has a second, from me, via a source who should know. So, if that is true, are the rest of those "What ifs" true? The world works in mysterious ways and I have been just too wound up tight lately to be participating in anything other than the 'Tunes' section...
God bless you Will, and Elliott too, and Mehitabel and the rest who waded in here... So Rev, are you taking confessions? ~ No, that's right, you're not a priest ~ maybe a walk on the wild side and some fishing then? Saltwiter or fresh?
I regret that I have not been able to respond to this thread since I first posted my thoughts on Will's playing. It does strike me that some very insightful comments have been made, however, exactly two of the statements made by DLewicki are false and at least one of the conjunctives made by AlBrown is true.
LOL, Ian, what's a session without slagging among friends.
Hauke, "maroon" is what Bugs Bunny says when he calls someone a moron. I like the irony in that--Bugs mispronouncing a word that insults someone else's intelligence. Seeems fitting, eh Doc?
There was a wolf sighting by Jim and Gary -- they took some great photos -- but the closest I saw to a non-humanoid carnivore was a fierce bearded fiddler with rabid hunger in his eyes and oxymoronic humanism that made even the whiskey consider boiling.
Now, back to basics, aren't I supposed to be insulting you in this thread?
If that rabid fiddler was naked, running through the snow while maddling scraping away at Dispute at the Crossroads, it wasn't me. I swear. I've never even considered doing anything remotely close to that.
I'm glad someone got to see the wolves. No doubt up along the Lamar River, where the bison drop their calves this time of year....
Funny, but a lot of those pix are on *my* camera. Seems like I at least have some control over how those are leaked to the media. (But the bedroom *was* rather full of paparazzi, flash bulbs going off, digicams humming. I'm surprised nothing's turned up on Fox News yet....)
Now it's sounding more like produced pornography than a true love affair -- if you'r going to make something up, at least stick to your story!
And if this alleged event did take place, that is, pictures of the two of us in bed -- photoshopped or otherwise, and it somehow became public, then as esteemed academicians, as researchers with international reputations, and as scholars sought after for our furrowed brows, I sincerely anyone would think it more than a childish prank, hardly worthy of a U.S. Senate ethics inquiry (as you imply by your previous post).
I would rather think it a sunny day, with flowers, a bit of wind, and butterflies skitting about, than in some double-wide trailer with onlookers, gawkers, and even, as you say, the ITM-Paparazzi. If you're going to have a hallucination, man, then have a good one!
Wait...it's all coming back to me. Someone entered the stall next to mine, and a well-polished wingtip soon came tapping over on my side of the divider. Our shoes touched--just a light kiss of leather on leather. And then a hand-delivered scrap of paper with the abcs for "Touching Cloth" scribbled on it. I was smitten....
It's time to start a new thread that has nothing to do with your propensity for bathroom hookers at major metro airports and get to a more important topic like ... well, what is more important than that to you?
Question for WIll CPT
Question for WIll CPT
Will CPT, why do you post so often here on fiddle technique, when now that we've played together several times at several sessions and you really don't play very traditionally. I don't mean to sound harsh, this is meant very kindly, but I see you post here a lot about traditionaly playing, and honestly, your playing is just more "classical" (do you learn tunes from dots) than really what I would consider ITM.
Without offense, and in the spirit of our musical friendship,
Eliot
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Eliot
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I just listened to the sound sample in your profile, Eliot... I'm not sure you're one to talk...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Reverend
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LOL Eliot, that's not exactly damning with faint praise, is it?
Yes, it's true, I studied classical piano as a child, and took a year's worth of violin from the esteemed Walter Oliveras (a Chilean violinist who debuted at Carnegie Hall in the early 1980s). Plus, my older brother is a professional classical pianist and was Leonard Bernstein's musical assistant and editor for many years, until LB's untimely death.
But I have to take exception to your characterization of my playing. Despite any "classical" influences I've suffered (
), I've been playing Irish trad music for more than 30 years. I'd go into the details of the great Irish players who I've learned from, but I've already crowed enough about that here, in previous threads.
Frankly, I just don't have the time right now to respond fully to this. I'm sorry you feel this way. As always, when someone I respect gives me advice (even unoslicited), I'll take it on board and see if there's anything of value I can extract from it. But just now I'm sessioning with some heavyweights of the tradition, the tunes are ripping, and the uisce beatha is flowing.
(to be continued....)
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Will CPT
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OK, this is not meant as a wind up, and don't take it that way. I'm just saying, that I've heard some players, and there is just something hard to point to, but classical players have this way of playing that you just know they are really classical and can't get out if it no matter how hard they try. And now that you've posted the above, I actually can see I'm right about you. So, let's just leave it at that, my ear was right, and you are a good player at ITM too (I mean that, you really are good).
Your friend,
Eliot
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Eliot
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Well, I'm confused. On one hand you say I sound "classical" and apparently not authentic. But then you agree that I am a "good" player and acknowledge my extensive training. Which seems to me a reasonable qualification for offering advice on fiddle technique.
Besides, even though I'm basically a beginner on flute, at least I know how to get a good reedy tone instead of the hollow, silver sounding timbre that comes out of your Olwell....
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Did you two used to be lovers?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
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Will, I have never heard you playing as far as I know. But I have found your writings here on Irish fiddle playing to be quite intelligent and helpful. So even if you actual playing suffers from whatever deficiency Eliot is claiming, that does not diminish the value of your written contributions to this site.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by crazy_fingerz
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First off,
> I just listened to the sound sample in your profile...
As the other person on that recording, Rev, and your comment came off as a bit snarky. Maybe you didn't mean it in a bad way or anything.
Second,
Those influcences can be as hard to shake as they are hard on the ears of more traditional players. It may have been easier to get Will out of the conservatory than to get the conservatory out of Will. But, yes over time these things can be overcome.
I know how hard it is and the effect crosses all instruments. At our session in Nevada County we have a bodhran player who used to play percussion in a symphony. I guess, technically a great bodhran player -- all the fancy whumpty-dumpty-clickity-clackity -- but, believe it or not -- that same funny classical "accent." it doesn't quite suck the life out of the music most of the time but you can definitely hear it.
Anyway, Will, I'm sure you can over come this and I'm sure you have the support of eveyone here on this group.....
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by dlewicki
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Eliot,
When a comment like this is posted in a public forum, it is difficult to read it as anything but a windup. A gentleman would simply send an email.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by reenactor
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Re-
You're right, it could seem like a wind-up. But, i think Will CPT is a good enough gent to understand what I'm getting at here.
I'll just ignore his comment about flutes, because i am sure he didn't mean it against me (in particular), it may just be how he feels about Olwell flutes in general.
-Eliot
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Eliot
Re: Question for WIll CPT
You know, a couple people have come off looking pretty good here, and a couple people have come off looking like jerks.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Zina Lee
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Okay, so we're taking a break from tunes while John replaces his broken E string on the Paragon....
Patrick makes excellent flutes, though I admit I'm partial to Hammy's unlined heads among Pratten style flutes (and that's what I play). But plenty of even half-decent players get a strong reedy tone from their Olwells. To be honest, Eliot, I don't know why yours sounded so....thin and shallow. Maybe it was the high elevation.
So people who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones....
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Will CPT
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Perhaps I'm not a good enough gent to understand what you're getting at. I think it's a ridiculous way to begin a conversation.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by reenactor
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Zina, yer a pal, as always.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Will CPT
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Guys, maybe Eliot just had a bad day. Or maybe I p*ssed him off by playing that Mozart piece as a jig and he felt silly for thinking it was traditional. People have said worse things about me here. No worries.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Okay, this has drawn me back out of lurker mode, but this is has to be the dumbest thread I've ever seen here. Come on Eliot, did this really need to be said on here on the mustard board? Or are you attempting a public humiliation? If so, you're failing miserably. Will a great contributor here, and as crazy_fingers said, his posts are pretty useful, informative, and generally enjoyable, unlike this useless thread. Nice attempt at sugar coating this to seem like you're genuinely concerned with about his classical roots, and after all it's "in the spirit of musical friendship", but I cannot think of any good reason why you might take this up here on this discussion forum. If you were truly trying to be his "friend", why not send him a private message? For whatever good that might do anyway, other than to point out how "classical" he sounds, but I can't figure out why on Earth one friend would say that to another here on thesession.org...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by MartySmith
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LOL
So......
For those of us watching from home, I'd like to know whether I understand this correctly. Did you guys drive hundreds of miles to partake in the oh-so-great-weekend-long-session-that-silver-bow-is-a-fool-for-missing, only to put away instruments before the night is done, retreat to your laptops, and talk crap about eachothers' playing on the internet forums??
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by silver bow
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I'm taking the fifth (so to speak).
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Eliot
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Well that does it, then. I'm switching to Zydeco. I imagine those people would just hash this sort of thing out with a fist fight.
Besides, I'll never become a good Irish-style player--having learned everything I know from Mr. CPT. Go easy on him though. He leads a tough life having to be right all the time. I think it stems from a strict military upbringing.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by silver bow
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Will, you're a true gentleman.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by slainte
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If someone had completely 'got over' their classical training and didn't tell you about it, you wouldn't know. So you only spot the ones who haven't got over it. So you think no-one can get over it because you only know about the ones who can't.
Or you hear what you expect to hear if you know a player is classically trained.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by c.g.
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Hey !
Zina's back !
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I can't figure whether the sound sample in Eliot's profile is a wind up... surely it must be?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by de Selby
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I throw in my two cents here (post inflation) to agree with reenactor's earlier entry. This posting does not sound to me like the behaviour of a gentle.
To wax critical of someone publicly, and then try to gloss it over and assert no malice intended, sounds to me like either the worst kind of hypocrisy or self-delusionment.
IMHO there is no "nice" way to publicly put someone's artistic efforts down, no matter what your own qualifications. Privately, discreetly, objectively, that is another matter.
A tip of the hat, W-CPT, for your responses to this (let us still hope) un-knowing and inadvertant exercise in defamation, slander, callous insensitivity, and questionable typing.
Likely I am redundant again.
Haven't had my coffee yet. ;-(
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Rook
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Hmm, Zina pops up when ever will is taking flak
no harm meant. its good to have friends eh?! 
, that your flute playing is attrocious, Surely it would be better to spend your time working on your own technique befor commenting on others? of course you wont take this critisism well, who does?
but elliot, as we are in the process of critiqueing others playing , I feel, in the spirit of friendship
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
Re: Question for WIll CPT
It won't be long before Jeremy deletes this thread, I'm sure.
Will, don't even bother responding. You have many many friends here.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by kennedy
Re: Question for WIll CPT
http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator/rate.gas
So, this discussion, at this point in time, is 26% Evil and 74% Good... Hmmm, I wonder where the evil bits are?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
"Without offense" ~ would be by general practice and agreement to deal with a subject like this without naming names. That would have been a really simple thing to do. We've dealt with this subject of classical influences before, and named a slew of well known Irish musicians that have had that, and yes, you can pick up the traces of it in their technique ~ Kevin Burke being one of a slew of fiddlers, Jerry Holland of Cape Breton fame. Naming names just has the general content of pettiness and spite seasoning it, intended or not... The natural reaction is to see it as being 'intended'... I can't honestly think of one player in the modern sense who hasn't been 'influenced'. Do we then need to categorize which influences are good and which are bad, and the inbetween and neutral? With so much travelling about, back and forth from here to North America and the European mainland, and all those tainted fiddlers sharing ways and inclinations ~ we are doomed ~ WE ARE ALL DOOOOOOOOMMMMMED!!!
I wonder if there are anitbodies you can get injected with?
Sorry, this is pre caffeine...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Hmm.
I guess I picked up a positive picture of Will CPT via his posts, seems like a real genuine likeable guy who knows his stuff, makes some great contributions here and ought th be treated with due respect. But appearances can be deceptive, and I've never heard his playing, so maybe it does sound classical...
Of eliot, I know nothing, but it does seem effing bizarre to start a thread attacking someone's playing, and plain cowardly to pretend that's being 'friendly'...but maybe there's stuff behind the scenes I don't get here...
eliot's samples do seem like a joke, or are they ? Ah, I get it !
"Eliot's expertise is the design and analysis of games. He offers a wide ranging set of skills, from game layout, rules, and design, to a complete mathematical analysis of your game idea."
So this is some crazy new internet game ! Hee,hee, gotcha !
"Do You Want to ...
Create more trust and quality communication in your environment?
Plan a clear path to your goals?
Turn stumbling blocks into stepping stones?
Improve service to customers and clients?
Find systematic ways to problem solve?
Connect with the community and its various sectors?"
Amazing ! Maybe it isn't a game after all ? Maybe this is part of the 19 % of evil ?
Sorry, I give up. None of makes sense. Must be some American thing.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by wolfbird
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Will,
did you ever get a chance to hear Lenny and the Wiener do the Mahler 5 live?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Sunnybear
Re: Question for WIll CPT
..and Walter is a truly fine player...shows up at violinist.com every now and again...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Sunnybear
Re: Question for WIll CPT
The clip in Elliot's profile seems to be explained in this discussion:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/17169/comments
But that just makes some of the comments in this one more confusing.
What kennedy said.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by david_h
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I think we should have real good thorough Spring witchhunt here, smoke out the evildoers from their caves, exorcise the whole website, burn all the wicked tunes in the archive, just like they did at Salem, those colonials knew how to do stuff properly in those days...I suppose to be politically that should have read witch-and-warlock hunt...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by wolfbird
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Eliot (and anyone else for that matter), if you want to send a message to or ask a question of a particular member of The Session, please do so through their member profile (using the "send an email" link).
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Jeremy
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Jeremy, are you planning on deleting this thread?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by kennedy
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Whoa! I guess if you play like that elliott, your link, and if you are deluded into thinking that's 'traditional', then just maybe all the endless possibilities of playing it 'better' might be considered 'classical'?...
I wouldn't be making this comment if you hadn't started this. I would have taken that snippet of a recording as just a couple of beginners enjoying a tune as best they could. but with your loose judgement here, I have to listen from the context of this, your discussion and expressed attitude. So, judging one who judges, it's bloody awful...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Kennedy, that is a direct question and should be directed through the members profile, not posted on the site.
Does Eliot mean that Will plays in tune?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Sunnybear
Re: Question for WIll CPT
ceolachan, maybe you missed david_h's pointer to the 'comments' ? where eliot seems, somewhat ambiguously, to suggest that the mp3 sample is a joke. If it isn't a joke, then the guy certainly deserves ritual dismemberment for bringing the music into disrepute. He probably deserves it anyway, on the grounds that he could have phrased his concerns about classical v. traditional without making it an attack on an individual.
Maybe he's a real good musician and can afford to act stupid ?He certainly seems real good on old fashioned insincerity and hypocrisy, touting a website that claims to teach how to 'Create more trust and quality communication in your environment'....sheesh.
I guess it's just a game...'insult a 'friend' and runaway', a wind up to get a bit of attention. Perhaps he's feeling neglected, poor fella ?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by wolfbird
Re: Question for WIll CPT
well i agree the mp3 is a joke........
just to be clear , I am no friend of Will.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I thought we are all friends here, jig ?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by wolfbird
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Hmmm
more a case of live and let live methinks.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Aaw, c'mon jiggy, the sun is shining, I'll buy yer a pint. Plenty of time for a punch up later...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by wolfbird
Re: Question for WIll CPT
hmm, grump ... go on then , mine's a Beamish.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I wonder what kind of response Eliot was hoping for. In any case, I don't think he got it.
Actually Will's posts are mostly about violin playing in general rather than about trad style, and he's usually spot-on. To attack him in this way is ridiculous; he's done nothing to deserve it as far as I can tell.
I wonder if Eliot was thinking that the board would rise up and ridicule Will for not being trad enough. How absurd.
Will's posts are mostly helpful and accurate, and I doubt that anyone here really cares if there's some classical style in his playing. If I were taking lessons from him I might care; otherwise, I'm happy to read his posts and learn from his decades of experience on his instrument.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Marklar
Re: Question for WIll CPT
http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator/rate.gas
Will CPT 1% Evil 99% Good
Eliot 1% Evil 99% Good
The Gods have spoken
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by bowburner
Re: Question for WIll CPT
"without offense and in the spirit of musical friendship"
My @rse
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Even I, as a member of the hoodie-wearing, OAP-mugging, drug-dealing, binge-drinking, shoplifting, window-smashing yob culture, know that there are some things that it's cool to post in a public forum, and some things that are not.
The youth of today has spoken.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by mehitabel23
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Uisce beatha ?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by david_h
Re: Question for WIll CPT
"The youth of today has spoken."
~ are you running for governor of Cardiff or something dear mehitabel23? Somehow, just an inkling of a notion, I can't quite see you representing the average of anything, let alone 'youth'... But, you can mug me anyday, as long as I have advanced warning so I can put on my best miserable-old-git act...and borrow a cane or a zimmerframe so I can fight back with something solid and extendable...
Hey, are we supposed to be asking Will CPT questions on this thread? Hey Will, what's the weather like over your neck of the woods?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Water of life.... whisky
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Perhaps Eliot has a point -
Will CPT, In spite of your copious posts on the subject, I'm afraid you will never capture the subtle lilt of KC and the Sunshine Band or Donna Summer in your playing. Face it, you just can't play disco. Furthermore, your take on the Ace of Spades left me rather uninspired. Perhaps it's time to realize you don't posses the majestic ornaments of Lemme from Motorhead; you can't play metal either. For God's sake don't even get me started on your sad attempts at Christian Dixieland Ska-punk either. Henceforth, I shall take your posts regarding these styles with a rather large, almost Gibraltar sized grain of salt.
I say this without offense and in the spirit of musical friendship - yours in dripping sarcasm,
JNE
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Thanks jig but I was suggesting an explanation, not asking for one ! Is it tommorow yet where they are ?
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by david_h
Re: Question for WIll CPT
well its still today, here...
...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by jig
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Nice one Nutter, I'll have the same as ye...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
This thread reminds me of wilderness wildfires. When I read Eliot's original post I don't see it as an attack on Will, but rather a sincere but awkwardly asked question... an accidental spark so to speak that immediately got blown out of proportion by the onlookers putting Will on the defense and erupted into an out-of-control blaze with a lot of folks taking sides, attacking and counter-attacking. Anyone else see it like that? I did notice Eliot backed out rather soon and hasn’t commented since.
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by Phantom Button
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Wise Elliot, flash fires are nothing to stand around and watch. Bad enough we're all fanning this one... I love the smell of burning tumbleweed, part of the sage family don't yuh know...
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Reading the original post I felt pretty much the same, awkward but no harm intended. What made me suspicious whas Eliot's interpretation of Will's first post, ignoring 2/3 for the part that fitted his "question", and the fact that Eliot reacted considerably worse than Will to the same accusation. While maybe the spark was not intended to cause the fire, the ignitor could have been aware of its potential, much the same like someone who builds a bonfire in a bone dry forest....
# Posted on May 4th 2008 by TMB
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Or the driver speeding off who flicks a lit cigarette into dry grass in an area where fire warnings are clearly posted...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
In extension ~
Discussion: How do you "lose" a classical sound?
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by lazyhound
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/17667
The names have been changed to protect the innocent...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
If we take 'classical' in its often used wider sense, from Agricola and before to Zamlinsky and beyond... If we were to purge ourselves of all hint of any of this ~ Early ~ Baroque ~ Classical ~ Modern ~ we would be bereft of music. Maybe beating driftwood or slate together without any percievable steady and repeating rhythm, would be O.K.?
On conflagrations ~ I believe the person who sets the spark deserves the prosecution they get... As is often repeated, ignorance is no defence...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Just play, and enjoy it.
Can you imagine if someone had told Seve Ballesteros not to hit the ball into the car park, or Viv Richards to stop walking three steps sideways before hitting the ball for six, or Bjorn Borg that nobody uses a two handed backhand? The genious would have been coached out of them.
I think this is a wind up, although by Will's reaction not a welcome one.
Eliot, Doctor Eliot, plays the flute better than me, but could not be described as a great. As long as he enjoys it.
And Will and I love to argue all the time, but personal attacks is a bit over the top.
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by bodhran bliss
Elliot says (no question marks anywhere, just statements) ~
"Will CPT, why do you post so often here on fiddle technique, when ~ you really don't play very traditionally."
(period. ~ despite starting with a 'why', obviously questioning Will's right to comment at all on fiddle technique, whatever authority the author seems to suggest is theirs)
"I don't mean to sound harsh, this is meant very kindly ~"
~ condescending, I know, I've been guilty of it myself, by accident or intent, and I've been on the recieving end before... There is nothing 'kind' about it...
"your playing is just more "classical" ~ than really what I would consider ITM."
OUCH! ~ But again, I have to ask ~ on what authority? What exactly do you mean?
"do you learn tunes from dots"
OUCH! & OUCH AGAIN!!! ~ more assumptions, and nothing at all kind or nice about this one, suggesting that Will hasn't the ears or the understanding to play this music, that, as we have often discussed here, so not new, and consequently one of the worst stabs Elliot could possibly come up with...
"Without offense, and in the spirit of our musical friendship" ~
you're havin' a laugh!!! And someone actually thinks that is light reading? Pishaw!!!
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Well said Bliss...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I wonder how a face-to-face encounter starting with this question would have gone. If we were able to freeze time to scrutinize and analyze every sentence like we can in this forum it would surely change the way the encounter goes. Whereas a face-to-face encounter includes so many more clues about the intent.
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Phantom Button
Re: Question for WIll CPT
True... But that doesn't excuse ignorance when putting it to print, not for me, not for Elliot. If he meant otherwise, well, that is the opportunity a discussion allows, especially one in print. You can start wrong, but you can make adjustments, and you can apologize too. You can admit your ignorance, a rudeness, a discourtesy... The opportunity is there. You can reread what you've written yourself an see where it is unfair or there is room for misunderstanding... However, it is damn hard to retrace your steps and work to undo, correct, an unkindness, a disrespect of another, especially when made public, as here... Again, speaking from personal experience, having sucked on my own toes too often...foot-in-mouth disease...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
What if ... [was Re: Question for WIll CPT
What if ....
What if that sound clip *was* Eliot but he wasn't playing flute?
What if Eliot & Will *did* used to be lovers?
What if there were photos to prove it?
What if they just spent the weekend partying together in a Brokeback-mountaint-like region of Wyoming?
What if they were discussing the depths to which people took each other too seriously on these boards?
What if Eliot drops all of his ornaments when playing mandolin and it really does sound "bluegrassey?"
What if you should really be off learning a tune right now?
What if there really *were* such a thing as sub-minimalism?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89284569
What if all but one of these What Ifs were true? Hmmm -- no, really..... photos? Yeah, maybe. Hmm What if...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by dlewicki
Re: Question for WIll CPT
"C", for as long as the Daily Mail continue to tar us all with the same brush, I will continue to elect myself to speak on behalf of the youth of the nation. After all, we're all the same, really (aren't we?).
I appreciate Eliot's right to ask a question, but why, oh god WHY, post the question on a public forum? You are *asking* for it to be like a wilderness wildfire (thank you PB)! It's a red rag to a load of bulls!!! This is a place for many things but public assessment of each others' playing probably isn't one of them!
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by mehitabel23
Where there's a Will there's a Way ~
The benefit of other influences.... Yes, well, it seems this week is full of me making a fool of myself. I think I'll take up speaking for the 'youth' of the world. You can't shoulder it all Mehitabel...
diewicki ~ you are obviously connected? ~ to the tabloids? ~ & the perpetrators...
Alright, this much I know, trusting the source ~ Elliot is a flute player, and that recording was the first and last time he had a fiddle in his hands... DAMN! ~ Would that we all could pull of something similar to that on the fly...
So we now know, or at least I'm accepting, that some of what diewicki has provided in his "What if ~" list, has a second, from me, via a source who should know. So, if that is true, are the rest of those "What ifs" true? The world works in mysterious ways and I have been just too wound up tight lately to be participating in anything other than the 'Tunes' section...
God bless you Will, and Elliott too, and Mehitabel and the rest who waded in here... So Rev, are you taking confessions? ~ No, that's right, you're not a priest ~ maybe a walk on the wild side and some fishing then? Saltwiter or fresh?
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I'll take your confession... sure... But I'm not so sure that I'm particularly pure and innocent in this one either
For the record, my "guess" to dlewicki's list goes like this:
True
False
True (possible blackmail quality!)
True
True
No Comment
True
God help us
Amen...
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Reverend
Re: Question for WIll CPT ~ well, was it worth it? Was it all you expected?
There be demons amongst us, I just wish I'd put on my waders before gettin' this shight all over me...
~ 
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for the right Reverend
Are you any good a exorcism?
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Question for WIll CPT
erm, how can the existence of photos be "true" if what they purport to prove is false?
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Y'all slay me, absolutely hilarious.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to brush up on my Dixieland Ska Punk Hip Hop fiddlin'.
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Good question, Will, however, I have *seen* the photos, and they certainly seem to prove the former false statement!
# Posted on May 5th 2008 by Reverend
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Yer a scoundrel and a pot stirrer for a man of the cloth....
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
This is either the dumbest thread I have ever read here, or the cleverest windup, one that has a lot of people playing along with the joke.....
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by AlBrown
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I regret that I have not been able to respond to this thread since I first posted my thoughts on Will's playing. It does strike me that some very insightful comments have been made, however, exactly two of the statements made by DLewicki are false and at least one of the conjunctives made by AlBrown is true.
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Eliot
Re: Question for WIll CPT
hmmm...I think AlBrown was right on both counts.
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Hey Eliot--see any large carnivores on your way through Yellowstone?
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I'd like to see Will's account deleted immediately. All these years I've been wasting my time reading his posts. I want those years back!
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Dow
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Yes, but think of all the years you've wasted playing English concertina....
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
What does "CPT" stand for, Will? Huh? "Can't Play Trad"?
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Dow
Re: Question for WIll CPT
You'll have to be quick to think of something for "DOW" otherwise the moment will pass and it won't be funny
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Dow
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Easy peasy:
"Doesn't Ornament Well"
"Dithering Oafish W an ker"
"Da Oirish Washerman"
"Diddles Only Weakly"
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
(Sorry, I was over on another thread being serious about hornpipes and reels.)
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Besides, it's "Classically Phony Trad."
Or "Classical Pseudo Trad" if you prefer.
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Will---just read your mustard page bio, so--
my question for you is--"Whats a MAROON ???
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by hauke
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Apparently I've read WAY too much of this board because I remember his other screen name where the CPT came from.
A hint: Here's Will relaxing in his normal attire:
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19383.jpg
Oh no, now I'm giving him a hard time too. Sorry buddy, I couldn't resist the bandwagon.
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Question for WIll CPT
LOL, Ian, what's a session without slagging among friends.
Hauke, "maroon" is what Bugs Bunny says when he calls someone a moron. I like the irony in that--Bugs mispronouncing a word that insults someone else's intelligence. Seeems fitting, eh Doc?
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Will CPT,
There was a wolf sighting by Jim and Gary -- they took some great photos -- but the closest I saw to a non-humanoid carnivore was a fierce bearded fiddler with rabid hunger in his eyes and oxymoronic humanism that made even the whiskey consider boiling.
Now, back to basics, aren't I supposed to be insulting you in this thread?
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Eliot
Re: Question for WIll CPT
If that rabid fiddler was naked, running through the snow while maddling scraping away at Dispute at the Crossroads, it wasn't me. I swear. I've never even considered doing anything remotely close to that.
I'm glad someone got to see the wolves. No doubt up along the Lamar River, where the bison drop their calves this time of year....
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
They're just making nicey-nice now so that the photos don't need to be publicly displayed, methinks...
And thanks, Will, there's *another* mental image I didn't need...
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Reverend
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Aaha, but that's why God gave us Photoshop...no escape.
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by wolfbird
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Funny, but a lot of those pix are on *my* camera. Seems like I at least have some control over how those are leaked to the media. (But the bedroom *was* rather full of paparazzi, flash bulbs going off, digicams humming. I'm surprised nothing's turned up on Fox News yet....)
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
I'm hoping for YouTube
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Reverend
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Now it's sounding more like produced pornography than a true love affair -- if you'r going to make something up, at least stick to your story!
And if this alleged event did take place, that is, pictures of the two of us in bed -- photoshopped or otherwise, and it somehow became public, then as esteemed academicians, as researchers with international reputations, and as scholars sought after for our furrowed brows, I sincerely anyone would think it more than a childish prank, hardly worthy of a U.S. Senate ethics inquiry (as you imply by your previous post).
I would rather think it a sunny day, with flowers, a bit of wind, and butterflies skitting about, than in some double-wide trailer with onlookers, gawkers, and even, as you say, the ITM-Paparazzi. If you're going to have a hallucination, man, then have a good one!
# Posted on May 6th 2008 by Eliot
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Wait...it's all coming back to me. Someone entered the stall next to mine, and a well-polished wingtip soon came tapping over on my side of the divider. Our shoes touched--just a light kiss of leather on leather. And then a hand-delivered scrap of paper with the abcs for "Touching Cloth" scribbled on it. I was smitten....
# Posted on May 7th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Yikes! The full realization just hit me. My academic career will be dust if the faculty senate at my university finds out about all this....
...that I've secretly been playing jigs and reels and (gasp!) hornpipes all this time!
# Posted on May 7th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
It's time to start a new thread that has nothing to do with your propensity for bathroom hookers at major metro airports and get to a more important topic like ... well, what is more important than that to you?
# Posted on May 7th 2008 by Eliot
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Sigh. Eliot, you had me at "propensity."
# Posted on May 7th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Question for WIll CPT
Just had to make post 100.
Nah nah nah!
# Posted on May 18th 2008 by Eliot