By the way...I use it as a tune search engine to find out the names of the different musicians who've recorded whatever specific tune I need. Some days, I come up with nothing, and some days, it seems everyone who's into trad is on at the same time. Since I'm not familiar with tunes and commercial artists, this has been a great way to find out who recorded what. Then I go online and search for the CDs. When I couldn't find one particular CD after searching online, I messaged the person who listed it in the peer-to-peer, and they were kind enough to look up the address on the jacket of the CD.
I've been thinking about the logistics of sending recordings of sessions over the net. A 1-hour session recorded in cd-compatible wav format would be about 550MB. No way you could send that lot raw over the net. You have to compress it, and if you convert to mp3 at 64kbps (probably the minimum for half-decent sound quality) you'll have a 25 MB file. That is still an enormous load to send, even with broadband, which many don't have, and would take at least 90 minutes even under ideal internet conditions, which rarely prevail. And I haven't even considered the effects such loading will have on server bandwidth and what happens if there's a glitch in such a long transmission.
It may be a better prospect to send the sound of the session live out over the internet and record it in real time at the receiving end, but the quality wouldn't be particularly great, and you'd need the right software and hardware.
As far as sending recordings is concerned, I am therefore persuaded that a cassette or cd sent by snail-mail may be preferable.
You could always stream the music using RealAudio; obviously the host machine would need some spare hard-disk space, or you could set it up to stream from a CD drive but in either case the server would need a bit of oomph. And of course the server owner would have to be generous enough to fork out a few quid for the conversion software to create the .RAM files (assuming we're working legitimately). Other than that, not a huge problem, as the client machines would only need enough free space for the buffer, a decent connection speed and a free evaluation copy of RealAudio.
Are you saying it's possible??? Or possible--along with too expensive--to do? Does the process play the music in real time (and can it be saved like that)? Or download it (and take forever doing it) to be played after download?
Ok...so I'd have to copy my session recording into the puter and convert it into what file type? Then how would I stream it over RealAudio to my friend? I'm not a puter techie, but I am bulldog and detective enough along with techie friends to figure my way through it if it's possible.
When I was in my old rock band, we had sound files up on our website - as mp3s and as RealAudio files. I was lucky in that we had free server space - but you can get quite a bit of space for not much money these days, can't you?
Would this perhaps be more convenient than sending files? Don't know if I've understood this thread fully though... perhaps that was what Conan meant...
That's what I do, Helen. I have quite a few mp3s on my website to share with friends, I don't generally stream because that takes more oomph out of a server than a loaddown. I ask that people load down rather than play it off the server, because I used to work for my ISP, and they kindly let me have the space for free -- so I'd feel badly about server resources being taken up with streaming. *sigh* They're trying to sell their business. Won't have free space for long...dang.
Hi
I think Helen has got the gist of what I meant. You can listen to the session either as a recording or in real time (if you have the right equipment at your session). I have posted a link in the links section to a site describing how to do this. As Zina points out, however, and as I mentioned before, it does put quite a strain on the server, especially if you have many people accessing the file simultaneously.
Is your goal to share the session tape with a single person or multiple individuals? With the single person, mailing it would be just as time consuming as uploading it to a hosting site. One way to decrease the size would be to both create mp3s (which will compress the content) and to subdivide the session into sets which would allow you to send them as separate batches.
If your goal is to send the file to multiple individuals, you might look into BitTorrent or Swarmcast. These are p2p file sharing programs that signficantly decrease the amount of information that is sent by organizing clients to exchange information they have already received with other clients thereby decreasing the load on the person providing the file. (Do a google search on either of these to find more information.)
If your streaming live you can get real creator (I think the names right) and stream live from your desktop all you would need is a bit of space on an internet server, for a link which would redirect people to the stream from your desktop, hope that info titbit is of some help:->
Share session recordings over internet.
Share session recordings over internet.
Have any of you ever tried sharing recordings of sessions over WinMX (or another peer-to-peer file transfer medium)?
# Posted on February 4th 2003 by katiebythegate
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
By the way...I use it as a tune search engine to find out the names of the different musicians who've recorded whatever specific tune I need. Some days, I come up with nothing, and some days, it seems everyone who's into trad is on at the same time. Since I'm not familiar with tunes and commercial artists, this has been a great way to find out who recorded what. Then I go online and search for the CDs. When I couldn't find one particular CD after searching online, I messaged the person who listed it in the peer-to-peer, and they were kind enough to look up the address on the jacket of the CD.
# Posted on February 4th 2003 by katiebythegate
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
I've been thinking about the logistics of sending recordings of sessions over the net. A 1-hour session recorded in cd-compatible wav format would be about 550MB. No way you could send that lot raw over the net. You have to compress it, and if you convert to mp3 at 64kbps (probably the minimum for half-decent sound quality) you'll have a 25 MB file. That is still an enormous load to send, even with broadband, which many don't have, and would take at least 90 minutes even under ideal internet conditions, which rarely prevail. And I haven't even considered the effects such loading will have on server bandwidth and what happens if there's a glitch in such a long transmission.
It may be a better prospect to send the sound of the session live out over the internet and record it in real time at the receiving end, but the quality wouldn't be particularly great, and you'd need the right software and hardware.
As far as sending recordings is concerned, I am therefore persuaded that a cassette or cd sent by snail-mail may be preferable.
Any comments from the experts please?
# Posted on February 5th 2003 by lazyhound
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
I Think that Trevor is right on this one, 25Mb is a really big file, so I'd go with sending a tape or Mini Disc by the post
# Posted on February 5th 2003 by Dafydd Monks
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
You could always stream the music using RealAudio; obviously the host machine would need some spare hard-disk space, or you could set it up to stream from a CD drive but in either case the server would need a bit of oomph. And of course the server owner would have to be generous enough to fork out a few quid for the conversion software to create the .RAM files (assuming we're working legitimately). Other than that, not a huge problem, as the client machines would only need enough free space for the buffer, a decent connection speed and a free evaluation copy of RealAudio.
# Posted on February 5th 2003 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
Conan,
Are you saying it's possible??? Or possible--along with too expensive--to do? Does the process play the music in real time (and can it be saved like that)? Or download it (and take forever doing it) to be played after download?
Ok...so I'd have to copy my session recording into the puter and convert it into what file type? Then how would I stream it over RealAudio to my friend? I'm not a puter techie, but I am bulldog and detective enough along with techie friends to figure my way through it if it's possible.
# Posted on February 6th 2003 by katiebythegate
and would you give me an idea of the conversion softwares you recommend?
Thanks for the input!
Stace
# Posted on February 6th 2003 by katiebythegate
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
When I was in my old rock band, we had sound files up on our website - as mp3s and as RealAudio files. I was lucky in that we had free server space - but you can get quite a bit of space for not much money these days, can't you?
Would this perhaps be more convenient than sending files? Don't know if I've understood this thread fully though... perhaps that was what Conan meant...
# Posted on February 6th 2003 by Nell
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
That's what I do, Helen. I have quite a few mp3s on my website to share with friends, I don't generally stream because that takes more oomph out of a server than a loaddown. I ask that people load down rather than play it off the server, because I used to work for my ISP, and they kindly let me have the space for free -- so I'd feel badly about server resources being taken up with streaming. *sigh* They're trying to sell their business. Won't have free space for long...dang.
Zina
# Posted on February 6th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
Hi
I think Helen has got the gist of what I meant. You can listen to the session either as a recording or in real time (if you have the right equipment at your session). I have posted a link in the links section to a site describing how to do this. As Zina points out, however, and as I mentioned before, it does put quite a strain on the server, especially if you have many people accessing the file simultaneously.
# Posted on February 6th 2003 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
Is your goal to share the session tape with a single person or multiple individuals? With the single person, mailing it would be just as time consuming as uploading it to a hosting site. One way to decrease the size would be to both create mp3s (which will compress the content) and to subdivide the session into sets which would allow you to send them as separate batches.
If your goal is to send the file to multiple individuals, you might look into BitTorrent or Swarmcast. These are p2p file sharing programs that signficantly decrease the amount of information that is sent by organizing clients to exchange information they have already received with other clients thereby decreasing the load on the person providing the file. (Do a google search on either of these to find more information.)
# Posted on February 7th 2003 by A1dan
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
If your streaming live you can get real creator (I think the names right) and stream live from your desktop all you would need is a bit of space on an internet server, for a link which would redirect people to the stream from your desktop, hope that info titbit is of some help:->
# Posted on February 7th 2003 by Dafydd Monks
Re: Share session recordings over internet.
Thanks everyone! I'll play around with the information you've shared and see how it all works.
# Posted on February 7th 2003 by katiebythegate