A short while ago we discussed the benefits of using computer software *slightly* more advanced than an ordinary word processor to keep track of your tunes and of the sets that you want to play them in. Using a word processor alone is not much different from just keeping your tune names on a scrap of paper; apart from the fact that it works much better, the principle is the same. Using something slightly more advanced (for me, that means Excel) means that you can also keep track of much more information: keys tune types, sources, history, where you learnt them, what sets you play them with here, what other sets you play them with somewhere else, discography - whatever you like. You can sort, resort, filter etc. on any and all of the fields you enter.
I think we saw that somebody who has already got a very large repertoire and many years of experience before coming to the idea of electronic help might wonder whether it was worth actually typing in the names of all the tunes they know (always assuming they actually know which tunes they know, if you see what I mean). But for most of us, and without question for beginners, it is clearly a very easy and helpful thing to make such a list as you go along.
But wouldn't it be handy if somebody would write some software that could effectively shuffle your tunes into sets, rather than merely keeping track of the sets that you choose? It would make a wonderful project for, perhaps, someone in their third year of computer science who happens to be interested in traditional music, or perhaps even a project for a doctorate. Formalising the factors that make for aesthetically pleasing sets would be a fascinating job. Clearly, it's a little example of AI (artificial intelligence), so would be a suitable project for somebody in that field. The knowledge base that would need to to be incorporated into the software would be fairly large. One part of it would, of course, involve the structure of the tunes concerned, but now that such a high proportion of traditional tunes are available in ABC the time required to collect the data is much smaller nowadays than it ever was in the past.
Formulating the rules that would need to be considered would obviously start at the beginning of the project, but would be an ongoing issue calling for expert input throughout (and beyond) the period during which the software "engine" was developed.
Any suggestions as to what those rules would involve?
I have excellent software already which I use for this and other purposes. It resides in my hippocampus and my superior temporal gyrus.
What you propose is mildly scary. It would take out all the "human" aspects of set creation. Yes, I know you are asking for a set of set-creation criteria which could then be pumped into a computer. And that would have to be designed by a human. And the finer resolution would be achieved by more and more discriminatory aspects of your criteria, if that makes sense. But still, you would lose all spontaneous creativity, which is the hallmark of a good set maker-up.
However, this could be fun. there are many rules which humans already almost intuitively follow.
Some of these are:
Fragments of tunes that sound the same/are the same, but maybe in a different key - the fragments, that is.
Fragments of tunes that "echo" the fragment the previous one - not quite the same as being the same.
Tunes in the same key.
Tunes in different keys - but maybe going up by a fifth or down by a fifth, then back up/down again in the next tune.
Tunes that are totally different but "fit" for reasons way beyond the power of my mere terrestial intellect to be able to explain.
Some people change the tempo going from a jig/hornpipe up to a reel, but the line of the melody is similar in both. Personally I think this CAN sound effective, but if they catch you, the Purist Police will take you to a cell and beat you to a pulp but the bruises won't show.
Sounds like a great idea sneezyboy. You could sit the laptops just next to your music stands at the session.
As for predictive software, anyone tried iTunes attempts to find music you would like (to buy, of course)?
I quote from a recent column in the Melbourne Age "You Bought Under Milk Wood As Read By Richard Burton, We Recommend Melissa Manchester's You Should Hear How She Talks About You!" http://blogs.theage.com.au/music/archives/2007/05/tuesday_mixtape_1.html
It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard. Tunes work together for the slightest of reasons which often break any rules you might impose. And the mere act of following rules dictates repetition and so predictability. Not to mention where individual styles may make a pair of tunes sound great with one person, but awful with the next. I'm sorry, but creativity is what your brain is for.
I think the logical next step would be to have the laptops playing the tunes, after they've decided on the sets. You could have one laptop programmed to sound like a fiddle, one to sound like a flute, and a whistle, maybe even a guitar. You could then programme them to argue about what chords to use as well ...
That would all leave so much more time for drinking, without having to do all the other boring stuff.
Of course, Ben, taking it to its logical conclusion, you could program a laptop to become a member of The Session, and make statements like:
>It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard. Tunes work together for the slightest of reasons which often break any rules you might impose.
or:
Of course, Ben, taking it to its logical conclusion, you could program a laptop to become a member of The Session, and make statements like:
>It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard. Tunes work together for the slightest of reasons which often break any rules you might impose.
or:
Of course, Ben, taking it to its logical conclusion, you could program a laptop to become a member of The Session, and make statements like:
>It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard. Tunes work together for the slightest of reasons which often break any rules you might impose.
or:
You could assemble 4 laptops and call them "The Four Tops". Dr Who would be on hand to administer the odd temporal shift whenever the guitar laptop lost the plot (so that would be quite often then - Ed.). At the end of each pre-programmed set they would "hibernate" on "standby" until one of them "thought" of another set.
I think it would be jolly nice, we could leave them to it and go home to watch "Deal or No Deal". Perhaps they could video each other (probably the guitar one could do this as it would have the least to do) and upload them on to "UpYouTube".
But, could you also get a few laptops in the corner, having the laptop equivalent of a good time, suitably draped in shellsuits, picking the laptop equivalent of their noses, swearing, scratching their diodes, putting their electrodes in beakers of lager top and so on. These would be designated as punter laptops. Just for real-session authenticity, you understand. Oh, and a really grumpy laptop with a white shirt called Chris who dispenses lager top to the punter laptops and abuse to the player laptops.
Well, Danny, as far as I can see, everyone on here IS a computer. We've all got a different set of pre-programmed ideas and beliefs, and they seem to have been hard-wired in. Every now and then, some random change in the belief -set is allowed, just to add some variety.
btw, have I ever said what a tremendous boon the electronic tuner is? (Not that *I* need one, being a computer.)
btw, they as well as wearing shell suits, they would all be sporting shoulder bags, staring out of the Windows, and tucking into chips ... followed by Ice-Screen ...
As vapourware I think SLB’s idea is interesting, especially establishing criteria as listed by KML. And llig’s caveats about randomness and rule-breaking is important so mix in a dash of fuzzy logic too.
There was a discussion a while ago about tune taxonomy with some discussion of the late American roots musician John Hartford’s idea to creat a database of tunes arranged by melody. Bob himself was involved at early stages, I believe, but unfortunately Mr. Hartford took ill and passed away before anything came of it.
There’s a deck of cards for bluegrass 5-string banjo with one measure of tablature on each one in “suits” of the keys of G, C and D. The idea is to randomly select the cards and arrange them according to the song’s chord progression and hey presto! instant banjo solo. I’ve never dealt with them, but I bet they don’t work as well as an actual musician – the stock riffs of bluegrass banjo are almost interchangeable, but not quite.
Ben, has it not occurred to you that what?!!?'s link might be a pretend one?
The thing about laptops is old ones don't have very big memories, so can only remember just a few old tunes, but are of course a valuable resource. That's assuming they haven't gone and got reformatted, which is what binge drinking lots of lager top does to them.
The new ones with high speed processors and huge memory capacity are just too cheeky and cocky, and play at frightening speeds having no respect for the tradition.
I'm cleaning up my computer today, arranging all my software into folders, and i could use some good tunes to listen to while doing it. Any suggestions? On second thoughts, maybe I'll just set my iPod to "shuffle". Thanks anyway.
Eventually all the badgers, typing on the Four (lap)Tops for an infinite amount of time, would die. However if, before typing, they each took one Tunersetz tablet, they would at least avoid dyspepsia, easily engendered by the (cont. p94)
Excellent project Sneeze.
Here is your 1st assignment;
Banish Misfortune
The Banshee
The Belfast
The Blarney Pilgrim
Boil The Breakfast Early
Bonaparte Crossing The Rhine
The Boys Of Malin
The Bucks Of Oranmore
Bundle And Go
The Butterfly
Calliope House
Castle Kelly
Chief O'Neill's Favourite
The Cliffs Of Moher
The Clumsy Lover
The Coleraine
The Concertina
The Connaughtman's Rambles
Cooley's
The Cuil Aodha
The Cup Of Tea
The Dancing Dog
The Dingle Regatta
Dinkey's
Donnybrook Fair
Drowsy Maggie
The Dusty Miller
The Dusty Windowsills
Egan's Polka
Eanach Mhic Coilin
Farewell To Erin
Franc A'Phoill
Frances John McGovern
The Friendly Visit
The Frieze Breeches
The Galway
The Geese In The Bog
The Gold Ring
The Golden Keyboard
The Gravel Walks
The Green Groves Of Erin
The Guns Of The Magnificent Seven
Hardiman The Fiddler
The Harvest Home
The High
The Humours Of Glendart
The Humours Of Westport
The Humours Of Whiskey
The Irish Washerwoman
Jackie Coleman's
The Jig Of Slurs
Johnny Boyle's
The Kesh
The Kid On The Mountain
King Of The Pipers
The Lads Of Laoise
Lady Anne Montgomery
Lady Birr
Langstrom's Pony
The Lark In The Morning
Last Night's Fun
The Lilting Banshee
The Maid Behind The Bar
The Mason's Apron
Maud Millar
The Meelick Team
Merrily Kissed The Quaker
The Merry Blacksmith
Miss McLeod's
The Monaghan
The Morning Dew
Morrison's
The Mountain Road
Mulqueen's
The Musical Priest
My Darling Asleep
My Love Is In America
Off To California
O'Keefe's Slide
The Old Favourite
Old John's
O'Rourke's
The Oyster Wife's Rant
Paddy Ryan's Dream
The Pigtown Fling
The Pipe On The Hob
Portpatrick
The Pride Of Petravore
The Rakes Of Kildare
The Rakes Of Mallow
Rakish Paddy
The Rambling Pitchfork
The Rights Of Man
The Roaring Barmaid
Rolling In The Ryegrass
The Rolling Waves
Ross Battery March
Ryan's
Sally Gardens Reel
Scarce O' Tatties
The Scholar
Scotch Mary
The Shetland Fiddler
I think Ben is treading down a dangerous road. Badgers have a natural inclination to create large setts, which are linked together by short passages and this "linking of setts" will result in a performance. However the bright lights will cause the badgers to stop moving and stare at them, and results in an angry mob of punters who want their money back unless you can convince them they've witnessed a variation on 4'33".
OK, I confess - I AM the author and seller of the TUNERSETZ software! The whole thread has been a bluff in the attempt to whip up sales. Ben, contact me off-list and I'll tell you where to send the $250.
A demonstration of the power of the software is provided by the results of entering Tonya's list. The program responded with:
"Error 14424 - alphabetic imbalance. Please select from the following tunes:
Take My Hand
Tam Lin (aka Howling Wind)
Tar Abhaile
Tar Road to Sligo, The
Tara Diamond's
Tarbolton
Tarbolton Lodge
Tatter Jack Walsh
Tear the Calico
Teelin, The
Teetotaler, The
Tell Her I Am
Templehouse, The
Tenpenny Bit
That’s Right Too
Thompson’s
Three Sea Captains
Tigh Rabhartaigh
Tim Moloney’s
Timmy Clifford’s
Tobin's
Tom Billy’s
Tom Billy's
Tom McGowan’s
Tom Ward's Downfall
Tommy Peoples’ #1
Tommy Peoples’ #2
Tongs By The Fire
Toormore Polka #1
Top of Cork Road
Torn Jacket, The
Toss the Feathers #1
Toss the Feathers #2
Trady Reagan
Tralee Jail
Traveller, The
Trim the Velvet
Trip to Athlone
Trip To Cullenstown, The
Trip To Durrow, The
Trip To Killavil, The
Trip To Nenagh
Trip To Pakistan, The
Trip to Sligo
Trip To The Cottage
Tripping on the Mountain
Tripping to the Well
Tripping up the Stairs
Trumpet Hornpipe
Tureengarbh Glen
Turkey Reel
Turnpike, The
Twelve Pins, The
Twilight In Portroe
Two Days To Go
Union Reel, The
Up And About In The Morning
Up and Away
Up in the Air
Up the Sides and Down the Middle
Vincent Campbell's Mazurka
Virginia, The
Volunteer, The
Walls of Liscaroll
Walsh's
Waltz of the Little Girls
Weavers
Wheels Of The World, The
Whinney Hills Of Leitrim, The
Whistle Up the Cat
Whistling Postman, The
Whole Chicken In The Soup, The
Wild Irishman, The
Wild Rose of the Mountain
Willafjord
Willie Coleman’s
Wind that Shakes the Barley
Windbroke
Windmill, The
Wise Maid
Within a Mile of Dublin
Woman Of The House, The
Women's Dance in the Ombres Chinoises
Woodcock, The
Yellow Tinker, The
Young Johnson
If you are wondering why the price has gone up, it's because an electronic tuner and a metronome have been integrated into the new Version 2.
I love A.I. as much as the next guy (probably more, since I got my degree in it), but some things are really better done by real people--even if just for the principle of it.
I guess it's kinda nifty to talk about trying to get a computer to behave like a human, but it's nearly offensive to have a human so lazy that they'd rather outsource their creativity to a computer.
Tonya asked:
"Why is the price going up when it is not working properly?"
Because it's not working properly in a much more interesting way!
In Version 3 the metronome will optionally offer the sounds of bodhran, spoons and shaky egg. So buy Version 2 now if you don't want to pay the further $50 that will be slapped on at that stage.
Version 4 will extend the option of Version 3, to select automatically which of the percussion sounds to use on the basis of what tunes it has put into the current set. I haven't fixed a price for Version 4 yet - my subsidiaries are supposed to be writing an AI application to optimize the rate of price hiking. That particular project is running into the sand as we have been unable to agree their fee.
What passes for the AI in version 5 is a con. It merely eschews that most basic of things a computer can do, namely keeping a steady beat, and randomly speeds up instead. The only clever bit of programming was to stop it from randomly slowing down. Also, I think they tried to make it smile, but with not much success.
Yes, someone brought a Tunersetz Badger to the Blythe the other week. It wasn't a success. The Four (lap)Tops were playing a rib-cackling "webset" round the table, the punters were loving it, when suddenly the Badger uploaded a spybot from a hidden gland into the fid-top. Well you can imagine, benhall.
I realise it's a bit off-topic, but people may like to know that real afficionados reckon the TB3 is the best there has ever been. And far superior to the upstart XTunes from Gill Bates Corp.
(Gill was a lowly Fid-Top programmer, but rose to her current position of power by a gradual process of adding more and more redundant code to the Fid-Top programme, diversifying into all the other N-Top applications now known and hated the world over, and by never ever bothering to re-write the original code, thereby making it ever longer and more prone to error ... but beating all others to the market with apparently superior products at every significant business juncture.
The Fid-Top - and other related N-Top programmes - are now notorious for their unreliability, proneness to suddenly stopping in the middle of a tune, when they refuse to start again until they are switched off and on again, and by their fondness for, instead of a nice, legato style, an affinity with hacking. This has been described by critics as a 'fatal error' on the part of Gill Bates Corp, but their position remains pre-eminent in the field of N-Tops because of their tactic of ensuring that no N-Top is released to the market without a Bates Corp programme pre-loaded.)
I'ld just like to say that I live just off what used to be called the A1, and previously to that was known as The Great North Road.
And one of my sessions is actually in a bar at the side of TGNR. So there !
However, despite the suggestions above, I have no intention of playing Tripping up Stairs followed by the Trumpet Hornpipe.
You do realize I am still skeptical of this tune/set software?
I do not have the product. The list I provided, thanks to all you on TheSession, is not one set. That is why you have the software.
I just have not seen a convincing demonstration of its value.
Software for putting tunes into sets
Software for putting tunes into sets
A short while ago we discussed the benefits of using computer software *slightly* more advanced than an ordinary word processor to keep track of your tunes and of the sets that you want to play them in. Using a word processor alone is not much different from just keeping your tune names on a scrap of paper; apart from the fact that it works much better, the principle is the same. Using something slightly more advanced (for me, that means Excel) means that you can also keep track of much more information: keys tune types, sources, history, where you learnt them, what sets you play them with here, what other sets you play them with somewhere else, discography - whatever you like. You can sort, resort, filter etc. on any and all of the fields you enter.
I think we saw that somebody who has already got a very large repertoire and many years of experience before coming to the idea of electronic help might wonder whether it was worth actually typing in the names of all the tunes they know (always assuming they actually know which tunes they know, if you see what I mean). But for most of us, and without question for beginners, it is clearly a very easy and helpful thing to make such a list as you go along.
But wouldn't it be handy if somebody would write some software that could effectively shuffle your tunes into sets, rather than merely keeping track of the sets that you choose? It would make a wonderful project for, perhaps, someone in their third year of computer science who happens to be interested in traditional music, or perhaps even a project for a doctorate. Formalising the factors that make for aesthetically pleasing sets would be a fascinating job. Clearly, it's a little example of AI (artificial intelligence), so would be a suitable project for somebody in that field. The knowledge base that would need to to be incorporated into the software would be fairly large. One part of it would, of course, involve the structure of the tunes concerned, but now that such a high proportion of traditional tunes are available in ABC the time required to collect the data is much smaller nowadays than it ever was in the past.
Formulating the rules that would need to be considered would obviously start at the beginning of the project, but would be an ongoing issue calling for expert input throughout (and beyond) the period during which the software "engine" was developed.
Any suggestions as to what those rules would involve?
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Lingpupa
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I have excellent software already which I use for this and other purposes. It resides in my hippocampus and my superior temporal gyrus.
What you propose is mildly scary. It would take out all the "human" aspects of set creation. Yes, I know you are asking for a set of set-creation criteria which could then be pumped into a computer. And that would have to be designed by a human. And the finer resolution would be achieved by more and more discriminatory aspects of your criteria, if that makes sense. But still, you would lose all spontaneous creativity, which is the hallmark of a good set maker-up.
However, this could be fun. there are many rules which humans already almost intuitively follow.
Some of these are:
Fragments of tunes that sound the same/are the same, but maybe in a different key - the fragments, that is.
Fragments of tunes that "echo" the fragment the previous one - not quite the same as being the same.
Tunes in the same key.
Tunes in different keys - but maybe going up by a fifth or down by a fifth, then back up/down again in the next tune.
Tunes that are totally different but "fit" for reasons way beyond the power of my mere terrestial intellect to be able to explain.
Some people change the tempo going from a jig/hornpipe up to a reel, but the line of the melody is similar in both. Personally I think this CAN sound effective, but if they catch you, the Purist Police will take you to a cell and beat you to a pulp but the bruises won't show.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Sounds like a great idea sneezyboy. You could sit the laptops just next to your music stands at the session.
As for predictive software, anyone tried iTunes attempts to find music you would like (to buy, of course)?
I quote from a recent column in the Melbourne Age "You Bought Under Milk Wood As Read By Richard Burton, We Recommend Melissa Manchester's You Should Hear How She Talks About You!"
http://blogs.theage.com.au/music/archives/2007/05/tuesday_mixtape_1.html
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Bren
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard. Tunes work together for the slightest of reasons which often break any rules you might impose. And the mere act of following rules dictates repetition and so predictability. Not to mention where individual styles may make a pair of tunes sound great with one person, but awful with the next. I'm sorry, but creativity is what your brain is for.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I think the logical next step would be to have the laptops playing the tunes, after they've decided on the sets. You could have one laptop programmed to sound like a fiddle, one to sound like a flute, and a whistle, maybe even a guitar. You could then programme them to argue about what chords to use as well ...
That would all leave so much more time for drinking, without having to do all the other boring stuff.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Of course, Ben, taking it to its logical conclusion, you could program a laptop to become a member of The Session, and make statements like:
>It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard. Tunes work together for the slightest of reasons which often break any rules you might impose.
or:
Of course, Ben, taking it to its logical conclusion, you could program a laptop to become a member of The Session, and make statements like:
>It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard. Tunes work together for the slightest of reasons which often break any rules you might impose.
or:
Of course, Ben, taking it to its logical conclusion, you could program a laptop to become a member of The Session, and make statements like:
>It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've heard. Tunes work together for the slightest of reasons which often break any rules you might impose.
or:
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Help! I'm malfunctionning!
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
<CTRL Q>
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Rhod
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
hands up anyone who clicked on that link?
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Yeah, one of their best clients is classic fm
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Nesun dorma, night on a bare mountain, and the lark ascending. Brilliant
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
You could assemble 4 laptops and call them "The Four Tops". Dr Who would be on hand to administer the odd temporal shift whenever the guitar laptop lost the plot (so that would be quite often then - Ed.). At the end of each pre-programmed set they would "hibernate" on "standby" until one of them "thought" of another set.
I think it would be jolly nice, we could leave them to it and go home to watch "Deal or No Deal". Perhaps they could video each other (probably the guitar one could do this as it would have the least to do) and upload them on to "UpYouTube".
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by maxF
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
But, could you also get a few laptops in the corner, having the laptop equivalent of a good time, suitably draped in shellsuits, picking the laptop equivalent of their noses, swearing, scratching their diodes, putting their electrodes in beakers of lager top and so on. These would be designated as punter laptops. Just for real-session authenticity, you understand. Oh, and a really grumpy laptop with a white shirt called Chris who dispenses lager top to the punter laptops and abuse to the player laptops.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Well, Danny, as far as I can see, everyone on here IS a computer. We've all got a different set of pre-programmed ideas and beliefs, and they seem to have been hard-wired in. Every now and then, some random change in the belief -set is allowed, just to add some variety.
btw, have I ever said what a tremendous boon the electronic tuner is? (Not that *I* need one, being a computer.)
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
David, I couldn't get your link to work. Plea-ea-se tell me how to get to the fabulous 'tunersetz' software, as I really need to buy it NOW.
I'm supposed to be working, y'know ...
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
And tattoos.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by maxF
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
You'd think computers would be able to sense when they were about to cross-post ...
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
btw, they as well as wearing shell suits, they would all be sporting shoulder bags, staring out of the Windows, and tucking into chips ... followed by Ice-Screen ...
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Every now and then there would be a laptop fight, when the sparks would really fly. And you'd have to send for the PC's ...
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Use an Excel spreadsheet
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by geoffwright
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
As vapourware I think SLB’s idea is interesting, especially establishing criteria as listed by KML. And llig’s caveats about randomness and rule-breaking is important so mix in a dash of fuzzy logic too.
There was a discussion a while ago about tune taxonomy with some discussion of the late American roots musician John Hartford’s idea to creat a database of tunes arranged by melody. Bob himself was involved at early stages, I believe, but unfortunately Mr. Hartford took ill and passed away before anything came of it.
There’s a deck of cards for bluegrass 5-string banjo with one measure of tablature on each one in “suits” of the keys of G, C and D. The idea is to randomly select the cards and arrange them according to the song’s chord progression and hey presto! instant banjo solo. I’ve never dealt with them, but I bet they don’t work as well as an actual musician – the stock riffs of bluegrass banjo are almost interchangeable, but not quite.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by fidkid
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Ben, has it not occurred to you that what?!!?'s link might be a pretend one?
The thing about laptops is old ones don't have very big memories, so can only remember just a few old tunes, but are of course a valuable resource. That's assuming they haven't gone and got reformatted, which is what binge drinking lots of lager top does to them.
The new ones with high speed processors and huge memory capacity are just too cheeky and cocky, and play at frightening speeds having no respect for the tradition.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Tunes for putting software into sets
I'm cleaning up my computer today, arranging all my software into folders, and i could use some good tunes to listen to while doing it. Any suggestions? On second thoughts, maybe I'll just set my iPod to "shuffle". Thanks anyway.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by GaryAMartin
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Anyway, if you put tunes into sets, won't the badgers just eat them?
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by maxF
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Depends. If it's The Cup of Tea followed by The Jug of Punch they'd have have to drink them.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Yes, Danny, I got David's irony the first time. My post was what we round these here parts call a 'joke'.
As for maxF, I think you've hit on the solution - put all the tunes into setts, and the badgers will arrange them for you. Probably into bedding ...
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
But badgers don't eat tunes they eat Polo Mints.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I thought that was glacier mints ... and polar bears ... ?
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Doctor Who, Badgers and Mints.
I'm not summarizing what was said, I'm just reporting what TUNERSETZ told me I should play next.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Eventually all the badgers, typing on the Four (lap)Tops for an infinite amount of time, would die. However if, before typing, they each took one Tunersetz tablet, they would at least avoid dyspepsia, easily engendered by the (cont. p94)
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by maxF
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I'm glad to see this thread is being treated with the derision it deserves.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
...now if we could only get Dr. Who to take us all back in the Tardis to before the thread even started...
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Excuse me, Michael, but I for one was treating it very seriously indeed.
Now ... where'd I put that badger?
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Michael will like this one:
When Dr Who was quizzed why he had a Northern accent, yet he claimed to be an alien, he said:
"Most planets have a north"
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Excellent project Sneeze.
Here is your 1st assignment;
Banish Misfortune
The Banshee
The Belfast
The Blarney Pilgrim
Boil The Breakfast Early
Bonaparte Crossing The Rhine
The Boys Of Malin
The Bucks Of Oranmore
Bundle And Go
The Butterfly
Calliope House
Castle Kelly
Chief O'Neill's Favourite
The Cliffs Of Moher
The Clumsy Lover
The Coleraine
The Concertina
The Connaughtman's Rambles
Cooley's
The Cuil Aodha
The Cup Of Tea
The Dancing Dog
The Dingle Regatta
Dinkey's
Donnybrook Fair
Drowsy Maggie
The Dusty Miller
The Dusty Windowsills
Egan's Polka
Eanach Mhic Coilin
Farewell To Erin
Franc A'Phoill
Frances John McGovern
The Friendly Visit
The Frieze Breeches
The Galway
The Geese In The Bog
The Gold Ring
The Golden Keyboard
The Gravel Walks
The Green Groves Of Erin
The Guns Of The Magnificent Seven
Hardiman The Fiddler
The Harvest Home
The High
The Humours Of Glendart
The Humours Of Westport
The Humours Of Whiskey
The Irish Washerwoman
Jackie Coleman's
The Jig Of Slurs
Johnny Boyle's
The Kesh
The Kid On The Mountain
King Of The Pipers
The Lads Of Laoise
Lady Anne Montgomery
Lady Birr
Langstrom's Pony
The Lark In The Morning
Last Night's Fun
The Lilting Banshee
The Maid Behind The Bar
The Mason's Apron
Maud Millar
The Meelick Team
Merrily Kissed The Quaker
The Merry Blacksmith
Miss McLeod's
The Monaghan
The Morning Dew
Morrison's
The Mountain Road
Mulqueen's
The Musical Priest
My Darling Asleep
My Love Is In America
Off To California
O'Keefe's Slide
The Old Favourite
Old John's
O'Rourke's
The Oyster Wife's Rant
Paddy Ryan's Dream
The Pigtown Fling
The Pipe On The Hob
Portpatrick
The Pride Of Petravore
The Rakes Of Kildare
The Rakes Of Mallow
Rakish Paddy
The Rambling Pitchfork
The Rights Of Man
The Roaring Barmaid
Rolling In The Ryegrass
The Rolling Waves
Ross Battery March
Ryan's
Sally Gardens Reel
Scarce O' Tatties
The Scholar
Scotch Mary
The Shetland Fiddler
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Tonya
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Does Dr. Who play first base?
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by AlBrown
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
That's one long set.
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Kheelch
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
"I have excellent software already which I use for this and other purposes. It resides in my hippocampus and my superior temporal gyrus."
Doesn't seem to be cross-plattform-compatible? Eh?
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by brotherstorm
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
>Doesn't seem to be cross-plattform-compatible?
True, but the hardware is compatible with many different programs....
...at least it used to be....
# Posted on July 12th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I think Ben is treading down a dangerous road. Badgers have a natural inclination to create large setts, which are linked together by short passages and this "linking of setts" will result in a performance. However the bright lights will cause the badgers to stop moving and stare at them, and results in an angry mob of punters who want their money back unless you can convince them they've witnessed a variation on 4'33".
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by Andy V
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
OK, I confess - I AM the author and seller of the TUNERSETZ software! The whole thread has been a bluff in the attempt to whip up sales. Ben, contact me off-list and I'll tell you where to send the $250.
A demonstration of the power of the software is provided by the results of entering Tonya's list. The program responded with:
"Error 14424 - alphabetic imbalance. Please select from the following tunes:
Take My Hand
Tam Lin (aka Howling Wind)
Tar Abhaile
Tar Road to Sligo, The
Tara Diamond's
Tarbolton
Tarbolton Lodge
Tatter Jack Walsh
Tear the Calico
Teelin, The
Teetotaler, The
Tell Her I Am
Templehouse, The
Tenpenny Bit
That’s Right Too
Thompson’s
Three Sea Captains
Tigh Rabhartaigh
Tim Moloney’s
Timmy Clifford’s
Tobin's
Tom Billy’s
Tom Billy's
Tom McGowan’s
Tom Ward's Downfall
Tommy Peoples’ #1
Tommy Peoples’ #2
Tongs By The Fire
Toormore Polka #1
Top of Cork Road
Torn Jacket, The
Toss the Feathers #1
Toss the Feathers #2
Trady Reagan
Tralee Jail
Traveller, The
Trim the Velvet
Trip to Athlone
Trip To Cullenstown, The
Trip To Durrow, The
Trip To Killavil, The
Trip To Nenagh
Trip To Pakistan, The
Trip to Sligo
Trip To The Cottage
Tripping on the Mountain
Tripping to the Well
Tripping up the Stairs
Trumpet Hornpipe
Tureengarbh Glen
Turkey Reel
Turnpike, The
Twelve Pins, The
Twilight In Portroe
Two Days To Go
Union Reel, The
Up And About In The Morning
Up and Away
Up in the Air
Up the Sides and Down the Middle
Vincent Campbell's Mazurka
Virginia, The
Volunteer, The
Walls of Liscaroll
Walsh's
Waltz of the Little Girls
Weavers
Wheels Of The World, The
Whinney Hills Of Leitrim, The
Whistle Up the Cat
Whistling Postman, The
Whole Chicken In The Soup, The
Wild Irishman, The
Wild Rose of the Mountain
Willafjord
Willie Coleman’s
Wind that Shakes the Barley
Windbroke
Windmill, The
Wise Maid
Within a Mile of Dublin
Woman Of The House, The
Women's Dance in the Ombres Chinoises
Woodcock, The
Yellow Tinker, The
Young Johnson
If you are wondering why the price has gone up, it's because an electronic tuner and a metronome have been integrated into the new Version 2.
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by Lingpupa
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
God, it's so clever. I love that "dash of fuzzy logic" thing. Imagine going TUVWY ... missing out the X. Amazing. It reaslly is impressive
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
did someone say on another thread that the most common employment among "ITM" hobbyists these days is "working in IT"?
could it be the end of the world as we know it?
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by Bren
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Why is the price going up when it is not working properly?
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by Tonya
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
ugh.
I love A.I. as much as the next guy (probably more, since I got my degree in it), but some things are really better done by real people--even if just for the principle of it.
I guess it's kinda nifty to talk about trying to get a computer to behave like a human, but it's nearly offensive to have a human so lazy that they'd rather outsource their creativity to a computer.
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by Georgi
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Tonya asked:
"Why is the price going up when it is not working properly?"
Because it's not working properly in a much more interesting way!
In Version 3 the metronome will optionally offer the sounds of bodhran, spoons and shaky egg. So buy Version 2 now if you don't want to pay the further $50 that will be slapped on at that stage.
Version 4 will extend the option of Version 3, to select automatically which of the percussion sounds to use on the basis of what tunes it has put into the current set. I haven't fixed a price for Version 4 yet - my subsidiaries are supposed to be writing an AI application to optimize the rate of price hiking. That particular project is running into the sand as we have been unable to agree their fee.
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by Lingpupa
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What passes for the AI in version 5 is a con. It merely eschews that most basic of things a computer can do, namely keeping a steady beat, and randomly speeds up instead. The only clever bit of programming was to stop it from randomly slowing down. Also, I think they tried to make it smile, but with not much success.
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Well I'm not in favour of A.I. at all, except for livestock. When it comes to humans, I'd much rather do it myself, thank you
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by Bren
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I like the A1, actually. It goes north, where Dr Who and the badgers come from.
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by maxF
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I thought it went south
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by Bren
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
No, it's the badgers who are going south ... due to T.B.
That's Tunersetz Badger (c)
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Sorry - that should be Tunersetz Badger ©
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
Yes, someone brought a Tunersetz Badger to the Blythe the other week. It wasn't a success. The Four (lap)Tops were playing a rib-cackling "webset" round the table, the punters were loving it, when suddenly the Badger uploaded a spybot from a hidden gland into the fid-top. Well you can imagine, benhall.
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by maxF
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I realise it's a bit off-topic, but people may like to know that real afficionados reckon the TB3 is the best there has ever been. And far superior to the upstart XTunes from Gill Bates Corp.
(Gill was a lowly Fid-Top programmer, but rose to her current position of power by a gradual process of adding more and more redundant code to the Fid-Top programme, diversifying into all the other N-Top applications now known and hated the world over, and by never ever bothering to re-write the original code, thereby making it ever longer and more prone to error ... but beating all others to the market with apparently superior products at every significant business juncture.
The Fid-Top - and other related N-Top programmes - are now notorious for their unreliability, proneness to suddenly stopping in the middle of a tune, when they refuse to start again until they are switched off and on again, and by their fondness for, instead of a nice, legato style, an affinity with hacking. This has been described by critics as a 'fatal error' on the part of Gill Bates Corp, but their position remains pre-eminent in the field of N-Tops because of their tactic of ensuring that no N-Top is released to the market without a Bates Corp programme pre-loaded.)
# Posted on July 13th 2007 by benhall.1
Badgers
Has anybody got any software for organising badgers into tunes?
I feel we should be as imaginatve as possible on this one - it would be a shame to be too black and white about it.
# Posted on July 14th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I think you mean tunnels.
# Posted on July 14th 2007 by nicholas
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before putting tunes into sets, it is important to learn to play them properly.
# Posted on July 15th 2007 by dickens metrognome
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
I'ld just like to say that I live just off what used to be called the A1, and previously to that was known as The Great North Road.
And one of my sessions is actually in a bar at the side of TGNR. So there !
However, despite the suggestions above, I have no intention of playing Tripping up Stairs followed by the Trumpet Hornpipe.
# Posted on July 15th 2007 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Software for putting tunes into sets
You do realize I am still skeptical of this tune/set software?
I do not have the product. The list I provided, thanks to all you on TheSession, is not one set. That is why you have the software.
I just have not seen a convincing demonstration of its value.
# Posted on July 17th 2007 by Tonya