Ah, but the 700,000 Euros didn't just evaporate. I used to have this attitude about big expensive weddings -- all that money could have been used for a Good Cause (TM) -- but one day I realized that florists have kids to feed, caterers have rent and mortgages, wedding dress designers have phone bills, etc. Made it easier for me to ask them to pay the harpist reasonable money, too. (They still don't want to pay the bodhran soloist for the bridal processional ...)
So how true is this assertion from their web page? Seems to me as if they're limiting their definition of "traditional music performance" to "commercial recordings."
"The bodhrán is an old drum but a young musical instrument. Although it has existed in Ireland for centuries, it was introduced into traditional music performance only in the 1960s, and became common only in the 1970s." http://www.worldbodhranchampionships.com
That's true re. Tom Morrison, but the drum, like sessions, is a new thing. Seamus O'Kane, the great bodhran maker, pointed out in a recent TV documentary that nobody was playing the drum in the North music before 1969.
Its history before that is very patchy and very localised and it was certainly not the icon of Irish music (for better and worse) that it is today.
Also, on the Morrison record, its called a 'Tambourine' and it had 'bells', metal rattles like on a tambourine.
Harry as you pointed out it was called a tambourine, the bodhran was played alot back then but alot of people called it a tambourine . an old london irish man told me this recently
I heard it was all a scam, that they really just want to record all the bangers in the world, with CCTV, catch their pictures, finger prints, and get their DNA off of pint glasses. The bulk of the money, however, is going toward building an island with waste and building a holding facility. I'm not sure what they plan to do with all that. It sounds a bit suspicious to me, men in black stuff...
Is there really that much of a difference anyway between a bodhran and a tambourine (without the bells)? True they have probably developed over the years with some of the top makers like O'Kane or Belgarth developing a better sounding instrument.
In reality though isn't a bodhran to a tambourine what Welsh Rarebit is to cheese on toast?
"No one would want to play the bodhran if it was called the tambourine."
Maybe, when punters ask what the drum-like thing is called, we can say it is a twidletinky (or something). They may decide right then not to take it up.
I brought a Tapping Frog to the World Bodhran Championships and I've never experienced such bigotry. Outrageous, you’d think those folks would be more accepting.
LOL.
In future pastrings I shall be telling anyone who asks that the big round thing made of skin and wood is in fact a "duct taped tambourine" the ancient Sanskrit name for which is the "bodhran".
And thanks, I have just had to clean the beer that came snorting down my nose off the keyboard. I wouldn't normally agree with spilling beer but I will let you off this time.
World bodhran championships
World bodhran championships
just wondering if anyone went to the world bodhran championships! Or if it was any craic. Didn`t get to go to it myself! sounded like fun!
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by iluvpints
Re: World bodhran championships
Wait for it...
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Steve Shaw
Re: World bodhran championships
WHAT?!!!... WHAT WAS THAT?!!!... OH YEAH, I WAS THERE!!!!... I'M SORRY, BUT, YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK UP!!!!
REGARDS!!!,
HARRY!!!!
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Harry B
Re: World bodhran championships
700,000 Euros to run this.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by bodhran bliss
Re: World bodhran championships
jaysus, thats a lot of money! could be put to better use!
But surely it is a bit of a laugh.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by iluvpints
Re: World bodhran championships
was it for playing them or throwing them?
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Bren
Re: World bodhran championships
Bren, aussie ones come back when you throw them.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Rudall the time
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700,000 Euros to run this. it cost 800,000 last year because I was there then.ha!
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Saint
Re: World bodhran championships
that 100,000 was the costs of the damages to the town
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Saint
Re: World bodhran championships
Ah, but the 700,000 Euros didn't just evaporate. I used to have this attitude about big expensive weddings -- all that money could have been used for a Good Cause (TM) -- but one day I realized that florists have kids to feed, caterers have rent and mortgages, wedding dress designers have phone bills, etc. Made it easier for me to ask them to pay the harpist reasonable money, too. (They still don't want to pay the bodhran soloist for the bridal processional ...)
So how true is this assertion from their web page? Seems to me as if they're limiting their definition of "traditional music performance" to "commercial recordings."
"The bodhrán is an old drum but a young musical instrument. Although it has existed in Ireland for centuries, it was introduced into traditional music performance only in the 1960s, and became common only in the 1970s." http://www.worldbodhranchampionships.com
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Tracie
Re: World bodhran championships
Michael thou shouldst be living at this hour.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by showaddydadito
Re: World bodhran championships
Tom Morrison recorded with a bodhran in the 1920s.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Kenny
Re: World bodhran championships
That's true re. Tom Morrison, but the drum, like sessions, is a new thing. Seamus O'Kane, the great bodhran maker, pointed out in a recent TV documentary that nobody was playing the drum in the North music before 1969.
Its history before that is very patchy and very localised and it was certainly not the icon of Irish music (for better and worse) that it is today.
Also, on the Morrison record, its called a 'Tambourine' and it had 'bells', metal rattles like on a tambourine.
Regards,
Harry.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Harry B
Re: World bodhran championships
Harry as you pointed out it was called a tambourine, the bodhran was played alot back then but alot of people called it a tambourine . an old london irish man told me this recently
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Saint
Re: World bodhran championships
It may have been played a lot in certain places, but there are very few references to it generally.
There are some photos of it associated with the wren boys, but this, again, was a localised tradition within a localised tradition.
Regards,
Harry.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Harry B
Re: World bodhran championships
Name changes - do I detect a certain insecurity....?
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by feardearg
Re: World bodhran championships
What does (dose) the top Bodhran player get (deserve) as a Prize?
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by feardearg
Re: World bodhran championships
That was no bodhran Kenny, that was Tom's foot.
I heard it was all a scam, that they really just want to record all the bangers in the world, with CCTV, catch their pictures, finger prints, and get their DNA off of pint glasses. The bulk of the money, however, is going toward building an island with waste and building a holding facility. I'm not sure what they plan to do with all that. It sounds a bit suspicious to me, men in black stuff...
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: soylent night...
people,people!
soylent green...
is...
...!
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by biggus dave
Re: World bodhran championships
Overall, the bodhran was rare is my point. That and 'how things change'.
Regards,
Harry.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Harry B
Re: World bodhran championships
I thought people recorded with microphones in the 1920s.
No wonder some of those old recordings have a primitive quality...
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by nicholas
Re: World bodhran championships
Hee hee.
H.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Harry B
Re: World bodhran championships
If the thing they were playing way back when had bells and was called a tambourine, is it possible that it was a tambourine?
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by E
Re: World bodhran championships
Well, maybe a bass tambourine. And it was bigger than what we generally consider a tambourine.
More importantly it was played like today's bodhranisors play, wrist bent forward etc.
Regards,
H.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Harry B
Re: World bodhran championships
Is there really that much of a difference anyway between a bodhran and a tambourine (without the bells)? True they have probably developed over the years with some of the top makers like O'Kane or Belgarth developing a better sounding instrument.
In reality though isn't a bodhran to a tambourine what Welsh Rarebit is to cheese on toast?
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: World bodhran championships
No one would want to play the bodhran if it was called the tambourine. So they call them bodhrans.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Ottery
Re: World bodhran championships
"No one would want to play the bodhran if it was called the tambourine."
Maybe, when punters ask what the drum-like thing is called, we can say it is a twidletinky (or something). They may decide right then not to take it up.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by feardearg
Re: World bodhran championships
Isn't "bodhran" from the ancient Sanskrit for "duct taped tambourine" ?
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by pastrings
Re: World bodhran championships
I brought a Tapping Frog to the World Bodhran Championships and I've never experienced such bigotry. Outrageous, you’d think those folks would be more accepting.
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/14002/comments#comment288389
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: World bodhran championships
OK, I can't back that up, but darn it, I'm getting a lot of mileage out of those *#&$*# frogs.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: World bodhran championships
I don't like O'Kane drums, there seems to a reverse principle about them. Something to do with the double skin I suspect.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by bodhran bliss
Re: World bodhran championships
So to sum up: Bodhrans are octave tambourines.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by saltcast
Re: World bodhran championships
This entire fiasco is actually more exploitive and ten times worse than the World Fleadh.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by bodhran bliss
Re: World bodhran championships
LOL.
In future pastrings I shall be telling anyone who asks that the big round thing made of skin and wood is in fact a "duct taped tambourine" the ancient Sanskrit name for which is the "bodhran".
And thanks, I have just had to clean the beer that came snorting down my nose off the keyboard. I wouldn't normally agree with spilling beer but I will let you off this time.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by flossie
Re: World bodhran championships
Every bodhran player should have a charlie byrne what a drum
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Saint
Re: World bodhran championships
They're all frame drums. Some of them have jingles.
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by oldstrings
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World Bodhran Championships was very good, excellent concert on the friday night - incredible stuff from Sandeep Raval and Mel Mercier.
Jonathan
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by Jonathan Roche