I'm trying to track down the origin of some of the tunes we play at our session, and I've done pretty well so far, but I am completely stomped by three tunes. I can find absolutely nothing on these three tunes. Can anybody help?
The first one is a reel and the closest thing I could find is the A part of The Humours of Castlefin and the B part of Humours of Barrack Street. The fiddler who brought it to our session knows it as The Devil's Dream, but I can find no reference for a reel by that name.
X:1
T:Unknown Reel
M:4/4
L:1/8
R:Reel
K:BMin
BE ~E2 BcdB|AD ~D2 DFAd|BE ~E2 B3f|1 gfed Beee:|2 gfed Beef||
||gebe gbeg|gfee BBef|gebe gbef|gfed Beef|
gebe gbeg|gfee Bdef|g2g2 fgaf|gfed Beef||
The closest thing I could find to this jig is Willie's Single, or rather the ancestor tune for Willie's Single, which is an unknown jig from Levey's Dance Music of Ireland, 2nd Collection 1873.
X:2
T:Unknown Single Jig
M:6/8
L:1/8
R:Jig
K:D
A2D D3|d2d cBA|B2E E3|B2A Bcd|
A2D D3|d2d cBA|Bcd edc|1 d3 d2B:|2 d3 d2g||
|:f2d d3|f2a agf|e2A A3|e2g gfe|
f2d d3|f2a agf|efd ABc|1 d3 d2g:|2 d3 d2B||
This one is probably French, so it doesn't really belong here, but if anybody has heard it before...
X:3
T:Unknown Waltz
M:3/4
L:1/8
R:Waltz
K:Bmin
B fg|:f3 B fg|e6|c4 BA|F3 B fg|
f3 a gf|e4 ed|cd ef ec|1 B3 B fg:|2 B4 c2||
|:dF Fd Fd|cE Ec Ec|BA GB AG|FE DE F2|dF Fd Fd|
cE Ec Ec|1 BA B/2c/2d cA|B4 c2:|2 BA B/2c/2d c/2B/2A|B3 ||
The second tune definitely looks like a very simplified version of Shandon Bells.
If the first tune is as "off" as the second tune is to Shandon Bells, then it bears some resemblance to Ships Are Sailing. Also, the key should be Em or EDor, no?
Also, the hornpipe Devil's Dream listed here on thesession is played as a reel in American tradition all the time, but it's not the same tune as X:1 here.
I think you are right about Shandon Bells, that seems to be the closest match so far. But I don't think the reel is anything like Ships are Sailing. Here are some recordings, it may be better than the ABC thingies.
By googling the 3rd line of your abc, I found that reel listed as the Devil's Dream on a Japanese website. Look here and scroll down: http://misaok.hp.infoseek.co.jp/fmod/Do.21~33.html. It doesn't say what the source is, but I'd guess the tune's been recorded under that name by someone. It sounds like a version of the Game Of Love/Girls Of Farranfore family of tunes to me. Those and the couple of tunes you listed all sound pretty much the same to me...
Ha! Found it. Noticing that the tunes in that list were mostly Donegal tunes of the type recorded by Altan etc, I googled "devil's dream altan" and was taken back to a different page of that Japanese website which *does* state the source, and also provides the sheetmusic http://misaok.hp.infoseek.co.jp/fmod/fmod.html. Evidently the tune is indeed called the Devil's Dream, and it appears on track 8 of James Byrne's "Road To Glenlough" http://www.thesession.org/recordings/display/1198.
How about you post it in the tunes? The key is Edor, by the way, not Bmin. If you wanted, you could then post a link in the comments to the version given on the Japanese website.
Extra to the above ...
I thought the waltz sounded familiar, the abc that I found is from a page belonging to a local sessioneer, so I'll give you the top link as well to give him the credit
Wow Dow, I am amazed. And a little embarassed that I was not able to find that, especially since it is so close to my transcription and indeed called The Devil's Dream. Making the Altan connection though was a stroke of genius, you're a regular Sherlock Holmes.
Three Unknown Tunes
Three Unknown Tunes
I'm trying to track down the origin of some of the tunes we play at our session, and I've done pretty well so far, but I am completely stomped by three tunes. I can find absolutely nothing on these three tunes. Can anybody help?
The first one is a reel and the closest thing I could find is the A part of The Humours of Castlefin and the B part of Humours of Barrack Street. The fiddler who brought it to our session knows it as The Devil's Dream, but I can find no reference for a reel by that name.
X:1
T:Unknown Reel
M:4/4
L:1/8
R:Reel
K:BMin
BE ~E2 BcdB|AD ~D2 DFAd|BE ~E2 B3f|1 gfed Beee:|2 gfed Beef||
||gebe gbeg|gfee BBef|gebe gbef|gfed Beef|
gebe gbeg|gfee Bdef|g2g2 fgaf|gfed Beef||
The closest thing I could find to this jig is Willie's Single, or rather the ancestor tune for Willie's Single, which is an unknown jig from Levey's Dance Music of Ireland, 2nd Collection 1873.
X:2
T:Unknown Single Jig
M:6/8
L:1/8
R:Jig
K:D
A2D D3|d2d cBA|B2E E3|B2A Bcd|
A2D D3|d2d cBA|Bcd edc|1 d3 d2B:|2 d3 d2g||
|:f2d d3|f2a agf|e2A A3|e2g gfe|
f2d d3|f2a agf|efd ABc|1 d3 d2g:|2 d3 d2B||
This one is probably French, so it doesn't really belong here, but if anybody has heard it before...
X:3
T:Unknown Waltz
M:3/4
L:1/8
R:Waltz
K:Bmin
B fg|:f3 B fg|e6|c4 BA|F3 B fg|
f3 a gf|e4 ed|cd ef ec|1 B3 B fg:|2 B4 c2||
|:dF Fd Fd|cE Ec Ec|BA GB AG|FE DE F2|dF Fd Fd|
cE Ec Ec|1 BA B/2c/2d cA|B4 c2:|2 BA B/2c/2d c/2B/2A|B3 ||
Thank you in advance!
# Posted on April 4th 2007 by Shrog
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
Your second tune (the jig) looks like a version of Shandon Bells. I expect you'll find a better setting of it in the Tunes database.
# Posted on April 4th 2007 by nicholas
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
The second tune definitely looks like a very simplified version of Shandon Bells.
If the first tune is as "off" as the second tune is to Shandon Bells, then it bears some resemblance to Ships Are Sailing. Also, the key should be Em or EDor, no?
Also, the hornpipe Devil's Dream listed here on thesession is played as a reel in American tradition all the time, but it's not the same tune as X:1 here.
# Posted on April 4th 2007 by MTGuru
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
I think you are right about Shandon Bells, that seems to be the closest match so far. But I don't think the reel is anything like Ships are Sailing. Here are some recordings, it may be better than the ABC thingies.
http://www.digitalsa.com/chron/reel.mp3
http://www.digitalsa.com/chron/jig.mp3
http://www.digitalsa.com/chron/waltz.mp3
# Posted on April 5th 2007 by Shrog
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
By googling the 3rd line of your abc, I found that reel listed as the Devil's Dream on a Japanese website. Look here and scroll down: http://misaok.hp.infoseek.co.jp/fmod/Do.21~33.html. It doesn't say what the source is, but I'd guess the tune's been recorded under that name by someone. It sounds like a version of the Game Of Love/Girls Of Farranfore family of tunes to me. Those and the couple of tunes you listed all sound pretty much the same to me...
# Posted on April 5th 2007 by Dow
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
Ha! Found it. Noticing that the tunes in that list were mostly Donegal tunes of the type recorded by Altan etc, I googled "devil's dream altan" and was taken back to a different page of that Japanese website which *does* state the source, and also provides the sheetmusic http://misaok.hp.infoseek.co.jp/fmod/fmod.html. Evidently the tune is indeed called the Devil's Dream, and it appears on track 8 of James Byrne's "Road To Glenlough" http://www.thesession.org/recordings/display/1198.
# Posted on April 5th 2007 by Dow
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
How about you post it in the tunes? The key is Edor, by the way, not Bmin. If you wanted, you could then post a link in the comments to the version given on the Japanese website.
# Posted on April 5th 2007 by Dow
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
Hmmmm... a bit of googling got this for a waltz
(from http://www.lesession.co.uk/music/posts.abc)
It sounds about right - nice waltz too.
X: 16
T:Swedish Waltz from Grouppa
M:3/4
L:1/8
S:Grouppa
R:Waltz
Z:Steve Mansfield October 2001
N:Posted to woodenflute 22/10/2201
N:Identified by Trevor Keates
K:Bm
B fg |: f3 B fg | e4 EA | c4 BA | F3 f fg |
f3 B fg | e4 ed | (cd e)(f ed) |1 B3 Bfg :|2 B4 z2 |:
(dFF)(dFd) | (cEE)(cEc) | (BGG)(BAG) | F2 E2 DE |
(dFF)(dFd) | (cEE)(cEc) | (BA B)(d cA) | B2 B4 :|
Chris
# Posted on April 5th 2007 by spindizzy
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
Extra to the above ...
I thought the waltz sounded familiar, the abc that I found is from a page belonging to a local sessioneer, so I'll give you the top link as well to give him the credit
http://www.lesession.co.uk/index.htm
Chris
# Posted on April 5th 2007 by spindizzy
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
Wow Dow, I am amazed. And a little embarassed that I was not able to find that, especially since it is so close to my transcription and indeed called The Devil's Dream. Making the Altan connection though was a stroke of genius, you're a regular Sherlock Holmes.
Thank you very much for your help!
# Posted on April 5th 2007 by Shrog
Re: Three Unknown Tunes
Thank you Spindizzy, that's perfect. I wasn't expecting anybody to identify the waltz, but once again it seems I came to the right place.
I really must learn how to Gogle better though...
Thanks to everybody for your help!
# Posted on April 5th 2007 by Shrog