Willie Clancy's legacy to us is the music he loved and cherished during his life time. A thing of beauty in its own right, Having been refined and polished through the generations, Willies music links us to a part of Irelands past and makes us in turn, bearers of that tradition.
Pat mitchel
An Spideal'
Samhain, 1993.
"I'm going to teach you a tune I learned from Bobby Casey, who learned it from Junior Crehan, who learned it from Bobby's father, Scully. When you learn this tune, you become part of that circle of musicians, living and dead. And it's your responsibility to pass on the tune--and the spirit of generosity and sense of humour with which they passed it on--to the next person."
I came back to playing the fiddle about a month ago, after stumbling around "the case" for ages, being scared to open it (fear of lost intonation, not being able to remember how to hold the bow properly, etc., none of which turned out to be true).
So here I am avidly practicing, with great enjoyment, working on my bowing and ornaments when suddenly this question pops into my mind:
what fiddle player originated *the roll* -- or does anyone know in what region (or even country - Scotland, Ireland, or ____, it originated). I realize this is probably an unanswerable question - - but maybe there are some ideas about when "the roll" first started to be a noticeable component in Irtrad fiddle-tune playing. I'm very curious -- especially since it's a "lot of" what makes Irtrad fiddling sound the way it does.
That time, it was Rolling in the Barrel. Months later, when I heard it on Casey in the Cow House, the Casey influence was clear--Kevin taught me Casey's setting.
Fid42 ~ I agree who started what & when & where (?) is unanswerable.
As a wind player I am obligated to say ornaments (articulations) on fiddle are an attempt to emulate the piper. That & a couple of bucks will buy you a latte.
I imagine the 1st music begn as an attempt by humans to connect with animals. Verbalizations ~ mouth music. Some people say music started with rhythm ~ striking a stick against a rock ~ others say the 1st instrument was a wind instrument. The 1st wind instrument would have to be the mouth & vocal chords. That is why archaeologists cannot find the evidence. It is also why so many people today talk to themselves.
Now I know that does not answer your question. But as long as you enjoy playing fiddle ~ who cares?
Cheers!
Obviously Mr Burke was unlike many on this site in that he decided to help people who wanted to learn. Many would have sneered, in that superior, "purist" manner and ignored Will.
Go back thousands of years
Go back thousands of years
Irish music is not anything to stress about.
Relax.
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by Random_notes
Re: Go back thousands of years
"A serious Irish musician lives in a state or permanent low-level anxiety over how many tunes she doesn't yet know."
-- Barry Foy, Field Guide to the Irish Music Session.
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Go back thousands of years
te he, do you mean "go back thousands of posts'?
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Go back thousands of years
Willie Clancy's legacy to us is the music he loved and cherished during his life time. A thing of beauty in its own right, Having been refined and polished through the generations, Willies music links us to a part of Irelands past and makes us in turn, bearers of that tradition.
Pat mitchel
An Spideal'
Samhain, 1993.
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by jig
Re: Go back thousands of years
"I'm going to teach you a tune I learned from Bobby Casey, who learned it from Junior Crehan, who learned it from Bobby's father, Scully. When you learn this tune, you become part of that circle of musicians, living and dead. And it's your responsibility to pass on the tune--and the spirit of generosity and sense of humour with which they passed it on--to the next person."
Kevin Burke
to me
Portland OR, 1984
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Go back thousands of years
ha ha, do you mean "go back to all the books you've read'?
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Go back thousands of years
(sorry Will, you know where that was addressed)
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Go back thousands of years
No worries Michael. "Addressed?" More likely "aimed," eh?
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Go back thousands of years
>>and the spirit of generosity and sense of humour<<
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by jig
Re: Go back thousands of years
Hey jig, was that really you in that picture linked on the other thread?
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by llig leahcim
Re: Rolls
I came back to playing the fiddle about a month ago, after stumbling around "the case" for ages, being scared to open it (fear of lost intonation, not being able to remember how to hold the bow properly, etc., none of which turned out to be true).
So here I am avidly practicing, with great enjoyment, working on my bowing and ornaments when suddenly this question pops into my mind:
what fiddle player originated *the roll* -- or does anyone know in what region (or even country - Scotland, Ireland, or ____, it originated). I realize this is probably an unanswerable question - - but maybe there are some ideas about when "the roll" first started to be a noticeable component in Irtrad fiddle-tune playing. I'm very curious -- especially since it's a "lot of" what makes Irtrad fiddling sound the way it does.
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by Fid42
Re: Go back thousands of years
Will, what tune did Kevin teach you?
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by old and in the way
Re: Go back thousands of years
That time, it was Rolling in the Barrel. Months later, when I heard it on Casey in the Cow House, the Casey influence was clear--Kevin taught me Casey's setting.
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by Will CPT
Re: Go back thousands of years
"Irish music is not anything to stress about. Relax"
One day we'll all be "past tense" anyways.
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by drone
Re: Go back thousands of years
Fid42 ~ I agree who started what & when & where (?) is unanswerable.
As a wind player I am obligated to say ornaments (articulations) on fiddle are an attempt to emulate the piper. That & a couple of bucks will buy you a latte.
I imagine the 1st music begn as an attempt by humans to connect with animals. Verbalizations ~ mouth music. Some people say music started with rhythm ~ striking a stick against a rock ~ others say the 1st instrument was a wind instrument. The 1st wind instrument would have to be the mouth & vocal chords. That is why archaeologists cannot find the evidence. It is also why so many people today talk to themselves.
Now I know that does not answer your question. But as long as you enjoy playing fiddle ~ who cares?
Cheers!
# Posted on January 10th 2008 by Random_notes
Re: Go back thousands of years
Obviously Mr Burke was unlike many on this site in that he decided to help people who wanted to learn. Many would have sneered, in that superior, "purist" manner and ignored Will.
# Posted on January 12th 2008 by bodhran bliss