The People of the year award is to include a one-off award for the greatest living Irish musician....
There are some details at breakingnews.ie, but the URL given in the article doesn't exist.
So - who's your nomination? For me, it's got to be Donal Lunny.
.... and who do you think might win it?
"it has to be beyond a shadow of a doubt
Paul Hewson aka 'BONO'"
That's why such an award is a nonsense. You can't really compare Bono with Donal Lunny or even Donal Lunny with a good fiddler, piper, flute player either.
Is the award for an Irish music player or just a musician from Ireland(any genre)? If it's an Irish Music player, are players such as Michael McGoldrick, Kevin Burke etc eligible?
Also, the greatest living Irish musician might be sitting in a pub in Co Clare and who would know?
BTW, *Irish* musician?
I guess that rules out Seamus Egan, Mick Mulvey, Billy McComiskey, Alec Finn, Niall Keegan, and so on, none of whom I believe were born in Ireland (26 counties that is.)
So these are the possible definitions of the person you are seeking:
Born in Ireland (Eire) plays any music.
Born in Ireland (Eire + Northern Ireland) plays any music.
Born in Ireland (Eire) plays nominally “Irish” music.
Born in Ireland (Eire + Northern Ireland) plays nominally “Irish” music.
Born anywhere but has an “Irish” name and plays any music.
Born anywhere but has an “Irish” name and plays nominally “Irish” music.
Born anywhere plays nominally “Irish” music.
Born anywhere and plays any music but thinks of themselves as “Irish”.
I have to say also, I have met some astounding musicians who are in no way famous.
I think Tommy peoples is a genius, and Paddy Keenan, but I think Joe McKenna is up in the same league on pipes too. Mary Bergin on Whistle. Jimmy Keane from bohola is astounding.... there are many locals around here though that could hold a candle to them all though but are not famous, though have left people floored. Dermot Grogan for example was one of the best flute players I could imagine. Shame he is passed, he often turned up around NY and NJ as the sessions.
The Irish musician that makes the greatest living is probably Bono. James Galway and Shane McGowan must be up there somewhere as well. Does Nigel Kennedy count as irish? Paul McCartney?
Ravi Shankar, Cliff Richards, Frank Zappa, Ludwig van Beethoven, Bob Marley, Kenneth McKeller, Barry Manilow, Joe Strummer, Curtis Mayfield, Django Reinhardt, Dizzee Rascal, Dizzy Gillespie, Igor Stravinsky, Jimi Hendrix, Chas Hodges and Dave Peacock...all Irish?
To answer the question as it was intended, there are just too many. As Iris says, there are great musicians that are known only to their friends or to those who chance upon them in sessions. And every musician has their own take on the music. No single musician has everything - no matter how good a musician is, thjere is always another one who has something that they don't have. I went to see Frankie Gavin in concert about 10 days ago - his musical brilliance was truly dazzling (as was that of his playing partner [I deliberately choose this term rather than 'backer'] Tim Edey on guitar. The two of them deserve each other!) But there is, without a doubt, something lacking from his playing, that is to be heard in the playing of some older, or more orthodox players. Danny Meehan, on the other hand, needs only to put bow to string, and he creates instant enchantment.
Anyway, I decline from giving definitive answer because, 1. it's only my opinion, 2. I might give a different answer tomorrow and 3. there can be hidden greatness in seemingly ordinary musicians, that only emerges when the pollen count is right.
The two fiddlers I mentioned above are just the two examples that happened to spring to mind at the time.
And Barry Manilow is a nice Jewish boy from Brooklyn. Who's had more plastic surgery than Joan Rivers. (sorry, can't help it, there are 5 foot posters of his face plastered up everywhere around here and you can't help but notice...)
SO nobody concurs with me on Donal Lunny - well, he's not the purist's fancy, but he has probably influenced more musicians and produced more music in his career than most in the realms of folk, traditional, or pop or rock for that matter, than any Irish musician I can think of.
I suppose the term "greatest XXXXXX musician" is always going to be subjective anyway, and I have to agree that there are a lot more musicians deserving of recognition than Mr. Lunny. Of those mentioned here, I'd go along with Tommy Peoples, Frankie Gavin and Paddy Keenan, as well as the hidden greatness in seemingly ordinary musicians.
I'd also like to add Paddy Moloney to the mix, just for the fun of it.
.... and by the way, Bono can feck off on this one!
For me, questions like this are similar to the proverbial car wreck: I want to turn away, but I can't help myself.
Intellectually, I disdain the whole notion of annointing one person the "greatest," but then there's the part of me that sez:
Whaddabout Seamus Connolly?
How about the likes of Peter Horun, Paddy Canny, Peadar O'Loughlin, or Paddy Fahey? These are the types that come to my mind when I think of the greatest living musicians. Theses musicians are the inspiration of many of the great musicians noted earlier in this thread.
I can't understand why Donal Lunny would even be considered for such an accolade. Much of the praise he recieves should instead be rightly directed towards Johnny Moynihan or Andy Irvine. And as for his influence, I think he is responsible for a whole generation of unsubtle bouzouki-bashers. Not his fault of course. For what it's worth, my nominee for what is really a meaningless award is Paddy Keenan.
It's a bit mad, right enough. What if they present the same award next year? Does it keep going to the same person until they die? I can just picture Donal Lunny recruiting hit squads in Ballyfermot to do-in Paddy Keenan.
I think we all concur that it is impossible in good conscience to narrow the field to one. As a flute player, it is my opinion that the world of Irish flute playing would not be what it is today without the influence of Matt Malloy. Therefore, he gets my vote, but not because there aren't others who are equally worthy.
Okay. . .MATT'S THE BEST - F@#$ THE REST!!!!
Um. . .sorry. . .had to get that out. I'm okay, now.
Ah... another Irish musician popularity thread. In this case the requirement is that the person has a pulse. Let's make all your favorites get mentioned. Then let's have another favorite CD thread... and then a favorite band thread... favorite instrument thread... tune... song... pub... whiskey... and then start all over again.
well, i'm with the contingent who says there are too many, but my take on "greatness" in this context is much like that of FiddleMeThis. if forced to name one, i guess i'd name Paddy Canny.
Yup. In person. And I'm sooooo sorry I used my real name when I signed up.
It should have been FiddleFingers, or Steabh, or some name spelled backwards.
Ah, but at least you didn't ask if I was the professional wrestler by that name - that's to your credit, Bliss.
I only posted it because I spotted the item in the news and I knew it would stir a few passions and exasperate a few heads. It's like fish in a barrel!
I stand by my Donal Lunny vote, mind you. But I *am* a bodhran player.
Re Our Kylie, and "little bit of Irish in her" she has often had in her touring band as bass player , a Joe Creighton, a big Irishman from Belfast, now of Melbourne. I was talking to Joe after a pub gig a couple of years ago (in which he sang She Moved Through the Fair accompanied only by himself on electric bass - it was great but you had to be there), and he told me how KM would sit on his lap and his big hands would encircle her waist almost exactly . And other details which I prefer not to share on a public forum.
Isn't ex-President Clinton Irish? They most of them are, or pretend to be; and when he was not inhaling, or up to other things, I assume he strummed a few guitar chords in his youth (which is a few more than a lot of household names in pure drop trad will have done).
This would make him unquestionably the world's greatest living Irish musician.
I'm assuming that the question refers to Irish Traditional Musicians. Somebody actually said 'Donal Lunny'...For God's sake, has anybody ever came across Donal Lunny playing jigs and reels on his jack for two hours non stop in the corner of some pub. No...neither have I. Come to think of it has anybody ever heard him playing on his own???? He is a good backing musician, but so is the guitarist that plays with me. There are too many good musicians still alive to pick a winner, so all you can do is pick your favourite. Top people for me would be Paddy Glacken-Seamus Shannon-Joe Burke - Martin O'Connor-Cahal Hayden-Gerry O'Connor- Paddy Maloney- Liam Flynn-Liz Carrol, the list goes on..........
Greatest Living Irish Musician
Greatest Living Irish Musician
The People of the year award is to include a one-off award for the greatest living Irish musician....
There are some details at breakingnews.ie, but the URL given in the article doesn't exist.
So - who's your nomination? For me, it's got to be Donal Lunny.
.... and who do you think might win it?
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by RockyRoader
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Donal Lunny eh?
Oh dear God...
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by tradshark
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it has to be beond a shadow of a doubt
Paul Hewson aka 'BONO'
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by balledfan
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Shane MacGowan (Still Living, Just About)
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Button Box
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Paddy Keenan. Hands down.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by boc
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"it has to be beyond a shadow of a doubt
Paul Hewson aka 'BONO'"
That's why such an award is a nonsense. You can't really compare Bono with Donal Lunny or even Donal Lunny with a good fiddler, piper, flute player either.
Is the award for an Irish music player or just a musician from Ireland(any genre)? If it's an Irish Music player, are players such as Michael McGoldrick, Kevin Burke etc eligible?
Also, the greatest living Irish musician might be sitting in a pub in Co Clare and who would know?
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Johannes J
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What about entering each member of Dervish.......see how they get on this time...........
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Alf Tupper
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BTW, *Irish* musician?
I guess that rules out Seamus Egan, Mick Mulvey, Billy McComiskey, Alec Finn, Niall Keegan, and so on, none of whom I believe were born in Ireland (26 counties that is.)
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Alf Tupper
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Matt Molloy, Tommy Peoples, Paddy Keenan
That's the 1-2-3
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Conán McDonnell
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So these are the possible definitions of the person you are seeking:
Born in Ireland (Eire) plays any music.
Born in Ireland (Eire + Northern Ireland) plays any music.
Born in Ireland (Eire) plays nominally “Irish” music.
Born in Ireland (Eire + Northern Ireland) plays nominally “Irish” music.
Born anywhere but has an “Irish” name and plays any music.
Born anywhere but has an “Irish” name and plays nominally “Irish” music.
Born anywhere plays nominally “Irish” music.
Born anywhere and plays any music but thinks of themselves as “Irish”.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by yhaalhouse
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Are you kidding, just ONE?
I have to say also, I have met some astounding musicians who are in no way famous.
I think Tommy peoples is a genius, and Paddy Keenan, but I think Joe McKenna is up in the same league on pipes too. Mary Bergin on Whistle. Jimmy Keane from bohola is astounding.... there are many locals around here though that could hold a candle to them all though but are not famous, though have left people floored. Dermot Grogan for example was one of the best flute players I could imagine. Shame he is passed, he often turned up around NY and NJ as the sessions.
So unfair a question....!
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by irisnevins
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Johnny Logan.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Sinocal
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The Irish musician that makes the greatest living is probably Bono. James Galway and Shane McGowan must be up there somewhere as well. Does Nigel Kennedy count as irish? Paul McCartney?
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by ragaman
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Ravi Shankar, Cliff Richards, Frank Zappa, Ludwig van Beethoven, Bob Marley, Kenneth McKeller, Barry Manilow, Joe Strummer, Curtis Mayfield, Django Reinhardt, Dizzee Rascal, Dizzy Gillespie, Igor Stravinsky, Jimi Hendrix, Chas Hodges and Dave Peacock...all Irish?
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by yhaalhouse
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Bryan McFadden
(I think he had it changed from Bri with an "i" to Bry with a "y")
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Hugo Chavez
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But surely Delta Goodrem would get the accolade by proxy? She's far better than Bryan
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Conán McDonnell
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I like James Kelly myself. He's a frickin legend.
Then again theres willie down my local who playes the beermat like youve never seen. He truly is an undescovered musical genius.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by session savage
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Martin o conner
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Saint
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To answer the question as it was intended, there are just too many. As Iris says, there are great musicians that are known only to their friends or to those who chance upon them in sessions. And every musician has their own take on the music. No single musician has everything - no matter how good a musician is, thjere is always another one who has something that they don't have. I went to see Frankie Gavin in concert about 10 days ago - his musical brilliance was truly dazzling (as was that of his playing partner [I deliberately choose this term rather than 'backer'] Tim Edey on guitar. The two of them deserve each other!) But there is, without a doubt, something lacking from his playing, that is to be heard in the playing of some older, or more orthodox players. Danny Meehan, on the other hand, needs only to put bow to string, and he creates instant enchantment.
Anyway, I decline from giving definitive answer because, 1. it's only my opinion, 2. I might give a different answer tomorrow and 3. there can be hidden greatness in seemingly ordinary musicians, that only emerges when the pollen count is right.
The two fiddlers I mentioned above are just the two examples that happened to spring to mind at the time.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by ragaman
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Yep - James Kelly's another one. Seanie McDonagh, box player from Connemara, residing in London.
yhaalhouse - Don't be silly, Dizzy Gillespie was Scots. Anyway, less than half the musicians in your list are still living.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by ragaman
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And Barry Manilow is a nice Jewish boy from Brooklyn. Who's had more plastic surgery than Joan Rivers. (sorry, can't help it, there are 5 foot posters of his face plastered up everywhere around here and you can't help but notice...)
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by kennedy
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Martin Donohoe, a true gent, a fantastic box player and someone who dedicates his time to the promotion and staging of his local heritage.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by strayaway
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I have to see seeing Gerry O conner live gave me goosebumps! he has an x-factor when he plays.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by fap
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should have read "I have to say"
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by fap
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SO nobody concurs with me on Donal Lunny - well, he's not the purist's fancy, but he has probably influenced more musicians and produced more music in his career than most in the realms of folk, traditional, or pop or rock for that matter, than any Irish musician I can think of.
I suppose the term "greatest XXXXXX musician" is always going to be subjective anyway, and I have to agree that there are a lot more musicians deserving of recognition than Mr. Lunny. Of those mentioned here, I'd go along with Tommy Peoples, Frankie Gavin and Paddy Keenan, as well as the hidden greatness in seemingly ordinary musicians.
I'd also like to add Paddy Moloney to the mix, just for the fun of it.
.... and by the way, Bono can feck off on this one!
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by RockyRoader
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The Minogues are Irish aren't they?
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Bren
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Who? Kylie?? I dont think so but if she ever wanted a little irish in her..... i would
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by session savage
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For me, questions like this are similar to the proverbial car wreck: I want to turn away, but I can't help myself.
Intellectually, I disdain the whole notion of annointing one person the "greatest," but then there's the part of me that sez:
Whaddabout Seamus Connolly?
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by sts
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Deirdre Browne
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Kheelch
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How do you make Barry Manilow's nose a mile long?
Fold it in half.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Conán McDonnell
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How about the likes of Peter Horun, Paddy Canny, Peadar O'Loughlin, or Paddy Fahey? These are the types that come to my mind when I think of the greatest living musicians. Theses musicians are the inspiration of many of the great musicians noted earlier in this thread.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by RogueFiddler
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I can't understand why Donal Lunny would even be considered for such an accolade. Much of the praise he recieves should instead be rightly directed towards Johnny Moynihan or Andy Irvine. And as for his influence, I think he is responsible for a whole generation of unsubtle bouzouki-bashers. Not his fault of course. For what it's worth, my nominee for what is really a meaningless award is Paddy Keenan.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by molaoch
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It's a bit mad, right enough. What if they present the same award next year? Does it keep going to the same person until they die? I can just picture Donal Lunny recruiting hit squads in Ballyfermot to do-in Paddy Keenan.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Conán McDonnell
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My nickname is "carlsberg".
And if Donal Lunny is mentioned, well, I would be in with a shout.
I can think of thousands more deserving than me, but Lunny is not one of them.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by bodhran bliss
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EM HELLO THERE PEOPLE WHY HAS IT TAKEN YOU SO LONG TO MENTION MICHAEL MCGOLDRICK.
HES DONE SO MUCH FOR TRAD.
AND IS A GREAT ALL ROUND MUSICIAN...
HE IS DEFINATELY THE BEST MUSICIAN ON THE PLANET.
AND BTW DONAL LUNNY IS A FUPPIN LEGEND TOO.....
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by musical soul
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I think we all concur that it is impossible in good conscience to narrow the field to one. As a flute player, it is my opinion that the world of Irish flute playing would not be what it is today without the influence of Matt Malloy. Therefore, he gets my vote, but not because there aren't others who are equally worthy.
Okay. . .MATT'S THE BEST - F@#$ THE REST!!!!
Um. . .sorry. . .had to get that out. I'm okay, now.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Ailin
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for a great clip of matt molloy(oneof my heroes type in Matt Molloy and Donal Lunny in to Youtube)
you aint gonna hear the bucks like that
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by musical soul
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"How about the likes of Peter Horun, Paddy Canny, Peadar O'Loughlin, or Paddy Fahey?"
Exactly why I can't give a definitive answer.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by ragaman
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Me. ... .. why not?
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Farr
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and course there's Molly Hayes
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Kheelch
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Ah... another Irish musician popularity thread. In this case the requirement is that the person has a pulse. Let's make all your favorites get mentioned. Then let's have another favorite CD thread... and then a favorite band thread... favorite instrument thread... tune... song... pub... whiskey... and then start all over again.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by Phantom Button
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well, i'm with the contingent who says there are too many, but my take on "greatness" in this context is much like that of FiddleMeThis. if forced to name one, i guess i'd name Paddy Canny.
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by ceemonster
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I dont want to vote for myself, so i'l go for paddy keenan
# Posted on May 23rd 2007 by copo24
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My favourite is Liam Og, which is all you can say, as "Greatest" is a matter of choice.
And to clear up a few points.
Don't know about Nigel Kennedy but Brian Kennedy is Irish
The Minnogues are ALL from Tipperary.
And "Session Savage" as for "If she wants a LITTLE Irish in her", well you said it. And this site should not be used to air personal problems.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by bodhran bliss
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Kevin Burke. No question.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Steve Austin
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Is that the six million dollar man?
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by bodhran bliss
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Jackie Daly,Tommy peoples,cathal hayden and ringo. how about arty mcglynn , seamus tansey and daniel o donnell
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Saint
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Yup. In person. And I'm sooooo sorry I used my real name when I signed up.
It should have been FiddleFingers, or Steabh, or some name spelled backwards.
Ah, but at least you didn't ask if I was the professional wrestler by that name - that's to your credit, Bliss.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Steve Austin
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Joni Mitchell says she's Irish too.......
(Canadian Irish, that is)
My vote goes for Paddy Keenan however.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by morning star
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i agree with Conán McDonnell.
Matt Molloy, Tommy Peoples, Paddy Keenan
its too hard to say... i assume this award is given annually?
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by SamW
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This is a one-off award.
I only posted it because I spotted the item in the news and I knew it would stir a few passions and exasperate a few heads. It's like fish in a barrel!
I stand by my Donal Lunny vote, mind you. But I *am* a bodhran player.
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by RockyRoader
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Is Val Doonican still alive?
# Posted on May 24th 2007 by Ottery
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He is, apparently. And he's Irish.
Two out of four, I suppose.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by RockyRoader
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Well, If he's alive, I nominate him.
Paddy McGinty's Goat
O'Rafferty's Motor Car
Paddy K. eat your heart out!
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Ottery
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What about Bing Crosby?
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by mcknowall
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PECKER DUNNE!!!!
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Farr
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Ottski - Val Doonican is very much alive - he "did" Catford recently:
http://www.thesession.org/events/display/301
at least he was alive at the beginning of April this year.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Alf Tupper
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Good Grief ! Is the Pecker still alive ?
I wouldn´t have thought his lifestyle was conducive to longevity.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by murfbox
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Thank you Steve. In Europe they have champion league soccer now instead of wrestling. The wrestling was less obviously fixed.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by bodhran bliss
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Re Our Kylie, and "little bit of Irish in her" she has often had in her touring band as bass player , a Joe Creighton, a big Irishman from Belfast, now of Melbourne. I was talking to Joe after a pub gig a couple of years ago (in which he sang She Moved Through the Fair accompanied only by himself on electric bass - it was great but you had to be there), and he told me how KM would sit on his lap and his big hands would encircle her waist almost exactly . And other details which I prefer not to share on a public forum.
# Posted on May 25th 2007 by Bren
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Isn't ex-President Clinton Irish? They most of them are, or pretend to be; and when he was not inhaling, or up to other things, I assume he strummed a few guitar chords in his youth (which is a few more than a lot of household names in pure drop trad will have done).
This would make him unquestionably the world's greatest living Irish musician.
# Posted on May 26th 2007 by nicholas
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I'm assuming that the question refers to Irish Traditional Musicians. Somebody actually said 'Donal Lunny'...For God's sake, has anybody ever came across Donal Lunny playing jigs and reels on his jack for two hours non stop in the corner of some pub. No...neither have I. Come to think of it has anybody ever heard him playing on his own???? He is a good backing musician, but so is the guitarist that plays with me. There are too many good musicians still alive to pick a winner, so all you can do is pick your favourite. Top people for me would be Paddy Glacken-Seamus Shannon-Joe Burke - Martin O'Connor-Cahal Hayden-Gerry O'Connor- Paddy Maloney- Liam Flynn-Liz Carrol, the list goes on..........
# Posted on June 4th 2007 by Free Reed