I missed the first 5 minutes of The Bill tonight ... because I was practising my whistle! At this rate, soon there'll be no time left for television at all.
All that good telly, and I'm wasting my life playing music. I mean, for heaven's sake!
There you go, see? You could be watching any one of numerous thoroughly entertaining breakfast shows, maybe a repeat of Friends (againagainagainagainagainagainagain agine [that was a variation I just threw in there]), maybe a kids' show.
And instead you're wasting time playing music. I despair.
No, but my TV watching is interfering with my music playing. I need to throw that giant idiot box out.
…unless there’s a sporting event on, of course, in which case, I do both. We had the best session on my couch last year watching the World Series. Good times.
Ah. I don't know where you're from, Mr Trout. But I'm guessing it's not the UK. Think NYPD Blue only with all the excitement, innovation, humour and drama removed.
If your missing out on valued television time you can always
practise while you watch. Your wife will probably leave you for the squash coach and your kids may join a reclusive, music shunning religious sect but hey, whatever, they'll come back eventually.
Its good to practise playing along with the TV classics channel and you can pick up some good tunes, eg. the theme from "The Bill" is a cracker of a tune on the tin whistle. I know , call me a sicko.........
"Match of the Day " ( is that still on, I've really no idea ) used to be a good tune for a barn dance. I always toyed with the idea of turning the theme for "Treasure Hunt" into a reel, but was discouraged by my SO, who disapproved of my interest In Anneka Rice's bottom.........
Ooh! Never tried the theme tune from The Bill before. I see what you mean, chuneboi. And I'm afraid I do indeed play along. My wife left me some years ago. And my girlfriend has started giving me funny looks ... and rolling her eyes ...
I was a full time (more like full time on a feckin bus) musician for too long. Then I got a proper job and could not only support a family, I could afford a decent instrument.
SWFL - baseball and tunes at the same time? Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Costanza tries to secretly eat a pastrami sandwich while having sex. The best of both worlds indeed.
Good one Ben. Yep, I'm with SWFL Fiddler on this one, no longer is it the teev but the computer that's the big addiction. People keep putting up fantastic links to wonderful stuff on YouTube etc. and I simply gotta follow them. I recon we addicts are learning a heap of stuff we wouldn't already know and we're keeping well informed (about what we wantta be informed about anyways). I don't know about you lot, but I've also got a weather forecast (another sunny day, great clothes drying, not news, but still) and the news in brief when I go to email - so ... new laptop with built-in stereo mic and webcam - can do both things real easy all at the one time. What if ... yer over 50 and what you want to be is a helpful hobo, should I go to carreers advice fer that one?
I don't watch much tv, but there's a really bad soap opera full of bizarre characters and plotless twists that I'm addicted to, so much that it has ruined any chance I might have (wishfully thinking) had at ever being a decent musician.
It usually has a dozen stories going all at once, sometimes in three or four languages, none with any point to them, and the sets are all done in just two colors--kind of a creme yellow and this strange pumpkiny mustardy color....
Mmmm, pastrami... had that for lunch today. Without the sex.
Music greatly impacted my life for the better. I would never have met my wife if I hadn't been playing guitar in the pub that night.
I'm with Michael on the advantages of a proper job. Not that I'm good enough to earn a living on music even if I wanted to, but I like having a steady income so that I can fully subsidize my real passions. Also, I find that doing something "professionally" takes much of the fun out of it for me, because economic considerations trump your desires. A great example here is country music. If I wanted a fairly reliable paying gig, I could play bass in a country band. However, I don't like playing bass and I like country even less. But if music is a hobby that I support with a different job, then I can do whatever I want.
My boyfriend took all eleven of my whistles and hid them on me so I would finish my term papers this semester...this is something that he does frequently so that I will do other things such as eat, shower, blink, etc.
I think you have posed a rather interesting question, benhall. Maybe I'll think about it some more after I play some music.
Gain weight
Lose more arguments with my wife
Earn less income than I could
Spend money I don't have (see above)
Lose sleep
and
Be happier than I would be if I weren't playing music.
Having known many "full time " musicians over the years, I feel that "having a proper job" and playing music as an *expression* of life, is far better, both for the music and the psyche, then music *as* life.
The best, most inspiring, music, seems to come from people who play music for fun and who are not too precious about it.
Hey I'm looking for a project! Just had a brainwave. Came across a sign yesterday while taking a homeless lady I somehow picked up from the shops looking for her husband (see the helpful hobo bit! People seem to know I'm always good for a lift. Got sucker stamped on me forehead). He was wearing a blue tee-shirt, but we didn't find him. We drove around the place, all the parks looking for him, down this little private dirt driveway, with an entry prohibited sign, into an open park, one I'd been to on a very regular basis, but always from along the footpath and never from the forbidden driveway (usually locked), and there was this sign "Folk Club" in front of a little building in the park. Hey, its in the park that starts across the street. What a project, hey! Maybe, just maybe ...
But don't denigrate the musician who does it for a living. Some have to. Some are just so utterly useless at anything else that they have no option. It quite simply is all that they can do.
Things I don't do so much anymore now that my fiddle has taken over my life:
1. Wake up late (I'm not a morning person and I don't even care)
2. Watch 120+ baseball games per season (I do feel guilty for not knowing all the stats for every player in the league)
3. Talk to my friends on the phone (they always call at 8-9 pm, prime practice time!)
4. Read books (should I feel embarrassed about this?)
I dunno, I can almost play reels at speed now, and that's just a thrilling feeling. Worth everything.
Nope; it's music all day long, every day, for me. In the classroom (orchestra, band, singing, etc) all day; tuning pianos in the afternoon and weekends; choir gig on Sundays; I look forward to our Monday session since it's the only thing I do for myself all week long.
Me too, GPT, we play on Thursdays and that's
what I look forward to all week. Playing during
the week to prepare. 'Cept when guitar player
calls in sick, etc. I have not gone solo yet on
fiddle on the Thursday.
TV.... I've had a viewable TV connection for maybe 4 of the past 25 years. Haven't had a cable connection at all for the past 10 years (that means zero TV connection where I live). Watching TV is NOT a life (IMHO, of course). It's just passively passing time until you die. Nothing more nothing less. 30 minutes on a sitcom is 30 minutes you'll never get back... Unfortunately, many people do nothing else with their "spare" time...
I don't know if music is ruining my life or not...but the very question - the heading, sent me into a fit of maniacal giggling. This surprising response to a simple question... well, it may be an ominous sign.
Passing time until you die - that was well put gw. It describes most of the content on TV and the internet as well. I try to choose what I do with my time on the tube and the internet very carefully: a good HBO miniseries (they only happen every few years anyway), major news events, the World Series (missed the last one though - go Red Sox!), discussion forums that I truly enjoy. Occasionally there is a good comedy series or drama on TV that I watch sporadically.
Regarding working musicians: I would hazard a guess that almost all the music in my collection was recorded by people who are so good at what they do, they can record exactly the kind of music they want to. So they are probably living a very fulfilling life, whether they make decent money or not. Sometimes a professional cover band has to play music that they might not like but that the crowd demands. Maybe they're just not gifted songwriters or they only have the time to practice some well-known songs together. I might enjoy that for fun and beer money, but not for a living. Someone's gotta do it though.
Commuting to work is ruining my life. A slightly redeeming quality is that I have plenty of time to listen to tunes. I currently have a headful that I need to transfer to the fiddle.
I do the same thing, Bob. I wish I'd shelled out the extra cash for a larger capacity iPod! But hearing those tunes over and over during the 25-minute train ride probably helps when I get home and practice.
Work is ruining my music...I would be much further down the road if it weren't for work interfering with my practice, luckily we have long, long holidays in which I can catch up a wee bit
fiddlin's turned my fingers black
I've got a sore arm, neck and back
my ABCs are now much shorter
I drink a lot more stout and porter
It sounds like I might be complainin'
(I was -- about the finger stainin')
but ditto what Will CPT said
There's life, there's playing, and then there's dead
The drink might ruin your life, or bad company, or ignoring your duties and responsibilities, or lack of sleep perhaps.
But music is joy, and cannot ruin anything.
Maybe life can ruin your life Just depends on what happens between birth and death. It can be a bumpy ride. For me, music is one of the things that makes it tolerable.
Music enhances life, describes life, evokes life...it can't ruin your life. LIFE...is about choices. To choose DOING, creating, and being rather than watching, envying and wanting is life enhancing...and music is a fantastic medium of doing....and far better than scrapbooking, car collecting, dog breeding or any of the other bizarre and wonderful ways that people choose to connect to other people and find a language and activity that unites them...
What a great thread, and what a great buncha folks.
Well, I'm going to keep on grinding away here in work-land until the kids are grown, then I'm going to make like Clear Drops and become a Helpful Fiddlin' Hobo, I think.
Discovered? As in noticing relationships in the concrete world and then realizing that the current state of mathematical theory could model the relationships? That happens, of course, but often the theory is constructed first as a purely abstract exercise, just because it seemed interesting or because it made an appropriate dissertation topic.
Think you got lost in the labyrinth, Bob. This here's the Therapy Room. Normative epistemology and ontology seminar is way down the corridor that leads to last week...
Ruin my back, more likely. I call my bass amplifier The Fridge and it had to be shifted to and from the gig last night along with lots of other things.
Is music ruining your life?
Is music ruining your life?
I missed the first 5 minutes of The Bill tonight ... because I was practising my whistle! At this rate, soon there'll be no time left for television at all.
All that good telly, and I'm wasting my life playing music. I mean, for heaven's sake!
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by benhall.1
Re: Is music ruining your life?
I don't think so, but my friends think I'm crazy because I get up an hour early so I can play for an hour before going to work.
Mary
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by Antikhntr
Re: Is music ruining your life?
What life?
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by Bob himself
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Bill who?
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by jtrout
Re: Is music ruining your life?
There you go, see? You could be watching any one of numerous thoroughly entertaining breakfast shows, maybe a repeat of Friends (againagainagainagainagainagainagain agine [that was a variation I just threw in there]), maybe a kids' show.
And instead you're wasting time playing music. I despair.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by benhall.1
Re: Is music ruining your life?
No, but my TV watching is interfering with my music playing. I need to throw that giant idiot box out.
…unless there’s a sporting event on, of course, in which case, I do both. We had the best session on my couch last year watching the World Series. Good times.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Ah. I don't know where you're from, Mr Trout. But I'm guessing it's not the UK. Think NYPD Blue only with all the excitement, innovation, humour and drama removed.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by benhall.1
Re: Is music ruining your life?
If your missing out on valued television time you can always
practise while you watch. Your wife will probably leave you for the squash coach and your kids may join a reclusive, music shunning religious sect but hey, whatever, they'll come back eventually.
Its good to practise playing along with the TV classics channel and you can pick up some good tunes, eg. the theme from "The Bill" is a cracker of a tune on the tin whistle. I know , call me a sicko.........
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by chuneboi slim
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Perhaps the question could be re-worded "Is life ruining your music?"
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by lazyhound
Re: Is music ruining your life?
"Match of the Day " ( is that still on, I've really no idea ) used to be a good tune for a barn dance. I always toyed with the idea of turning the theme for "Treasure Hunt" into a reel, but was discouraged by my SO, who disapproved of my interest In Anneka Rice's bottom.........
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Ooh! Never tried the theme tune from The Bill before. I see what you mean, chuneboi. And I'm afraid I do indeed play along. My wife left me some years ago. And my girlfriend has started giving me funny looks ... and rolling her eyes ...
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by benhall.1
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Anneka Rice's bottom was a gross and lardy fright.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by nicholas
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Admittedly, the front view was worse.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by nicholas
Re: Is music ruining your life?
It probably just needs a bit of renovating
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by benhall.1
Re: Is music ruining your life?
My life supports my music.
When asked, I tell people I am a musician who unfortunately has to have a 'day job' to keep keep the kids in the circumstances they have become to.
I think there are periods when I put in more time on my music...most of it free for nothing... than I do at work.
I have my priorities
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by zippydw
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A musician with a day job? Kids can't live on gig money? I use all those lines and more, I hear ya zippy.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Is music ruining your life?
I was a full time (more like full time on a feckin bus) musician for too long. Then I got a proper job and could not only support a family, I could afford a decent instrument.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Now who's this Anneka Rice?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Anneka+Rice&search_type=
She's almost fifty, I guess? She's seems to be holding up fairly well, mother of three, etc. She's rich, right? UK TV star? How can you go wrong?
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
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True that, llig. The added bonus is that you're not dependent on making money with your music for survival, which is a nice place to be in.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
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...but the topic was watching TV instead of playing tunes, and here am I with on the computer instead of playing tunes...
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Is music ruining your life?
SWFL - baseball and tunes at the same time? Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Costanza tries to secretly eat a pastrami sandwich while having sex. The best of both worlds indeed.
# Posted on April 23rd 2008 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
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Good one Ben. Yep, I'm with SWFL Fiddler on this one, no longer is it the teev but the computer that's the big addiction. People keep putting up fantastic links to wonderful stuff on YouTube etc. and I simply gotta follow them. I recon we addicts are learning a heap of stuff we wouldn't already know and we're keeping well informed (about what we wantta be informed about
anyways). I don't know about you lot, but I've also got a weather forecast (another sunny day, great clothes drying, not news, but still) and the news in brief when I go to email - so ... new laptop with built-in stereo mic and webcam - can do both things real easy all at the one time. What if ... yer over 50 and what you want to be is a helpful hobo, should I go to carreers advice fer that one?
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Clear Drops
Re: Is music ruining your life?
I don't watch much tv, but there's a really bad soap opera full of bizarre characters and plotless twists that I'm addicted to, so much that it has ruined any chance I might have (wishfully thinking) had at ever being a decent musician.
It usually has a dozen stories going all at once, sometimes in three or four languages, none with any point to them, and the sets are all done in just two colors--kind of a creme yellow and this strange pumpkiny mustardy color....
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Mmmm, pastrami... had that for lunch today. Without the sex.
Music greatly impacted my life for the better. I would never have met my wife if I hadn't been playing guitar in the pub that night.
I'm with Michael on the advantages of a proper job. Not that I'm good enough to earn a living on music even if I wanted to, but I like having a steady income so that I can fully subsidize my real passions. Also, I find that doing something "professionally" takes much of the fun out of it for me, because economic considerations trump your desires. A great example here is country music. If I wanted a fairly reliable paying gig, I could play bass in a country band. However, I don't like playing bass and I like country even less. But if music is a hobby that I support with a different job, then I can do whatever I want.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Scott Esch
Re: Is music ruining your life?
My boyfriend took all eleven of my whistles and hid them on me so I would finish my term papers this semester...this is something that he does frequently so that I will do other things such as eat, shower, blink, etc.
I think you have posed a rather interesting question, benhall. Maybe I'll think about it some more after I play some music.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Tasia
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Playing this music has led me to:
Gain weight
Lose more arguments with my wife
Earn less income than I could
Spend money I don't have (see above)
Lose sleep
and
Be happier than I would be if I weren't playing music.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Having known many "full time " musicians over the years, I feel that "having a proper job" and playing music as an *expression* of life, is far better, both for the music and the psyche, then music *as* life.
The best, most inspiring, music, seems to come from people who play music for fun and who are not too precious about it.
But that's just me
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Bren
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Hey I'm looking for a project! Just had a brainwave. Came across a sign yesterday while taking a homeless lady I somehow picked up from the shops looking for her husband (see the helpful hobo bit! People seem to know I'm always good for a lift. Got sucker stamped on me forehead). He was wearing a blue tee-shirt, but we didn't find him. We drove around the place, all the parks looking for him, down this little private dirt driveway, with an entry prohibited sign, into an open park, one I'd been to on a very regular basis, but always from along the footpath and never from the forbidden driveway (usually locked), and there was this sign "Folk Club" in front of a little building in the park. Hey, its in the park that starts across the street. What a project, hey! Maybe, just maybe ...
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Clear Drops
Re: Is music ruining your life?
But don't denigrate the musician who does it for a living. Some have to. Some are just so utterly useless at anything else that they have no option. It quite simply is all that they can do.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Things I don't do so much anymore now that my fiddle has taken over my life:
1. Wake up late (I'm not a morning person and I don't even care)
2. Watch 120+ baseball games per season (I do feel guilty for not knowing all the stats for every player in the league)
3. Talk to my friends on the phone (they always call at 8-9 pm, prime practice time!)
4. Read books (should I feel embarrassed about this?)
I dunno, I can almost play reels at speed now, and that's just a thrilling feeling. Worth everything.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by kennedy
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Is my music ruining your life?
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by dogmageek
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Nope; it's music all day long, every day, for me. In the classroom (orchestra, band, singing, etc) all day; tuning pianos in the afternoon and weekends; choir gig on Sundays; I look forward to our Monday session since it's the only thing I do for myself all week long.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Greg the Piano Tuner
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Me too, GPT, we play on Thursdays and that's
what I look forward to all week. Playing during
the week to prepare. 'Cept when guitar player
calls in sick, etc. I have not gone solo yet on
fiddle on the Thursday.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by dogmageek
Re: Is music ruining your life?
TV.... I've had a viewable TV connection for maybe 4 of the past 25 years. Haven't had a cable connection at all for the past 10 years (that means zero TV connection where I live). Watching TV is NOT a life (IMHO, of course). It's just passively passing time until you die. Nothing more nothing less. 30 minutes on a sitcom is 30 minutes you'll never get back... Unfortunately, many people do nothing else with their "spare" time...
Ah, sweet music!!
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by gw
Re: Is music ruining your life?
I don't know if music is ruining my life or not...but the very question - the heading, sent me into a fit of maniacal giggling. This surprising response to a simple question... well, it may be an ominous sign.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by oriley
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Passing time until you die - that was well put gw. It describes most of the content on TV and the internet as well. I try to choose what I do with my time on the tube and the internet very carefully: a good HBO miniseries (they only happen every few years anyway), major news events, the World Series (missed the last one though - go Red Sox!), discussion forums that I truly enjoy. Occasionally there is a good comedy series or drama on TV that I watch sporadically.
Regarding working musicians: I would hazard a guess that almost all the music in my collection was recorded by people who are so good at what they do, they can record exactly the kind of music they want to. So they are probably living a very fulfilling life, whether they make decent money or not. Sometimes a professional cover band has to play music that they might not like but that the crowd demands. Maybe they're just not gifted songwriters or they only have the time to practice some well-known songs together. I might enjoy that for fun and beer money, but not for a living. Someone's gotta do it though.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Scott Esch
Re: Is music ruining your life?
I've just written a new tune , it's called "Anneka Rice's."
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by chuneboi slim
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Commuting to work is ruining my life. A slightly redeeming quality is that I have plenty of time to listen to tunes. I currently have a headful that I need to transfer to the fiddle.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Bob himself
Re: Is music ruining your life?
I do the same thing, Bob. I wish I'd shelled out the extra cash for a larger capacity iPod! But hearing those tunes over and over during the 25-minute train ride probably helps when I get home and practice.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Scott Esch
Re: Is music ruining your life?
No, that would be MySpace. I'd be practicing more or at least studying Flash actionscripting.
MySpace is a thief of days AND nights.
I need a MySpace intervention! LOL
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Fishmonger
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Work is ruining my music...I would be much further down the road if it weren't for work interfering with my practice, luckily we have long, long holidays in which I can catch up a wee bit
Regards
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Shylock
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fiddlin's turned my fingers black
I've got a sore arm, neck and back
my ABCs are now much shorter
I drink a lot more stout and porter
It sounds like I might be complainin'
(I was -- about the finger stainin')
but ditto what Will CPT said
There's life, there's playing, and then there's dead
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by airport
Re: Is music ruining your life?
The drink might ruin your life, or bad company, or ignoring your duties and responsibilities, or lack of sleep perhaps.
But music is joy, and cannot ruin anything.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by AlBrown
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Maybe life can ruin your life
Just depends on what happens between birth and death. It can be a bumpy ride. For me, music is one of the things that makes it tolerable.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by wolfbird
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Music enhances life, describes life, evokes life...it can't ruin your life. LIFE...is about choices. To choose DOING, creating, and being rather than watching, envying and wanting is life enhancing...and music is a fantastic medium of doing....and far better than scrapbooking, car collecting, dog breeding or any of the other bizarre and wonderful ways that people choose to connect to other people and find a language and activity that unites them...
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by TheCurvyFiddle
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What a great thread, and what a great buncha folks.
Well, I'm going to keep on grinding away here in work-land until the kids are grown, then I'm going to make like Clear Drops and become a Helpful Fiddlin' Hobo, I think.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Is music ruining your life?
No, music is not ruining my life. It is my favorite activity to do in my free time when I am not working at my day job at a local hospital.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by fauxcelt
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Is this still going on?
Discovered? As in noticing relationships in the concrete world and then realizing that the current state of mathematical theory could model the relationships? That happens, of course, but often the theory is constructed first as a purely abstract exercise, just because it seemed interesting or because it made an appropriate dissertation topic.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Bob himself
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Think you got lost in the labyrinth, Bob. This here's the Therapy Room. Normative epistemology and ontology seminar is way down the corridor that leads to last week...
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by wolfbird
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Oh, thanks. Cheerio..
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by Bob himself
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Knowledge and being. Hmm ... think I'll play some more whistle ...
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by benhall.1
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PS Anybody know what happened in The Bill tonight? I missed it.
# Posted on April 24th 2008 by benhall.1
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Ommmmmmm.........Hmmmmm......
benhal's post reminded me of The Moody Blues, all those years ago. Knowledge. Being. Man, this is profound stuff...
# Posted on April 25th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Is music ruining your life?
What is TV? More new fangled IT I suppose.
# Posted on April 25th 2008 by bodhran bliss
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Ruin my back, more likely. I call my bass amplifier The Fridge and it had to be shifted to and from the gig last night along with lots of other things.
# Posted on April 27th 2008 by kuec
Re: Is music ruining your life?
Kuec, would it be possible for you to either use a smaller amplifier or use a three-quarter size Englehardt bass fiddle for your gigs?
# Posted on April 28th 2008 by fauxcelt