Tom Morrow of Dervish - what regional style does he most closely match in his playing? It's not Sligo. If it's Donegal, then it's not like either the Glackin or Peoples take on the Donegal style.
I've heard other young players like that. it's choppy. In the Clare and Sligo styles that I know, fiddle rolls are basically a cut followed by a triplet. But in Morrow's style you have a duple with a cut on the first and a tap on a second. What is that ? I'm messing around with it a bit to see if it works for me.
Maybe it's just a Tom Morrow style - see recent post on Aidan Burke's style versus that of his brother John. Styles can be a personal thing and don't have to be regional.
Heya mhuppert I definitely think it is a personal style of Tom Morrows.
I think with the rolls of the clare and sligo areas....lets say a roll on the B of the A string, you would play B, D, B, A, B...with the the emphasis on the first B and last B and the three notes in the middle played fast to get the roll out. What i have learnt from playing with a few fiddle players and listening to recordings of donegal and tyrone fiddlers is that you can say play the B roll and then once that is just finished cut the B with a D. Also treble bowing, try say a treble on the B and cut the B with a C on the second B (if you know what i mean....BBB - cut the middle B while bowing the treble). It sounds mighty and is what I learnt from a great fiddler in melbourne. Another of my favourites is to treble say for example the B again and just as you finish the treble come out of it with a cut on the C or D.
Anyway give it a go...if you want let me know and I will record it on MP3 for ya and send it to you as an email attachment.
Good luck!
Don't call me a nerd it hurts! It cuts deap!!! And leave my cows out of it! Ha ha yeah Late in the Evening, will try and get down in the next two months and crank it up! keep a seat warm for me in the session boyo!!
But he had some number of lessons from Antoin MacGabhann in/around Meath, and I think it shows pretty strongly in his playing (especially in the way he holds the fiddle & bow).
Antoin doesn't really play in one of the "acknowledged" regional styles himself (or so says the liner notes on his album), but I'd suggest that Tom is, like many of us, a product of his origins...
Ah Tombo, you're not a nerd. What I want to know is, is the Clare style roll an inductive or logical relationship of first B to the penultimate B, and is the entire roll subverted by the inordinate cutting of the last B with the (rather cheeky and obfiscative) D? My personal view is that any comparison of Clare rolls to Donegal rolls invites a detailed dissection and statistical analysis of note relationships which could hopefully be mapped as a fractal, if not a rather sophisticated Venn diagram. I'm more than willing to loan out highlighters to anyone who wishes to attend a conference on the subject. Empirical data is, in my book, paramount... however, it is always fascinating to entertain the notion of inductive theory as influential and therefore of import, eg. whether the roll on the B is actual, and exists independent of perception; a theory that is entirely hypothetical, inasfar as we are unable to obtain supporting empirical data relating to the outcome of any such experiment. Given the untestability of the hypothesis it becomes a fascinating talking point, and I look forward to much parlay on the subject in the ensuing minutes.
ROCK ON MOJO!! Bloody top class Katiebee !!!!! still p*ssing my self laughing! You definitely have to do a comedy act with LITE next year....it will bloody rock!!!
mhuppert and the other sessioner i will do my best to get it to ye tomorrow! glad that my nerdish talent is getting used by people that appreciate the finner more academic side to ITM
tom morrow plays his own style. influenced by Antoin macGabhann and by Cathal hayden's playing. He's a talented enough player to have this unique fiddling style. Maybe its a family thing though as his brother Andy plays very like him.
Thanks 'feadoger' - it's hard to learn this stuff properly down at the arse end of the world (that's what ex PM Paul Keating once called it). It also seems to me if you're playing with a fluter all the time, you would (as a fiddler) start doing flute/pipe-style cuts and taps without even thinking about it
Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Tom Morrow of Dervish - what regional style does he most closely match in his playing? It's not Sligo. If it's Donegal, then it's not like either the Glackin or Peoples take on the Donegal style.
I've heard other young players like that. it's choppy. In the Clare and Sligo styles that I know, fiddle rolls are basically a cut followed by a triplet. But in Morrow's style you have a duple with a cut on the first and a tap on a second. What is that ? I'm messing around with it a bit to see if it works for me.
# Posted on November 27th 2007 by Hup
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Maybe it's just a Tom Morrow style - see recent post on Aidan Burke's style versus that of his brother John. Styles can be a personal thing and don't have to be regional.
# Posted on November 27th 2007 by Bannerman
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
It's the style of Tom Morrow.
# Posted on November 27th 2007 by ragaman
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Heya mhuppert I definitely think it is a personal style of Tom Morrows.
I think with the rolls of the clare and sligo areas....lets say a roll on the B of the A string, you would play B, D, B, A, B...with the the emphasis on the first B and last B and the three notes in the middle played fast to get the roll out. What i have learnt from playing with a few fiddle players and listening to recordings of donegal and tyrone fiddlers is that you can say play the B roll and then once that is just finished cut the B with a D. Also treble bowing, try say a treble on the B and cut the B with a C on the second B (if you know what i mean....BBB - cut the middle B while bowing the treble). It sounds mighty and is what I learnt from a great fiddler in melbourne. Another of my favourites is to treble say for example the B again and just as you finish the treble come out of it with a cut on the C or D.
Anyway give it a go...if you want let me know and I will record it on MP3 for ya and send it to you as an email attachment.
Good luck!
# Posted on November 27th 2007 by tombo
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Ah tombo ye big nerd ye!!! Go out and feed yer cows would ya??
When you droppin' into sydney boyo?
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by late in the evening
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Don't call me a nerd it hurts! It cuts deap!!! And leave my cows out of it!
Ha ha yeah Late in the Evening, will try and get down in the next two months and crank it up! keep a seat warm for me in the session boyo!!
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by tombo
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
If I remember correctly, Tom is from Leitrim.
But he had some number of lessons from Antoin MacGabhann in/around Meath, and I think it shows pretty strongly in his playing (especially in the way he holds the fiddle & bow).
Antoin doesn't really play in one of the "acknowledged" regional styles himself (or so says the liner notes on his album), but I'd suggest that Tom is, like many of us, a product of his origins...
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by Georgi
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Ah Tombo, you're not a nerd. What I want to know is, is the Clare style roll an inductive or logical relationship of first B to the penultimate B, and is the entire roll subverted by the inordinate cutting of the last B with the (rather cheeky and obfiscative) D? My personal view is that any comparison of Clare rolls to Donegal rolls invites a detailed dissection and statistical analysis of note relationships which could hopefully be mapped as a fractal, if not a rather sophisticated Venn diagram. I'm more than willing to loan out highlighters to anyone who wishes to attend a conference on the subject. Empirical data is, in my book, paramount... however, it is always fascinating to entertain the notion of inductive theory as influential and therefore of import, eg. whether the roll on the B is actual, and exists independent of perception; a theory that is entirely hypothetical, inasfar as we are unable to obtain supporting empirical data relating to the outcome of any such experiment. Given the untestability of the hypothesis it becomes a fascinating talking point, and I look forward to much parlay on the subject in the ensuing minutes.
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by katiebee
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
'Tombo', yes I would greatly appreciate getting this mp3 if you have time. If not thanks for the nerdy analysis - just what I need.
And Georgi, thanks for your info about Morrow's roots.
If there is no other business, meeting adjourned.
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by Hup
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Its sounds very European to me ... almost Eurovision atyle
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by eurbanjo
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Sorry, fellas - didn't mean to pollute a genuine discussion. Just had a slightly crazy day. Keep up the good work .
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by katiebee
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
ROCK ON MOJO!! Bloody top class Katiebee !!!!!
still p*ssing my self laughing! You definitely have to do a comedy act with LITE next year....it will bloody rock!!!
mhuppert and the other sessioner i will do my best to get it to ye tomorrow! glad that my nerdish talent is getting used by people that appreciate the finner more academic side to ITM
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by tombo
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
While yer at it tombo, could you send one to me too. Sounds intraweeging.
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by Clear Drops
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
tom morrow plays his own style. influenced by Antoin macGabhann and by Cathal hayden's playing. He's a talented enough player to have this unique fiddling style. Maybe its a family thing though as his brother Andy plays very like him.
# Posted on November 28th 2007 by feadoger
Re: Tom Morrow - what regional style?
Thanks 'feadoger' - it's hard to learn this stuff properly down at the arse end of the world (that's what ex PM Paul Keating once called it). It also seems to me if you're playing with a fluter all the time, you would (as a fiddler) start doing flute/pipe-style cuts and taps without even thinking about it
# Posted on November 29th 2007 by Hup