I'm just quoting from the sleeve notes of Farewell To Ireland, a 4-CD set compiled by Ron Kavana, (Email:@proper-records.co.uk)that the earliest known authentic recording of Irish music... was...by piper James McAuliffe... in 1899. Check this:
Yeah - I know it's next to nothing - but it gives bunyip some handle to start trawling the internet with.
Maybe you too could do that to help out, instead of wasting your time being sarcastic, mark? I'm sure someone of such sharp, collossal intellect as yourself could do much better than me.
Go for it!
Danny
Fintan Vallely's Companion to Irish Traditional Music has a lengthy entry on the "reproduction of music," (now, now lads, git yer minds out from between the sheets . It says that the Irish Folklore Commission used early Ediphone cylinder recorders to record music, song, and folklore for later transcription. Collectors apparently often scraped the cylinders clean to re-record on them--much like recording over a tape or mini disc after you've learned the tunes.
The entry goes on to say that piper Patsy Touhey (1865-1923) recorded and sold his own cylinders--he boasted a catalog of 150 tunes available on cylinder for $1 each. This was around the start of the 1900s. A 1986 book recounts Touhey's life: "The Piping of Patsy Touhey" by Pat Mitchel and Jackie Small (published by Na Piobairi Uilleann) and includes transcriptions of 58 of Touhey's tunes. Six of Touhey's cylinders survive at the Department of Music at University College, Cork. Two of Touhey's tracks are on the recording, Wheels of the World, and an album of "revamped" 78s under the title, The Piping of Patsy Touhey.
Vinyl records took off in the 1920s, and trad Irish musicians were recorded in USA and on English labels. The most famous of these (at least on this side of the pond--USA) are of fiddlers Michael Coleman, Paddy Killoran, and James Morrison.
Currently I'm begging RTE to release for sale compilations of the best of what they have in their archives - radio and TV. So far no one is taking me on. One RTE video, Come West Along the Road, has been released. And, with the BBC, some others are planned. RTE and the BBC sit on the motherload of unreleased Irish traditional and folk music material - including live video.
Do your bit and write ann.coughlan@rte.ie requesting information about, or ask for copies of, recordings of Irish traditional and folk music in their archives. Pressure of numbers will draw this fantastic resource out otherwise it will decompose on the floor of some forgotten cellar. Please drop me an email if you'd like to add your weight to this...mission? I'll reply with a copy of my email to RTE. Maybe you can improve on it.
Bunyips are mythalogical creatures that live in billabongs looking a bit like greenwiggles with
warts. What are they doing in Wales? (not NSW) who taught them to write music? does this mean
the fiddle is the love child of a didgeredoo and a bullroarer? and ITN should it be AusTM
Food for musicologists me thinks. (This info was gleaned from our discusees history)
I have a CD of remastered vinyl recordings by fiddlers Paddy Killoran and James Morrison called "From Ballymote to Brooklyn", which might be a good sampler for you. The tunes would have been recorded in the '20's and '30's.
I posted it in the "Recordings" section a while back.
Back in 1975 I spent a couple of happy hours in the basement of the Library of Congress, Washington D.C., listening to their field recordings - a service open to anyone and free of charge. Surely they 've got some Irish recordings too. Check it out.
Umm... I guess that yes, it is kind of easy to imply sarcasm when genuine interest is actually meant... Having a tone of voice and body language helps to determine sarcasm from non-sarcasm, but that was not sarcastic.
Sorry!
Mark: My turn to apologise - paranoia setting in. At the time I thought it wasn't too remarkable a link but it was the best the search engine came up with, and it would give bunyip something to run with.
You're right about the body language and tone of voice stuff.
OK - glad that's sorted. Moving on.....
Perhaps not THE earliest recordings, but there's another interesting double-CD compilation put together by Ron Kavanagh, 'An Anthology of irish Music', which has a variety of recordings dating probably from the 20s to the 50s (not much information is given regarding individual tracks). The music ranges form music hall and popular songs to ceilidh bands, solo and small group instrumentals, and as well as the better known players such as Coleman and Killoran, includes tunes from people such as Neil O'Boyle, Hugh Gillespie and others whose names elude me.
old recordings
old recordings
does anybody know what the oldest recordings of traditional music are and where to get hold of them?
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by bunyip
Re: old recordings
I'm just quoting from the sleeve notes of Farewell To Ireland, a 4-CD set compiled by Ron Kavana, (Email:@proper-records.co.uk)that the earliest known authentic recording of Irish music... was...by piper James McAuliffe... in 1899. Check this:
http://www.tinfoil.com/mcauliffe.htm
Danny
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by Alf Tupper
Re: old recordings
Wow! That was really interesting!
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by no longer exists
Re: old recordings
Yeah - I know it's next to nothing - but it gives bunyip some handle to start trawling the internet with.
Maybe you too could do that to help out, instead of wasting your time being sarcastic, mark? I'm sure someone of such sharp, collossal intellect as yourself could do much better than me.
Go for it!
Danny
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by Alf Tupper
Re: old recordings
Bunyip, you can hear some relatively early recordings at http://www.irishfiddle.com/welcome.html. Click on the "legendary fiddlers" link for sound samples.
Fintan Vallely's Companion to Irish Traditional Music has a lengthy entry on the "reproduction of music," (now, now lads, git yer minds out from between the sheets
. It says that the Irish Folklore Commission used early Ediphone cylinder recorders to record music, song, and folklore for later transcription. Collectors apparently often scraped the cylinders clean to re-record on them--much like recording over a tape or mini disc after you've learned the tunes.
The entry goes on to say that piper Patsy Touhey (1865-1923) recorded and sold his own cylinders--he boasted a catalog of 150 tunes available on cylinder for $1 each. This was around the start of the 1900s. A 1986 book recounts Touhey's life: "The Piping of Patsy Touhey" by Pat Mitchel and Jackie Small (published by Na Piobairi Uilleann) and includes transcriptions of 58 of Touhey's tunes. Six of Touhey's cylinders survive at the Department of Music at University College, Cork. Two of Touhey's tracks are on the recording, Wheels of the World, and an album of "revamped" 78s under the title, The Piping of Patsy Touhey.
Vinyl records took off in the 1920s, and trad Irish musicians were recorded in USA and on English labels. The most famous of these (at least on this side of the pond--USA) are of fiddlers Michael Coleman, Paddy Killoran, and James Morrison.
Good luck in your search.
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by Will CPT
Re: old recordings
Currently I'm begging RTE to release for sale compilations of the best of what they have in their archives - radio and TV. So far no one is taking me on. One RTE video, Come West Along the Road, has been released. And, with the BBC, some others are planned. RTE and the BBC sit on the motherload of unreleased Irish traditional and folk music material - including live video.
Do your bit and write ann.coughlan@rte.ie requesting information about, or ask for copies of, recordings of Irish traditional and folk music in their archives. Pressure of numbers will draw this fantastic resource out otherwise it will decompose on the floor of some forgotten cellar. Please drop me an email if you'd like to add your weight to this...mission? I'll reply with a copy of my email to RTE. Maybe you can improve on it.
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by DerryMan
I've just read Will Harmon's posting in detail (having skimmed it earlier). Maybe I'm thinking a bit modern for you guys - 50's up.
What I've said earlier is still valid. But anyway, how's it really goin' fer ye across the big pond Will?
fond regards,
Michael
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by DerryMan
McAuliffe
What's that, a Gattling gun?
That was great.
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by glauber
Re: old recordings
Bunyips are mythalogical creatures that live in billabongs looking a bit like greenwiggles with
warts. What are they doing in Wales? (not NSW) who taught them to write music? does this mean
the fiddle is the love child of a didgeredoo and a bullroarer? and ITN should it be AusTM
Food for musicologists me thinks. (This info was gleaned from our discusees history)
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by Bryan
Re: old recordings
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# Posted on March 6th 2003 by bunyip
im glad u've cleared that up for me!!!!
its my nickname because my surname is beynon, i've always wondered where it comes from.
now i can fiddle in peace
mind you, i did have a partner once who was australian, he was absolutely barking mad...
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by bunyip
Re: old recordings
I have a CD of remastered vinyl recordings by fiddlers Paddy Killoran and James Morrison called "From Ballymote to Brooklyn", which might be a good sampler for you. The tunes would have been recorded in the '20's and '30's.
I posted it in the "Recordings" section a while back.
RG
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by RG
Re: old recordings
Back in 1975 I spent a couple of happy hours in the basement of the Library of Congress, Washington D.C., listening to their field recordings - a service open to anyone and free of charge. Surely they 've got some Irish recordings too. Check it out.
# Posted on March 6th 2003 by kuec
Re: old recordings
Umm... I guess that yes, it is kind of easy to imply sarcasm when genuine interest is actually meant... Having a tone of voice and body language helps to determine sarcasm from non-sarcasm, but that was not sarcastic.
Sorry!
# Posted on March 7th 2003 by no longer exists
Re: old recordings
Mark: My turn to apologise - paranoia setting in. At the time I thought it wasn't too remarkable a link but it was the best the search engine came up with, and it would give bunyip something to run with.
You're right about the body language and tone of voice stuff.
OK - glad that's sorted. Moving on.....
# Posted on March 7th 2003 by Alf Tupper
Re: old recordings
Perhaps not THE earliest recordings, but there's another interesting double-CD compilation put together by Ron Kavanagh, 'An Anthology of irish Music', which has a variety of recordings dating probably from the 20s to the 50s (not much information is given regarding individual tracks). The music ranges form music hall and popular songs to ceilidh bands, solo and small group instrumentals, and as well as the better known players such as Coleman and Killoran, includes tunes from people such as Neil O'Boyle, Hugh Gillespie and others whose names elude me.
# Posted on March 10th 2003 by ragaman