When you say Instruments, can they be of the surgical variety?
The use of No. 22 blade Scalpels, Rat-toothed Spencer-Wells forceps and surgical scissors springs to mind.
There's a pub near us, The Anchor, which hosts what is euphemistically called a session, where bodhrans accompany other bodhrans, also eggs, bongo drums, rainsticks and so on.
In between the bouts of cacophony can be heard people groaning. I thought they were groaning cos they had sore ears, but someone told me it was singing.
Am I the only one snickering at "cynical ali"? I think our friend Domhniaill is a genius. I find myself tuning into discussions more and more lately just to hear what he might say.
Get out of the music biz, bro, and leave off the science: you ought to be writin'.
why so many people hate the bodhran?
I like a lot the bodhran. ( and the darabouka, in ITM too ).
I forgot and lost my bodhran on the train.The day after there was a party .I still have the darabouha, he he he...
I play bodhran also, but have the sense to know it's a backing instrument. Greenman is up to one of his wind-ups anyway. I don't think anyone is being particularly serious here..... except me, of course, right now.
They're used in dissections, to hold lumps of stuff out of the way while you dig deeper to get to the other lumps of stuff that you actually want to look at........
Yes, you're rhetorical question was correct, you didn't want to know that, did you, Zina.
But you just insulted my mate Conan, so that's me getting you back! (joke).
Trevor, I actually meant to say Spencer-Wells OR rat-toothed forceps. The Rat-Toothed would go right through an artery. They are like their metaphorical name, ie they've got sharp little teeth at the front.
So you're right, Spencer-Wells are blood vessel clamps.
Come to think of it, SW's are no good for cleaning bodhran frames, but are good for clamping arteries.
Why does everybody hate the bodhran, I think it's a delightful instrument listening to.
And to all you funny guys/girls: This is a place for discussion, not for people who are being lamers because they don't understand real music. If you wanna be funny, there's thousands of other forums that can't wait to hear your silly opinions!
No, that's bodhran thumpers. Bodhran players ARE real musicians. Unfortunately they are a very rare species.
Maybe a lamer is someone who plays the lam, which is shorthand for lambeg drum.
A dear friend left their Bodhran on the passenger seat of the car. On returning the window had been smashed in
and another 3 bodhrans were on the seat.
Have you heard any professional recordings of several bodhran players in the same band, or playing as a duet? It's fairly common with drumset or with a drummer/percussionist.
It sounds like a great idea, one higher ornamental drum, the other a lower bass register... or whatever.
This doesn't really address the "suitable" part of the premise, I suppose, but it _was_, well, interesting: Stopped in a pub in Dublin for a quick drink, and there was a group of musicians including one bodhran player, three tenor banjo players and a tin whistle player.
They were playing that fine traditional Irish song "(Why Not Take) All of Me."
Try playing "Feelings" sometime on the bodhran in lieu of a shot of single malt,... as a "sleeping pill"... it works! I suppose "All of Me" would be a very close second.
Seriously though..... It's the fife and drum for me, as an answer to Greenman's query... That is the only suitable solo accompanyment instrument.
Why doesn't someone go and invent a bouncy Bodhran - a rubber inflatable one that doesn't make any noise, and when struck, the tipper bounces off and hits the culprit in the eye.
Love
Conical Ali
(Flute player)
In all seriousness, the sound of one well-tempered bodhraniser and one to three flutes hits the spot for me.
..or a circular xylophone. I still know how to true a wheel using chalk...you're not the first ex-race cyclist turned fiddle player I've "met" , Trev. What is it with you guys? Attention to technical and mechanical detail, plus some stuff I'm about to go on about...
I tried to get this going on a thread recently, which ended up with yoga people discussing breathing technique [- fair enough, Bhagavad-Gita to you too, mate. When I grow up, or retire, whichever comes first (the latter I suspect), I'd like to make some space to try meditation.]
I kind of suspect that sports- or former sports-people, who have an ear for music, would make good traditional musicians. OCD personality type, narcissistic egos, competitive spirit, good team skills, determination, loyalty to your team, and mostly, a liking for the craic and the beers - not a necessary prerequisite for either activity, but participation in this activity has been noted in both fields, by this observer.
Sorry....even further deviation....but there's only so much you can say on a bodhr
Caoimhin Macaoidh in his book "Between the jigs and the reels-the Donegal fiddle tradition " quotes "Much has been spoken in recent years concerning bodhran acccompaniment to traditional music.In Donegal there appears to be much fewer players compared to other counties.This seems to suit the existing body of fidlers since it is generally considered that other than in the hands of three or four very talented individuals throughout the entire country, it is normally a disruptive device.More simply,as one player maintains, the bodhran best serves two purposes at any session; either as a big communal ashtray or as a large tray for bringing down real musicians a round of drink, preferably paid for by it's owner".
I can't argue with, and won't dispute nor take offense at this comment. As a drummer for 30 years myself (bodhran for 4). Playing the irish frame drum correctly, with solid timing, appropriate musicality, dynamics and tempo is a HIGHLY advanced and rare skill. I don't have it in all situations, yet I recognize it when I see it. And given my background and experience, it amazes and discourages me whan another drummer arrives that has only taken up drums for three months, including the time to order and take delivery of the instrument on the internet. I'm not against aspiring musicianship, but it fuels attitudes such as stated above, like a dry forest and a hot match. What to do? The committed drummer will study the art and earn a professional reputation and the banger will be asked to buy rounds for the band.
There, Charlie, y'see why greenman decided to hit and run? *grin* Take heart. We'd not be kidding the drummers so bad if we really meant it. Well, not much. Heh.
For a year i studied the qualities and possibilities of the hammered dulcimer... I thought I was a shoe in, as what I was hearing were basically melodic rhythms....... but then, on second thought,..... I said Nahhhhh! I'd rather bang on a drum. When I figure out the bodhran, I'll let you know. Any year now!
as a kid, I knew how to spell or at least pronounce two or three huge words, one was antidisestablishmentarianism.... I have no idea what it means, but that 's what I accused greenman of by posting this thread and than failing to contribute, or at least harass from time to time.
Seamus O'Kane makes an interesting drum. I cannot comprehend how he does that taping thing on the head/rim. perfectly circular.
Of course it doesn't matter, but it did take me two weeks to learn how to spell it when I was eleven. (Maybe I should have learned to play the bodhran instead .... or maybe not)
I tried to post this before but it erm didn't work. So much for being an IT Professional. Got back from Fareham and Gosport festival on Monday night. Had a great time. The music was excellent, and I was particularly impressed by D
Certainly, quiet relative to a heard of stampeding buffalo, if not, an entire section of screeching violin's or a row of peeping, tooting flutes.... Yes, it's ALL relative!
Conan, thanks for your report on Gosport, and a new name for me, Tristan Rosenstock. Does Teada have a CD library? What is the web address of that UK Music outlet similar to Amazon.com. I am not finding any of the music I need in the USA.
I've just added the official site to the links section, where you can order their CDs and listen to a few sound samples first. Of course Michael is right - it's gonna sound loud no matter how many drums there are.
Hi Conan,
Were you at the sessions in the Clarence on Sun + Mon evenings? I can't remember seeing or hearing you, mind you I was drinking Blakes Heaven 7%, so its all a bit vague.
Get yourself to Chippenham at the end of the month, bank holiday weekend, and I'll catch you in the Old Road Tavern for some irish. You can get from the smoke by train and there's a decent campsite in the centre of town.Check the festival website via Google for details,
See Yer, Ric the Whistle
Suitable instruments to accompany the bodhr
Suitable instruments to accompany the bodhr
A guitar-player who enjoys the rhythmical aspects of accompanying.
A melodeon-player who likewise enjoys playing with the rhythm accompaniment.
Any flute player, who teaches you where the "breaths" come in a tune. Use them or ignore them. They're in many tunes.
One other accomplished bodhr
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by greenman
Instruments?
When you say Instruments, can they be of the surgical variety?
The use of No. 22 blade Scalpels, Rat-toothed Spencer-Wells forceps and surgical scissors springs to mind.
Yours Faithfully,
Cynical Ali.
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by Rudall the time
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And where would the bodhr
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
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...But seriously, folks...
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by greenman
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Serious? You start up a thread with a title like that and you want us to be *serious*?!? *snicker*
Personally, I think that list of players sounds like players anyone would want to play with.
zls
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by Zina Lee
!
Danny ...
What a gift for you! Open net job ... and the SLOBS have yet another thing to damn you for. (in-joke)
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by Aidan Crossey
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I would accompany one or more to the tip or incinerator
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by Bryan
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surgical instruments
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by ...
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Accompany the bodhr
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by breandan
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According to Seamus Ennis the only really traditional way would be to use a swiss army knife...
# Posted on April 16th 2003 by swisspiper
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There's a pub near us, The Anchor, which hosts what is euphemistically called a session, where bodhrans accompany other bodhrans, also eggs, bongo drums, rainsticks and so on.
In between the bouts of cacophony can be heard people groaning. I thought they were groaning cos they had sore ears, but someone told me it was singing.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Rudall the time
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Am I the only one snickering at "cynical ali"? I think our friend Domhniaill is a genius. I find myself tuning into discussions more and more lately just to hear what he might say.
Get out of the music biz, bro, and leave off the science: you ought to be writin'.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by cuchulain54
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why so many people hate the bodhran?
I like a lot the bodhran. ( and the darabouka, in ITM too ).
I forgot and lost my bodhran on the train.The day after there was a party .I still have the darabouha, he he he...
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by gian marco
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Oh god, cuch, don't go encouraging the guy... *snort*
zls
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Zina Lee
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Good on you Gian Marco! I play the bodhr
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Conán McDonnell
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Yeah, well, it just occurred to me that you play almost all the instruments that people love to hate, Con
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Zina Lee
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I play bodhran also, but have the sense to know it's a backing instrument. Greenman is up to one of his wind-ups anyway. I don't think anyone is being particularly serious here..... except me, of course, right now.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Rudall the time
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By the way, what the heck do you use a "Rat-toothed Spencer-Wells forceps" for? Or do I want to know?
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Zina Lee
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Zina, I believe Spencer-Wells forceps are haemostatic forceps - for clamping arteries, etc.
Trevor
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
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They can be used for cleaning....
....the skins from bodhrans.
They're used in dissections, to hold lumps of stuff out of the way while you dig deeper to get to the other lumps of stuff that you actually want to look at........
Yes, you're rhetorical question was correct, you didn't want to know that, did you, Zina.
But you just insulted my mate Conan, so that's me getting you back! (joke).
Danny.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Rudall the time
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Do they really make them out of rats?
*snort*
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Zina Lee
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Interesting point, Con
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
On insulting Con
I try my best to tease and/or insult Con
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Zina Lee
Trevor, I actually meant to say Spencer-Wells OR rat-toothed forceps. The Rat-Toothed would go right through an artery. They are like their metaphorical name, ie they've got sharp little teeth at the front.
So you're right, Spencer-Wells are blood vessel clamps.
Come to think of it, SW's are no good for cleaning bodhran frames, but are good for clamping arteries.
Danny.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Rudall the time
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Why does everybody hate the bodhran, I think it's a delightful instrument listening to.
And to all you funny guys/girls: This is a place for discussion, not for people who are being lamers because they don't understand real music. If you wanna be funny, there's thousands of other forums that can't wait to hear your silly opinions!
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by tufbo
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What's a Lamer? Is this some sort of Scandanavian creature - like a lemming with no legs?
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Ottery
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Um. Tufbo. Do you just not get around to sessions much? *grin* This is most certainly a good place to be funny. Why? Because we said so. So there.
zls
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Zina Lee
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pheeeew! They got this stuff called valium ya know
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by B Rad
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Can I please be the backup fiddler in a bodhran band? Hey Tufbo, is that better?
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Mark Cordova
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A lamer - isn't it a kind of monkey from Madagascar? Or it used to be a lion tamer but the middle part got eaten.
I reckon this guy is another one of Will Harmon's wind-up alter-egos. Conan! work out this anagram!
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Rudall the time
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LOL -- I forgot all about that...! Thanks for the reminder, it made me laugh...
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Zina Lee
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Aren't bodhran players those guys that hang around the real musicians?
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by B Rad
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No, that's bodhran thumpers. Bodhran players ARE real musicians. Unfortunately they are a very rare species.
Maybe a lamer is someone who plays the lam, which is shorthand for lambeg drum.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Rudall the time
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I liked the Madagascarian monkey better.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Zina Lee
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Same thing.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Rudall the time
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A dear friend left their Bodhran on the passenger seat of the car. On returning the window had been smashed in
and another 3 bodhrans were on the seat.
# Posted on April 17th 2003 by Bryan
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greenman......
Have you heard any professional recordings of several bodhran players in the same band, or playing as a duet? It's fairly common with drumset or with a drummer/percussionist.
It sounds like a great idea, one higher ornamental drum, the other a lower bass register... or whatever.
What bands/albums?
# Posted on April 18th 2003 by irish ruff
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This doesn't really address the "suitable" part of the premise, I suppose, but it _was_, well, interesting: Stopped in a pub in Dublin for a quick drink, and there was a group of musicians including one bodhran player, three tenor banjo players and a tin whistle player.
They were playing that fine traditional Irish song "(Why Not Take) All of Me."
# Posted on April 19th 2003 by sts
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Lounge lizards........
Try playing "Feelings" sometime on the bodhran in lieu of a shot of single malt,... as a "sleeping pill"... it works! I suppose "All of Me" would be a very close second.
Seriously though..... It's the fife and drum for me, as an answer to Greenman's query... That is the only suitable solo accompanyment instrument.
# Posted on April 19th 2003 by irish ruff
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Why doesn't someone go and invent a bouncy Bodhran - a rubber inflatable one that doesn't make any noise, and when struck, the tipper bounces off and hits the culprit in the eye.
Love
Conical Ali
(Flute player)
In all seriousness, the sound of one well-tempered bodhraniser and one to three flutes hits the spot for me.
Danny.
# Posted on April 19th 2003 by Rudall the time
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Danny, your bouncy bodhr
# Posted on April 19th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
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Like a circular piano - but we're deviating from bodhrans - now there's a thought..
# Posted on April 19th 2003 by Rudall the time
..or a circular xylophone. I still know how to true a wheel using chalk...you're not the first ex-race cyclist turned fiddle player I've "met" , Trev. What is it with you guys? Attention to technical and mechanical detail, plus some stuff I'm about to go on about...
I tried to get this going on a thread recently, which ended up with yoga people discussing breathing technique [- fair enough, Bhagavad-Gita to you too, mate. When I grow up, or retire, whichever comes first (the latter I suspect), I'd like to make some space to try meditation.]
I kind of suspect that sports- or former sports-people, who have an ear for music, would make good traditional musicians. OCD personality type, narcissistic egos, competitive spirit, good team skills, determination, loyalty to your team, and mostly, a liking for the craic and the beers - not a necessary prerequisite for either activity, but participation in this activity has been noted in both fields, by this observer.
Sorry....even further deviation....but there's only so much you can say on a bodhr
# Posted on April 19th 2003 by Rudall the time
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I kid you not... there is a guy I know that actually shows up to sessions with a freaking water cooler jug and plays on that..
# Posted on April 19th 2003 by cvplummer
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My favorite of that ilk is still Will's "rockist"!
zls
# Posted on April 19th 2003 by Zina Lee
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well,how about one fiddle playing a jig with 2 bodhr
# Posted on April 20th 2003 by biggus dave
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The notes I handle no better than many pianists. But the pauses between the notes -- ah, that is where the art resides......
greenman, I don't like your "post and run" technique. It smacks of antidisentarianism.
# Posted on April 21st 2003 by irish ruff
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Caoimhin Macaoidh in his book "Between the jigs and the reels-the Donegal fiddle tradition " quotes "Much has been spoken in recent years concerning bodhran acccompaniment to traditional music.In Donegal there appears to be much fewer players compared to other counties.This seems to suit the existing body of fidlers since it is generally considered that other than in the hands of three or four very talented individuals throughout the entire country, it is normally a disruptive device.More simply,as one player maintains, the bodhran best serves two purposes at any session; either as a big communal ashtray or as a large tray for bringing down real musicians a round of drink, preferably paid for by it's owner".
# Posted on April 21st 2003 by ricthewhistle
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I can't argue with, and won't dispute nor take offense at this comment. As a drummer for 30 years myself (bodhran for 4). Playing the irish frame drum correctly, with solid timing, appropriate musicality, dynamics and tempo is a HIGHLY advanced and rare skill. I don't have it in all situations, yet I recognize it when I see it. And given my background and experience, it amazes and discourages me whan another drummer arrives that has only taken up drums for three months, including the time to order and take delivery of the instrument on the internet. I'm not against aspiring musicianship, but it fuels attitudes such as stated above, like a dry forest and a hot match. What to do? The committed drummer will study the art and earn a professional reputation and the banger will be asked to buy rounds for the band.
# Posted on April 21st 2003 by irish ruff
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Irish_Ruff: Open your ears to the wonder of melody and learn a proper instrument. 30 years is never too late.
# Posted on April 22nd 2003 by ...
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There, Charlie, y'see why greenman decided to hit and run? *grin* Take heart. We'd not be kidding the drummers so bad if we really meant it. Well, not much. Heh.
zls
# Posted on April 22nd 2003 by Zina Lee
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Michael........ I thought about that.
For a year i studied the qualities and possibilities of the hammered dulcimer... I thought I was a shoe in, as what I was hearing were basically melodic rhythms....... but then, on second thought,..... I said Nahhhhh! I'd rather bang on a drum. When I figure out the bodhran, I'll let you know. Any year now!
# Posted on April 22nd 2003 by irish ruff
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Hey DMA, Charlie and Zina!
Wind Up? Hit and run? Me?
Had a good session last week when I finally got to grips with my newish (last November) SOK bodhr
# Posted on April 22nd 2003 by greenman
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what the heck does antidissentarianally mean? something to do with bodhran players i presume?
# Posted on April 22nd 2003 by ketida
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Ok, I started that, ...
as a kid, I knew how to spell or at least pronounce two or three huge words, one was antidisestablishmentarianism.... I have no idea what it means, but that 's what I accused greenman of by posting this thread and than failing to contribute, or at least harass from time to time.
Seamus O'Kane makes an interesting drum. I cannot comprehend how he does that taping thing on the head/rim. perfectly circular.
# Posted on April 22nd 2003 by irish ruff
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antidisestablishmentarianism means you like the idea of the church running the state
# Posted on April 23rd 2003 by ...
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Or is it the state running the church, Michael? Or does it really matter, one way or the other?
Trevor Sitting-on-the-Fence
# Posted on April 23rd 2003 by Trevor Jennings
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Of course it doesn't matter, but it did take me two weeks to learn how to spell it when I was eleven. (Maybe I should have learned to play the bodhran instead .... or maybe not)
# Posted on April 23rd 2003 by ...
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Hi Guys 'n' gells
I tried to post this before but it erm didn't work. So much for being an IT Professional. Got back from Fareham and Gosport festival on Monday night. Had a great time. The music was excellent, and I was particularly impressed by D
# Posted on April 23rd 2003 by Conán McDonnell
P.S.
On the subject of slagging me off, go right ahead! I'm too laid back to take that sort of nonsense to heart.
And anyway, I know where ye live....
Con
# Posted on April 23rd 2003 by Conán McDonnell
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"Relativly quiet" ?
relative to what ?
# Posted on April 24th 2003 by ...
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Relative to you
# Posted on April 24th 2003 by Conán McDonnell
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Touche'........ nice one...
Certainly, quiet relative to a heard of stampeding buffalo, if not, an entire section of screeching violin's or a row of peeping, tooting flutes.... Yes, it's ALL relative!
Conan, thanks for your report on Gosport, and a new name for me, Tristan Rosenstock. Does Teada have a CD library? What is the web address of that UK Music outlet similar to Amazon.com. I am not finding any of the music I need in the USA.
# Posted on April 24th 2003 by irish ruff
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I've just added the official site to the links section, where you can order their CDs and listen to a few sound samples first. Of course Michael is right - it's gonna sound loud no matter how many drums there are.
# Posted on April 24th 2003 by Conán McDonnell
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Hi Conan,
Were you at the sessions in the Clarence on Sun + Mon evenings? I can't remember seeing or hearing you, mind you I was drinking Blakes Heaven 7%, so its all a bit vague.
Get yourself to Chippenham at the end of the month, bank holiday weekend, and I'll catch you in the Old Road Tavern for some irish. You can get from the smoke by train and there's a decent campsite in the centre of town.Check the festival website via Google for details,
See Yer, Ric the Whistle
# Posted on April 25th 2003 by ricthewhistle