I was strolling past Kelly's Irish Pub in Antwerp yesterday and I was amused to see a sign outside saying "Breakfast served 11.00 am to 15.00 pm." Are they really such late risers in the Emerald Isle?
When I stayed with my pal in Ireland recently he had breakfast around 4 in the afternoon, having got up not long before. Yes, you! you know who I'm talking to!
Ahem ... Me, here in sunny Ross-on-Wye, I have my breakfast at 6:30 weekdays and between 8:00 and 8:30 on weekends and holidays (unless I'm working on a Saturday, when it might be earlier).
That's the Irish for you laid back. Don't forget they were probably playing a session in to the wee small hours so brekkie' at 4 is acceptable. Have you noticed that in Ireland they don't go out to the pub until about 10.pm anyway.
John, I stayed at one in a nameless Highland village on the *braes* of *mar* which served breakfast between "7.45 and 8.30"
We decided to sleep in and miss it but were woken at 9 by the cleaners who had between 8.30 and 9.30 to do everything, such was the labour shortage that one crew had to go from place to place. When we checked out at 9.30, tried and hungover from the late night's revelries, the owner said severely "You've missed your breakfast!"
otherwise, I'm travelling in Australia right now and it's common to see places catering to UK & Ireland backpackers serving "all day breakfast"
I normally get up around 8am but I have my breakfast between 12.00noon and 1pm. Can't face food before then. It's always been like that for me ever since I was a small child. I always have a supper though around 11pm except on session nights when I have supper just before I go out around 10pm and a biscuit or two when I get back.
When I got married the second time we honeymooned in Scotland, the Hotel staff told us breakfast will be served between 2.30pm and 4pm. Very understanding of them I thought.
A friend bought a house in Ireland and went around the area visiting the neighbouring farms. Everyone had potatos for breakfast.
So if you miss breakfast, you've had your chips.
It's 7am right now. I just finished my breakfast and I've got a few minutes to practice my flute before I'm off to my hateful pressure cooker life in the States. I don't envy your 4pm breakfasts, but I do envy your laid back life.
Twould take a bit of getting used to sb...don't underestimate the adjustments you would have to make to get used to it.
I have always noticed how the best Irish breakfasts I've ever had are in (still today even) in country pubs in Australia. Irish breakfasts in Ireland must have shrunk over the last century or so!
In pubs like this actually, in western NSW, Oz...built in the days when there were actually a lot of people out there. Nowadays - well just look at rush hour Monday morning! Great Irish breakfasts in places like these, and great for a sesh as well - but maybe you'd be the only player for 400 kilometres. It's ok though - breakfast is great. Then you'd have the rest of the day and the pub to yourself to practice! (And it don't rain there!) http://www.gdaypubs.com.au/NSW/culcairn.html
If it's alcohol you refer to, just remember that mechanisms mediating acute positively reinforcing ("rewarding") properties of alcohol have long been center-stage in alcohol research aimed at developing new treatments. However, the effects of alcohol on classical dopaminergic brain reward systems are only indirect, and involve an opioid link. Recent work in humans and non-human primates indicates variation in the sensitivity of that this opioid link related to genetic variation at the mu-opioid receptor gene locus. In most cases, classical rewarding effects of alcohol may play a negligable role in the development and maintenance of alcohol dependence. Instead, over time, a pathological activity is recruited in brain systems that mediate stress and negative affective states, creating an incentive for consumption of alcohol for relief of these aversive states, a classical case of negative reinforcement. Long-term neurodaptations within extrahypothalamic corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) signalling plays a key role in this process, and offers attractive novel treatment targets. In addition, several other stress-related neuropeptides (neuropeptide Y, nociceptin, substance P) may offer additional treatment targets on the dark side.
Of couse some of us have done the 50 years in the pressure cooker and are living on our pensions, for which we subscribed 6% of our salary and is now depreciating due to inflation. I guess we're entitled to a few late nights and a lie in the next day. Although I think some in government would prefer us to work util we drop so they can squander the money from our pension funds.
Well, Bernie, it sounds to me like you should be livin in that pub where's that link above.
Where you live now, of course, a lot of the Australians came from a long time ago, as you know, no doubt. They brought the Irish breakfasts with them...and they're still here!
When I was young we use to wake up to an Ulster Fry..
about 7-8 am ,, But the Irish have caught themselves on a bit
now,And its- All Bran or Toast,, For me me about 10-11 am is
just fine,lol..
jim,,
"Who is exactly making this Celtic Tiger roar indeed?"
I thought it had stopped roaring? It came in for breakfast on European subsidies, hung around for a light industrial lunch and has now gone for a kip.
Or what?
Bren's story above makes me think of a story from (I think) a Bruce Chatwin book. He was staying at a small hotel in Africa, and he asked the downstairs manager what time dinner was.
The manager replied, "7:30 to 8:30, but you should come down at 6:30 or 7." When he asked why he should be so early, the man said, "Because the staff eat at 7 - and they eat all the food."
I still think Guinness is an important part of a healthy breakfast.
I know pubs can't open here until eleven so Kelly's in Antwerp either has the same liscencing laws or are nostalgically adopting Irish laws for that extra lie-in. Good move. Ciaron Carson's great trad music themed book 'Last Night's Fun' has a whole chapter dedicated to the etiquette of cooking, eating and enjoying the fine Ulster fry.
That nearly creates civil war in Australia with residents taking pubs to court for noise and drunken behaviour on the streets.
Hopefully its different in Belgium.
There was one recent occasion in Sydney Australia where there is a kebab shop next to a pub that closes at 2am. All the drunks then spill out onto the street, and a lot go to the kebab shop to eat, then many start fighting. Guess who the authorities close down - yep, the kebab shop.
Advance Australia Fair?
It is different in Belgium.No closing time,no binge drinking,no large groups of people falling out of clubs in the same state of drunkeness,and no feral children drinking on the streets.I've lived here for thirty years now and I"ve never seen a fight in a bar.
Those aussies are kind of notorious for heavy-duty partying/drunken behavior.
I could get used to a laid back life very easily. I don't fit at all with this pressure cooker bit at all. I'm ready to crack. If only I was a better musician...
I've noticed travelling overseas that when people go for a beer or drink, they tend to have much less than Australians. One or two or three maybe, whereas particularly young Australian guys - and girls - drink until they drop. It's a 'cultural' difference should we say...the real problem is that there is not a culture in pub-land, of balancing food with alcohol. It's more like young guys drinking themselves into oblivion, no food, not getting the girl, then settling for a kebab at 2am and end up fighting with other young guys who are drunk and didn't get the girl. And all that after listening to blaring, amped heavy metal music in the pub for about 7 hours. Real head-banging stuff.
(It's improved over the years, I hasten to add, there is also an excellent international restaurant culture in Australia now in the major cities, the drunks don't go there, they're into belting into each other on the street outside the pubs at 3am.)
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I was strolling past Kelly's Irish Pub in Antwerp yesterday and I was amused to see a sign outside saying "Breakfast served 11.00 am to 15.00 pm." Are they really such late risers in the Emerald Isle?
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by dafydd
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That's 11 am to 3 pm. I don't know about the Emerald Isles, but on weekends I usually have breakie somewhere around then.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Phantom Button
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When I stayed with my pal in Ireland recently he had breakfast around 4 in the afternoon, having got up not long before. Yes, you! you know who I'm talking to!
Ahem ... Me, here in sunny Ross-on-Wye, I have my breakfast at 6:30 weekdays and between 8:00 and 8:30 on weekends and holidays (unless I'm working on a Saturday, when it might be earlier).
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by benhall.1
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That's the Irish for you laid back. Don't forget they were probably playing a session in to the wee small hours so brekkie' at 4 is acceptable. Have you noticed that in Ireland they don't go out to the pub until about 10.pm anyway.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by upmine3
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I was in the same session. And your point is?
And where's all these 'Celtic Tiger' people anyway?
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by benhall.1
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Strange that nobody has named a tune "The Celtic Tiger". There's nothing on this site
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by deeor
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Well, the starting time is quite late but finishing at 3pm is sound.
Nothing worse than going to B & B's or small hotels and finding out that breakfast is between 7am and 9am (Sometimes 8am)
If you make comment, they'll offer to let you "Have it earlier if you wish".
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Johannes J
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On Saturdays I have my breakfast in liquid form the night before.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Steve Shaw
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Belgium's time zone is an hour behind Ireland's. Do you think that's why?
Also tigers are known to sleep for extended periods at a time.
So there ye go. Sorted.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Key Maniac Lad
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John, I stayed at one in a nameless Highland village on the *braes* of *mar* which served breakfast between "7.45 and 8.30"
We decided to sleep in and miss it but were woken at 9 by the cleaners who had between 8.30 and 9.30 to do everything, such was the labour shortage that one crew had to go from place to place. When we checked out at 9.30, tried and hungover from the late night's revelries, the owner said severely "You've missed your breakfast!"
otherwise, I'm travelling in Australia right now and it's common to see places catering to UK & Ireland backpackers serving "all day breakfast"
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Bren
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I normally get up around 8am but I have my breakfast between 12.00noon and 1pm. Can't face food before then. It's always been like that for me ever since I was a small child. I always have a supper though around 11pm except on session nights when I have supper just before I go out around 10pm and a biscuit or two when I get back.
When I got married the second time we honeymooned in Scotland, the Hotel staff told us breakfast will be served between 2.30pm and 4pm. Very understanding of them I thought.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Bernie
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A friend bought a house in Ireland and went around the area visiting the neighbouring farms. Everyone had potatos for breakfast.
So if you miss breakfast, you've had your chips.
Irish mixed grill - boiled potato, mashed potato, fried potato, and chips.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by geoffwright
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So nobody has jobs, eh? Go to the pub at 10, eat breakfast at 4 in the afternoon. Who is exactly making this Celtic Tiger roar indeed?
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
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not musicians ...
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Bren
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Computer software types and construction folks.
After 35 years of that pressure cooker life in the States, I'll take a dose of the Irish approach.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by zippydw
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It's 7am right now. I just finished my breakfast and I've got a few minutes to practice my flute before I'm off to my hateful pressure cooker life in the States. I don't envy your 4pm breakfasts, but I do envy your laid back life.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by sbhikes
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Twould take a bit of getting used to sb...don't underestimate the adjustments you would have to make to get used to it.
I have always noticed how the best Irish breakfasts I've ever had are in (still today even) in country pubs in Australia. Irish breakfasts in Ireland must have shrunk over the last century or so!
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Duijera Dubh
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In pubs like this actually, in western NSW, Oz...built in the days when there were actually a lot of people out there. Nowadays - well just look at rush hour Monday morning! Great Irish breakfasts in places like these, and great for a sesh as well - but maybe you'd be the only player for 400 kilometres. It's ok though - breakfast is great. Then you'd have the rest of the day and the pub to yourself to practice! (And it don't rain there!)
http://www.gdaypubs.com.au/NSW/culcairn.html
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Duijera Dubh
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Oh, OK, I understand now. We have these people in the US too, no money, no jobs, can sleep all day and play music all night with no responsibilities.
They're called "professional musicians".
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
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...as just as soon as my sons go off to college I'll be right there with ya, just where I left off in my early twenties! HA!
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
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If it's alcohol you refer to, just remember that mechanisms mediating acute positively reinforcing ("rewarding") properties of alcohol have long been center-stage in alcohol research aimed at developing new treatments. However, the effects of alcohol on classical dopaminergic brain reward systems are only indirect, and involve an opioid link. Recent work in humans and non-human primates indicates variation in the sensitivity of that this opioid link related to genetic variation at the mu-opioid receptor gene locus. In most cases, classical rewarding effects of alcohol may play a negligable role in the development and maintenance of alcohol dependence. Instead, over time, a pathological activity is recruited in brain systems that mediate stress and negative affective states, creating an incentive for consumption of alcohol for relief of these aversive states, a classical case of negative reinforcement. Long-term neurodaptations within extrahypothalamic corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) signalling plays a key role in this process, and offers attractive novel treatment targets. In addition, several other stress-related neuropeptides (neuropeptide Y, nociceptin, substance P) may offer additional treatment targets on the dark side.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Key Maniac Lad
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Of couse some of us have done the 50 years in the pressure cooker and are living on our pensions, for which we subscribed 6% of our salary and is now depreciating due to inflation. I guess we're entitled to a few late nights and a lie in the next day. Although I think some in government would prefer us to work util we drop so they can squander the money from our pension funds.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Bernie
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Well, Bernie, it sounds to me like you should be livin in that pub where's that link above.
Where you live now, of course, a lot of the Australians came from a long time ago, as you know, no doubt. They brought the Irish breakfasts with them...and they're still here!
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Duijera Dubh
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The breakfasts that is...
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Duijera Dubh
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When I was young we use to wake up to an Ulster Fry..
about 7-8 am ,, But the Irish have caught themselves on a bit
now,And its- All Bran or Toast,, For me me about 10-11 am is
just fine,lol..
jim,,
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by FIDDLE4
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"Who is exactly making this Celtic Tiger roar indeed?"
I thought it had stopped roaring? It came in for breakfast on European subsidies, hung around for a light industrial lunch and has now gone for a kip.
Or what?
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Lingpupa
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Bren's story above makes me think of a story from (I think) a Bruce Chatwin book. He was staying at a small hotel in Africa, and he asked the downstairs manager what time dinner was.
The manager replied, "7:30 to 8:30, but you should come down at 6:30 or 7." When he asked why he should be so early, the man said, "Because the staff eat at 7 - and they eat all the food."
I still think Guinness is an important part of a healthy breakfast.
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by Gzeg
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So has the Celtic Tiger become Drowsy Moggie?
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by nicholas
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I know pubs can't open here until eleven so Kelly's in Antwerp either has the same liscencing laws or are nostalgically adopting Irish laws for that extra lie-in. Good move. Ciaron Carson's great trad music themed book 'Last Night's Fun' has a whole chapter dedicated to the etiquette of cooking, eating and enjoying the fine Ulster fry.
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by iwerzon
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The liscensing laws in Belgium are almost non-existent.You can open 24 hours a day if you have the staff and the customers.
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by dafydd
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That nearly creates civil war in Australia with residents taking pubs to court for noise and drunken behaviour on the streets.
Hopefully its different in Belgium.
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by Duijera Dubh
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There was one recent occasion in Sydney Australia where there is a kebab shop next to a pub that closes at 2am. All the drunks then spill out onto the street, and a lot go to the kebab shop to eat, then many start fighting. Guess who the authorities close down - yep, the kebab shop.
Advance Australia Fair?
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by Duijera Dubh
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It is different in Belgium.No closing time,no binge drinking,no large groups of people falling out of clubs in the same state of drunkeness,and no feral children drinking on the streets.I've lived here for thirty years now and I"ve never seen a fight in a bar.
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by dafydd
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Those aussies are kind of notorious for heavy-duty partying/drunken behavior.
I could get used to a laid back life very easily. I don't fit at all with this pressure cooker bit at all. I'm ready to crack. If only I was a better musician...
# Posted on February 23rd 2008 by sbhikes
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I've noticed travelling overseas that when people go for a beer or drink, they tend to have much less than Australians. One or two or three maybe, whereas particularly young Australian guys - and girls - drink until they drop. It's a 'cultural' difference should we say...the real problem is that there is not a culture in pub-land, of balancing food with alcohol. It's more like young guys drinking themselves into oblivion, no food, not getting the girl, then settling for a kebab at 2am and end up fighting with other young guys who are drunk and didn't get the girl. And all that after listening to blaring, amped heavy metal music in the pub for about 7 hours. Real head-banging stuff.
(It's improved over the years, I hasten to add, there is also an excellent international restaurant culture in Australia now in the major cities, the drunks don't go there, they're into belting into each other on the street outside the pubs at 3am.)
# Posted on February 23rd 2008 by Duijera Dubh
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Sb, isn't it hard to make that break from the treadmill...we're all taught that you have to stay on it. But - you only live once, and life is short.
# Posted on February 23rd 2008 by Duijera Dubh