Just two questions concerning the local etiquette.
First. When I have a tune that I have transcribed from some CD or MP3 track, and have no idea what is it's name - what should I do? Should I submit it as a Gan Ainm (so local public will either get a new tune, or tell me the name of it), or I should not post it, to avoid littering with duplicates of tunes?
Second. Transcribing tunes by ear is hard, very hard work (for me). In some cases it is too hard, and I have to ask for help of my friends, classically trained musicians. That is not the thing that can be done too often. But I can post the track here, hoping that someone will recognize these tunes, and give me the name, so that I will be able to find it here or via AbcFinder. But that's also asking for other people's time and littering at the discussion board. So - is it OK to do that, or I'd better not?
It's not my site, so Jeremy would have his own view. But, for my money, I think it's OK to post, every now and then, a tune query here in the Discussions. But for goodness' sake don't go littering up the tunes section. It's full of enough rubbish/duplications already.
The advantage of posting an occasional query here in the Discussions is that someone may volunteer to help ... you never know ...
I think a bit more info in the thread title is good, considering the proliferation of threads. I just haven't got time to play solve-the-mystery with titles such as "Tune help please!" "Play the music" or "Newbie question." I'm far too busy looking for trouble.
I quite like it when someone posts 'what's this tune' threads. I've discovered a few good tunes on youtube etc from people asking for titles.
But I really don't like folk posting tunes they half know or posting someone else's arrangement when the original isn't here, or as in the case recently of "Sound of Sleat", when it is here already. Versions should go in the comments section.
Yes, trad and variations go hand in hand but making hundreds or poor man's versions public is detrimental. Mistakes happen but a little bit of research is common decency.
Variation is something I have dealt with it since I seriously (as opposed to playing while enjoying a bit too much Guiness) started playing ITM.
My really intense freinds say that you must learn and play the tune exactly as it is handed down (even though you never hear something played the same on professional recordings).
My teacher believes the same thing. Play it as true to the tune as possible.
But then in the middle of playing, they all improvise!
"But I can post the track here, hoping that someone will recognize these tunes, and give me the name, so that I will be able to find it here or via AbcFinder. But that's also asking for other people's time and littering at the discussion board. So - is it OK to do that, or I'd better not?" Breqwas
You have, and I can't imagine it being an imposition. Jeremy isn't shy in being up front with somebody if there's a problem. As I've noticed it, once the question is answered, with regards to the fragment of a tune seeking a name, if it didn't 'develop' into something more involving, besides just an answer, it gets cleaned up later... Don't worry. For those who may get irritated, hey, they can go to another thread and leave the question of a tune's name or provenance to others...
A wiser man than myself once said;
There
are
no
rules
I would only add . . .
on TheSession.org
Post any question. The answers will surprise you. That is why everyone comes here.
Jeremy does prefer tune info to be posted in the 'Tunes' section. But the real question is what works. Use all the site's resources. . . email, HomePage search engine, "Tunes" Comments, Lurking, Submit a ... Experiment.
If you like a tune let everyone know!
I can vouch for ceolachan's helping hand.
Above all do not be too shy.
Civil, but never shy!
;)
zippy, yes, you must learn and play the tune exactly as it is handed down. (that doesn't mean play it all the time exactly as handed to you, but at least know it)
There are two very good reasons for this.
Firstly, it's straightforward respect.
Secondly, It's about training your ear. Getting a tune almost there is just not good enough. You should be aiming at getting it absolutely exactly. If you can't do this, then how are you going to really appreciate the subtleties of messing about with it?
Of course you should be aiming at getting it absolutely exactly. (that doesn't mean play it all the time exactly as handed to you, but at least know it and be completely comfortable with it like that).
The really important thing is to not be in a situation where you are playing tunes with the odd different note because you were either too lazy or just not good enough to get it right, and passing it off as "your version".
I personally feel that un-named tunes should definitely be posted in the discussion section. I think there is a much better chance of identification here. Not much point in clogging up the tune archive with all those gan ainms. If they are not ID'd straight away they are left floating in space.
Its probably not possible but to preserve linkage to track listings it would also be nice if Gan Ainm tunes could have an identifier to link them to the relevant track on a recording where the artist didn't have a name either.
Rant over.
Michael brings up a good point.
When you post a tune ~ is it the one you play or the one you would play if you were a better player?
However, on the other point, I see no problem in posting alternative versions.
The "Tune Comments" section is good for this.
I agree Donough. There are always too many tunes 'gan ainm' It is possible for the original poster though to edit the name of a tune.
To post or not to post?
To post or not to post?
Just two questions concerning the local etiquette.
First. When I have a tune that I have transcribed from some CD or MP3 track, and have no idea what is it's name - what should I do? Should I submit it as a Gan Ainm (so local public will either get a new tune, or tell me the name of it), or I should not post it, to avoid littering with duplicates of tunes?
Second. Transcribing tunes by ear is hard, very hard work (for me). In some cases it is too hard, and I have to ask for help of my friends, classically trained musicians. That is not the thing that can be done too often. But I can post the track here, hoping that someone will recognize these tunes, and give me the name, so that I will be able to find it here or via AbcFinder. But that's also asking for other people's time and littering at the discussion board. So - is it OK to do that, or I'd better not?
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by breqwas
Re: To post or not to post?
It's not my site, so Jeremy would have his own view. But, for my money, I think it's OK to post, every now and then, a tune query here in the Discussions. But for goodness' sake don't go littering up the tunes section. It's full of enough rubbish/duplications already.
The advantage of posting an occasional query here in the Discussions is that someone may volunteer to help ... you never know ...
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: To post or not to post?
I think a bit more info in the thread title is good, considering the proliferation of threads. I just haven't got time to play solve-the-mystery with titles such as "Tune help please!" "Play the music" or "Newbie question." I'm far too busy looking for trouble.
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by Steve Shaw
Re: To post or not to post?
I quite like it when someone posts 'what's this tune' threads. I've discovered a few good tunes on youtube etc from people asking for titles.
But I really don't like folk posting tunes they half know or posting someone else's arrangement when the original isn't here, or as in the case recently of "Sound of Sleat", when it is here already. Versions should go in the comments section.
Yes, trad and variations go hand in hand but making hundreds or poor man's versions public is detrimental. Mistakes happen but a little bit of research is common decency.
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by bogman
Re: To post or not to post?
Variation is something I have dealt with it since I seriously (as opposed to playing while enjoying a bit too much Guiness) started playing ITM.
My really intense freinds say that you must learn and play the tune exactly as it is handed down (even though you never hear something played the same on professional recordings).
My teacher believes the same thing. Play it as true to the tune as possible.
But then in the middle of playing, they all improvise!
Damned if I do and Damned if I don't!
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by zippydw
Re: To post or not to post?
"But I can post the track here, hoping that someone will recognize these tunes, and give me the name, so that I will be able to find it here or via AbcFinder. But that's also asking for other people's time and littering at the discussion board. So - is it OK to do that, or I'd better not?" Breqwas
You have, and I can't imagine it being an imposition. Jeremy isn't shy in being up front with somebody if there's a problem. As I've noticed it, once the question is answered, with regards to the fragment of a tune seeking a name, if it didn't 'develop' into something more involving, besides just an answer, it gets cleaned up later... Don't worry. For those who may get irritated, hey, they can go to another thread and leave the question of a tune's name or provenance to others...
In short ~ welcome!
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by ceolachan
To post!
A wiser man than myself once said;
There
are
no
rules
I would only add . . .
on TheSession.org
Post any question. The answers will surprise you. That is why everyone comes here.
Jeremy does prefer tune info to be posted in the 'Tunes' section. But the real question is what works. Use all the site's resources. . . email, HomePage search engine, "Tunes" Comments, Lurking, Submit a ... Experiment.
If you like a tune let everyone know!
I can vouch for ceolachan's helping hand.
Above all do not be too shy.
Civil, but never shy!
;)
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: To post or not to post?
zippy, yes, you must learn and play the tune exactly as it is handed down. (that doesn't mean play it all the time exactly as handed to you, but at least know it)
There are two very good reasons for this.
Firstly, it's straightforward respect.
Secondly, It's about training your ear. Getting a tune almost there is just not good enough. You should be aiming at getting it absolutely exactly. If you can't do this, then how are you going to really appreciate the subtleties of messing about with it?
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by ...
Post
Subtleties are good.
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by Ben Steen
?
"You should be aiming at getting it absolutely exactly."
Mr. Gill you are now preaching conformity. Please try to make up your mind.
# Posted on February 20th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: To post or not to post?
Civil? ~ we all have our off days... Some of us have them regularly...
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by ceolachan
Re: To post or not to post?
Of course you should be aiming at getting it absolutely exactly. (that doesn't mean play it all the time exactly as handed to you, but at least know it and be completely comfortable with it like that).
The really important thing is to not be in a situation where you are playing tunes with the odd different note because you were either too lazy or just not good enough to get it right, and passing it off as "your version".
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by ...
Re: To post or not to post?
I personally feel that un-named tunes should definitely be posted in the discussion section. I think there is a much better chance of identification here. Not much point in clogging up the tune archive with all those gan ainms. If they are not ID'd straight away they are left floating in space.
Its probably not possible but to preserve linkage to track listings it would also be nice if Gan Ainm tunes could have an identifier to link them to the relevant track on a recording where the artist didn't have a name either.
Rant over.
# Posted on February 21st 2008 by Donough
To post?
Michael brings up a good point.
When you post a tune ~ is it the one you play or the one you would play if you were a better player?
However, on the other point, I see no problem in posting alternative versions.
The "Tune Comments" section is good for this.
I agree Donough. There are always too many tunes 'gan ainm' It is possible for the original poster though to edit the name of a tune.
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by Ben Steen
Can you name these tunes?
97 Tunes with no name
Waifs & Strays?
2 Strathspeys (+ 1 named = Con McGinley's)
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=9&mode_id=
3 Barndances
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=8&mode_id=
3 Mazurkas (+ 1 w/name = Sailor's Wife)
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=11&mode_id=
3 Slip Jigs (+1 w/name = Wink And She'll Follow You)
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=3&mode_id=
4 Waltzes (+1 w/name = Arran Boat Song)
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=7&mode_id=
5 Slides
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=6&mode_id=
6 Hornpipes
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=4&mode_id=
11 Polkas
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=5&mode_id=
20 Jigs (+ 2 named = Siobhan O'Donnell's & Parnell's March)
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=1&mode_id=
40 Reels (+ 2 named = Danu's Gan Ainm & Johnny McIljohn's #2)
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index/search?name=gan+ainm&type_id=2&mode_id=
# Posted on February 22nd 2008 by Ben Steen