For christ's sake, why don't people bother to learn abc before they post tunes? Why don't they check their abc using software? Jeremy requests this specifically, and yet it's ignored time and time again.
Ok, I'm just warning you, I've been really patient up till now, but there's a lot of sh1te getting through these days, and I'm sick of wasting my time bringing crap up onto my screen. From now on, I'm going to start saying what I really think about these tunes. You thought I was judgemental and horrible before? Ye ain't seen nuthin' yet.
No, you don't understand, Key. These people post more crap in the tunes section than you even spout in the discussions. I never thought that was possible!
Oh I see. So posting:
"You thought I was judgemental and horrible before? Ye ain't seen nuthin' yet."
isn't crap?
Sounds like my wee boy of four and a half when he has a tantrum.
Cop on son.
It's all rubbish. You should NEVER learn from dots or ABCs anyway because it'll just bugger up your ornaments and it's all damaging the youth of today who ought to be shielded from this stuff.
F2 AF BFAF| F2 AF EFDE| F2 AF BFAF| G2 FG EFDE|
F2 AF BFAF|F2 AF EFD2| FAA2 BAFA|BABd eddA|
d2dA BAFA| d2 de fgfe| d2 dA BAFA| G2 FG EDFA|
d2 dA BAFA| d2 de fgfe| d2 dA BAFA| G2 FG EFDE|
is this right b4 i start learning it(The Mountain Road)
You're all so mean! That Meet Me On the Dance floor tune is one of the most emotionally charged tunes I've ever heard. I tried playing it and couldn't do more than a couble of bars without the emotion of laughter completely overcoming me.
We appreciate tunes which make us feel sad. we appreciate tunes which make us want to dance, why shouldn't we appreciate tunes that have the rare gift of rolling on the floor p*ssing our jeans?
I merely ask....
However ~ I wasn't laughing, I was groaning... Maybe I have become a miserable ol' git... Nope, I'm smiling now as I envisage Ottery rollin' around on the floor p*ssin' hisself...
Worse about these is that most of them have actually been offered help with their ABCs ~ quietly in the background, via email, and yet they just go on submitting anyway, and submitting 'my effort at composing'... Does nobody bother to read the FAQs anymore?
Danny,
You took the bait there...
come on late in the evening and bb....where are you????
Post here in the one thread instead of e mailing each other so we can all read.....
I look forward to it.
tick tock tick tock....
Must agree with the moans and groans about the ABCs posted without due care. The examples given above by 'c' are typical. There is so much guidance and advice on ABC use on this site that there is really no excuse for such rubbish to be submitted.
Life is too short to have to sift through the garbage on this fine site to find the gems!
D
ps Mark and KML - please less of the blasphemy - I and perhaps others find it offensive
Maybe a way of stopping all this crap is if you could choose if you wrote it out like sheet music or in ABC format, because for people like me, who don't read or write ABC, it's like another bloody langauge.
The reason I am trying to post in it is because there is no other way!!!!! I wanted to post an orginal tune that I am proud of and thought others would like to hear, I have tried my hardest and all I get is a pile of abuse!!! I read the help section and as far as I am concerned, followed it to the letter. Maybe a little encouragement for starting out musicians like me may want us to carry on learning, rather than give it up, which is, quite frankly, what I feel like doing
It took me a *little* longer than that Dow, but it's still pretty easy.
And you're dead right - let's start getting to the point ...
So, there's absolutely no excuse for submitting rubbish like the above examples. When it's self-composed as well, and the only conceivable reason for posting it is the self-absorption of the deluded wasters who post this crap - it's bloody outrageous!
What a crock of shight mandolinman. You've been emailed before things got public. Help was offered. It was even suggested that you send your attampts at ABCing to one of us to HELP!!! ~ BUT YOU COULDN'T BE BOTHERED... So no excuses for the garbage you've recently cranked out... We tried the nice way with you, more than willing to help, even with a bad tune, but you couldn't be bothered and instead bumbled through again on your own... So you've little cause to moan...
Encouragement? ~ there is a limitless amount to dole out amongst the folks here, mostly who are willing to give aid... But when an ego comes along too large to accept that assistance, and who charges forward without regards for basic courtesy and consideration for the site and its members, which is abusive ~ well, the paitence and the courtesy will quickly erode on this end.
i actually think it is unbelievably cool what kind of tune stuff you can get on this site. i didn't even realize it was there until very recently, and i think it's amazing.
P.S. Mandoman ~ check the 'Comments' again for your recent submission. The probable ABCs are there. You could make the corrections to your submission, if it reads right. As your ABCs currently stand they aren't likely to convert to sheetmusic or to survive the night...
I don't really see what all this abuse directed at Mandolinman is all about. OK, so his ABC transcription wasn't so good, but it's not as if he's a serial ABC-rapist or anything. And actually, I think "Whiskey in a Pint Glass" works quite well if you play it as a polka rather than a reel. He's not doing it to spite or insult anyone, and to be honest, it's perfectly readable if you actually try to read it, rather than just look at it and say, "OMG! How, like, bad is that ABC?!"
I really can't be ersed with this "abc" stuff. It's so 1990s and geeky boys' club. Best thing is just to record tunes on your camera phone or whatever and stick them on Youtube, then post a link, then we can all enjoy it. What could be simpler?
Isn't part of the problem that this site lacks a focus on which there can be clear consensus.
Although I've been a member here for some time, I've only been at all active for the last few months, so my perspective may be narrow, but I even have a sense that there is a near consensus that music of interest here does not have to be traditional (in any obvious sense), or Irish (in any unambiguous sense). It seems to be understood as nothing more than a genre thing. So who is going to set boundaries of what is traditional, what is Irish, what is good?
If it weren't for Comhaltas ITM would probably be as significant now as the traditional music of West Bromwich. At least their rules make some kind of sense!
Efforts were made to try to help Mandoman and they seemed to be for nought... But maybe we shouldn't try to help? Anyway, yes, that's abuse, and yes, maybe it is best not to answer frustration with calling something a "crock of shight", even if it is? And the there are blessed people in the world whose poo don't stink either...
Bellman, it wasn't so much the nature of the tunes as the ABCs, which are not as they were originally, in most cases. Also, it was about the FAQs as Jeremy has laid them down, with regards to self-compositions, that on the whole the site isn't about that, but if you are so driven, that one at least have the courtesy to contribute other things first, roughly 5 to 1... It's a discussion that has come up several times in the past...
But the main frustration was with people submitting ABCs without bothering to learn them first, or to accept help and guidance from the many generous people here on site. I don't know anyone, though there may be a few, who wouldn't offer help.
I don't care if it's a tune I like or not. I don't see that really matters. I can always choose from the other thousands on site here. So for me it isn't about the tune, it is about the mess and not bothering to learn the basics of ABCs before slopping a load of it in the tunes section... Like a kid handing your their mud pie ~ "I did this!" The cuteness or humour of it wears off, like here, after four in a row...
Hello Ceolachan
you named me for the wrong reason . this is the first time i ever asked about abc s and spoon gave me an answer and i said thanks . Don't ever name me in the same sentence as some of these because ive helped alot more people on this site than people have helped me .
so come again
saint
Been a silent observer of the site for a few years now and have found it quite entertaining at times. Joined once with the idea of posting a sesson but thought better of it. Personally I don't learn tunes from the internet though it's a neat little tool for some I'm sure. Problem is that the tune is only as good as the person who posts it whether it be the way they hear it or their skill using this abc format and such. Tune books can be the same. Different book - different version and some are real dogs. The thing I do like about this site is the reference to the various recordings of a tune. No matter if you fiddle, squeeze a box, spit down a flute or stroke a goat skin etc etc you can find a version from a player you admire. Get a copy and emulate it. That is, until you're so good people emulate you!!! Printed stuff is a good guide to the basic tune but not the be all. Having said that, since this site seems to get around and might be the first port of call for the uninitiated be good if the tunes posted at least maintained the integrity of the tune.
And I also want to add... while I think it's a good thing that people want to write their own tunes, after all that's how they (the tunes) all got a start in the first place, this site really isn't the place to share them or air them. Go blog 'em somewhere else. Recent original tunes get up through continued circulation - maybe at sessions or through being heard a lot for one reason or another and they get played because musicians want to play them and so on and so on.
"Printed stuff is a good guide to the basic tune but not the be all. Having said that, since this site seems to get around and might be the first port of call for the uninitiated be good if the tunes posted at least maintained the integrity of the tune."
Yeah. This is my whole point. The thing about music notation is a different argument. So is the whole composition thing in a way. I'm actually concerned with something far more basic and problematic: tune submissions which *aren't even a bloody tune*, because someone hasn't bothered to learn how to transcribe, and just go lidughb nkfjgbhfdhgnkdfhgnbjkhbn with their keyboard and then click on submit like a complete wazzack. Well you know what? Go right ahead and carry on doing it, but you can be damned sure that when it does I for one am not gonna beat around the bush anymore as a regular, active contributor and user of this site. If I see a sh1t tune, I'm just gonna say it's sh1t. Period.
"The reason I am trying to post in it is because there is no other way!!!!! I wanted to post an orginal tune that I am proud of and thought others would like to hear, I have tried my hardest and all I get is a pile of abuse!!! I read the help section and as far as I am concerned, followed it to the letter. Maybe a little encouragement for starting out musicians like me may want us to carry on learning, rather than give it up, which is, quite frankly, what I feel like doing"
Playing the victim to get the sympathy vote, oh dear. Look, if "giving up" means you're gonna stop posting crap in the tunes section, then great, give up. If it means you want to give up the music, then why would some comments on the internet make you want to do that if you really love the music? The mind boggles.
saint ~ "ceolachan a written appolagy will do." ~ Duh? Whazuh appolagy?
Did you leave your reading glasses at the bottom of the bath water again? I can't see I've mentioned you in a bad sense anywhere here, unless you don't like being associated with those others in that earlier chain of nome-de-plum(e)s?
( Drop me an email if that's at all confusing. )
Hey, another of us 'silent observers' ~ welcome!
Dow: "I for one am not gonna beat around the bush anymore as a regular, active contributor and user of this site. If I see a sh1t tune, I'm just gonna say it's sh1t. Period." ~ you forgot the EXCLAMATION MARK! Heh, heh, sounds like fun...
Yeah, I've tried, but I can't think of anything derogatory to say about the mandolin, even my wife loves them... Maybe we should give up everything else and form a mandolin orchestra, harp guitars also accepted of course, and any other double stringed wonders, so Dow hasn't got to retrain...
He's started, though he's seriously deluded if he thinks I believe this is a 'start' ~ I somehow can't accept this is the first time he's joined the words 'crap' and 'tune' together, can you believe it?
Huh!
The Dow accusing someone else of playing the victim. What a laugh.Trying all the time to make out like it's a poor misunderstood genius among all us philistines, then saying it's not gonna be Mr Nice Guy again, and all that old bollox. What a pillock.
Glad I kept out of this feeble excuse for a discussion.
At the end of the day bren's synopsis is the most accurate:
"I really can't be ersed with this "abc" stuff. It's so 1990s and geeky boys' club..." etc. Me too. What a lot of hot air over nothing.
Hey gramps, don't you know that it's hot air that raises all wings and floats balloons... And 1990s, HA! Can I say it again? ~ What a crock uh shight! It weren't boys or boyos or city folk that first taught me the ABCs, it was old folks in the countryside... Damn ignorance anyway, I hate my own as much as anyone elses. Not knowing is alright, it suggests an openness to learn, but spoutin' off downright shight, like that the ABCs are 1990s, that's just plain ignorance in a bright flourescent orange polyester running suit. DAFT!!! Whatever mind, mouth or keyboard is putting it out...
The last person I expected to repeat that cr*p was you Key... I expected more, and not a repeat of something so lame... I am mortified and disappointed...
Damn, you are a gramps ~ is that drool? Yuck! Don't you know that dark colours make you hotter? Now silver, that would be good on a hot day... And it would be appropriate to your mature status...
As I put in my bio
"and this one is even worse, if that's possible. At high resolution saliva can be seen dripping from the mouthparts and the look in the eyes is truly that of a maniac. Has to be my proudest moment"
Couldn't have been a year ago, c. That race was only last January or Feb. Not a very hot day. Whereas this goddamm Tri I'm doing this Sunday...no wonder I'm so grumpy - I've could've gone up to my caravan this Bank holiday weekend rather than doing a bliddy triathlon (well pretend grumpy - trying to wind up Dow but no success ...yet)
Still, my plan apart from that is to learn at least one of the two Fr. Kelly Jigs: Lough Dearg Jig, or The Easter Day Jig. Both are posted here. Thank goodness for ABC's (Help! What did just say?....)
Thanks for the e-mail Ceol, but sorry to disappoint. Although I learnt rocket science in 7 minutes, ABC.......not in a million years. Anything to do with written music just sends a shudder through me.
Lucky for me that I just seem to be naturally talented. And I do have rather large ears.
Regarding posting original tunes: Jeremy's policy on posting original tunes is clear, so I don't need to add anything to it except that I agree with it. If someone is in violation of that policy then it's up to Jeremy to deal with it.
Regarding ABCs: If someone posts crap ABCs for their own crap original tunes then I think the best thing do is simply ignore it and let it slip into obscurity. If they post crap ABCs to other people's tunes that we might like to have included in the database, or established trad tunes, then we should try to help them make the corrections as best we can and hope that Jeremy cleans up any mess if necessary.
Regarding this ridiculous thread: it's all been a waste of time and space
Regarding this thread: it's all been a waste of time and space
Yes PB, that is mostly what happens, and mostly behind the scenes. Jeremy has enough to do with work, life and this site and can't clean up every mess. Whatever the tune or its source, I believe in the ABCs and will and have offered help, usually appreciated.
Oh, and I ALWAYS tell them they have a freedom of choice on whether to use the '>' and '<', and I always tell them that some folks really don't like swing notated...
(Damn ~ dinner ~ must rush, and I've several 'Someones' who've asked for help ~ with their ABCs... )
Can you read?!
Can you read?!
For christ's sake, why don't people bother to learn abc before they post tunes? Why don't they check their abc using software? Jeremy requests this specifically, and yet it's ignored time and time again.
Ok, I'm just warning you, I've been really patient up till now, but there's a lot of sh1te getting through these days, and I'm sick of wasting my time bringing crap up onto my screen. From now on, I'm going to start saying what I really think about these tunes. You thought I was judgemental and horrible before? Ye ain't seen nuthin' yet.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Dow
Re: Can you read?!
Aw, shut the fvck up for god sake.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Alf Tupper
Re: Can you read?!
Dow, I look forward to your considered opinions
..... and responses from others
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by lazyhound
Re: Can you read?!
No, you don't understand, Key. These people post more crap in the tunes section than you even spout in the discussions. I never thought that was possible!
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Dow
Re: Can you read?!
GO ON DOW!!!!!!!
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by dinn2
Re: Can you read?!
Could you name a few names and point a few fingers, Dow?
I'd like to know who I should be sneering at for their poor ABC postings.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Martin Milner
Re: Can you read?!
Oh I see. So posting:
"You thought I was judgemental and horrible before? Ye ain't seen nuthin' yet."
isn't crap?
Sounds like my wee boy of four and a half when he has a tantrum.
Cop on son.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Alf Tupper
Re: Can you read?!
I thought 'Scotland's Burning' was quite a nice tune, actually. Well, it made me laugh, anyway.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ragaman
Re: Can you read?!
... see ... this is more like it ...
(still not a proper argument though
)
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Can you read?!
Come on Dow name and shame
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Saint
Re: Can you read?!
It's all rubbish. You should NEVER learn from dots or ABCs anyway because it'll just bugger up your ornaments and it's all damaging the youth of today who ought to be shielded from this stuff.
Getting warm Ben?
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Steve Shaw
Re: Can you read?!
F2 AF BFAF| F2 AF EFDE| F2 AF BFAF| G2 FG EFDE|
F2 AF BFAF|F2 AF EFD2| FAA2 BAFA|BABd eddA|
d2dA BAFA| d2 de fgfe| d2 dA BAFA| G2 FG EDFA|
d2 dA BAFA| d2 de fgfe| d2 dA BAFA| G2 FG EFDE|
is this right b4 i start learning it(The Mountain Road)
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Saint
Re: Can you read?!
and this one(out in the ocean)
GE|D2B BAG|BdB A2B|GED G2A|B2B AGE|
D2B BAG|BdB A2B|GED G2A|BGE G:|
Bd|e2e edB|ege edB|d2B def|gfe dBA|
G2A B2d|ege d2B|AGE G2A|BGE G:|
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Saint
Re: Can you read?!
Saint - there both fine, so long as you only ever play them like that once.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ragaman
Re: Can you read?!
thanks spoon
it will probably take me a few years just to play them once anyway.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Saint
Re: Can you read?!
Just recently ~
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7258
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7257
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7254
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7249
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
Some of those ABCs have since been cleaned up, believe it or not...
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
You're all so mean! That Meet Me On the Dance floor tune is one of the most emotionally charged tunes I've ever heard. I tried playing it and couldn't do more than a couble of bars without the emotion of laughter completely overcoming me.
We appreciate tunes which make us feel sad. we appreciate tunes which make us want to dance, why shouldn't we appreciate tunes that have the rare gift of rolling on the floor p*ssing our jeans?
I merely ask....
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Ottery
Re: Can you read?!
Point made...
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
However ~ I wasn't laughing, I was groaning... Maybe I have become a miserable ol' git... Nope, I'm smiling now as I envisage Ottery rollin' around on the floor p*ssin' hisself...
Worse about these is that most of them have actually been offered help with their ABCs ~ quietly in the background, via email, and yet they just go on submitting anyway, and submitting 'my effort at composing'... Does nobody bother to read the FAQs anymore?
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
Dow, benhall, Key, Lazyhound, Ottery, saint, Shaw, Spoon, etc... ~ hmmmm?
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Scary!!!
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
???
What does "FAQ" stand for? Jeez, I thought it was sarf Landon for sex...
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Steve Shaw
Re: Can you read?!
X: 1
T: can you read this?
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: C
|:fac aff:|
:P
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by DubChieftain
Re: Can you read?!
Danny,
You took the bait there...
come on late in the evening and bb....where are you????
Post here in the one thread instead of e mailing each other so we can all read.....
I look forward to it.
tick tock tick tock....
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Hugo Chavez
Re: Can you read?!
Yeah, I was wondering that too... We're not all gathered for the feeding frenzy yet, bad start... I'll go try and wake him up ~ with an email...
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
Must agree with the moans and groans about the ABCs posted without due care. The examples given above by 'c' are typical. There is so much guidance and advice on ABC use on this site that there is really no excuse for such rubbish to be submitted.
Life is too short to have to sift through the garbage on this fine site to find the gems!
D
ps Mark and KML - please less of the blasphemy - I and perhaps others find it offensive
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by domnull
Re: Can you read?!
Tough.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Dow
Re: Can you read?!
Sorry, I'm gonna start being mean to people who annoy me now. Sick of the nicey nicey. I'm with Benhall. Let's get *nasty*!
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Dow
Re: Can you read?!
Maybe a way of stopping all this crap is if you could choose if you wrote it out like sheet music or in ABC format, because for people like me, who don't read or write ABC, it's like another bloody langauge.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by mandolinman
Re: Can you read?!
If it's like a foreign tongue to you, why are you trying to post in it?
abc takes about 5-10 minutes to learn. It's not rocket science.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Dow
Re: Can you read?!
The reason I am trying to post in it is because there is no other way!!!!! I wanted to post an orginal tune that I am proud of and thought others would like to hear, I have tried my hardest and all I get is a pile of abuse!!! I read the help section and as far as I am concerned, followed it to the letter. Maybe a little encouragement for starting out musicians like me may want us to carry on learning, rather than give it up, which is, quite frankly, what I feel like doing
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by mandolinman
Re: Can you read?!
It took me a *little* longer than that Dow, but it's still pretty easy.
And you're dead right - let's start getting to the point ...
So, there's absolutely no excuse for submitting rubbish like the above examples. When it's self-composed as well, and the only conceivable reason for posting it is the self-absorption of the deluded wasters who post this crap - it's bloody outrageous!
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Can you read?!
What a crock of shight mandolinman. You've been emailed before things got public. Help was offered. It was even suggested that you send your attampts at ABCing to one of us to HELP!!! ~ BUT YOU COULDN'T BE BOTHERED... So no excuses for the garbage you've recently cranked out... We tried the nice way with you, more than willing to help, even with a bad tune, but you couldn't be bothered and instead bumbled through again on your own... So you've little cause to moan...
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
Don't take any notice - he's a Brit exiled in Oz. No wonder he's such a miserable bugger. And so very, very young too.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Steve Shaw
Re: Can you read?!
Encouragement? ~ there is a limitless amount to dole out amongst the folks here, mostly who are willing to give aid... But when an ego comes along too large to accept that assistance, and who charges forward without regards for basic courtesy and consideration for the site and its members, which is abusive ~ well, the paitence and the courtesy will quickly erode on this end.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
Actually, I never got any e-mails.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by mandolinman
Re: Can you read?!
On the plus side, though, Steve, as far as I know he doesn't have a beard or play the harmonica.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by benhall.1
Re: Can you read?!
i actually think it is unbelievably cool what kind of tune stuff you can get on this site. i didn't even realize it was there until very recently, and i think it's amazing.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceemonster
Re: Can you read?!
Mandolinman, check your mailbox... Maybe this time it will have reached you...
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
P.S. Mandoman ~ check the 'Comments' again for your recent submission. The probable ABCs are there. You could make the corrections to your submission, if it reads right. As your ABCs currently stand they aren't likely to convert to sheetmusic or to survive the night...
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
While you are at it, you might add some comment here, one of your mystery submissions without comment, like "Morris On" ~
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/6601
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
"Morris Off"
Submitted on January 4th 2007 by mandolinman.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/6595
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
I don't really see what all this abuse directed at Mandolinman is all about. OK, so his ABC transcription wasn't so good, but it's not as if he's a serial ABC-rapist or anything. And actually, I think "Whiskey in a Pint Glass" works quite well if you play it as a polka rather than a reel. He's not doing it to spite or insult anyone, and to be honest, it's perfectly readable if you actually try to read it, rather than just look at it and say, "OMG! How, like, bad is that ABC?!"
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Joe CSS
Re: Can you read?!
I really can't be ersed with this "abc" stuff. It's so 1990s and geeky boys' club. Best thing is just to record tunes on your camera phone or whatever and stick them on Youtube, then post a link, then we can all enjoy it. What could be simpler?
Now where's my dihydrocodeine
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Bren
Re: Can you read?!
I'm me!!!
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by mandolinman
Re: Can you read?!
Who'd have thought....
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Joe CSS
Re: Can you read?!
He was just over your shoulder the whole time... Now you've got Guiness all down your backside...
What abuse?
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
I've got your tricodeine Bren, here, and some rum to chase it down with...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
Why is everyone so willing to come to the rescue of mandolin players?
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
"What a crock of shight", I think, can be counted as abuse.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Joe CSS
Re: Can you read?!
You would have had to have been there Joe, and you weren't...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
Isn't part of the problem that this site lacks a focus on which there can be clear consensus.
Although I've been a member here for some time, I've only been at all active for the last few months, so my perspective may be narrow, but I even have a sense that there is a near consensus that music of interest here does not have to be traditional (in any obvious sense), or Irish (in any unambiguous sense). It seems to be understood as nothing more than a genre thing. So who is going to set boundaries of what is traditional, what is Irish, what is good?
If it weren't for Comhaltas ITM would probably be as significant now as the traditional music of West Bromwich. At least their rules make some kind of sense!
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Lingpupa
Efforts were made to try to help Mandoman and they seemed to be for nought... But maybe we shouldn't try to help? Anyway, yes, that's abuse, and yes, maybe it is best not to answer frustration with calling something a "crock of shight", even if it is? And the there are blessed people in the world whose poo don't stink either...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Can you read?!
Bellman, it wasn't so much the nature of the tunes as the ABCs, which are not as they were originally, in most cases. Also, it was about the FAQs as Jeremy has laid them down, with regards to self-compositions, that on the whole the site isn't about that, but if you are so driven, that one at least have the courtesy to contribute other things first, roughly 5 to 1... It's a discussion that has come up several times in the past...
But the main frustration was with people submitting ABCs without bothering to learn them first, or to accept help and guidance from the many generous people here on site. I don't know anyone, though there may be a few, who wouldn't offer help.
I don't care if it's a tune I like or not. I don't see that really matters. I can always choose from the other thousands on site here. So for me it isn't about the tune, it is about the mess and not bothering to learn the basics of ABCs before slopping a load of it in the tunes section... Like a kid handing your their mud pie ~ "I did this!"
The cuteness or humour of it wears off, like here, after four in a row...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
~ and that was just in the last 24 hours...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
You probably missed the 30-parter ~ UGH!!!
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
"Planxty Garvin"
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7249/comments
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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Good luck with "Sonny's Mazurka" Bellman, it's a good tune for the flute...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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"I'm me!!!"
He's lying!
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ragaman
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He's got white spots on his fingernails.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ragaman
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...which indicates that he probably plays the balalaika.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ragaman
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Hello Ceolachan
you named me for the wrong reason . this is the first time i ever asked about abc s and spoon gave me an answer and i said thanks . Don't ever name me in the same sentence as some of these because ive helped alot more people on this site than people have helped me .
so come again
saint
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Saint
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ceolachan a written appolagy will do.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Saint
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Been a silent observer of the site for a few years now and have found it quite entertaining at times. Joined once with the idea of posting a sesson but thought better of it. Personally I don't learn tunes from the internet though it's a neat little tool for some I'm sure. Problem is that the tune is only as good as the person who posts it whether it be the way they hear it or their skill using this abc format and such. Tune books can be the same. Different book - different version and some are real dogs. The thing I do like about this site is the reference to the various recordings of a tune. No matter if you fiddle, squeeze a box, spit down a flute or stroke a goat skin etc etc you can find a version from a player you admire. Get a copy and emulate it. That is, until you're so good people emulate you!!! Printed stuff is a good guide to the basic tune but not the be all. Having said that, since this site seems to get around and might be the first port of call for the uninitiated be good if the tunes posted at least maintained the integrity of the tune.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by mad for trad
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"What a crock of shight" was not aimed at the person but at the undoubted "crock of shight" that the person felt entitled to inflict on the world.
That's not abuse - that's observation.
Personally, I'm fed up with people pussy-footing around and not saying what they mean, so I say 'Good on ya, ceolachan'.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by benhall.1
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And I also want to add... while I think it's a good thing that people want to write their own tunes, after all that's how they (the tunes) all got a start in the first place, this site really isn't the place to share them or air them. Go blog 'em somewhere else. Recent original tunes get up through continued circulation - maybe at sessions or through being heard a lot for one reason or another and they get played because musicians want to play them and so on and so on.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by mad for trad
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"Printed stuff is a good guide to the basic tune but not the be all. Having said that, since this site seems to get around and might be the first port of call for the uninitiated be good if the tunes posted at least maintained the integrity of the tune."
Yeah. This is my whole point. The thing about music notation is a different argument. So is the whole composition thing in a way. I'm actually concerned with something far more basic and problematic: tune submissions which *aren't even a bloody tune*, because someone hasn't bothered to learn how to transcribe, and just go lidughb nkfjgbhfdhgnkdfhgnbjkhbn with their keyboard and then click on submit like a complete wazzack. Well you know what? Go right ahead and carry on doing it, but you can be damned sure that when it does I for one am not gonna beat around the bush anymore as a regular, active contributor and user of this site. If I see a sh1t tune, I'm just gonna say it's sh1t. Period.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Dow
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"The reason I am trying to post in it is because there is no other way!!!!! I wanted to post an orginal tune that I am proud of and thought others would like to hear, I have tried my hardest and all I get is a pile of abuse!!! I read the help section and as far as I am concerned, followed it to the letter. Maybe a little encouragement for starting out musicians like me may want us to carry on learning, rather than give it up, which is, quite frankly, what I feel like doing"
Playing the victim to get the sympathy vote, oh dear. Look, if "giving up" means you're gonna stop posting crap in the tunes section, then great, give up. If it means you want to give up the music, then why would some comments on the internet make you want to do that if you really love the music? The mind boggles.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Dow
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"Why is everyone so willing to come to the rescue of mandolin players?"
Because a mandolin is just pure SEX!!!!
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Bren
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Especially when you play it, Bren
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Donough
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saint ~ "ceolachan a written appolagy will do." ~ Duh? Whazuh appolagy?
Did you leave your reading glasses at the bottom of the bath water again? I can't see I've mentioned you in a bad sense anywhere here, unless you don't like being associated with those others in that earlier chain of nome-de-plum(e)s?
)
( Drop me an email if that's at all confusing.
Hey, another of us 'silent observers' ~ welcome!
Dow: "I for one am not gonna beat around the bush anymore as a regular, active contributor and user of this site. If I see a sh1t tune, I'm just gonna say it's sh1t. Period." ~ you forgot the EXCLAMATION MARK! Heh, heh, sounds like fun...
Yeah, I've tried, but I can't think of anything derogatory to say about the mandolin, even my wife loves them... Maybe we should give up everything else and form a mandolin orchestra, harp guitars also accepted of course, and any other double stringed wonders, so Dow hasn't got to retrain...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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He's started, though he's seriously deluded if he thinks I believe this is a 'start' ~ I somehow can't accept this is the first time he's joined the words 'crap' and 'tune' together, can you believe it?
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/6601/comments
Maybe we should gather past evidence?
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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Dow, benhall, Key, Lazyhound, Ottery, saint, Shaw, Spoon, etc... ~ hmmmm?
Please don t put me in the same sentence as Dow.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Saint
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Is that awl? You're on the same thread with him and these others enough times that I'd thought by now your skin would be like elephant hide...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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"If you flee wi' the craws, you get shot with them"
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Johannes J
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Huh!
The Dow accusing someone else of playing the victim. What a laugh.Trying all the time to make out like it's a poor misunderstood genius among all us philistines, then saying it's not gonna be Mr Nice Guy again, and all that old bollox. What a pillock.
Glad I kept out of this feeble excuse for a discussion.
At the end of the day bren's synopsis is the most accurate:
"I really can't be ersed with this "abc" stuff. It's so 1990s and geeky boys' club..." etc. Me too. What a lot of hot air over nothing.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Alf Tupper
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Calm down, grandpa.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Dow
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Hot damn that's a good un John J...
Hey gramps, don't you know that it's hot air that raises all wings and floats balloons... And 1990s, HA! Can I say it again? ~ What a crock uh shight! It weren't boys or boyos or city folk that first taught me the ABCs, it was old folks in the countryside... Damn ignorance anyway, I hate my own as much as anyone elses. Not knowing is alright, it suggests an openness to learn, but spoutin' off downright shight, like that the ABCs are 1990s, that's just plain ignorance in a bright flourescent orange polyester running suit. DAFT!!! Whatever mind, mouth or keyboard is putting it out...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
The last person I expected to repeat that cr*p was you Key... I expected more, and not a repeat of something so lame... I am mortified and disappointed...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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good
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Alf Tupper
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You couldn't stay away from a good muck-up could you boyo? I bet you'd be fun in a mudflats race... That would be a blast, you and the rest of us...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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I wouldn't wear that bright orange polyester running suit though if I were you... Polyester and mud just don't mix well...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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Discussion: Can you write?
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by John J
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/13859
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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no bright orange. club colours only:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kentac/379222344/
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Alf Tupper
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Damn, you are a gramps ~ is that drool? Yuck! Don't you know that dark colours make you hotter? Now silver, that would be good on a hot day... And it would be appropriate to your mature status...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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Damn, I just remembered seeing that same picture more than a year ago... Do you ever buy new clothes, or is that permanently fixed?
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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As I put in my bio
"and this one is even worse, if that's possible. At high resolution saliva can be seen dripping from the mouthparts and the look in the eyes is truly that of a maniac. Has to be my proudest moment"
Couldn't have been a year ago, c. That race was only last January or Feb. Not a very hot day. Whereas this goddamm Tri I'm doing this Sunday...no wonder I'm so grumpy - I've could've gone up to my caravan this Bank holiday weekend rather than doing a bliddy triathlon (well pretend grumpy - trying to wind up Dow but no success ...yet)
Still, my plan apart from that is to learn at least one of the two Fr. Kelly Jigs: Lough Dearg Jig, or The Easter Day Jig. Both are posted here. Thank goodness for ABC's (Help! What did just say?....)
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Alf Tupper
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Thanks for the e-mail Ceol, but sorry to disappoint. Although I learnt rocket science in 7 minutes, ABC.......not in a million years. Anything to do with written music just sends a shudder through me.
Lucky for me that I just seem to be naturally talented. And I do have rather large ears.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by bodhran bliss
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I'd take good ears over reading music off a page any day...
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by ceolachan
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Regarding posting original tunes: Jeremy's policy on posting original tunes is clear, so I don't need to add anything to it except that I agree with it. If someone is in violation of that policy then it's up to Jeremy to deal with it.
Regarding ABCs: If someone posts crap ABCs for their own crap original tunes then I think the best thing do is simply ignore it and let it slip into obscurity. If they post crap ABCs to other people's tunes that we might like to have included in the database, or established trad tunes, then we should try to help them make the corrections as best we can and hope that Jeremy cleans up any mess if necessary.
Regarding this ridiculous thread: it's all been a waste of time and space
Regarding this thread: it's all been a waste of time and space
# Posted on May 26th 2007 by Phantom Button
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Wow... how did that happen?
# Posted on May 26th 2007 by Phantom Button
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A hole in the time and space continuum
# Posted on May 26th 2007 by Bren
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Yes PB, that is mostly what happens, and mostly behind the scenes. Jeremy has enough to do with work, life and this site and can't clean up every mess. Whatever the tune or its source, I believe in the ABCs and will and have offered help, usually appreciated.
Oh, and I ALWAYS tell them they have a freedom of choice on whether to use the '>' and '<', and I always tell them that some folks really don't like swing notated...
(Damn ~ dinner ~ must rush, and I've several 'Someones' who've asked for help ~ with their ABCs...
)
# Posted on May 26th 2007 by ceolachan
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PB: "Regarding this ridiculous thread: it's all been a waste of time and space"
Um, why would you post on it then? Duh.
# Posted on May 27th 2007 by Dow
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Oh my god! I go away for a little while and this is what you lot get up to! Hilarious!
# Posted on May 28th 2007 by shoddy fiddle player
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Pathetic isn't it
# Posted on May 29th 2007 by Joe CSS
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Do some of you muppets live in a pond?
# Posted on July 24th 2007 by imahappycamper