I like to go down the pub with my mates. We sit and have a conversation. A good old blether
And you often meet other people and have great conversations with them too. Sometimes you meet people and have a wee bit of a polite conversation, find out you don't have much in common and leave it at that.
If someone is eavesdropping on these conversations then fair play, it's a public place, I don't care. (Though it's irritating when they acknowledge that they are eavesdropping.)
There are others though who treat it more like being at work. A department meeting, say, where there is a set agenda. Each member has check list to get through. The chair of the meeting is sometimes overbearing and dictatorial, sometimes ineffectual. Everyone is trying to impress. The boss needs to prove why he's the boss, the underlings need to make an impression if they are to move up the promotion scale. A lot of this is often concealed behind good natured banter, but it constantly fizzes away. You have to stay alert, take leads, be assertive when you know what you are on about, be agreeable and/or conciliatory when you don't. If you pretend you know what you are on about, make sure you don't get caught. Maybe there is a guest from another company. Treat them with respect but don't let them get away without knowing their place. Do they have a hidden agenda? etc etc etc.
I thought it was a remarkably clever and accurate metaphor as to how a session can sometimes get wrapped up in all the wrong things. And to be really honest - I used to allow myself to get foolishly involved in some of the the same petty examples to which Llig alludes. Thank you sir, for reminding all of us to get over ourselves and just play!
It's funny, because I was the one who "inherited" one session, then started the second because I liked it so much, but it's often my SO who is the one encouraging shy people, calling on someone who hasn't lead a tune for a bit, etc., while I sit in benign authority, overseeing only as a participant. So where's the agenda ?
Anyway, I/we shall be in Cornwall next week, after the Dartmoor FF, and I notice that nearly all the sessions are listed as friendly. I wouldn't expect anything else over the Tamar, not like us hard-faced Metropolitans.....
If you are talking about sessions there's too much music for talking. I hardly breathe a word of conversation to anyone. Don't play much music either since I'm such a beginner. I'm starting to think maybe I should just drink coffee instead.
Llig is just trying to continue the "Performance" thread.
My idea would be to do what I like without getting so hung up about it all. Be yourself. *Most* people like most other people. No need for such a polarization between "your mates" and the work situation in which you seem to feel so uncomfortable.
if you don't want people to eavesdrop on your "conversation", don't have 20 people sitting in a circle all saying the same thing at the same time...thats not a conversation, thats a per..per..no i cant bring myself to say it....
I'm sure the "performance anxiety" joke has already been made...
Playing informal music in a pub may have been the norm once upon a time, in a land far, far away, but in today’s world of wide screen TV and mp3 jukeboxes, it’s a bit unusual. It’s like the goth kid who tattoos flames on his face, waxes a two foot high henna-red mohawk and puts a carriage bolt through his septum, and glares if you turn your head as if to say, what are you looking at? Tell us again that you hate the attention. It's nearly funny.
Really, the only reason I play any music at sessions is because I'm interminably lazy.
I couldn't be arsed working hard to get a proper well-paid job to afford to buy all the CD's I want. So I just do a bit of DIY music, and play it myself, with other players at sessions. Saves me a fortune and saves me working hard.
Well, 20 people sitting in a circle all saying the same thing is definatly not a conversation. Not sure it's an office meeting either, more like a bloody prayer meeting.
And fidkid, don't know where you kick about, but round here, playing informal music in the pub is very much the norm
hmm, llig, that opens a whole new area.. playing tunes in a session isn't performance, it's not craic, it's not an expression of community..it's a form of prayer??
maybe my metaphor was too obscue. maybe i should have said '20 people sitting in a circle all saying the same thing (saying the 1st half of each sentence twice followed by the 2nd half twice, then repeating the sentence 3 or 4 times before moving onto the next sentence when one guy nods his head)'...
But music as PRAYER.. hmm anyone want to run with that one for a bit?
as for fidkid, i wish i could say u were wrong about the widescreen tv thing, but..
here in Prague for the last 3 weeks I've been playing 4 nights a week in a new big Irish bar (the Shamrock Tuesday-Thursday, if anyone is over come and say hi.). It's a 4 hr gig. Directly above and in front of me is a HUGE flat screen that is on constantly with the sound down. It's a new pub and so far they only have 1 DVD, which is Michael Flatley's Lord of the Dance, which is about 1 hr long and is on a loop.So when it ends, it automatically starts again at the beginning. I've played here about 12 nights, about 4hrs a night, with this screen in my direct line of vision. Do the maths. Then we can continue the religious theme with a discussion on the definition of purgatory....
I know you'se all think I'm paranoid but....
I played in a god awfull Oirish bar in Playa -del -Finglas in the Canaries for 2 months, 7 nights a week, 4 hours a night. I never saw daylight for 8 weeks, lost 3 stone weight, became anaemic and to this day I still can't drink Corona. It is the Buncrana of the Canary Islands.
If yer "session" is 5, 10 or 20 people sitting around all saying the same sentence 3 times then moving on to the next sentence when some guy nods his head... Yeah, that sound like a prayer meeting. Some people may enjoy it, but I'm not sure why. Certainly doesn't seem like any form of music I'm interested in.
I understand that for many, a pub is a community meeting place and I envy all who have a pub culture that doesn’t consist solely of happy hour, football, jello shots and pool tables. The “nearly funny” was a bit smartassish, sorry. I get tired of all the preening and thought I’d ruffle some feathers. I respect Mr. Gill’s views and have actually learned a lot from him, but gawd this debate just seems to absorb more space than it deserves. I love playing the tunes, period. With old friends, with strangers, or all alone. If someone views it as sort-of-a-performance, I really don't care. I prefer kitchen sessions – it removes the performance notion from the equation, the acoustics are better and the chairs are more comfortable. Still, I think all those lads in 50s London met in a pub at least partly because they also found an appreciative audience of fellow ex-pats.
Dear Mr/Mrs/Ms Tirno,
Thankyou for your recent response. I am sorry to hear you were confused by my previous correspondance. I would like to take this opportunity to clarify my statements.
In my "metaphor" the word "sentence" substitutes for "tune". We repeat the A section, then the B section. We play the tune (or "say the sentence") 3 or 4 times, then at a signal from one player, we move onto the next tune. Everyone plays the same tune at the same time.
Essentially I substituted the concept of 'speech' for the concept of 'music', with comedic intent. This was not made clear in my initial communication, and for this lapse I offer my apologies.
I hope this helps. If there is anything you are still unsure of please feel free to let me know and I will be more than happy to try to explain it for you.
Kind Regards
hakanozel
asst. dir "Bangs Head Against Wall Enterprises Ltd"
i guess it all really depends on the quality of the sentence doesn't it? Some of the sentences in ITM are so perfect that people are happy to say them 1000's of times in a lifetime without ever tiring of them. In a different genre like jazz, the aim is to try and say a completely new sentence every time you open your mouth.all good fun
They could have met in the back room of a shop, in a hall or in a park but they chose the public house. Seems they liked good times and sharing the music with others.
More to it than that though. Has it crossed anyone's mind yet that kitchen or no kitchen, the Irish guys in London in the 50's might just have happened to like going to pubs? Even today, in Ireland (well, it certainly was the case the last time I was there 5 years ago) the pub is a much more frequented institution than in UK, a centre of community life in villages and towns, not necessarily to get blotto drunk, just to hang out. So they took that with them to London....the habit of going to the pub, that is. My view.
No big screen tv, sports or hooters girls at our session. Just coffee, micro-brew beer and really strange art. So yeah, maybe it's more like church than hooters.
"What they did in the 50's is completely irrelevant."
Pure keech.
That might be the case in the frozen wastes of eskimoland, but here in the centre of the universe we very much inherit the customs of that generation and it wasn't until just a few years ago we actually played regularly with a fair few of those boys. And some are still around.
There are very few pubs in the known universe, or even Edinburgh, that are like Sandy Bells, which I'm guessing is where Llig goes to not perform.
It is a pub that is known far and wide first and foremost as a session/"folk music" venue and has been for many years. I went there in the 70s and it was long known for that then.
If you like pubs but *don't* like sessions or trad you might have to tolerate them once a week in your local, but you wouldn't even go near Sandy Bells in the evenings because you would not be able to avoid the sound of musicians not performing unless you ran in to use the toilet while they were all out for a fag or perhaps taking a break and not not performing for a few minutes.
In the rest of the universe, the clash between people who don't *really* like pubs but *really* like sessions and know somehow that they are supposed to be played in a pub vs people who don't *really* like the music or are ambivalent at best, but who *really* like going to the pub, continues, with many casualties.
Some compromise is necessary if these arrangements are to survive for long.
What they did in the 50's is irrelevant TO THIS DISCUSSION.
Unless a session truly is a religious ceremony, in wich case we should look up the appropriate vatican council edicts before we dare decide what we would like to do today.
Everyone sitting round saying the same sentence three times etc. and then changing the subject when one nods off sounds like the local old folks home to me. Are you sure you lot are going to the right place?
I've been reading this thread on this Irish session website and I think I might be the only person who doesn't understand what the people are talking about. It's something like "I like to talk with my mates in a pub but not have an office meeting there". I don't get it. Maybe there is a metaphor I'm missing or something?
I studied that YouTube video and realised I was probably in the pub that night. The video is cleverly edited to leave out the bit where they all stood up, turned to the rest of the bar and bowed, to great applause, after finishing that tune... er, what was it called again...?
What they did in the 50's is irrelevant TO THIS DISCUSSION.
Grego, old mate, NOPE. This discussion is about sessions, but pretending not to be. The fact that some sessions in London and elsewhere may still adhere to certain codes of conduct started in the 50s MAKES what happened in the 50s relevant to this discussion. Cheers!
I remember asking a very good fiddle player in the fifties why he didn't frequent a session in a well known Camden Town pub. He told me 'The fags and the fights' and on reflection there were many good (non smoking-non-drinking) musicians over the years who tried to avoid pub sessions for just those reasons. Thankfully it doesn't apply nowadays.
Key, "some sessions in London and elsewhere may still adhere to certain codes of conduct started in the 50s" certainly makes what happened in the 50s very interesting from a historical viewpoint.
But I contend it shouldn't influence the outcome of a discussion as to what ought to happen in sessions now.
Bren, come on, "codes of conduct" just means general old fashioned good mannered so-called session etiquette. Letting everyone get a chance to lead tunes, not hijacking someone else's set, and of course no shaky eggs.
llig you made a comment on another thread about trad sessions suiting a certain type of person as soon as you realise that there are alot of different types of people in this world then you will be able to enjoy its beauty.llig think about all the great musician that you disagree with everyone is different thats the beauty of it.....................
what do you like?
what do you like?
I like to go down the pub with my mates. We sit and have a conversation. A good old blether
And you often meet other people and have great conversations with them too. Sometimes you meet people and have a wee bit of a polite conversation, find out you don't have much in common and leave it at that.
If someone is eavesdropping on these conversations then fair play, it's a public place, I don't care. (Though it's irritating when they acknowledge that they are eavesdropping.)
There are others though who treat it more like being at work. A department meeting, say, where there is a set agenda. Each member has check list to get through. The chair of the meeting is sometimes overbearing and dictatorial, sometimes ineffectual. Everyone is trying to impress. The boss needs to prove why he's the boss, the underlings need to make an impression if they are to move up the promotion scale. A lot of this is often concealed behind good natured banter, but it constantly fizzes away. You have to stay alert, take leads, be assertive when you know what you are on about, be agreeable and/or conciliatory when you don't. If you pretend you know what you are on about, make sure you don't get caught. Maybe there is a guest from another company. Treat them with respect but don't let them get away without knowing their place. Do they have a hidden agenda? etc etc etc.
# Posted on August 9th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: what do you like?
I like playing tunes.
# Posted on August 9th 2007 by Joe CSS
Re: what do you like?
I agree with Joe; surely life can't be that complex!
# Posted on August 9th 2007 by Bannerman
Re: what do you like?
Aye, that tune thing sound like a good idea.
# Posted on August 9th 2007 by peterlenz
Re: what do you like?
too deep for me.
# Posted on August 9th 2007 by zippydw
Re: what do you like?
Perhaps Michael is being allegorical.
# Posted on August 9th 2007 by Steve Shaw
Re: what do you like?
I thought it was a remarkably clever and accurate metaphor as to how a session can sometimes get wrapped up in all the wrong things. And to be really honest - I used to allow myself to get foolishly involved in some of the the same petty examples to which Llig alludes. Thank you sir, for reminding all of us to get over ourselves and just play!
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
Re: what do you like?
Sounds like the sort of situation where to say, "Sorry, I must go outside for a smoke", is the essence of brilliance.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by nicholas
Re: what do you like?
I don't know what it is, people just look to me for leadership.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by bodhran bliss
Re: what do you like?
It's funny, because I was the one who "inherited" one session, then started the second because I liked it so much, but it's often my SO who is the one encouraging shy people, calling on someone who hasn't lead a tune for a bit, etc., while I sit in benign authority, overseeing only as a participant. So where's the agenda ?
Anyway, I/we shall be in Cornwall next week, after the Dartmoor FF, and I notice that nearly all the sessions are listed as friendly. I wouldn't expect anything else over the Tamar, not like us hard-faced Metropolitans.....
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Guernsey Pete
Re: what do you like?
If you are talking about sessions there's too much music for talking. I hardly breathe a word of conversation to anyone. Don't play much music either since I'm such a beginner. I'm starting to think maybe I should just drink coffee instead.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by sbhikes
Re: what do you like?
Llig is just trying to continue the "Performance" thread.
My idea would be to do what I like without getting so hung up about it all. Be yourself. *Most* people like most other people. No need for such a polarization between "your mates" and the work situation in which you seem to feel so uncomfortable.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Lingpupa
Re: what do you like?
I don't have any mates.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jethro Tull
Re: what do you like?
I knew I could count on you for an encore performance!
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Tonya
Re: what do you like?
if you don't want people to eavesdrop on your "conversation", don't have 20 people sitting in a circle all saying the same thing at the same time...thats not a conversation, thats a per..per..no i cant bring myself to say it....
I'm sure the "performance anxiety" joke has already been made...
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by hakanozel
Re: what do you like?
Playing informal music in a pub may have been the norm once upon a time, in a land far, far away, but in today’s world of wide screen TV and mp3 jukeboxes, it’s a bit unusual. It’s like the goth kid who tattoos flames on his face, waxes a two foot high henna-red mohawk and puts a carriage bolt through his septum, and glares if you turn your head as if to say, what are you looking at? Tell us again that you hate the attention. It's nearly funny.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by fidkid
Re: what do you like?
fidkid - that was hilarious - and spot on
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
Re: what do you like?
Really, the only reason I play any music at sessions is because I'm interminably lazy.
I couldn't be arsed working hard to get a proper well-paid job to afford to buy all the CD's I want. So I just do a bit of DIY music, and play it myself, with other players at sessions. Saves me a fortune and saves me working hard.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jethro Tull
Re: what do you like?
Well, 20 people sitting in a circle all saying the same thing is definatly not a conversation. Not sure it's an office meeting either, more like a bloody prayer meeting.
And fidkid, don't know where you kick about, but round here, playing informal music in the pub is very much the norm
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: what do you like?
hmm, llig, that opens a whole new area.. playing tunes in a session isn't performance, it's not craic, it's not an expression of community..it's a form of prayer??
maybe my metaphor was too obscue. maybe i should have said '20 people sitting in a circle all saying the same thing (saying the 1st half of each sentence twice followed by the 2nd half twice, then repeating the sentence 3 or 4 times before moving onto the next sentence when one guy nods his head)'...
But music as PRAYER.. hmm anyone want to run with that one for a bit?
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by hakanozel
Re: what do you like?
as for fidkid, i wish i could say u were wrong about the widescreen tv thing, but..
here in Prague for the last 3 weeks I've been playing 4 nights a week in a new big Irish bar (the Shamrock Tuesday-Thursday, if anyone is over come and say hi.). It's a 4 hr gig. Directly above and in front of me is a HUGE flat screen that is on constantly with the sound down. It's a new pub and so far they only have 1 DVD, which is Michael Flatley's Lord of the Dance, which is about 1 hr long and is on a loop.So when it ends, it automatically starts again at the beginning. I've played here about 12 nights, about 4hrs a night, with this screen in my direct line of vision. Do the maths. Then we can continue the religious theme with a discussion on the definition of purgatory....
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by hakanozel
Re: what do you like?
I know you'se all think I'm paranoid but....
I played in a god awfull Oirish bar in Playa -del -Finglas in the Canaries for 2 months, 7 nights a week, 4 hours a night. I never saw daylight for 8 weeks, lost 3 stone weight, became anaemic and to this day I still can't drink Corona. It is the Buncrana of the Canary Islands.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by iwerzon
Re: what do you like?
a 4 hour gig? purgatory? Nah ...
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by pavlf
Re: what do you like?
If yer "session" is 5, 10 or 20 people sitting around all saying the same sentence 3 times then moving on to the next sentence when some guy nods his head... Yeah, that sound like a prayer meeting. Some people may enjoy it, but I'm not sure why. Certainly doesn't seem like any form of music I'm interested in.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Tirno
Re: what do you like?
I understand that for many, a pub is a community meeting place and I envy all who have a pub culture that doesn’t consist solely of happy hour, football, jello shots and pool tables. The “nearly funny” was a bit smartassish, sorry. I get tired of all the preening and thought I’d ruffle some feathers. I respect Mr. Gill’s views and have actually learned a lot from him, but gawd this debate just seems to absorb more space than it deserves. I love playing the tunes, period. With old friends, with strangers, or all alone. If someone views it as sort-of-a-performance, I really don't care. I prefer kitchen sessions – it removes the performance notion from the equation, the acoustics are better and the chairs are more comfortable. Still, I think all those lads in 50s London met in a pub at least partly because they also found an appreciative audience of fellow ex-pats.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by fidkid
Re: what do you like?
Dear Mr/Mrs/Ms Tirno,
Thankyou for your recent response. I am sorry to hear you were confused by my previous correspondance. I would like to take this opportunity to clarify my statements.
In my "metaphor" the word "sentence" substitutes for "tune". We repeat the A section, then the B section. We play the tune (or "say the sentence") 3 or 4 times, then at a signal from one player, we move onto the next tune. Everyone plays the same tune at the same time.
Essentially I substituted the concept of 'speech' for the concept of 'music', with comedic intent. This was not made clear in my initial communication, and for this lapse I offer my apologies.
I hope this helps. If there is anything you are still unsure of please feel free to let me know and I will be more than happy to try to explain it for you.
Kind Regards
hakanozel
asst. dir "Bangs Head Against Wall Enterprises Ltd"
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by hakanozel
Re: what do you like?
Dear hakanozel
understood metaphor STOP
both times actually STOP
seem to have misplaced funny bone STOP
my point still stands
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Tirno
Re: what do you like?
Actually, all those lads in 50s London didn't have kitchens. That's why they met in the pub
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: what do you like?
i guess it all really depends on the quality of the sentence doesn't it? Some of the sentences in ITM are so perfect that people are happy to say them 1000's of times in a lifetime without ever tiring of them. In a different genre like jazz, the aim is to try and say a completely new sentence every time you open your mouth.all good fun
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by hakanozel
Re: what do you like?
They could have met in the back room of a shop, in a hall or in a park but they chose the public house. Seems they liked good times and sharing the music with others.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by fidkid
Re: what do you like?
If you lived in lodgings (in London in the 50s) then you wouldn't have access to the kitchen.....hence the pub as a meeting place etc.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by minijackpot
Re: what do you like?
duh, catch up
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: what do you like?
More to it than that though. Has it crossed anyone's mind yet that kitchen or no kitchen, the Irish guys in London in the 50's might just have happened to like going to pubs? Even today, in Ireland (well, it certainly was the case the last time I was there 5 years ago) the pub is a much more frequented institution than in UK, a centre of community life in villages and towns, not necessarily to get blotto drunk, just to hang out. So they took that with them to London....the habit of going to the pub, that is. My view.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jethro Tull
Re: what do you like?
What they did in the 50's is completely irrelevant.
It's like those people who go on about "that's not what the founding fathes had in mind when they wrote the constitution..."
aaargh!
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by grego
Re: what do you like?
When "regular folk" go to the pub for a nice chat, they
(a) Refrain from swearing loudly, engaging in fist fights, etc., so as not to upset the other patrons.
(b) Try not to say stupid or offensive things, and try to express themselves reasonably clearly, partly so others won't think them mentally defective.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by grego
Re: what do you like?
No big screen tv, sports or hooters girls at our session. Just coffee, micro-brew beer and really strange art. So yeah, maybe it's more like church than hooters.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by sbhikes
Re: what do you like?
"What they did in the 50's is completely irrelevant."
Pure keech.
That might be the case in the frozen wastes of eskimoland, but here in the centre of the universe we very much inherit the customs of that generation and it wasn't until just a few years ago we actually played regularly with a fair few of those boys. And some are still around.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jethro Tull
Re: what do you like?
There are very few pubs in the known universe, or even Edinburgh, that are like Sandy Bells, which I'm guessing is where Llig goes to not perform.
It is a pub that is known far and wide first and foremost as a session/"folk music" venue and has been for many years. I went there in the 70s and it was long known for that then.
If you like pubs but *don't* like sessions or trad you might have to tolerate them once a week in your local, but you wouldn't even go near Sandy Bells in the evenings because you would not be able to avoid the sound of musicians not performing unless you ran in to use the toilet while they were all out for a fag or perhaps taking a break and not not performing for a few minutes.
In the rest of the universe, the clash between people who don't *really* like pubs but *really* like sessions and know somehow that they are supposed to be played in a pub vs people who don't *really* like the music or are ambivalent at best, but who *really* like going to the pub, continues, with many casualties.
Some compromise is necessary if these arrangements are to survive for long.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Bren
Re: what do you like?
All those folks being referring to in the original post sound like they are p********g...
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/14615/comments
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: what do you like?
Okay Key Maniac. Let's try it this way:
What they did in the 50's is irrelevant TO THIS DISCUSSION.
Unless a session truly is a religious ceremony, in wich case we should look up the appropriate vatican council edicts before we dare decide what we would like to do today.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by grego
Re: what do you like?
And that's "Innuitland", not Eskimoland.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by grego
Re: what do you like?
Everyone sitting round saying the same sentence three times etc. and then changing the subject when one nods off sounds like the local old folks home to me. Are you sure you lot are going to the right place?
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by bowburner
Re: what do you like?
Dear ITM Abby,
I've been reading this thread on this Irish session website and I think I might be the only person who doesn't understand what the people are talking about. It's something like "I like to talk with my mates in a pub but not have an office meeting there". I don't get it. Maybe there is a metaphor I'm missing or something?
Sincerely,
Clueless in NY
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by kennedy
Re: what do you like?
Nooooooooooooooooo!
Do not tell me, and especially Mr Llig, that people go to Bell's for the music?
That news could have a disastrous effect on the state of Llig's mind. I hope, for his sake, no-one actually listens.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by bodhran bliss
Re: what do you like?
I studied that YouTube video and realised I was probably in the pub that night. The video is cleverly edited to leave out the bit where they all stood up, turned to the rest of the bar and bowed, to great applause, after finishing that tune... er, what was it called again...?
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Bren
Re: what do you like?
What they did in the 50's is irrelevant TO THIS DISCUSSION.
Grego, old mate, NOPE. This discussion is about sessions, but pretending not to be. The fact that some sessions in London and elsewhere may still adhere to certain codes of conduct started in the 50s MAKES what happened in the 50s relevant to this discussion. Cheers!
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jethro Tull
Re: what do you like?
I bet the "codes of conduct " never came along until the folkies discovered the sessions sometime in the 60s
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Bren
Re: what do you like?
I remember asking a very good fiddle player in the fifties why he didn't frequent a session in a well known Camden Town pub. He told me 'The fags and the fights' and on reflection there were many good (non smoking-non-drinking) musicians over the years who tried to avoid pub sessions for just those reasons. Thankfully it doesn't apply nowadays.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Free Reed
Re: what do you like?
"The fegs and the fights".
Wouldn't want people to think that the Irish were homophobic.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by bodhran bliss
Re: what do you like?
Key, "some sessions in London and elsewhere may still adhere to certain codes of conduct started in the 50s" certainly makes what happened in the 50s very interesting from a historical viewpoint.
But I contend it shouldn't influence the outcome of a discussion as to what ought to happen in sessions now.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by grego
Re: what do you like?
Yeah, fair enough. But when did discussions on here ever have what you might call an outcome?
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jethro Tull
Re: what do you like?
Bren, come on, "codes of conduct" just means general old fashioned good mannered so-called session etiquette. Letting everyone get a chance to lead tunes, not hijacking someone else's set, and of course no shaky eggs.
# Posted on August 10th 2007 by Jethro Tull
Re: what do you like?
llig you made a comment on another thread about trad sessions suiting a certain type of person as soon as you realise that there are alot of different types of people in this world then you will be able to enjoy its beauty.llig think about all the great musician that you disagree with everyone is different thats the beauty of it.....................
# Posted on August 11th 2007 by Saint
Re: what do you like?
"Everything is beautiful...in its own way......."
Eddie, don't get all soppy on here. They won't let you survive another minute if you do.
# Posted on August 11th 2007 by Jethro Tull
Re: what do you like?
True Danny. I suppose the Mighty Craic discussion was one of the few.
# Posted on August 11th 2007 by grego
Re: what do you like?
I can't help it danny thats what 15 pints beamish does to me.......................
# Posted on August 11th 2007 by Saint
Re: what do you like?
Yeah I know that Danny, and it's not something anyone talked about, which they now do endlessly.
# Posted on August 11th 2007 by Bren
Re: what do you like?
"Yeah, fair enough. But when did discussions on here ever have what you might call an outcome?
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Posted on August 10th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
You seemed to have missed some good discussions.
# Posted on August 11th 2007 by Tonya