When i began learning the fiddle, my teacher used to play this tune A LOT and now its always going around my head Does anyone know a name for it or where it came from? Is it in the tune section here?
The first half goes like this:
DEF/GEDC BDGA /BGDB A CA /BGED CEAG /F DE DCBC /DEDC BDGA /BGDB A CA /BGFE DECA /B GF G
woD is a being a bit harsh here but the "abc" doesn't look quite right. Some bars seem to have more notes than others. It looks like a reel but hard to say.
Also, I don't know if you are aware but there's a search facility for fragments of tunes in the Tune section here.
There's no trace for this one though. At least, not as you've written it.
There is a form of abc that looks like that above used a lot here in Clare based on the key of G not C. That single A note in bar 2 (not counting theanacrusis as a bar) is meant to be 2 beats long ( in the standard form it would be A2) so don't be so harsh and jumping to conclusions about correctness. Yes Will CPT you got it there. However I can't help with the tune I'm afraid sorry about that.
'offending posts'? What did I miss? Probably just as well. This is oddly familiar this melody, as if that meant anything really. Unfortunately I'm stuck with another task now, music related, and can't spend much time here, but now the thing is clunking around in my head it might 'cough' up something...
My Swarzenegger imitation, with the horse voice in a whisper between coughs ~ "I'll be back!"
I know what you mean ceolachan.
I am hearing this hornpipe in my head as if I know it.
Certainly cannot place a name with it.
How about 'dfiddle fancy'?
I once learned a hornpipe with a very similar motif, and we always called it the "Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory" hornpipe, because it reminded us of that song.
And if a remeber right, there was a discussion about that, years ago, here.
ceolachan- You have got me at it now , if you rearange just a
couple of notes of your _a hornpipe starts to appear..But
K:G
DEF |\
GEDC BDGA | BGDB A2 CA | BGED CEAG | F2 D3B,C^C|
GEDC BDGA | BGDB A2 CA | BGFE DECA | B2 GF G2 :|
jim,,
Sorry do dissapoint you nicholas but it's the other way around. The Clare system of abc was around long before Chris Walshore made the standard version. I think it was Frank Custy who started using it many long moons ago to teach his young school pupils, as they could pick it up easier than the dots.
I remember when I started ITM-31 yrs ago a concertina player writeing The abc so to speak below the dots -Do you think thats how this abc notation, sparked off in the first place ??
jim,,,
Bernie is right nicholas. There have been several systems that predate the Internet. I even have some old examples, which includes my own... One system was also based on the D scale, and this is what happened with it, adjusted for comparison with the current 'standard' ~ fiddle G upwards ~
G, - A, - B, - C, - D - E - F - G - A - B - C - d - e - f - g ~ etc...
Triplets were shown as similar to sheet music, an arch over the top of the 3 notes with the 3 between, but a lot of similarity with what became the current standard for it with software, and here...
Now I have to wash the dishes... ~ all the duck soup is gone. I've written dfiddle and hopefully we'll have more soon...
Hisperica Famina Redux! = The Irish Speech has come back!
- This was apparently a very idiosyncratic form of Latin that
developed in Ireland in the Middle Ages. I'd assumed above that County Clare had speedily developed, likewise, its own idiosyncratic form of standard abc, but gather this isn't so, the abc in question being one of various kinds in use before standardisation.
I had a good look at lesession.co.uk! This is the way i'd have the first half in abc!
DEF|:GEDC B,DGA|BGdB A2 cA|BGED CEAG| F2 DE DCBC|
DEDC BDGA|BGdB A2 cA|Bgfe decA|B2 GF GD EF:||
It must be a hornpipe, or at least that is how I've been hearing it, in agreement with Will ~ but the 2nd part doesn't seem to hold together for me, not as you've given it ~
The chances, are, rather than continuing going around in circles on this one, as someone else mentioned, Aiki ~ your source, your teacher?! If you have lost touch with them, the chances are that if they teach or play in a session or have recorded ~ with all the folks on this site someone might actually know them and could ask. While it rings bells, several, that's the problem, it rings several bells. So, maybe we could pursue it that way. Who is your teacher, what instrument. And, is it really that low, or is it in several cases actually an octave higher? ~ as has been suggested by Will and others...
Not sure but I suspect it could be a recent composition written in a traditional style. Could be anyone's really, but it's a nice balanced tune... It might be one of Paddy O'Brien's or Ed Reavy's, or maybe someone like John Brady. You could check in their publications as a last resort I suppose. The reason I say this is that there are some phrases recognisable from already existing hornpipes, like |gfdB cedc|BdBG... as though someone's had several tunes going through their head and a new composition has come out of all the different phrases.
gfdB cedc... being of course from the Cuckoo's Nest.
Sean Ryan also springs to mind as a possibility. I've had this before where I've come across a nice tune and nobody else has known what it was. Then I've checked PO'B's book or Ed Reavy's and found it to be one of their more obscure tunes that hasn't yet been recorded.
Please help me with this tune!
Please help me with this tune!
When i began learning the fiddle, my teacher used to play this tune A LOT and now its always going around my head Does anyone know a name for it or where it came from? Is it in the tune section here?
The first half goes like this:
DEF/GEDC BDGA /BGDB A CA /BGED CEAG /F DE DCBC /DEDC BDGA /BGDB A CA /BGFE DECA /B GF G
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by dfiddle
Re: Please help me with this tune!
Try using the Musipedia website - http://musipedia.org/
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Mike C
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dfiddle,
woD is a being a bit harsh here but the "abc" doesn't look quite right. Some bars seem to have more notes than others. It looks like a reel but hard to say.
Anyway, this is a good site for learning "ABC" if you aren't sure...
http://www.lesession.co.uk/abc/abc_notation.htm
Also, I don't know if you are aware but there's a search facility for fragments of tunes in the Tune section here.
There's no trace for this one though. At least, not as you've written it.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Johannes J
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I've never managed to fish up anything from the search engine here, and at least some of my attempts must have been kosher.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by nicholas
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From the ending, ot's a hornpipe. Of the many ways the abc could be interpreted, I like:
d/e/f|:gedc BdGA|BGdB A2 cA|BGed ceag|f2 de dcBc|
dedc BdGA|BGdB A2 cA|Bgfe decA|B2 GF G2 d/e/f:|
But that could be completely "wrong" and it doesn't match anything in the tune archive here.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Please help me with this tune!
Here you go gang, and as I'm in the middle of something this is as much as I'm going to help, for the moment, see what you can make of it ~
DEF |\
GEDC BDGA | BGDB A2 CA | BGED CEAG | F2 DE DCBC |
DEDC BDGA | BGDB A2 CA | BGFE DECA | B2 GF G2 :|
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Will has the gist of that already...
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Please help me with this tune!
There is a form of abc that looks like that above used a lot here in Clare based on the key of G not C. That single A note in bar 2 (not counting theanacrusis as a bar) is meant to be 2 beats long ( in the standard form it would be A2) so don't be so harsh and jumping to conclusions about correctness. Yes Will CPT you got it there. However I can't help with the tune I'm afraid sorry about that.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Bernie
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Sorry ceolachan cross posted
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Bernie
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Yes, I'm pretty sure the single notes must have a value of two beats.
We have to assume that all the notes are in the same octave though otherwise there are different possibilities.
I note that the offending posts have been removed. Hope my initial comments still make sense to you.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Johannes J
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'offending posts'?
What did I miss? Probably just as well. This is oddly familiar this melody, as if that meant anything really. Unfortunately I'm stuck with another task now, music related, and can't spend much time here, but now the thing is clunking around in my head it might 'cough' up something... 
My Swarzenegger imitation, with the horse voice in a whisper between coughs ~ "I'll be back!"
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
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in a march type rhythm it could almost be one of Brian O'Kanes in a different key
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Bren
Re: Please help me with this tune!
I know what you mean ceolachan.
I am hearing this hornpipe in my head as if I know it.
Certainly cannot place a name with it.
How about 'dfiddle fancy'?
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Random_notes
Re: Please help me with this tune!
I once learned a hornpipe with a very similar motif, and we always called it the "Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory" hornpipe, because it reminded us of that song.
And if a remeber right, there was a discussion about that, years ago, here.
[shuffles off to go spelunking in the archives]
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Please help me with this tune!
ceolachan
hornpipe is right...
jim,,
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by FIDDLE4
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So Clare's run away with abc and made a new tradition in it!
Hisperica Famina Redux!
Sort that one, ceolachan...
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by nicholas
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I hope we can get dfiddle to post the 2nd half. I've tweaked it again, and am starting to really like this little tune:
d/e/f|:gedc BDGA|BGdB A2 cA|BGed ceag|(3fgf (3efe dcBc|
dedc BDGA|BGdB A2 cA|Bgfe decA|BGGF G2 d/e/f:||
If it stays a lonely orphan, I'll be forced to make up my own second part.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Will CPT
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ceolachan- You have got me at it now , if you rearange just a
couple of notes of your _a hornpipe starts to appear..But
K:G
DEF |\
GEDC BDGA | BGDB A2 CA | BGED CEAG | F2 D3B,C^C|
GEDC BDGA | BGDB A2 CA | BGFE DECA | B2 GF G2 :|
jim,,
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by FIDDLE4
Re: Please help me with this tune!
Sorry do dissapoint you nicholas but it's the other way around. The Clare system of abc was around long before Chris Walshore made the standard version. I think it was Frank Custy who started using it many long moons ago to teach his young school pupils, as they could pick it up easier than the dots.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Bernie
Re: Please help me with this tune!
I remember when I started ITM-31 yrs ago a concertina player writeing The abc so to speak below the dots -Do you think thats how this abc notation, sparked off in the first place ??
jim,,,
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by FIDDLE4
Re: Please help me with this tune!
Bernie is right nicholas. There have been several systems that predate the Internet. I even have some old examples, which includes my own...
One system was also based on the D scale, and this is what happened with it, adjusted for comparison with the current 'standard' ~ fiddle G upwards ~
G, - A, - B, - C, - D - E - F - G - A - B - C - d - e - f - g ~ etc...
Triplets were shown as similar to sheet music, an arch over the top of the 3 notes with the 3 between, but a lot of similarity with what became the current standard for it with software, and here...
Now I have to wash the dishes...
~ all the duck soup is gone. I've written dfiddle and hopefully we'll have more soon...
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Kerry had it too, a famous early use ~ the fiddler Tom Billy Murphy...
A similar notation, using letters, was based on Solfeggio...
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
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I can rember an old Orange Band in our town used a
number system for their fifes -Bb Flutes,,
^ above a phrase or note ment up an Octive etc,,
6^ | 01632123 = 1st Bar of the sash _ D whistle{same thing}
I dont mean to offend - Its just an Example-lol..
jim,,,,
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by FIDDLE4
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Call your teacher and ask him/her.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Aiki
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Hisperica Famina Redux! = The Irish Speech has come back!
- This was apparently a very idiosyncratic form of Latin that
developed in Ireland in the Middle Ages. I'd assumed above that County Clare had speedily developed, likewise, its own idiosyncratic form of standard abc, but gather this isn't so, the abc in question being one of various kinds in use before standardisation.
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by nicholas
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Comhra Donn might be the 'mine eyes have seen the glory' hornpipe?
# Posted on March 2nd 2008 by Fiddlebabe
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X:1
T:Last Attempt
M:4/4
R:Hornpipe
K:G
DEF |:
GEDC BDGA | BGDB A2 CA | BGED CEAG |~F2D2 D2B,C|
GEDC BDGA | BGDB A2 CA | BGFE DECA | B2GF G3z :||
''Sorry'' this is just me finnished with the ceolachan/mcauley
arrangement- jim,,,
# Posted on March 3rd 2008 by FIDDLE4
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Thanks for all the responses!
Im afraid I've no contact number for my teacher.
I did write it in the Clare style of ABC! I should have said too...its in Gmajor!
I've a second half altho i'm not sure how much of its original to the tune or how much i've filled in gaps!
bd /g2gf gedc /BGBd f2ga /gfdB cedc /BdBG A2dc / BAGF GB,DG / BdBG A2cA / Bgfe decA / B2 GF G2 /
I had a good look at lesession.co.uk! This is the way i'd have the first half in abc!
DEF|:GEDC B,DGA|BGdB A2 cA|BGED CEAG| F2 DE DCBC|
DEDC BDGA|BGdB A2 cA|Bgfe decA|B2 GF GD EF:||
# Posted on March 3rd 2008 by dfiddle
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It must be a hornpipe, or at least that is how I've been hearing it, in agreement with Will ~ but the 2nd part doesn't seem to hold together for me, not as you've given it ~
|: (3def |\
gedc BdGA | BGdB (3ABA cA | BGed ceag | fddc d2 (3dcB |
dedc (3Bcd GA | BGdB (3ABA cA | Bgfe (3ded (3cBA | B2 G2 G2 :|
|: (3Bcd |\
g2 gf gedc | BG (3Bcd ~
dedc (3Bcd GA | BGdB (3ABA cA | Bgfe (3ded (3cBA | B2 G2 G2 :|
# Posted on March 3rd 2008 by ceolachan
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The chances, are, rather than continuing going around in circles on this one, as someone else mentioned, Aiki ~ your source, your teacher?! If you have lost touch with them, the chances are that if they teach or play in a session or have recorded ~ with all the folks on this site someone might actually know them and could ask. While it rings bells, several, that's the problem, it rings several bells. So, maybe we could pursue it that way. Who is your teacher, what instrument. And, is it really that low, or is it in several cases actually an octave higher? ~ as has been suggested by Will and others...
# Posted on March 3rd 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Please help me with this tune!
Not sure but I suspect it could be a recent composition written in a traditional style. Could be anyone's really, but it's a nice balanced tune... It might be one of Paddy O'Brien's or Ed Reavy's, or maybe someone like John Brady. You could check in their publications as a last resort I suppose. The reason I say this is that there are some phrases recognisable from already existing hornpipes, like |gfdB cedc|BdBG... as though someone's had several tunes going through their head and a new composition has come out of all the different phrases.
# Posted on March 3rd 2008 by Dow
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gfdB cedc... being of course from the Cuckoo's Nest.
Sean Ryan also springs to mind as a possibility. I've had this before where I've come across a nice tune and nobody else has known what it was. Then I've checked PO'B's book or Ed Reavy's and found it to be one of their more obscure tunes that hasn't yet been recorded.
# Posted on March 3rd 2008 by Dow