I've noticed that alot of the pure drop musicians I've spoken to....the ones who bag out the more modern musicians and the music that they play - tend not to listen to a broad range of musicial styles. Alot of them just listen to the pure drop type of trad...not all mind you - just alot.
On my ipod Michael Jackson's 'Dont stop' was just playing, followed by 'Love Cats' byt the Cure and then Calico came on.
Has anyone else noticed this? For example 'Late in the evening' like way more styles of music that me even - he likes everything from Hip Hop to punk to Jazz to Michael McGolderick...
I love everything from Hip Hop to Funk to 80's to Aussie rock to redgum and so much more.
has anyone else noticed this? PS - 'Ol dirty bastard' just came on my ipod. Love it!
Which so-called "pure drop" musicians? How do you know what they listen to in the comfort of their own homes? They might be into more styles of music than you - you never know. God you think you're so cool just because you listen to hip hop and you have one of these ipod things, but really you're just stuck in the 80's. I bet you were a Brosette when you were a girl, or Aussie equivalent, whatever that was.
God you're such a liar. I would so never do that. Anyway who are these so-called pure drop musicians? Who are all these musicians you've been talking to? You know there's only about 4 in Sydney anyway so you're making it up.
Yeah, just because you're over your limit doesn't mean you really have been a fly on anyone's wall. The last one here, yesterday, got boiled to death. Damn, I hope that wasn't you. If it was, you know I haven't been able to put on Green Day's "American Idiot" since that interloper took up residence downstairs ~ flat sitting and beating on our floor even when all we're doing is walking across it... GRRRRRR... I should put on The Pogues or Flogging Molly and crank it way up, or some Klezmer or Gypsy stuff ~ Vlacchi!!! ~ that would shake her foundations. I could be kinder and put on some Charley Patton or Hambone Willie Newbern, or even sweet Son House or Elizabeth Cotten ~ "Freight Train"? Nah, how about some Queen or the Stones or Zydeco or Cajun or some foot tappin' La Bottine Souriante?
Now we know, dancing around your backyard to the Bronski Beat... Damn, I won't get that image out of my head anytime soon... Damn you bb. You should have kept that sight to yourself...
Who's this Michael McGolderick? Is he the same as Michael McGolddick? I have Michael McGoldrick in my MP3s, but I have John McKenna too.
Sorry for being a spellpooper, but I know you're such a fan of his it hurts me to see you getting his name wrong every time!
Ah well sure, spelling was never my strong point. Probably didnt help that I dropped out of school when I was 15. But at least you dont have to spell to be able to learn tunes. Thank god.
I was thinking the opposite - those with a wide variety of listening like their trad music simple, if only for the sake of contrast.
It might sound exciting and groovy to add funk bass, hip-hop scratching and African drums to trad tunes if you've never listened to much of that, but if you have, it has the effect of destroying the distinctiveness and making everything sound the same
Well - I like modern funky stuff - but I've never heard any hip, hop in any of the stuff I listen to. Except maybe Sharon Sharon's 'dadadada' - but thats a song - not a tunes.
I'm with BB, though I dunno if she's with me. If it's not Ska, Rocksteady or JS Bach the only pure drop I'm aware of comes in a bottle with John Jameson's forged signature on it. Irish music's okay I guess, but it's got no sex and it's got no class. Fun to play with a bunch of drunks in a pub though I spose.
I didnt actually mean that....I just meant that I dont like to play tunes....just that I like other stuff as well. I like trad best. But I dont just listen to trad all day and all night - sometimes I mix it up. I think trad is very classy.
Damn spuds, that must be powerful stuff you're inhaling. Drink it more slowly, savour it, stop guzzling it so fast you can't taste it as it passes... ( Ola! Bren )
Well I guess we all love to play tunes otherwise we'd be wasting bandwidth on some other chat site. There's a lot of fine music out there. The only limitation is in the ears of the beholder and the technical skill of the muso. If I could play the Chaconne to my satisfaction I dunno that i'd have settled for Gusty's Frolics.
I am a 'damned dyslexic' ~ and aside from being very visual, it can be damned frustrating...
If I was to grab just a few early influence that aren't in the realm of this tradition specifically, there are just a few things that left imprints on my brain as a child, pre-6-years-of-age ~ Burl Ives, Bossa Nova, Gershwin, musicals ~ & close to the bone ~ the varied musics of the Canadian Maritimes... These are the influences outside of things specifically 'Irish', though the Maritimes overlap... After 6 my exposure to and interest in various musical (& movement / dance) forms and origins grew exponentially...
Like many people, I lost track of popular music when I finished with college. I had already been kicked off the beaten track by my father, who exposed me to a lot of jazz (especially Dixieland) and a lot of other stuff my contemporaries weren't hearing. And unlike many people, instead of recycling those favorite oldies from my school days, I continued to branch out in other directions, into folk and traditional music in particular. I don't think it is bad to focus on one style of music, but when you stop listening to new music, then you have a problem!
my i-pod is a mix of itm, french, italian, english, scottish "trad" (whatever the hell trad is anyway) with a little bit of medieval speedmetal (In Extremo, bagpipes, harps and crunching guitars you'd all love it), and punk thrown in.
every cd i own is loaded into itunes on my computer so i get a really strange combo of the above with some classical and jazz. Lost touch with 'pop' music in the early '90s
We listen to most everything in this house. We love the stuff from the 80's and listen to a lot it. Elvis Costello, The Pixies, Depeche Mode, Oingo Boingo, The Cramps, De La Soul, The Beastie Boys, Portishead all get played a lot. Plus some jazz. The 80's were the last time I really found a lot to love in new music. Everything since then mostly seems like a re-hash.
I think maybe I do prefer the pure-drop stuff in Irish though because it's such a contrast, like Bren said.
I grew up with parents who only liked one kind of music, period. My mom had the classical music station on from the minute she woke up till bedtime, almost.
So........ I really didn't understand where Elvis was coming from until I hit puberty (ha ha..... I can here the jokes coming already).
The beatles opened up the whole world of "other music" for me, I was in 6th grade and it was indeed a revelation. Since then I've fallen in love with everything from Sting, the blues, bluegrass, ECM and other types of jazz, everything Celtic, klezmer & gypsy, ...... well....... whatever sounds good to me, really. I confess that I enjoy fusion alot........ Capercailli, Martin Sebastion singing Hungarian with Irish musicians.......
Music is good.
Not much has made the earth move for me recently by way of new sounds, but that's because I don't want to buy CD's over the net.
Hence, I check out the local HMV, whose scanty folk section is liberally boobytrapped with dire samplers (Andean, Greek and Paris Accordion ones all proved unlistenable...)
Once in a blue moon I spend good money on a CD by some universally venerated titan of pop from the last thirty years, to see what the fuss is about. These have included U2 (vacuous - tho' I don't want to knock their good works), Bob Marley (imbecilic), and Oasis (devoid of talent, terminally obnoxious).
But I've discovered too that unlike the above, Classical discs are unlikely to disappoint, and a fiver spent on a sampler is unlikely to be wasted - unless you bought Wagner when you wanted Bach. So I'll be listening to more of these.
Sorry nicholas ol' friend, but I've had some dog's worth of classical recordings and generally find 'samplers' not to my liking... I've learned since to not just purchase any ol' CD where things classical or otherwise are in consideration... I have a favourite resource I regularly frequent, one of several, but the one coming to mind now is online and there are a lot of samples to listen to too:
I got on board when they first had a presence on the Net and have stayed with them, visiting at least on a weekly basis, and whenever I get the bug for some LP I have in storage elsewhere, or am in need of particular ear training... I also have some of their breeze block sized books, also recommended. They have proved informed and trustworthy, and finally some of their prices online are actually competitive, meaning the price comparison feature is starting to work...
For classical, Gramophone Mag's annual ain't half bad, and I quite like the Rough Guides too... The only thing I'm having problems getting enough of lately is Mariachi music...
MY iPod has trad (mostly from Ireland/Scotland, but there's also a bit of Japanese Koto), rock (U2 included,as they sem to be in question, as well as a lot of bands/artists from Elvis to the Beatles to Led Zeppelin the Goo Goo Dolls and just about everyone from every decade in between) Contemporary Folk, Broadway, Classical (vocal, orchestral, and solo instrumental), Some Pop those free songs that iTunes gives out once a week, Silly Songs with Larry, and just about EVERYTHING in between. Of course I love my trad pretty much the best, but I don't know what I'd do without variety!!!!!
Although, going to a high school, I have to say how much I HATE just about everything (with the exception of the good rock and pop...and broadway that my personal friends listend to)...I DESPISE Rap, most hip-hop (ie the kind that I can't tell the difference between it and rap, but I guess I just have an, um, untrained ear), and the really bad garage-band-who-somehow-got-a-record-deal, even though they do nothing but play an unidentifiable chord over and over and absolutely screech into a microphone. And "contemporary country" sort of makes me want to claw my ears off (where I live, there is quite a lot of it). Although, I do love the good older country music-Johnny Cash , may he rest in peace, will always have a special place in my heart.
I do like Eva Cassidy and Nanci Griffith - if that's what New Country is, I've definitely got a place for it.
I share Possum's detestation of rap.
Musicals - okay: I haven't heard enough; at least they have tunes. The odd film score / Eurovision hit / Sixties hit - same applies.
My thumbs down for the week has to go to Cajun - "22 Stomps From The Swamp". People have talked dismissively of "the Irish tune" - but Cajun really does only seem to have one; either it's a chug-a-long quickstep or it's a waltz, and it has never even got round to going modal. That record - with key Cajun players on it - seemed quite interminable. Cajunophiles out there, shoot me down for being a troll...
The balance is struck... You buy classic music samplers and I buy the occassional Cajun recording...
One of the funnest times I ever had was jamming with a bunch of Cajuns, actually, every time of the few times I've had that pleasure... I will take that over Irish country western anyday, or Daniel O'Donnell, or classic music samplers...
I'll meet you partway nicholas (got the 'h' in that time) ~ we do like Nanci Griffith ~ "Listen to the Radio"... I'll throw in Eric Clapton and see you a few B's ~ Buddy Holly, Bob Marley & BB King... I'm also fond of Albert Ammons and Piano Red (Dr. Feel Good)...and let's not forget Stephane Grappelly, eh?
Hi there, ceol! I've been offline for a few days when I couldn't access the net. Good to be back.
I suspect that to really enjoy Cajun you've got to be there - scoffing loads of crayfish and whatever they drink there, and understanding some of their French, which a modern languages graduate told me is quite weird, as the bodies hurtle round the dance-hall and the alligators lie in wait outside..yes, I can see it all...
I believe that one of the great things about playing traditional music is the ability to inject the tunes with a little bit of your own personality or sound. Obviously everyone's sound is going to be the sum total of there influences, so it follows that the more diverse your influences are, the more individual/unique your sound is going to be.
Doesn't matter what your main music is, I reckon we're all agreed that you can't beat a good selection of mellow pop and show tunes played on the ould pan pipes
I see what you mean though ceemonster. Would be like a trad player saying that they play music from"clare and east galway" to try and indicate some kind of "hipper" trad sensibility right?
well.....in addition to being amusingly self-congratulatory over said musical tastes, the opening post made stereotyped, not to mention inaccurate, assumptions about itm taste that were not consonant with the supposedly tres adventurous sensibility being offered........
and "late,"....as it happens, we don't have a thread around here opening with a fan of clare & east galway music congratulating themselves on how catholic (that would be with a small "c") their tastes are and then proceeding to pigeonhole the tastes of others...... that gambit is what opened this thread. and i reserve the right to find it hilarious in view of the proffered evidence of hepcat eclectisism.
read your own profile lately cee? i detect very similar overtones in your assertion of your penchant for clare and east galway music. As someone who knows bb personally and spends quite a bit of time playing tunes with her, i can safely assure you that far from stereotyping people in service of her "tres adventurous" sensibility she is merely reacting against the negative stereotyping we receive from certain elements within our own scene due to our far from "pure drop" persuasion.
Meeoooowwww Ceemonster - Cutting remarks ablazing. You must be so proud - of all the posts I read here yours are always the ones dripping with the most poison. Wonder if you put as much soul and passion into your music as you do into your rude, obnoxious and high and mighty posts.
There's no need to get defensive, Ben. I think it's very brave of you to admit to the whole world that you have such crap taste in music. Why anyone would want to negatively stereotype you for that is beyond me. In fact, you know what? You should get respect for being so open about your tastes, and not hiding them as I would if I enjoyed listening to the same music as you do.
Dow unless you want me to post those pictures of your Bros collection you sent me, or the ones of you with the Vanilla Ice flat top hair cut and MC Hammer pants, I'd shut up right now!!!
"hope you enjoy my blend of dance/dub/rap and trad fusion. i've had my studio a couple of years now, recording the sort of stuff that i wanna hear. i love music with 'balls'. i like to keep close to the tradition of irish dance music, playing the old tunes-writing tunes that sound like old tune, i.e dont sound like finger excercises. and then fuse it modern beats and bass. enjoy the tunes pass it on to your friends kane"
i cant actuallt listen because i am at work i wonder how progressive this is
Sounds right up your alley sam By the way. I'm bringing whiskey to the nash so there may be a repeart of the beer carton hat incident. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAA
Aww , not again, i know it will happen as soon as i get a bit too drunk to work out how to get out of it!
Haha, the unique feeling of waking up all disoriented smelling like garlic source, seeing you take a swig straight out of the whiskey bottle first thing in the morning! Then finding out all this 'stuff' which happened to me because i dont remember...
when it comes to being good at negative stereotyping, it isn't me who has engaged in a-bray-sive name-calling of people on this site. names such as "racist" and "nazi," more, more, more. i have called no site member or musician any names. what i'm gulty of is comparing the sound f/x of certain ornamentation styles to buzzers going off, whoopee cushions & automobiles running out of gas, without attaching the i-now-see necessary clarifier, "though the musicians are of course virtuosos," which i thought went without saying, and which i now am very careful to do.
speaking of which, i am loving the concertina style of niall vallely, whose ornaments elsewhere sometimes give me the hiccups, on his new cd, buille.
and i have to say, contrary to the rigid stereotyping, the itm fans i have encountered who enjoy punk rock, alt rock, blues & jazz have often turned out to be fans of the "pure drop" style. contrary to stereotype, many "pure drop fans" don't love it out of conservatism or narrowness. they love it precisely because wide-ranging acquaintance with musical genres has helped them to be able to tell glenn gould from liberace.
How can you be against all the modern ornamentation and at the same time love the concertina style of Niall Vallely? I at least hoped you vaguely knew what you were talking about, but now I realise that bb was right: you don't.
You're saying that you don't have anything against the modern musicians per se, it's just that hiccupy ornamentation is not to your taste, right? Don't see anything wrong with that - fair play to ye.
dow, have you heard the buille cd? if you haven't, it is you who don 't know what you are talking about. perhaps you didn't bother to read my post before diving in with an insult. my point was precisely that he is making different choices stylistically there than on some other examples i have heard. and i don't mean more "conservative" choices. he is still playing with great virtuosity, but in a cleaner, sleeker style than on other of his recordings. he is still using staccato, but it has a much lower profile. and i am loving it.
i have never said anywhere that i am "against all modern ornamentation." but hey, flinging around an inaccurate slam is so much more gratifying in some quarters than nuanced thinking...
"not all mind you - just alot." - I did say not everyone. And it was not an slag - it was an observation....which I posted to get other peoples opinions on. I dont seem to get that from you, just alot of abuse..........It makes me wonder what you would do with your time if I wasnt here for you to bitch at.
Cee, I've only heard buille when I've been round at bb's place. She's been playing it a lot on her ipod recently. I can't say I've listened to the whole thing and really given it my attention though. Maybe I will now. Thanks for pointing it out - you're right I don't know what I'm talking about.
bb, I don't know what I would do with my time if you weren't there for me to bitch *with*
Amen to that dow. If you and beebs weren't here to bitch with i might actually be doing my job right now!!! (shudder) i hate this place. Bring on the nash!!!!!!!!!
I love reading the bitching!!! Don't you dare take it underground!! It's like watching a really bad day time soap opera...........tunes of our lives? The bold and the diddlyful?
Well - I personally prefer it to be like this.....hugy lovey groups are boring. Having said that, I do believe sometimes it gets a little out of control. So I will watch myself and try not to strike below the belt in future!
well, ok, since you insist....bb, you can take the injured victim tone all you like, and it is a scream, and i did get a hoot at your preaching on another recent thread sounding so, so, teddibly, teddibly saddened at the negative turn you felt the site had taken of late......but your penchant for employing ad hominem name-calling and very unpleasant, personal language to and about individuals on this site on some occasions, and a snarky tone on other occasions, speaks for itself.
let's take the opener for this thread, which i did fine restrained compared to some of your other excursions. but still.....there is another thread going right now around here titled, "What are your current 5 favorite Irish cds?" the poster who started the thread, started like this....."This old chestnut is always good for a little light relief. Ours at the moment are: [list].....then, "What are yours, and why? (If you feel up to it)." a bunch of folks weighed in with lists all over the spectrum, we all said how much we liked this and that among each other's listening lists, and had a fine old time.
if this thread had begun in a similar tone, asking, what other genres/styles/musical forms/whatever, do you like?, regardless of who started the thread, i would have happily weighed in, read everybody else's stuff with interest, and been on my way. but this discussion opened with facile (not to mention, ill-informed) generalizations about how people with x taste "bag on" those musicos, whereas adventurous, open-minded people who like michael jackson and the cure.........i'm not gonna call you a "racist" or anything. that sort of thing is in your line, not mine. i'm just gonna say....wow, how adventurous.
And yet you cannot see that you do the same thing. You happily bitch about musicians in one breath and the get on your high horse when something is said that upsets you.
I'm sorry that the tone of the thread was not to your liking, I will try to rectify it next time. Maybe you could start a thread and show me how its done. Thanks for your honest and might I add very well informed insight.
In any case, lets just agree not to agree on anything and get on with not fighting.....as much as it may amuse you I really dont want to get into continous arguments over nothing with you. So hopefully you'll accept my call for a truce.
dow, i'm catching up to your line about me never having heard of the cure.......you are wrong again......it's pretty old stuff in my neck of the woods......we moved on with relief to God Speed You! Black Emperor.....though even that was quite some ways back.....but i'm still your pal.
Modern tunes and other musical influences
Modern tunes and other musical influences
I've noticed that alot of the pure drop musicians I've spoken to....the ones who bag out the more modern musicians and the music that they play - tend not to listen to a broad range of musicial styles. Alot of them just listen to the pure drop type of trad...not all mind you - just alot.
On my ipod Michael Jackson's 'Dont stop' was just playing, followed by 'Love Cats' byt the Cure and then Calico came on.
Has anyone else noticed this? For example 'Late in the evening' like way more styles of music that me even - he likes everything from Hip Hop to punk to Jazz to Michael McGolderick...
I love everything from Hip Hop to Funk to 80's to Aussie rock to redgum and so much more.
has anyone else noticed this? PS - 'Ol dirty bastard' just came on my ipod. Love it!
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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bag out is aussie talk - it means "slag off"...
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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Which so-called "pure drop" musicians? How do you know what they listen to in the comfort of their own homes? They might be into more styles of music than you - you never know. God you think you're so cool just because you listen to hip hop and you have one of these ipod things, but really you're just stuck in the 80's. I bet you were a Brosette when you were a girl, or Aussie equivalent, whatever that was.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Dow
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Shut up dow - or I'll tell everyone how you were dancing around the back yard to Bronksi beat the other day.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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God you're such a liar. I would so never do that. Anyway who are these so-called pure drop musicians? Who are all these musicians you've been talking to? You know there's only about 4 in Sydney anyway so you're making it up.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Dow
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Yeah, just because you're over your limit doesn't mean you really have been a fly on anyone's wall. The last one here, yesterday, got boiled to death. Damn, I hope that wasn't you. If it was, you know I haven't been able to put on Green Day's "American Idiot" since that interloper took up residence downstairs ~ flat sitting and beating on our floor even when all we're doing is walking across it... GRRRRRR... I should put on The Pogues or Flogging Molly and crank it way up, or some Klezmer or Gypsy stuff ~ Vlacchi!!! ~ that would shake her foundations. I could be kinder and put on some Charley Patton or Hambone Willie Newbern, or even sweet Son House or Elizabeth Cotten ~ "Freight Train"? Nah, how about some Queen or the Stones or Zydeco or Cajun or some foot tappin' La Bottine Souriante?
Now we know, dancing around your backyard to the Bronski Beat... Damn, I won't get that image out of my head anytime soon... Damn you bb. You should have kept that sight to yourself...
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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Who's this Michael McGolderick? Is he the same as Michael McGolddick? I have Michael McGoldrick in my MP3s, but I have John McKenna too.
Sorry for being a spellpooper, but I know you're such a fan of his it hurts me to see you getting his name wrong every time!
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Lingpupa
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Ah well sure, spelling was never my strong point. Probably didnt help that I dropped out of school when I was 15. But at least you dont have to spell to be able to learn tunes. Thank god.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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Only trouble is trying to play your ABC notations ~ weird!
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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But I understand from Dow you have ears like a bat...
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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I was thinking the opposite - those with a wide variety of listening like their trad music simple, if only for the sake of contrast.
It might sound exciting and groovy to add funk bass, hip-hop scratching and African drums to trad tunes if you've never listened to much of that, but if you have, it has the effect of destroying the distinctiveness and making everything sound the same
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Bren
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Well - I like modern funky stuff - but I've never heard any hip, hop in any of the stuff I listen to. Except maybe Sharon Sharon's 'dadadada' - but thats a song - not a tunes.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
Re: Modern tunes and other musical influences
I'm with BB, though I dunno if she's with me. If it's not Ska, Rocksteady or JS Bach the only pure drop I'm aware of comes in a bottle with John Jameson's forged signature on it. Irish music's okay I guess, but it's got no sex and it's got no class. Fun to play with a bunch of drunks in a pub though I spose.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Ger the Rigger
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Charles, how do you know Mike has a gold dick? Is it because James Galway has a silver flute?
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Fiddlebabe
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I didnt actually mean that....I just meant that I dont like to play tunes....just that I like other stuff as well. I like trad best. But I dont just listen to trad all day and all night - sometimes I mix it up. I think trad is very classy.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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God - where the hell is Charles? Of course I love to play tunes....blah blah
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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Damn spuds, that must be powerful stuff you're inhaling. Drink it more slowly, savour it, stop guzzling it so fast you can't taste it as it passes... ( Ola! Bren
)
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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My wife believes you shouldn't touch the stuff before 6 p.m. or without having something to eat first...
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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Hey, bb, you're not another damned dyslexic are you?
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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Well I guess we all love to play tunes otherwise we'd be wasting bandwidth on some other chat site. There's a lot of fine music out there. The only limitation is in the ears of the beholder and the technical skill of the muso. If I could play the Chaconne to my satisfaction I dunno that i'd have settled for Gusty's Frolics.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Ger the Rigger
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No, just really lazy
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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I am a 'damned dyslexic' ~ and aside from being very visual, it can be damned frustrating...
If I was to grab just a few early influence that aren't in the realm of this tradition specifically, there are just a few things that left imprints on my brain as a child, pre-6-years-of-age ~ Burl Ives, Bossa Nova, Gershwin, musicals ~ & close to the bone ~ the varied musics of the Canadian Maritimes... These are the influences outside of things specifically 'Irish', though the Maritimes overlap... After 6 my exposure to and interest in various musical (& movement / dance) forms and origins grew exponentially...
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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Like many people, I lost track of popular music when I finished with college. I had already been kicked off the beaten track by my father, who exposed me to a lot of jazz (especially Dixieland) and a lot of other stuff my contemporaries weren't hearing. And unlike many people, instead of recycling those favorite oldies from my school days, I continued to branch out in other directions, into folk and traditional music in particular. I don't think it is bad to focus on one style of music, but when you stop listening to new music, then you have a problem!
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by AlBrown
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Who is Michael Jackson and is Ipod another new band that probably copy the Bothy band?
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by eurbanjo
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HAHA Big baby jesus - love him.
bb have a look at him on youtube.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Hugo Chavez
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I hate all music... Unless its good.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by Sean MacOda Criobhan
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my i-pod is a mix of itm, french, italian, english, scottish "trad" (whatever the hell trad is anyway) with a little bit of medieval speedmetal (In Extremo, bagpipes, harps and crunching guitars you'd all love it), and punk thrown in.
every cd i own is loaded into itunes on my computer so i get a really strange combo of the above with some classical and jazz. Lost touch with 'pop' music in the early '90s
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by thorsdog
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We listen to most everything in this house. We love the stuff from the 80's and listen to a lot it. Elvis Costello, The Pixies, Depeche Mode, Oingo Boingo, The Cramps, De La Soul, The Beastie Boys, Portishead all get played a lot. Plus some jazz. The 80's were the last time I really found a lot to love in new music. Everything since then mostly seems like a re-hash.
I think maybe I do prefer the pure-drop stuff in Irish though because it's such a contrast, like Bren said.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by soft black stars
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I grew up with parents who only liked one kind of music, period. My mom had the classical music station on from the minute she woke up till bedtime, almost.
So........ I really didn't understand where Elvis was coming from until I hit puberty (ha ha..... I can here the jokes coming already).
The beatles opened up the whole world of "other music" for me, I was in 6th grade and it was indeed a revelation. Since then I've fallen in love with everything from Sting, the blues, bluegrass, ECM and other types of jazz, everything Celtic, klezmer & gypsy, ...... well....... whatever sounds good to me, really. I confess that I enjoy fusion alot........ Capercailli, Martin Sebastion singing Hungarian with Irish musicians.......
Music is good.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by morning star
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Not much has made the earth move for me recently by way of new sounds, but that's because I don't want to buy CD's over the net.
Hence, I check out the local HMV, whose scanty folk section is liberally boobytrapped with dire samplers (Andean, Greek and Paris Accordion ones all proved unlistenable...)
Once in a blue moon I spend good money on a CD by some universally venerated titan of pop from the last thirty years, to see what the fuss is about. These have included U2 (vacuous - tho' I don't want to knock their good works), Bob Marley (imbecilic), and Oasis (devoid of talent, terminally obnoxious).
But I've discovered too that unlike the above, Classical discs are unlikely to disappoint, and a fiver spent on a sampler is unlikely to be wasted - unless you bought Wagner when you wanted Bach. So I'll be listening to more of these.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by nicholas
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Sorry nicholas ol' friend, but I've had some dog's worth of classical recordings and generally find 'samplers' not to my liking... I've learned since to not just purchase any ol' CD where things classical or otherwise are in consideration... I have a favourite resource I regularly frequent, one of several, but the one coming to mind now is online and there are a lot of samples to listen to too:
http://www.allmusic.com/ (I definitely recommend them.)
I got on board when they first had a presence on the Net and have stayed with them, visiting at least on a weekly basis, and whenever I get the bug for some LP I have in storage elsewhere, or am in need of particular ear training... I also have some of their breeze block sized books, also recommended. They have proved informed and trustworthy, and finally some of their prices online are actually competitive, meaning the price comparison feature is starting to work...
For classical, Gramophone Mag's annual ain't half bad, and I quite like the Rough Guides too... The only thing I'm having problems getting enough of lately is Mariachi music...
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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MY iPod has trad (mostly from Ireland/Scotland, but there's also a bit of Japanese Koto), rock (U2 included,as they sem to be in question, as well as a lot of bands/artists from Elvis to the Beatles to Led Zeppelin the Goo Goo Dolls and just about everyone from every decade in between) Contemporary Folk, Broadway, Classical (vocal, orchestral, and solo instrumental), Some Pop those free songs that iTunes gives out once a week, Silly Songs with Larry, and just about EVERYTHING in between. Of course I love my trad pretty much the best, but I don't know what I'd do without variety!!!!!
Although, going to a high school, I have to say how much I HATE just about everything (with the exception of the good rock and pop...and broadway that my personal friends listend to)...I DESPISE Rap, most hip-hop (ie the kind that I can't tell the difference between it and rap, but I guess I just have an, um, untrained ear), and the really bad garage-band-who-somehow-got-a-record-deal, even though they do nothing but play an unidentifiable chord over and over and absolutely screech into a microphone. And "contemporary country" sort of makes me want to claw my ears off (where I live, there is quite a lot of it). Although, I do love the good older country music-Johnny Cash , may he rest in peace, will always have a special place in my heart.
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by possumawesome
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I do like Eva Cassidy and Nanci Griffith - if that's what New Country is, I've definitely got a place for it.
I share Possum's detestation of rap.
Musicals - okay: I haven't heard enough; at least they have tunes. The odd film score / Eurovision hit / Sixties hit - same applies.
My thumbs down for the week has to go to Cajun - "22 Stomps From The Swamp". People have talked dismissively of "the Irish tune" - but Cajun really does only seem to have one; either it's a chug-a-long quickstep or it's a waltz, and it has never even got round to going modal. That record - with key Cajun players on it - seemed quite interminable. Cajunophiles out there, shoot me down for being a troll...
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by nicholas
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Youre a troll?
The balance is struck... You buy classic music samplers and I buy the occassional Cajun recording...
One of the funnest times I ever had was jamming with a bunch of Cajuns, actually, every time of the few times I've had that pleasure... I will take that over Irish country western anyday, or Daniel O'Donnell, or classic music samplers...
I'll meet you partway nicholas (got the 'h' in that time) ~ we do like Nanci Griffith ~ "Listen to the Radio"... I'll throw in Eric Clapton and see you a few B's ~ Buddy Holly, Bob Marley & BB King... I'm also fond of Albert Ammons and Piano Red (Dr. Feel Good)...and let's not forget Stephane Grappelly, eh?
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by ceolachan
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Hi there, ceol! I've been offline for a few days when I couldn't access the net. Good to be back.
I suspect that to really enjoy Cajun you've got to be there - scoffing loads of crayfish and whatever they drink there, and understanding some of their French, which a modern languages graduate told me is quite weird, as the bodies hurtle round the dance-hall and the alligators lie in wait outside..yes, I can see it all...
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by nicholas
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I believe that one of the great things about playing traditional music is the ability to inject the tunes with a little bit of your own personality or sound. Obviously everyone's sound is going to be the sum total of there influences, so it follows that the more diverse your influences are, the more individual/unique your sound is going to be.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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Doesn't matter what your main music is, I reckon we're all agreed that you can't beat a good selection of mellow pop and show tunes played on the ould pan pipes
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Bren
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Might be time to ressurrect
http://www.pandora.com
One of my favourite websites.
"If you like ___ you might like ___"
Not a great deal of Irish music, it has to be said, but we're all interested in music so I'm assuming we're into other stuff too.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Conán McDonnell
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um.....michael jackson and the cure are proof of some kind of "with it" sensibility? hilarious.....
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by ceemonster
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I agree. Most musicians I know are looking for The Cure the day after a heavy session; hardly exclusive or trendy.
;o)
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Conán McDonnell
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Since when is the cure not trendy!? I definately think they fall into the "cool because they're not trendy and therefore even trendier" category
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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I see what you mean though ceemonster. Would be like a trad player saying that they play music from"clare and east galway" to try and indicate some kind of "hipper" trad sensibility right?
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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well.....in addition to being amusingly self-congratulatory over said musical tastes, the opening post made stereotyped, not to mention inaccurate, assumptions about itm taste that were not consonant with the supposedly tres adventurous sensibility being offered........
and "late,"....as it happens, we don't have a thread around here opening with a fan of clare & east galway music congratulating themselves on how catholic (that would be with a small "c") their tastes are and then proceeding to pigeonhole the tastes of others...... that gambit is what opened this thread. and i reserve the right to find it hilarious in view of the proffered evidence of hepcat eclectisism.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by ceemonster
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Hahahahaha ceemonster I bet you'd never even heard of The Cure..
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Dow
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read your own profile lately cee? i detect very similar overtones in your assertion of your penchant for clare and east galway music. As someone who knows bb personally and spends quite a bit of time playing tunes with her, i can safely assure you that far from stereotyping people in service of her "tres adventurous" sensibility she is merely reacting against the negative stereotyping we receive from certain elements within our own scene due to our far from "pure drop" persuasion.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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Meeoooowwww Ceemonster - Cutting remarks ablazing. You must be so proud - of all the posts I read here yours are always the ones dripping with the most poison. Wonder if you put as much soul and passion into your music as you do into your rude, obnoxious and high and mighty posts.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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There's no need to get defensive, Ben. I think it's very brave of you to admit to the whole world that you have such crap taste in music. Why anyone would want to negatively stereotype you for that is beyond me. In fact, you know what? You should get respect for being so open about your tastes, and not hiding them as I would if I enjoyed listening to the same music as you do.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Dow
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Dow unless you want me to post those pictures of your Bros collection you sent me, or the ones of you with the Vanilla Ice flat top hair cut and MC Hammer pants, I'd shut up right now!!!
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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Actually -reacting maybe against negative stereotyping of you ceemonster - as thats what you seem to be so good at.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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"
On my ipod Michael Jackson's 'Dont stop' was just playing, followed by 'Love Cats' byt the Cure and then Calico came on."
"amusingly self-congratulatory"??? - I was just saying what had just come on my ipod. You took that way the wrong way...why am I suprised?
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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hehe , i found something in myspace the other day:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=165052900
"hope you enjoy my blend of dance/dub/rap and trad fusion. i've had my studio a couple of years now, recording the sort of stuff that i wanna hear. i love music with 'balls'. i like to keep close to the tradition of irish dance music, playing the old tunes-writing tunes that sound like old tune, i.e dont sound like finger excercises. and then fuse it modern beats and bass. enjoy the tunes pass it on to your friends kane"
i cant actuallt listen because i am at work
i wonder how progressive this is
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by SamW
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Sounds right up your alley sam
By the way. I'm bringing whiskey to the nash so there may be a repeart of the beer carton hat incident. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAA
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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Aww , not again, i know it will happen as soon as i get a bit too drunk to work out how to get out of it!
Haha, the unique feeling of waking up all disoriented smelling like garlic source, seeing you take a swig straight out of the whiskey bottle first thing in the morning! Then finding out all this 'stuff' which happened to me because i dont remember...
bring on the national!
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by SamW
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Good times. We are a classy bunch
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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when it comes to being good at negative stereotyping, it isn't me who has engaged in a-bray-sive name-calling of people on this site. names such as "racist" and "nazi," more, more, more. i have called no site member or musician any names. what i'm gulty of is comparing the sound f/x of certain ornamentation styles to buzzers going off, whoopee cushions & automobiles running out of gas, without attaching the i-now-see necessary clarifier, "though the musicians are of course virtuosos," which i thought went without saying, and which i now am very careful to do.
speaking of which, i am loving the concertina style of niall vallely, whose ornaments elsewhere sometimes give me the hiccups, on his new cd, buille.
and i have to say, contrary to the rigid stereotyping, the itm fans i have encountered who enjoy punk rock, alt rock, blues & jazz have often turned out to be fans of the "pure drop" style. contrary to stereotype, many "pure drop fans" don't love it out of conservatism or narrowness. they love it precisely because wide-ranging acquaintance with musical genres has helped them to be able to tell glenn gould from liberace.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by ceemonster
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How can you be against all the modern ornamentation and at the same time love the concertina style of Niall Vallely? I at least hoped you vaguely knew what you were talking about, but now I realise that bb was right: you don't.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Dow
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Sorry I misread what you said in the rest of the sentence and misunderstood you entirely - I take that back, cee.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Dow
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You're saying that you don't have anything against the modern musicians per se, it's just that hiccupy ornamentation is not to your taste, right? Don't see anything wrong with that - fair play to ye.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Dow
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dow, have you heard the buille cd? if you haven't, it is you who don 't know what you are talking about. perhaps you didn't bother to read my post before diving in with an insult. my point was precisely that he is making different choices stylistically there than on some other examples i have heard. and i don't mean more "conservative" choices. he is still playing with great virtuosity, but in a cleaner, sleeker style than on other of his recordings. he is still using staccato, but it has a much lower profile. and i am loving it.
i have never said anywhere that i am "against all modern ornamentation." but hey, flinging around an inaccurate slam is so much more gratifying in some quarters than nuanced thinking...
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by ceemonster
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hi, dow, sorry for the crosspost! i am your pal!
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by ceemonster
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Ceemonster - name calling for which I apologised. But dont worry - you just keep on brining it up if it makes you feel better.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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"not all mind you - just alot." - I did say not everyone. And it was not an slag - it was an observation....which I posted to get other peoples opinions on. I dont seem to get that from you, just alot of abuse..........It makes me wonder what you would do with your time if I wasnt here for you to bitch at.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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Cee, I've only heard buille when I've been round at bb's place. She's been playing it a lot on her ipod recently. I can't say I've listened to the whole thing and really given it my attention though. Maybe I will now. Thanks for pointing it out - you're right I don't know what I'm talking about.
bb, I don't know what I would do with my time if you weren't there for me to bitch *with*
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Dow
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Amen to that dow. If you and beebs weren't here to bitch with i might actually be doing my job right now!!! (shudder) i hate this place. Bring on the nash!!!!!!!!!
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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You know you can post emails to each other through this site
Then you can bitch at each other all the time without us having to read it!!!
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Hugo Chavez
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I love reading the bitching!!! Don't you dare take it underground!! It's like watching a really bad day time soap opera...........tunes of our lives? The bold and the diddlyful?
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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Well - I personally prefer it to be like this.....hugy lovey groups are boring. Having said that, I do believe sometimes it gets a little out of control. So I will watch myself and try not to strike below the belt in future!
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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well, ok, since you insist....bb, you can take the injured victim tone all you like, and it is a scream, and i did get a hoot at your preaching on another recent thread sounding so, so, teddibly, teddibly saddened at the negative turn you felt the site had taken of late......but your penchant for employing ad hominem name-calling and very unpleasant, personal language to and about individuals on this site on some occasions, and a snarky tone on other occasions, speaks for itself.
let's take the opener for this thread, which i did fine restrained compared to some of your other excursions. but still.....there is another thread going right now around here titled, "What are your current 5 favorite Irish cds?" the poster who started the thread, started like this....."This old chestnut is always good for a little light relief. Ours at the moment are: [list].....then, "What are yours, and why? (If you feel up to it)." a bunch of folks weighed in with lists all over the spectrum, we all said how much we liked this and that among each other's listening lists, and had a fine old time.
if this thread had begun in a similar tone, asking, what other genres/styles/musical forms/whatever, do you like?, regardless of who started the thread, i would have happily weighed in, read everybody else's stuff with interest, and been on my way. but this discussion opened with facile (not to mention, ill-informed) generalizations about how people with x taste "bag on" those musicos, whereas adventurous, open-minded people who like michael jackson and the cure.........i'm not gonna call you a "racist" or anything. that sort of thing is in your line, not mine. i'm just gonna say....wow, how adventurous.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by ceemonster
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Especially not bearing in mind the possibility of gold dicks.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Lingpupa
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And yet you cannot see that you do the same thing. You happily bitch about musicians in one breath and the get on your high horse when something is said that upsets you.
I'm sorry that the tone of the thread was not to your liking, I will try to rectify it next time. Maybe you could start a thread and show me how its done. Thanks for your honest and might I add very well informed insight.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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In any case, lets just agree not to agree on anything and get on with not fighting.....as much as it may amuse you I really dont want to get into continous arguments over nothing with you. So hopefully you'll accept my call for a truce.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by bb Cruella de vil
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piker.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by late in the evening
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dow, i'm catching up to your line about me never having heard of the cure.......you are wrong again......it's pretty old stuff in my neck of the woods......we moved on with relief to God Speed You! Black Emperor.....though even that was quite some ways back.....but i'm still your pal.
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by ceemonster
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What is the Cure? Some sort of rock and roll group?
Signed, Clueless Old Codger
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by AlBrown
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Whaaat?
even I've heard of them.
signed another clueless old codger, complete with bath chair and ear trumpet
# Posted on April 3rd 2007 by Key Maniac Lad