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An unlikely vector for Irish tradition

An unlikely vector for Irish tradition

Devotees of baseball, and the Boston Red Sox in particular, may have noted the attention that pitcher Jonathan Papelbon has received -- not just for his splendid work, but his unique victory celebration dance style, which blends elements of traditional Irish dance with, um, well, I'm not sure what.
You can judge for yourself-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o6eXGDjbWn8

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by sts

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GO SAWX!

Perhaps there's a little Zydeco in thre? Paps was born in Baton Rogue. Remember the Cajun Chef on PBS?

"This is the Ca-JUN Chef heya, we're cooking some oni-ON with Red Sox pitcher Jonath-ON Papelb-ON..."

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler

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I agree, while the commentators call it Irish, and local stations have grafted Riverdance music into the background, when they replay the clips, I think it is more Cajun than Irish--Pap picked up those steps down in Loooosiana. But remember, "Cajun" is a corrupted version of the name "Acadian"--these folks emigrated to Louisiana from Canada, where French music and dance traditions mixed with Irish and Scots traditions. So there probably is some Irish influence even if what he is doing is purely Cajun.
One of the interesting things I have noted this season is that this year's bullpen has formed a little "drumming circle" using empty water bottles. So in the later innings, as their bottles empty, you begin to hear a wild mix of American marching band, Cajun and African rhythms coming out of the bullpen. I was in the grandstands a few weeks ago, and when it started, most people were mystified as to the source of the rhythm. I had seen them drumming on television a few times before during the season, so I quickly realized what it was and explained it to the people around me.
So as far as I can see, the Sox are not only the best team in baseball, they are the most musical!

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by AlBrown

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"Paps was born in Baton Rogue"

Is that the Cajun equivalent of a Shillelagh??

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by CreadurMawnOrganig

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Swapped vowels?

Lost consonants?

Arcadia?

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by CreadurMawnOrganig

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More info on Paps dancing skillz, courtesy of the Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/bostonworks/galleries/if_they_werent_sox?pg=9

"Jonathan Papelbon
Current job: Red Sox closer
Could have been: Professional dancer

Some call the dancing genius. Some call it beyond awful. But enough about Michael Flatley.

What Papelbon and the king of "Riverdance" share is inspiration. And we have no doubt that Paps would rip it up just as hard in a bow tie and white gloves as he does with two outs in the bottom of the ninth."

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler

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That's a great story, Al, I had no idea the boys in the bullpen were grooving out, that's hilarious. See what happens when you haven't been to Fenway in 8+ years?

...and yes NameChanges, I believe the direct translation for Baton Rogue is "Bloody Club"...

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler

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Ooops, yeah, I think the Canadian term is Arcadia, not Acadia.

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by AlBrown

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Baton Rouge means red stick, the story I heard was that a scout or surveyor marked the best location for a new trading outpost with a red stick stuck in the riverbank, and the city grew from there.

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by AlBrown

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Aw rats Al, can't we lay some invented nonsense out about it? :)

"Paddy MacGee and his newly wed Franco-Navaho wife settled in Northern Louisiana back in the late 18th century. Paddy was known for his prolific skills in faction fighting. They named the town after the color that Paddy's Shillelagh usually was after a good tussle..."

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler

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"I believe the direct translation for Baton Rogue is "Bloody Club"..."

No, SWFL - that's 'Baton ROUGE'

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by CreadurMawnOrganig

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Jaysus. Go Rockies.

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by NEW Pure DropĀ® Ear Canal Oil

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Maybe when they lose the world series they can go on the road as a band...
Go Rockies!

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Wyogal

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Not only am I a Red Sox fan, but I dislike the Rockies for sartorial reasons:
1. Their uniforms contain pinstripes reminiscent of the New York Yankees (yuk).
2. Their uniforms contain the color purple (hardly a color traditionally associated with baseball).
3. Their uniforms consist of that odd vest with a turtleneck undergarment combination that has been popular lately (again, hardly a look in keeping with baseball traditions).

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by AlBrown

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Having gaggles of relatives in Massachusetts, I concede that Boston is the spiritual center of "Irish America" and therefore the Red Sawks are the defcto team of Irish America.

But Al Brown, please do not boast of baseball purity when the Sawks play in the American league which uses the God-foresaken Desacrated Hitter. It's an abomination before man and God.

And please how about a shout out for former Arizona State star Dustin Pedroia? He hit dat bawl wicked fah last night didn't he? He makes every diminutive desert dweller's heart swell with pride.

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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Oops - that should read "defacto team of Irish America"

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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I'm wearing my JD Drew Shirt today - no rocks or rockies have been flung at me yet - and people on the street are yelling "All is Forgotten JD!" I'm feelin' pretty good as Beckett will be firin' knee-buckling curvey balls at em after "Didn't even see it" fastballs...
Yaz is throwing out the first pitch tonight! The stars are in sync - the moon will be full of Ortiz Orbiting Orbs and Manny Monstrous Nukes out to the pike!
A new tune will be smithered from the historic event - WE BURIED THE ROCKIES AND DANCED ON THEIR GRAVE!
Good Luck to both teams - may the luckiest one win!
I just hope someone teaches Papelbon how to dance a proper Zydeco Breakdown Strathspey Reel Barndance Jig...

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by paulgil

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Blah Blah Blah...The Irish in Boston...If your not from Boston your not an Irish American...Holy Feck!

WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE USA FULL OF IRISH.....? CHi-town,Phily,NYC,SanFran...etc..

"spiritual center of Irish America" c-mon...

I liked the RedSox when they sucked!! Just like I liked the Indians when they really sucked ! I never did like the Whitesoxs but I was sad for Chicago when everybody wore WhiteSox hats because they won a series..Even though they were Cub's fans...

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by lamh trom

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Well lamh trom, isn't that just like an Irish American - routing for teams that suck. What was it SWFL was saying about self-loathing...? (I'm only joking here, don't send the Chi-town teamsters after me OK?)

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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Maybe they will order the "oyster" special at the game while in Denver.....

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Wyogal

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Go Rockies.

Free agency and media money have made pro baseball boringly mercenary. It's come down to this: hoping the mercenaries temporarily playing on less-moneyed teams (Rockies) will smack the mercenaries temporarily playing for big moolah teams (Red Sox).

Whilst I'm on this oh so fascinating topic: pulling for the hugely moneyed Red Sox is only slightly less repugnant than pulling for the ginormously moneyed Yankees.

Red Sox and Yankees fans who are thrilled (gasp! whoodathunkit!) they've made the post-season likely spend the off-season cheering for other yawningly obvious things, like gravity.

(Not that anyone's watching beisbol anymore. World Series viewership will barely exceed that for the typhoon-delayed Rangoon League blindfolded badminton semis on ESPN-9.)

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by NEW Pure DropĀ® Ear Canal Oil

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Jusa, I admit, Arizona State alum Dustin Pedroia is pretty awesome, something you could see even when he played AAA ball in Pawtucket.
And yeah, who cares about penny anty stuff like whether or not sessions are performances when we can argue about something important like the infamous designated hitter rule!!!! (Which I was never all that keen on, but as long as it is on the rule books, I am glad my team capitalizes on it with a guy like Big Papi.)
paulgil, I wonder if all those stacks of JD Drew shirts I saw on sale at the local sporting goods store will finally get sold? Amazing what one hit can do for a guy.....
I am surprised the Reverend hasn't joined this discussion yet.
Go Sox!

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by AlBrown

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Ya - where is Reverend to defend his beloved Rockies? Standing in line to buy tickets for another freezing night at Coors Field one would assume.

Rev - Your banjo strings have been ordered by the way - pain in the @rse that it was. I hope these newtone strings are as good as advertised. (and no - I don't wanna bet again against your boys in purple...:-P

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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Hey AlBrown,
I must admit - the JD shirt was my son's - procured at the beginning of the season - after countless double play balls - ugly whiffs - stankin' bases loaded pop-ups and well you know the rest - round July whenst it was bequeathed to me for when I was supposed to paint the crumblin' homestead - so I sported it last night at the Skellig Session in Waltham last night - walked in and all the punters and sessioners gave a subdued nod of the head as if I had finally done something right - then Seamus Connolly walked in with Laurel Martin - then Jimmy Noonan - then Matt Cranitch - and holee molee there were some crackin' tunes exploding out into the ether...
So I will wear my JD shirt till he whiffs with bags full bottom nine game 7 - one run down...
Then there will be a fire sale on JD #7 shirts...
But it sure brought me luck last night...
I go back to the 67 Sox - money has entered into the equation - but it warms the cockles of my sox to watch the Yankers - the highest payroll in the galaxy - to burn out like a tired old Hag With The Money...

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by paulgil

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(With apologies to Dr. Seuss...)

Rox
Sox
Rox on Fox
Sox on Fox
Rox vs. Sox on Fox
Sox vs. Rox on Fox
Sox vs. Rox in Coors Bandbox

Sox have Jocks
Rox have Jocks
Jocks in Field or Batter's Box
Jocks with Money Box of Stocks
Papi strong as Wild Ox

Fox ex-Jocks sit in Press Box
Listen to Tim McCarver's Vox!
The insanity he Talks and Squawks
Joe Buck oughtta clean his Clocks

Rox beat Sox
Sox beat Rox

No one claims the games are Locks
And on some wood a Nation Knocks
But if the Rox Outfox the Sox
Or Gagne Walks or Beckett Balks
It surely would cause Mocks and Shocks
Requiring Whiskey on the Rocks

From http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler

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All the early stars at the game were from Ireland. They used to think it was "genetic". Really.

Not like that now. Good old Fidel's boys are the stars.

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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I like SF. Barry Bonds for me. Amazing.

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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Bliss - my brother wore his San Francisco Giants hat a few years ago while visiting friends in Belfast. He made a turn into a wrong neighborhood and was hassled for having a big S.F. on his hat. The locals thought he was one of Gerry's boys!

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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Half of Belfast were looking for SF hats for that very reason.

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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I don't understand anything about this particular discussion.
But then my SO brought me back a Mets cap from NYNY, so who am I to talk ?
Is there any ITM content in this discussion ?

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Guernsey Pete

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I tried to get into baseball at one point, thought it would help the summers go by slower.....
but, am spending my time learning ITM instead.
(How's that for content?)

# Posted on October 24th 2007 by Wyogal

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The Murphy's Shipping off to Boston, which Pap 'dances' to, has an accordion soloin the first few bars. And I think 'Tessie' has the bagpipes in there, too. Does that count enough for relating to music? And I have a couple friends whose Irish dance school is associated with the Murphy's, they've danced at both the Red Sox Rally, and in Fenway Park before Game 7.

I'm more of a Lowell fan myself...and I like Ellsbury too. Go Sox!!

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by mellow yellow

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> I think the Canadian term is Arcadia, not Acadia.

Sorry to interrupt the baseball thing, but the term is "Acadia", which you can read more about in this fiendishly helpful article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadia

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by Gzeg

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I suppose the point is that the word comes from French "L'Acadie" (possibly originally Arkadia), which became "Acadian" in English, and subsequently "Cajun" after they got run out of Nova Scotia. 1755!

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by Gzeg

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I must come clean and confess to really being a Mets fan. I like Bonds, especially all the hypocrisy surrounding criticism of him, and he is talented. I actually enjoyed watching the sport for a few years, but I now work during the day, and it is on late.

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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I actually love to watch hurling - but that is impossible to find over here - no matter what time of day. I saw Offaly v Meath back in 98 and thought it was the coolest game I ever saw.

I spent about an hour talking hurling with a maintenance man working at Croak park on my last visit to Dublin. He said the best player ever was Christy Ring, (but he was a Cork man too) What say you to that Bliss? How does Ring stack up against the boys from Norn Iron?

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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Ring was Babe Ruth, Bonds and Jader rolled into one. The first man to take it seriously, he was still playing at the top level into his forties.

Norn Ireland is isolated from the strongholds, my own county, Antrim, being the best team. But we do not come up against top counties until the age of 18, far too late. In Kilkenny, they are wizards by the age of six, hurling being the only sport in the county.

In recent years DJ Carey of Kilkenny was exceptional, and at present they have Henry Shefflin, and a 24/25 year old legend in Tommy Walsh.

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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: (
13 -1 last I looked...

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by Wyogal

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The last time I saw anything like it was on a wildlife program. I think it involved an Ostrich's Mating Display.

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by mandonewbie

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One game down, four to go.
Go Sox.

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by AlBrown

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ooops I mean three more to go.

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by AlBrown

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3 to go Al - do you kick off tunes in your session by counting 1-2-3-4-5 as well....? (joking) :-D

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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I'm not feelin' the mojo about tonight - Young Beckett-like kid slingin' phosphorous argonian gas beams going against the old wiley cagey sock-bleedin' veteran Schill...so AlBrown - maybe 4 to go is spot on...
Pass the popcorn please...
When will I get Vincent Broderick's "The Coachman's Whip" session ready? Another 10 years I'll have it cold...Then Fox On The Prowl...Then Flagstone of Memories...
I'll be a goner before that...
Pass the ITM content this way please...

# Posted on October 25th 2007 by paulgil

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Would I annoy our colonial cousins if I pointed out that in Britain baseball,or rounders as we call it,is a girl's game?

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by dafydd

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I'm here, JNE.

Looking forward to the strings - sorry they're such a hassle! I can't imagine that they'll be worth all the fuss, but it will be an interesting test!

Things aren't looking so good for my beloved Rockies at the moment, but nothing is over until it's over, I guess. There couldn't be more difference between the two stadiums. It will be interesting to see how the Sox fare in the rare air, and a field that is huge, compared to the postage-stamp-sized Fenway.

But I have to hand it to the Sox, they have played some extremely solid baseball in this series, while the Rox came out flat on Wednesday. Last night was a fun game to watch, though.

Pete

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Reverend

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Yes Pete - I think the Rocks will get at least one out there in Mile Highland - but Saturday is Dice-K... The Rockies are too good to go down in 4 - like you said - tis not over til the Fat Lady Eats Sushi!
And what are Rocky Mountain Oysters anyway?
Here's to great sports drama and excitement - tis like waiting for some of the comments on this site...
Paulie

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by paulgil

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There was a fan, lived in this town
(The one that's known as Red Sox Nation)
Who had a fault that made him frown
It was a Ruthless hex fixation

But when the Rockies ventured out
(They went by air instead of by land)
This fan he knew they'd face a rout
If they should part from their Mile Highland

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by GaryAMartin

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Is there anything more boring than sport? A bunch of overgrown,overpaid schoolboys farting around on a field,although the moronic commentary can be entertaining.
Here are some genuine ones
"They've put their heads above the precipice"
"The game is in a neutral country for both teams"
"They out-thought us mentally and physically"
"The defender was so laid back he was almost vertical"
"The ball defied gravity and dropped like a stone"
"That shot was as straight as a whistle"
"He's making all kinds of hand signals but no-one can hear him"
"He's grinning like a Chesire Cheese"
"Novo did well to get his body between himself and the ball"
"He's a bit like a puppeteer because he's playing on us all like fiddles"
"Sunderland,making a rare soiree into Wolves territory"
"The Watford fans have thrown grafitti onto the pitch"
"The pitch is as flat as a dodo"
"He's got so much potential and most of it has still to be realised"
All gleaned from British tv and radio but I suppose that all over the world sportsmen and sport commentators are equally brain dead.

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by dafydd

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LOL dafydd, thanks for those! They put a grin behind this Chesire puddy cheese's whiskers....

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Will Harmon

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When a hockey commentator returned from a National Hockey League tour of the Soviet Union in the mid-80s, he said remarked that "everything, even the street signs, was written in acrylic."

"He's a smart player." "What do you mean when you say a hockey player is smart?" "I mean he has soft hands."

Regarding the rules for some sort of giveaway, "Employees of the New York Islanders and their families are illegible."

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by GaryAMartin

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The prosecution rests.

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by dafydd

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Everyone but those Irish begrudgers is rooting for the Rockies. Mike Coolbaugh is remembered, even in Norn Ireland.

And the Rockies will win. As everyone knows, including Boston, 13 is an unlucky number.

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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I am not irish and I beg to differ that "everyone " is rooting,whatever that means.Some of us have grown up and are not fascinated by the the fact that one guy can kick a ball or hit the same with a stick better than another guy.

# Posted on October 26th 2007 by dafydd

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"Grown up". Do grow up and stop being childish.

And given the state of sport in Wales, I am not surprised that you are not interested.

"Rooting" means supporting, as if you didn't know. At your age you should be ashamed of yourself.

# Posted on October 27th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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I have never been interested in sport in Wales or anywhere else.That approach won't work with me.Rooting means something else in Australia.

# Posted on October 27th 2007 by dafydd

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Now now Bliss, play nice!

I think you would get on well with Dafydd!

Look at one of the tunes he composed,

http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/2841

:-)

# Posted on October 28th 2007 by jfiddlerh

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Red Sox have just gone 6-0 in the third in game three.

# Posted on October 28th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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Now now Bliss, play nice!

I think you would get on well with Dafydd!

Look at one of the tunes he composed,

http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/2841

:-)

# Posted on October 28th 2007 by jfiddlerh

You know me. I followed the link and came across a jig called "Bdorian" and assumed he had mis-spelt bodhran. Took another 30 seconds to realise I was wrong.

# Posted on October 28th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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Another howler on the radio broadcast of the Sox/Rox game tonight, while discussing why curve balls curve less at high altitude:
"It's all mathematics. Like the square root of whatever is equal to whatever and all that."

# Posted on October 29th 2007 by GaryAMartin

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He got quite close,for a sports commentator.

# Posted on October 29th 2007 by dafydd

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Cambridge University, nicknamed Campbell's (Rich and Thick) has produced a high number of sports commentators. Therein lies the fault.

And the Red Sox won? I hate those Irish ..............

# Posted on October 29th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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Yep, the Sox won :) ...but Papelbon's saving his dance for the 'rolling rally,' which will be conveniently held at 11 am sharp on Tuesday, so us kids will either cut class to see it or sit in misery in school. Sigh.

# Posted on October 30th 2007 by mellow yellow

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