Proof that they "took the tune and put some fine sea shanty words to it" - which was what you stated. Pretty bold statement from someone who by their own admission has never even heard the tune. Uninformed speculation we can do without. You're the man who has challenged several people in the last week to "put up or shut up". I'm asking you to do the same.
Ahem... thanks for those answers... I tabbed the tune some weeks ago on Guitarpro.
But now with those answer what should I understand?
- HB is definitely not an Irish Tune?
- HB is a sea shanty with maybe Irish origins?
- HB is clearly an old irish tune stolen, with new lyrics added to make it a sea shanty?
Sorry my english is sometime a little funky as it's not my main laguage!
I grew up with a whole load of English folk songs, and this one has always seemed quintessentially English to me. It doesn't sound remotely Irish.
In an idle moment, I've trawled the web, and there are, as it appears, hundreds of sites which give information about this ballad, both words and tune. All say the same - it probably dates from the early 1600's, and the air might be just a bit before that.
I would say, from instinct, and what appears to be written everywhere about this song, that the thing is English, with about as little doubt as to that as you can get.
HB to some is not a true shanty but a forcastle ballad. But then again I've heard it called a call & respeonse shanty. Confusing heh?
As far as Greensleves is concerned it's a jig not a reel. In fact started it's life as a Morris Dance tune. It was Henry VIII who slowed it down to an air. As it being originally Irish I couldn't say.
High Barbaree...
High Barbaree...
Hello,
I was just wandering if High Barbaree could be considered as an Irish tune or not.
Any Idea?
Cheers
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by Hellmasterdeadman
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probably not, it's usually classed as a sea shanty.
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by Freddy Frog
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Not
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by Kenny
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This is a English sea shanty about two Men o War, The prince of Luther and the Prince of Wales.
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by Buck
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Defiantely an English sea shanty. I mean look at the first line:
"There were two lofty ship from old *England* came"
The Englsih are the good guys in it! (not to the pirates though)
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by Pirate-Fiddler
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Proof ?
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by Kenny
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The tune can be heard here.
http://www.yarmcentral.ednet.ns.ca/sailing_ships/shanties/high_barbaree.htm
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by dafydd
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dafydd
My band sings this to a different tune. Unfortunately I only have that tune in notation. There are also versions writtten for :
the Nepoleanic Wars http://www.napoleonguide.com/music_barbaryuk.htm
and
the American Barbaree Wars
http://mysongbook.de/msb/songs/r_clarke/highbarb.htm.
I know it's at least 17th century.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by Pirate-Fiddler
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It's probably the tune that the late Pete Bellamy used to sing.
M:4/4 K:D L:1/8
d>e|f>f f>e d2 A2|
B>d d>B A3 A|
A2 d2 f3 A|
A2 f2 e2 d>e|
f>f f>e d2 A2|
B>d d>B A2 F>G|
A>A A>B d2A2|
B2d2 e3||
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by dafydd
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Surely, the one he sang was 'High Baaa-bary'
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by ethical blend
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Does British include Welsh? Or are they free from stain in this regard?
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by ethical blend
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Proof that they "took the tune and put some fine sea shanty words to it" - which was what you stated. Pretty bold statement from someone who by their own admission has never even heard the tune. Uninformed speculation we can do without. You're the man who has challenged several people in the last week to "put up or shut up". I'm asking you to do the same.
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by Kenny
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The Welsh are the British,a.k.a. Brythons.Cymru Am Byth!
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by dafydd
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Fair enough, Dafydd, and I'm with you all the way. I was getting at something else ...
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by ethical blend
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'This archipelago' - eh?
Which archipelago do you mean exactly - Japan, Indonesia, New Zealand, or what?
The land masses of Britain, Ireland and all the numerous other islands in the surrounding seas do not form an archipelago.
Please do try to keep your logorrhea in check!
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by MacCruiskeen
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Ahem... thanks for those answers... I tabbed the tune some weeks ago on Guitarpro.
But now with those answer what should I understand?
- HB is definitely not an Irish Tune?
- HB is a sea shanty with maybe Irish origins?
- HB is clearly an old irish tune stolen, with new lyrics added to make it a sea shanty?
Sorry my english is sometime a little funky as it's not my main laguage!
Cheers
# Posted on August 26th 2007 by Hellmasterdeadman
Re: High Barbaree...
I grew up with a whole load of English folk songs, and this one has always seemed quintessentially English to me. It doesn't sound remotely Irish.
In an idle moment, I've trawled the web, and there are, as it appears, hundreds of sites which give information about this ballad, both words and tune. All say the same - it probably dates from the early 1600's, and the air might be just a bit before that.
Try these two sites for starters:
http://www.contemplator.com/england/barbary.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/HIGH.htm
I would say, from instinct, and what appears to be written everywhere about this song, that the thing is English, with about as little doubt as to that as you can get.
# Posted on August 26th 2007 by ethical blend
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Uh, yes ... except that it *is* English.
Funny that, 'cos it sounds English as well.
Now, anyone going to ask whether Greensleeves (the air - oh, alright, the reel as well, take your pick) is Irish?
# Posted on August 27th 2007 by ethical blend
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HB to some is not a true shanty but a forcastle ballad. But then again I've heard it called a call & respeonse shanty. Confusing heh?
As far as Greensleves is concerned it's a jig not a reel. In fact started it's life as a Morris Dance tune. It was Henry VIII who slowed it down to an air. As it being originally Irish I couldn't say.
# Posted on August 27th 2007 by Pirate-Fiddler
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I'm pretty sure it's English.
# Posted on November 28th 2010 by elewis154