As a fiddler, what's most noteworthy to me about that clip (despite Athena's fetching hair tossing and eye popping ) is how little bow Liz and Eileen use (the vast majority of the time) to get all that pulse and life and power.
Yeah, such subtle movements, marvelous. And Liz has her left palm flat to the neck of the fiddle. Such great illustration of how classical fiddle technique is so redundent.
(and John Doyle's stumming is very good indeed. I had a tune with him a few weeks ago ... sorry sorry sorry, I know, shameless name dropping, sorry sorry).
Paddy Fahy never gave his tunes names (or numbers, for that matter). All of them are "Paddy Fahy's". You ask "which 'Paddy Fahy's' was it?". The answer is "the one in C, that goes like this: http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7087";
And lastly, holding your wrist the way Liz does in that video is practically *asking* for carpal tunnel syndrome (let's all collectively pray for Liz), regardless of your opinion on the merits of classical training.
Why the "sigh?" Not everyone has the time (or in my case, the inclination) to search past threads before posting. I mean, heaven forbid something should get repeated or reiterated. I had never heard of the "Absolutely Irish" show. I stumbled across the YouTube vid, liked it and decided to share it here...
Thanks for the "Paddy Fahy's" lesson.
Lastly, I doubt we need to pray for Liz. The way she holds her instrument obviously works for her. The body mechanics of classical training is NOT for everyone. In fact, I would argue that forcing the body into a position that might not be natural to that particular body is much more stressful on the ligaments and tendons than just letting the instrument settle in in a natural way... This could be its own thread, but I haven't searched to see if it has been broached in the tens of thousands of previous posts.
I watched that until Eileen Ivers started playing and nearly made me puke. There's two Paddy Fahey tunes there both butchered, the first played by Athena whatsername, the second by Eileen Ivers.
I've recordings of Paddy Fahey playing those tunes himself, he plays them about half that speed and much more gracefully. His melodies deserve better than to be played that fast, the beauty of them gets lost by that kind of showy playing.
I had to laugh at the description on the Youtube page saying they were the three best Irish fiddlers around, of those three only Liz Carroll deserves to be mentioned in such a category.
"I watched that until Eileen Ivers started playing and nearly made me puke..."
That's quite a visceral reaction! I thought it was quite lively and fun, two things that never make me feel like puking--unless too much drink in involved
To each their own. And yes, John Doyle does indeed ROCK!
Isn't it just frisbee (not "you guys") who's been critical here (and benhall's damning with faint praise)? So it's a minority of one who's said anything negative about these three lovely players.
Sorry to have been part of something negative, Will. Just personal taste. But I don't think I'm alone (apart from the stunningly negative reaction of frisbee). You'll note that KML, for instance, has stayed well clear of this thread ...
... of course, I could be wrong, he may be a big fan ...
No worries Ben. Their playing may not be to your taste, that's all.
Yet all three clearly have the chops. I'd be leery of judging anyone's overall approach to the music from just one YouTube clip, though.
Case in point -- when she wants to, Eileen Ivers can play some of the best pure drop, straight trad, egoless fiddle around. Impeccable timing, great lift and life, and variations that don't stray into fusion. Just because she often plays with a broader brush doesn't mean she's not also a freaking amazing Irish trad fiddler.
True Will. I wish Eileen Ivers would put out a CD of straight trad. Some of her old cherish the ladies stuff is incredible, if I recall correctly. I guess I'm not as much of a fan of her new stuff either, it's just that watching these videos its clear she does have a ridiculous amount of talent on the fiddle, regardless of where she takes it.
Actually, I expected the usual criticism of Ivers... it's just that I was expecting Athena to play in a similar style after reading frisbees comment, but her playing didn't strike me as straying much further from the tradition than Liz's.
All I know is that Athena is challenging Muireann Nic Amhlaoibh on my list of the most smokingist hot chicks in trad today. Holy cow. Whew. Hubba hubba. I need a cold shower.
I don't know about Eileen Ivers, Will. I probably don't listen to enough CDs or something. I've never *heard* anything of hers I like. Doesn't mean to say there wouldn't be something out there of hers that *might* appeal ...
'All I know is that Athena is challenging Muireann Nic Amhlaoibh on my list of the most smokingist hot chicks in trad today. Holy cow. Whew. Hubba hubba. I need a cold shower.'
Jayzus wept, will someone dunk this poor lad's head in the nearest stream.
Good to see unreconstructed sexism still rearing its ugly head from the US posters on this site.
Unreconstructed sexism?!?! Are you high?!?! I'll have you know I was raised like all proper American boys with Baby Boomer parents, as a self-hating male with proper feminist and atheistic propaganda, thank you very much!
Good Lord man. I'm just finally feeling better, it's taken YEARS to get rid of that nonsense.
A friend of mine has fiddle camp tapes of Eileen playing solo, and some with Mick Moloney. Blindingly good pure drop. Her 1993 cd, Traditional Irish Music: Eileen Ivers, isn't all straight trad, and you purists will have to ignore some (or all) of the backing, but it gives a good taste of Eileen's more trad side. I particularly like her basic version of Humours of Ballyloughlin, the reels on track 7 (especially Kerryman's Daughter), and the final track on the album. Again, listen to the fiddle and tune out the backing if that's not your cuppa tea.
It's not because I'm a purist. I don't think I am, in fact. I just don't like anything of hers I've heard yet. Anyway, if someone has it to listen to, I'll give it a go ...
And here's a more recent clip of her and Jerry O'Sullivan playing one of their standards, Maid At the Spinning Wheel (granted, it's a little hard to hear her over the pipes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TRJQtf_x44
I'm sorry. I'm a lost cause, I know. I've heard that first one before, and I'm afraid it leaves me cold. And the other one I had to turn off when Ms Ivers started.
Thanks for trying, Will. I don't know what it is, I just don't like it.
Her style has certainly changed---even in the second clip you can hear the more upbeat rhythm she prefers now. I don't think I'm a purist either (although maybe I am, who knows), but I do like her older style better. Thanks for posting those links.
I've always enjoyed Liz's playing, but I've never been a fan of Iver's direction. Athena I've known since she was a child prodigy and she's a friend of mine now. I've always enjoyed her playing, and playing along with her as well. It's funny how my impression is overwhelmed by my relationship with her; when she's playing I see and hear a friend and even if I had any reason to, I don't have any impulse to criticize her. But as I said, I've always enjoyed her playing and I always doubly enjoy seeing her pop up in places like this. One time she popped up on our TV playing with Sharron Shannon in Dublin on Irish TV at some huge venue there. All I could think was, "GO ATHENA!!!"
I feel I have to defend my comments about Eileen Ivers and
Athena Thergis. The main reason I hated their playing on this clip so much is because I'm a huge fan of Paddy Fahey's tunes and his playing style.
Since they both played Fahey tunes I found their interpretations to be so far removed from what Fahey does himself that I was just annoyed. I know trad is all about individual expression but sometimes individuals just don't get what a tune is all about. Those Fahey tunes have lots of notes in them so the more showy fiddle players like these might like to use them to show off their abilities, whereas in reality these tunes are much much better played slowly so the beauty of the melodies come shining through. Fahey considers his music listening music rather than dancing music so he doesn't like them played too fast.
I don't know much about Athena Thergis other than that she's getting a lot of praise in the US, she's not very well known over here though. I just wasn't impressed by her playing of that Paddy Fahey tune, I'm open to the fact that she may be better than that.
I've watched this clip a few times and what Eileen Ivers does in this clip does nearly make me puke every time I see it, those variations she throws in are just awful!
I've heard her playing some solo stuff with John Doyle before I thought it was pretty good. There's no doubting she's a talented virtuoso player, I just think she has absolutely no sense of musical taste these days, I mean has anyone seen this?!
Frisbee, I think what you're up against here is that you're criticising a specific person, and not just a particular playing style---with this being a public forum, people are reluctant to say negative things about someone who, for all we know, could be reading the comments herself---I doubt you would say those things directly to Ivers.
I think if your criticisms weren't focused on one particular person you would find a lot more agreement. It's kind of a shame because that kind of argument prevents you from giving specific examples, like "I can't stand vibrato in jigs, look at this YouTube clip of Charlie O'Hara and see what I mean".
Kennedy, what you're basically saying here is that it's better to talk behind someone's back than to say it out in the open. Now there is a small chance Eileen Ivers reads this and if she does I really don't care. If I ever met her and she asked me what I thought of her playing I'd be honest with her, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't give a rats ass what I think of her playing!
I'm sure she's a nice woman and my comments are not about her as a person, it's about her approach to Irish music which I've little time for. As I've said I know she is a very talented musician and good luck to her.
I've no problem being outspoken about things, anyone who knows me will tell you that. If you don't have the guts to stand up and say, I think this is great/awful/ordinary then what's the point in making any comments?
If everyone just commented 'yes I agree this is wonderful' then either (a) it truly was wonderful without any doubt or (b) people are just too bland to say what they really feel.
There is a sad tendency in the trad scene to just say everything is great and 'aren't we brilliant'. Sometimes though it's better to take a critical look at things, to really question whether something which is hyped up deserves the hype.
gw posted this because he thinks it's great, I looked at it to see why and found I disagreed and so I explained this in very direct terms which I guess some people can't handle.
Sometimes I feel like Jack Nicholson
'You wanna know the truth.....You can't handle the truth!!!!'
More to the point, frisbee--if you're the sort of person who'd tell a musician to his or her face that their playing makes you "want to puke," instead of offering a lucid, reasoned critique, then your opinion will carry little to no weight with anyone who matters.
There's a difference between being critical and just being juvenile about it.
Will, if you think my natural honest reaction to hearing it is juvenile then I'm happy for you to call me juvenile.
Funny I once spoke to a very well known musician about a very well known band and he told me that after a performance of theirs he was asked by some people very publicly what he thought and being the direct honest person he is he couldn't help but say 'it made me physically sick!'.
Sometimes people see things they don't like and their natural reaction is to be brutally honest, that's just what I did. I wasn't just joking, when I watched that clip it honestly nearly made me puke once Ms Ivers got into her variations!
Another thing Will, at least I'm happy to say exactly what my name is and what I play and do. On the other hand some people make strong or bland comments on this site and hide who they really are by saying things like
"this is just a screen persona, sound and flurry, a blip in cipherspace"
Ha Ha! You didn't get under my skin in the slightest, there's nothing touchy about my response. There's a difference between brutal honesty and touchiness you know.
Name these tunes...
Name these tunes...
This absolutely rocks my boat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR1l169_mVA
What are titles of the tunes played in this clip?
Thanks in advance!
# Posted on March 7th 2008 by gw
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Don't know, but thats some music eh? They'll get better with practice I think.
# Posted on March 7th 2008 by eddie
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Don't know the first four tunes by name, but the last one is "The Boys of Malin".
# Posted on March 7th 2008 by s.g.
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The third one's Paddy Fahey's.
# Posted on March 7th 2008 by nicholas
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Actually. I mean the one before Boys of Malin, played by Athena Tergis (or being played when her name comes up).
# Posted on March 7th 2008 by nicholas
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First ones= NEVER WAS PIPEING SO GAY = Ed . Reavy
Next two no
last one= The Boys of Malin
You've heard of three Tenors - Now eat your
heart out - lol
jim
# Posted on March 7th 2008 by FIDDLE4
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nicholas said:
"The third one's Paddy Fahey's."
Which one? There are many reels associated with Fahey's name.
# Posted on March 7th 2008 by s.g.
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I mean the one in the Tunes base here, apparently also called Paddy Fahy's No. 1.
# Posted on March 8th 2008 by nicholas
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lovely playing, really enjoyed that, thanks. I love all three (but my soft spot is reserved for Liz)
# Posted on March 8th 2008 by llig leahcim
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I'm obviously just an old curmudgeon. I *only* liked Liz Carroll in that.
# Posted on March 8th 2008 by benhall.1
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Picky picky. All three ladies know how to have a good time.
And... how could anybody not like John Doyle's playing? I'm smiling, just thinking about it. :>)
# Posted on March 8th 2008 by mickray
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As a fiddler, what's most noteworthy to me about that clip (despite Athena's fetching hair tossing and eye popping
) is how little bow Liz and Eileen use (the vast majority of the time) to get all that pulse and life and power.
# Posted on March 8th 2008 by Will CPT
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Yeah, such subtle movements, marvelous. And Liz has her left palm flat to the neck of the fiddle. Such great illustration of how classical fiddle technique is so redundent.
(and John Doyle's stumming is very good indeed. I had a tune with him a few weeks ago ... sorry sorry sorry, I know, shameless name dropping, sorry sorry).
# Posted on March 8th 2008 by llig leahcim
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Sigh. Another "Absolutely Irish" youtube post...
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/16924
Paddy Fahy never gave his tunes names (or numbers, for that matter). All of them are "Paddy Fahy's". You ask "which 'Paddy Fahy's' was it?". The answer is "the one in C, that goes like this:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7087";
And lastly, holding your wrist the way Liz does in that video is practically *asking* for carpal tunnel syndrome (let's all collectively pray for Liz), regardless of your opinion on the merits of classical training.
# Posted on March 9th 2008 by Georgi
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Why the "sigh?" Not everyone has the time (or in my case, the inclination) to search past threads before posting. I mean, heaven forbid something should get repeated or reiterated. I had never heard of the "Absolutely Irish" show. I stumbled across the YouTube vid, liked it and decided to share it here...
Thanks for the "Paddy Fahy's" lesson.
Lastly, I doubt we need to pray for Liz. The way she holds her instrument obviously works for her. The body mechanics of classical training is NOT for everyone. In fact, I would argue that forcing the body into a position that might not be natural to that particular body is much more stressful on the ligaments and tendons than just letting the instrument settle in in a natural way... This could be its own thread, but I haven't searched to see if it has been broached in the tens of thousands of previous posts.
# Posted on March 9th 2008 by gw
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I watched that until Eileen Ivers started playing and nearly made me puke. There's two Paddy Fahey tunes there both butchered, the first played by Athena whatsername, the second by Eileen Ivers.
I've recordings of Paddy Fahey playing those tunes himself, he plays them about half that speed and much more gracefully. His melodies deserve better than to be played that fast, the beauty of them gets lost by that kind of showy playing.
I had to laugh at the description on the Youtube page saying they were the three best Irish fiddlers around, of those three only Liz Carroll deserves to be mentioned in such a category.
Anyway, rant over............
# Posted on March 9th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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Does anyone else find Athena Tergis' facial expressions a bit disturbing?...............8-0
# Posted on March 10th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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Ok now I look like a right old moan so I'll add something positive, John Doyle rocks!!
# Posted on March 10th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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"I watched that until Eileen Ivers started playing and nearly made me puke..."
That's quite a visceral reaction! I thought it was quite lively and fun, two things that never make me feel like puking--unless too much drink in involved
To each their own. And yes, John Doyle does indeed ROCK!
# Posted on March 10th 2008 by gw
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I'd love to see a video with the likes of you guys playing and have those ladies watching and commenting.
# Posted on March 10th 2008 by Phantom Button
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I hadn't heard of Athena Tergis before, but damn. How do you guys hate on her playing? She's fantastic.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by Nathan G
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Isn't it just frisbee (not "you guys") who's been critical here (and benhall's damning with faint praise)? So it's a minority of one who's said anything negative about these three lovely players.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by Will CPT
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Sorry to have been part of something negative, Will. Just personal taste. But I don't think I'm alone (apart from the stunningly negative reaction of frisbee). You'll note that KML, for instance, has stayed well clear of this thread ...
... of course, I could be wrong, he may be a big fan ...
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by benhall.1
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No worries Ben. Their playing may not be to your taste, that's all.
Yet all three clearly have the chops. I'd be leery of judging anyone's overall approach to the music from just one YouTube clip, though.
Case in point -- when she wants to, Eileen Ivers can play some of the best pure drop, straight trad, egoless fiddle around. Impeccable timing, great lift and life, and variations that don't stray into fusion. Just because she often plays with a broader brush doesn't mean she's not also a freaking amazing Irish trad fiddler.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by Will CPT
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True Will. I wish Eileen Ivers would put out a CD of straight trad. Some of her old cherish the ladies stuff is incredible, if I recall correctly. I guess I'm not as much of a fan of her new stuff either, it's just that watching these videos its clear she does have a ridiculous amount of talent on the fiddle, regardless of where she takes it.
Actually, I expected the usual criticism of Ivers... it's just that I was expecting Athena to play in a similar style after reading frisbees comment, but her playing didn't strike me as straying much further from the tradition than Liz's.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by Nathan G
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I've never heard Eileen Ivers play Irish music that didn't halfway sound like jazz. Would love to know where to find some...
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by kennedy
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All I know is that Athena is challenging Muireann Nic Amhlaoibh on my list of the most smokingist hot chicks in trad today. Holy cow. Whew. Hubba hubba. I need a cold shower.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
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... again, SWFL, different tastes ...
I don't know about Eileen Ivers, Will. I probably don't listen to enough CDs or something. I've never *heard* anything of hers I like. Doesn't mean to say there wouldn't be something out there of hers that *might* appeal ...
... I dare say it's deficiency in me ...
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by benhall.1
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'All I know is that Athena is challenging Muireann Nic Amhlaoibh on my list of the most smokingist hot chicks in trad today. Holy cow. Whew. Hubba hubba. I need a cold shower.'
Jayzus wept, will someone dunk this poor lad's head in the nearest stream.
Good to see unreconstructed sexism still rearing its ugly head from the US posters on this site.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by Floss the Tethers
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She looked straight at me, I swear it.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by nicholas
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Maybe she fancies me or something.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by nicholas
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Unreconstructed sexism?!?! Are you high?!?! I'll have you know I was raised like all proper American boys with Baby Boomer parents, as a self-hating male with proper feminist and atheistic propaganda, thank you very much!
Good Lord man. I'm just finally feeling better, it's taken YEARS to get rid of that nonsense.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
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A friend of mine has fiddle camp tapes of Eileen playing solo, and some with Mick Moloney. Blindingly good pure drop. Her 1993 cd, Traditional Irish Music: Eileen Ivers, isn't all straight trad, and you purists will have to ignore some (or all) of the backing, but it gives a good taste of Eileen's more trad side. I particularly like her basic version of Humours of Ballyloughlin, the reels on track 7 (especially Kerryman's Daughter), and the final track on the album. Again, listen to the fiddle and tune out the backing if that's not your cuppa tea.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by Will CPT
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It's not because I'm a purist. I don't think I am, in fact. I just don't like anything of hers I've heard yet. Anyway, if someone has it to listen to, I'll give it a go ...
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by benhall.1
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Sorry, wasn't aiming that label at you, Ben. But some of the backing on her albums goes a tich overboard, to my ears, even when her fiddling doesn't.
Here she is back in the day, sounding very pure drop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw794E40NAk
And here's a more recent clip of her and Jerry O'Sullivan playing one of their standards, Maid At the Spinning Wheel (granted, it's a little hard to hear her over the pipes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TRJQtf_x44
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by Will CPT
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No worries. Right then, I'm going to listen to those clips now ...
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by benhall.1
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I'm sorry. I'm a lost cause, I know. I've heard that first one before, and I'm afraid it leaves me cold. And the other one I had to turn off when Ms Ivers started.
Thanks for trying, Will. I don't know what it is, I just don't like it.
Ho hum. Anyone know of any good hair shirt shops?
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by benhall.1
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Her style has certainly changed---even in the second clip you can hear the more upbeat rhythm she prefers now. I don't think I'm a purist either (although maybe I am, who knows), but I do like her older style better. Thanks for posting those links.
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by kennedy
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I've always enjoyed Liz's playing, but I've never been a fan of Iver's direction. Athena I've known since she was a child prodigy and she's a friend of mine now. I've always enjoyed her playing, and playing along with her as well. It's funny how my impression is overwhelmed by my relationship with her; when she's playing I see and hear a friend and even if I had any reason to, I don't have any impulse to criticize her. But as I said, I've always enjoyed her playing and I always doubly enjoy seeing her pop up in places like this. One time she popped up on our TV playing with Sharron Shannon in Dublin on Irish TV at some huge venue there. All I could think was, "GO ATHENA!!!"
# Posted on March 11th 2008 by Phantom Button
Paddy Fahey would hate it too!
I feel I have to defend my comments about Eileen Ivers and
Athena Thergis. The main reason I hated their playing on this clip so much is because I'm a huge fan of Paddy Fahey's tunes and his playing style.
Since they both played Fahey tunes I found their interpretations to be so far removed from what Fahey does himself that I was just annoyed. I know trad is all about individual expression but sometimes individuals just don't get what a tune is all about. Those Fahey tunes have lots of notes in them so the more showy fiddle players like these might like to use them to show off their abilities, whereas in reality these tunes are much much better played slowly so the beauty of the melodies come shining through. Fahey considers his music listening music rather than dancing music so he doesn't like them played too fast.
I don't know much about Athena Thergis other than that she's getting a lot of praise in the US, she's not very well known over here though. I just wasn't impressed by her playing of that Paddy Fahey tune, I'm open to the fact that she may be better than that.
I've watched this clip a few times and what Eileen Ivers does in this clip does nearly make me puke every time I see it, those variations she throws in are just awful!
I've heard her playing some solo stuff with John Doyle before I thought it was pretty good. There's no doubting she's a talented virtuoso player, I just think she has absolutely no sense of musical taste these days, I mean has anyone seen this?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSIraCOtmnE
Overall though Liz Carroll and John Doyle are way ahead of the other two in terms of musicality.
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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Frisbee, I think what you're up against here is that you're criticising a specific person, and not just a particular playing style---with this being a public forum, people are reluctant to say negative things about someone who, for all we know, could be reading the comments herself---I doubt you would say those things directly to Ivers.
I think if your criticisms weren't focused on one particular person you would find a lot more agreement. It's kind of a shame because that kind of argument prevents you from giving specific examples, like "I can't stand vibrato in jigs, look at this YouTube clip of Charlie O'Hara and see what I mean".
Anyway, that's my take on all this...
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by kennedy
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Kennedy, what you're basically saying here is that it's better to talk behind someone's back than to say it out in the open. Now there is a small chance Eileen Ivers reads this and if she does I really don't care. If I ever met her and she asked me what I thought of her playing I'd be honest with her, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't give a rats ass what I think of her playing!
I'm sure she's a nice woman and my comments are not about her as a person, it's about her approach to Irish music which I've little time for. As I've said I know she is a very talented musician and good luck to her.
I've no problem being outspoken about things, anyone who knows me will tell you that. If you don't have the guts to stand up and say, I think this is great/awful/ordinary then what's the point in making any comments?
If everyone just commented 'yes I agree this is wonderful' then either (a) it truly was wonderful without any doubt or (b) people are just too bland to say what they really feel.
There is a sad tendency in the trad scene to just say everything is great and 'aren't we brilliant'. Sometimes though it's better to take a critical look at things, to really question whether something which is hyped up deserves the hype.
gw posted this because he thinks it's great, I looked at it to see why and found I disagreed and so I explained this in very direct terms which I guess some people can't handle.
Sometimes I feel like Jack Nicholson
'You wanna know the truth.....You can't handle the truth!!!!'
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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More to the point, frisbee--if you're the sort of person who'd tell a musician to his or her face that their playing makes you "want to puke," instead of offering a lucid, reasoned critique, then your opinion will carry little to no weight with anyone who matters.
There's a difference between being critical and just being juvenile about it.
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by Will CPT
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Will, if you think my natural honest reaction to hearing it is juvenile then I'm happy for you to call me juvenile.
Funny I once spoke to a very well known musician about a very well known band and he told me that after a performance of theirs he was asked by some people very publicly what he thought and being the direct honest person he is he couldn't help but say 'it made me physically sick!'.
Sometimes people see things they don't like and their natural reaction is to be brutally honest, that's just what I did. I wasn't just joking, when I watched that clip it honestly nearly made me puke once Ms Ivers got into her variations!
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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Another thing Will, at least I'm happy to say exactly what my name is and what I play and do. On the other hand some people make strong or bland comments on this site and hide who they really are by saying things like
"this is just a screen persona, sound and flurry, a blip in cipherspace"
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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LOL, so it's that easy to get under your skin, is it?
Thank goodness Ms. Ivers isn't as touchy as you are.
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by Will CPT
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Ha Ha! You didn't get under my skin in the slightest, there's nothing touchy about my response. There's a difference between brutal honesty and touchiness you know.
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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tsk, tsk, someone appears to have their knickers in a brutal knot....
# Posted on March 12th 2008 by Will CPT
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I think you'll find my knickers are on the outside of my trousers like any decent super-hero
# Posted on March 13th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
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... or John Major ...
# Posted on March 13th 2008 by benhall.1
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Ah, good. We're in the same cartoon, then. I'm the scrawny fellow in the lime green tights and purple cape.
# Posted on March 13th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Name these tunes...
this cartoon ain't big enough for the both of us
# Posted on March 13th 2008 by Bored with thesession.org
Re: Name these tunes...
And one of us has puke on their shoes....
# Posted on March 13th 2008 by Will CPT