I can't submit a request for a tune cos the tune is already here on the session but crucially (to me anyway) a large part of it is incorrectly transcribed. "Learn it by ear" I hear the cry-but my wooden ears aren't clever enough to transcribe a melodeon playing at warp speed 10. What do I do? The tune is The British American Polka part 3,by the way, and I ain't got any slow down software,being an IT illiterate. This is a discussion,honest! Help!!
I am unsure what you are asking here, finding it unclear. I've done a search and there is nothing on this site called "British American Polka" ~ not part 1, 2 or 3??? I think you need to tell us more. You also say it is "incorrectily transcribed" ~ you do know there is generally no one pure way with any of these tunes don't you?
Then you mention what I take as a recording you would like to transcribe, and maybe to add here? If so, be clearer, tell us exactly. There are loads of folks here that can help and would probably be willing to. IF you have problems with notation, dots or ABC's, the help can be found. If it is a specific recording, well, even there, you could always send the digital recording to a willing member and they could transcribe it for you and add it.
What is the tune? ~ give the link, or the exact title... Help!?
You could always download an Abc player, paste the Abc notation in and learn by ear from that.
It gives you control over exactly how slowly the tune is played.
What kind of computer do you have? Where do you have the song?
If you've got a PC (with Windows Media Player) and the song is an MP3 or on a CD (you can rip it to MP3), all you need to slow it down is the built-in 'Enhancements' in WMP.
Start the tune and switch to the Now Playing view, then use the menu to get to the Enhancements ... cycle through the enhancements until you get to the one titled Play Speed Settings. You can use the slider to slow the tune down (without changing pitch!
Dubblestop - is the recording you're referring to this one by David Munnelly? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZcUbnwOIng&mode=related&search=
It's an interesting version of the tune, but the third part seems to be different from what I've heard before (though the tune is being played so much faster than I've ever heard it's hard to be sure). Could you submit it as the BAP, Munnelly version, or something, and link to the other version?
Yeah, thats the one,Spin. My frustration stemmed mainly from being unable to request a tune,or part of it, cos it was here already though not in the form I wanted it. I did try the guvnor's hyperlink(?) but drew a blank. I suspect that the transcription here is not far away from the Carignon or Cutting version. Its probably my ignorance of the fiddle/melodeon technique being employed to obtain the sound thats the root of the problem. I am bound to admit,though,that I straightened up some of the errant parts of the transcription here-parts of the first bit and the feel of the second bit-BY LISTENING TO THE LP!! The 3rd part eludes me unfortunately. Thanks for the response anyway.
Hi Pippa,I've seen that Munnelly Band version and thats played even faster than the Cutting/Woods and Jean Carignon takes! The lads look like they're enjoying themselves though. If I knew the tune I would submit it. Wonder where they got their transcription from? Oh, woe is me.
Sorry ceolachan, I should have said that I've two recordings of this tune(called the American Polka here)-one is by Jean Carignon on an old LP entitled Down Home-its got Aly Bain and others on it. The other is the Cutting/Woods gem of a cd with Castignari on the cover. Oh well,back to the woodshed.
I take it that it's the Cutting/Woods take you want a transcription for. I could help you with the Jean Carignon take, but I haven't access to the Cutting / Woods CD, sorry...
Yes to other comments, that way of the David Munnelly band, whew! Where's the fire, eh? They are talented, but you'd have strokes on the dance floor at that much of a rip... I am that impressed with them I'd love to hear them at dance tempo to check out better their ways with it... Can't say I could enjoy it completely that ripped up...
Yes, that would be cool dinn2, you could add it in the 'Comments' for the transcription already here. I could do that for the Jean Carignan take and then dubblestop could cut and paste and add it into the converter at Concertina.net for the notes... What is it they call it? ~ The Tune-O-Tron:
I'll ask around to see if I can get my hands on the Cutting / Wood track to transcribe... It may be awhile though, May, as I'll be away for most of April...
Have to say I'm humbled by the 99% positive response I've had to my whinging-it's this bleeding wooden box with wire bits that drives me to begging letters! ceolachan,I think the Carignon take is almost the same as the Cutting /Woods effort but somewhat different to the Munnelly band if only in tempo-at least in part 3. Thanks for taking the time...Why do I torture myself like this! mutter,mutter...
If you have windows media player go to the David Munnelly Website click on music and listen to the slower tempo playing and slow iw down using windows media......Is there anything more i can do
I grabbed the YouTube audio and MP3-ed it. If it is clear enough and I can get a decent enough transcription from it I'll add it in the comments. In the meantime I'll try to get the Carignan recording for it...liking his take and way on most things....
Hey,dinn-tried your instructions and a whole new world of slow tunes just opened up-I need to get out more! Thanks. Unfortunately part 3 of the tune isn't on the sound clip but no matter I'm playing and listening,playing and listening in my head and I can feel the birth pangs-with the help of youse music midwives I think I'm gonna give birth to a version that feels satisfactory to me-maybe not at Munnelly speed but its starting to hang together-think all the notes are actually here in the transcribed version-its my technique that needs a boot up the arse! Wish I'd started at 12 and not 40. Felicitations to y'all.
Jeremy, thanks for the advice but as the tune was submitted in 2004 I don't think I'd have got the same response to my crie du coeur if it had been buried in the comments section there-I'd still be weeping into my beer. As it is with great support from those above,apart from that illigitimate bloke, I've been inspired to bottom this tune out-hope I don't get struck off-I love this website,warts'n'all.
And I might have missed it, though I'd have eventually got back around to it again. I have now added the several alternate titles for it I'd found online and elsewhere, which has allowed the link-ups to the recordings in the 'Details' for the tune, now rather than later thanks to dubblestop's query...
You can call me Ben. (Don't care what I call you ... though it would be nice to meet up for a tune or two some day ... maybe bring a drop or two of something as part recompense for those non-arriving goods )
I will keep trying. I've tried the link above, which I can't get to work at all. I'm currently trying via a direct search on YouTube, but that doesn't seem to be playing either - though at least I get to the part which a shot of the stage.
I also tried the link to the David Munnelly website - good quality on there, but, of course, only a very short sample, so not the whole tune ...
Wow! Someone else posts their frustration ... and now *I'm* frustrated as well!
Just to clarify: the newest comments are visible on the "comments" tab in the tunes section. So even if the tune was submitted in 2004, your question would be instantly visible.
If you post a question about a specific tune, recording, session or event in the discussions section, it will simply be moved so it saves time to post it in the right place to begin with.
That video - which is BRILLIANT!!!!! - now has, when you go the relevant link on YouTube, the message "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation"
WHATTTTTT??!!!!!!
And I've been and gone and learnt the tune now and everything ... ephemeral or what ...
Frustrated! This is a discussion.
Frustrated! This is a discussion.
I can't submit a request for a tune cos the tune is already here on the session but crucially (to me anyway) a large part of it is incorrectly transcribed. "Learn it by ear" I hear the cry-but my wooden ears aren't clever enough to transcribe a melodeon playing at warp speed 10. What do I do? The tune is The British American Polka part 3,by the way, and I ain't got any slow down software,being an IT illiterate. This is a discussion,honest! Help!!
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dubblestop
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deep sigh and depressed exhalation
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by llig leahcim
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Email Jeremy and raise the issue with him, think hes one of the sessions developers.
GL
Kess
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by Kess
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Jeremy is THE developer, singular...
I am unsure what you are asking here, finding it unclear. I've done a search and there is nothing on this site called "British American Polka" ~ not part 1, 2 or 3??? I think you need to tell us more. You also say it is "incorrectily transcribed" ~ you do know there is generally no one pure way with any of these tunes don't you?
Then you mention what I take as a recording you would like to transcribe, and maybe to add here? If so, be clearer, tell us exactly. There are loads of folks here that can help and would probably be willing to. IF you have problems with notation, dots or ABC's, the help can be found. If it is a specific recording, well, even there, you could always send the digital recording to a willing member and they could transcribe it for you and add it.
What is the tune? ~ give the link, or the exact title...
Help!?
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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You could always download an Abc player, paste the Abc notation in and learn by ear from that.
It gives you control over exactly how slowly the tune is played.
http://www.norbeck.nu/abcmus/
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by Conán McDonnell
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What kind of computer do you have? Where do you have the song?
If you've got a PC (with Windows Media Player) and the song is an MP3 or on a CD (you can rip it to MP3), all you need to slow it down is the built-in 'Enhancements' in WMP.
Start the tune and switch to the Now Playing view, then use the menu to get to the Enhancements ... cycle through the enhancements until you get to the one titled Play Speed Settings. You can use the slider to slow the tune down (without changing pitch!
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by KeepFiddlin'
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Is this the one http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/3825
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by spindizzy
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Dubblestop - is the recording you're referring to this one by David Munnelly? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZcUbnwOIng&mode=related&search=
It's an interesting version of the tune, but the third part seems to be different from what I've heard before (though the tune is being played so much faster than I've ever heard it's hard to be sure). Could you submit it as the BAP, Munnelly version, or something, and link to the other version?
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by Pippa
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Yeah, thats the one,Spin. My frustration stemmed mainly from being unable to request a tune,or part of it, cos it was here already though not in the form I wanted it. I did try the guvnor's hyperlink(?) but drew a blank. I suspect that the transcription here is not far away from the Carignon or Cutting version. Its probably my ignorance of the fiddle/melodeon technique being employed to obtain the sound thats the root of the problem. I am bound to admit,though,that I straightened up some of the errant parts of the transcription here-parts of the first bit and the feel of the second bit-BY LISTENING TO THE LP!! The 3rd part eludes me unfortunately. Thanks for the response anyway.
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dubblestop
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Hi Pippa,I've seen that Munnelly Band version and thats played even faster than the Cutting/Woods and Jean Carignon takes! The lads look like they're enjoying themselves though. If I knew the tune I would submit it. Wonder where they got their transcription from? Oh, woe is me.
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dubblestop
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Sorry ceolachan, I should have said that I've two recordings of this tune(called the American Polka here)-one is by Jean Carignon on an old LP entitled Down Home-its got Aly Bain and others on it. The other is the Cutting/Woods gem of a cd with Castignari on the cover. Oh well,back to the woodshed.
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dubblestop
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I take it that it's the Cutting/Woods take you want a transcription for. I could help you with the Jean Carignon take, but I haven't access to the Cutting / Woods CD, sorry...
Yes to other comments, that way of the David Munnelly band, whew! Where's the fire, eh? They are talented, but you'd have strokes on the dance floor at that much of a rip... I am that impressed with them I'd love to hear them at dance tempo to check out better their ways with it... Can't say I could enjoy it completely that ripped up...
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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David Munnelly is my box teacher i could ask him for the transcriiption and post it
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dinn2
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Yes, that would be cool dinn2, you could add it in the 'Comments' for the transcription already here. I could do that for the Jean Carignan take and then dubblestop could cut and paste and add it into the converter at Concertina.net for the notes... What is it they call it? ~ The Tune-O-Tron:
http://www.concertina.net/
http://www.concertina.net/tunes.html
You need to register to use it, but they're a nice bunch those ol' squeezers...
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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I'll ask around to see if I can get my hands on the Cutting / Wood track to transcribe... It may be awhile though, May, as I'll be away for most of April...
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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ill do my best
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dinn2
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by the way i wont see david for another week so ill post it then
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dinn2
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Damn, that CD is hard to come by... But I have all the information on it now ~
"Chris Wood & Andy Cutting" ~ CD - RUFCD01
"The First recording we made. For many years it was only on cassette but recently we have released it on CD."
Track 5 ~ "Anglo-American Polka"
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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dubblestop, I'm also not keen on the transcription that's already here... I've only just been taking it for a walk...
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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dubblestop, sorry, no luck. I've just had a long and pleasant listen to what I have of Jean Cargnan and this polka wasn't to be found!?
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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Have to say I'm humbled by the 99% positive response I've had to my whinging-it's this bleeding wooden box with wire bits that drives me to begging letters! ceolachan,I think the Carignon take is almost the same as the Cutting /Woods effort but somewhat different to the Munnelly band if only in tempo-at least in part 3. Thanks for taking the time...Why do I torture myself like this! mutter,mutter...
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dubblestop
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If you have windows media player go to the David Munnelly Website click on music and listen to the slower tempo playing and slow iw down using windows media......Is there anything more i can do
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by dinn2
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http://www.davidmunnelly.com/
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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I grabbed the YouTube audio and MP3-ed it. If it is clear enough and I can get a decent enough transcription from it I'll add it in the comments. In the meantime I'll try to get the Carignan recording for it...liking his take and way on most things....
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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CD: "The Legendary Down Home Recordings"
Aly Bain & friends
track 5: Jean Carignan ~ "The British American Polka"
# Posted on March 30th 2007 by ceolachan
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If you have a question about a specific tune, ask the question in the comments to that tune.
Same goes for recordings, sessions and events.
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by Jeremy
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Hey,dinn-tried your instructions and a whole new world of slow tunes just opened up-I need to get out more! Thanks. Unfortunately part 3 of the tune isn't on the sound clip but no matter I'm playing and listening,playing and listening in my head and I can feel the birth pangs-with the help of youse music midwives I think I'm gonna give birth to a version that feels satisfactory to me-maybe not at Munnelly speed but its starting to hang together-think all the notes are actually here in the transcribed version-its my technique that needs a boot up the arse! Wish I'd started at 12 and not 40. Felicitations to y'all.
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by dubblestop
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your welcome
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by dinn2
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Jeremy, thanks for the advice but as the tune was submitted in 2004 I don't think I'd have got the same response to my crie du coeur if it had been buried in the comments section there-I'd still be weeping into my beer. As it is with great support from those above,apart from that illigitimate bloke, I've been inspired to bottom this tune out-hope I don't get struck off-I love this website,warts'n'all.
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by dubblestop
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And I might have missed it, though I'd have eventually got back around to it again. I have now added the several alternate titles for it I'd found online and elsewhere, which has allowed the link-ups to the recordings in the 'Details' for the tune, now rather than later thanks to dubblestop's query...
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by ceolachan
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Rats! Found it on YouTube, but can;t get the *?!**n? thing to play ...
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by benhall.1
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Keep trying benhall.1, I think you'll enjoy it... It will work eventually. Did you try the link above?
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by ceolachan
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You can call me Ben. (Don't care what I call you ... though it would be nice to meet up for a tune or two some day ... maybe bring a drop or two of something as part recompense for those non-arriving goods
)
I will keep trying. I've tried the link above, which I can't get to work at all. I'm currently trying via a direct search on YouTube, but that doesn't seem to be playing either - though at least I get to the part which a shot of the stage.
I also tried the link to the David Munnelly website - good quality on there, but, of course, only a very short sample, so not the whole tune ...
Wow! Someone else posts their frustration ... and now *I'm* frustrated as well!
Hmph!
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by benhall.1
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Hooray! It finally played. Great clip. What's posted on this site in the tunes section is remarkably way off, isn't it?
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by benhall.1
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You buggers! Can't get the perishing tune out of my head now ... I've been playing it half the day ... And now there's a thunderstorm ...
Sheesh!
(PS Anyone interested in my takeon it? I'll post it in the comments of the tune.)
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by benhall.1
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Yes Please
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by dinn2
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Of course...
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by ceolachan
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They're posted now ...
(I've just tried to figure out how to post a link to my 'comment' within the tunes section - it's defeated me - but you guys know where to go.
)
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by benhall.1
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Just to clarify: the newest comments are visible on the "comments" tab in the tunes section. So even if the tune was submitted in 2004, your question would be instantly visible.
If you post a question about a specific tune, recording, session or event in the discussions section, it will simply be moved so it saves time to post it in the right place to begin with.
Hope that clears things up.
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by Jeremy
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Point taken,guv-there are some alleys that I ain't been down on this yeller board.
# Posted on March 31st 2007 by dubblestop
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AAARGHHH!!!
That video - which is BRILLIANT!!!!! - now has, when you go the relevant link on YouTube, the message "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation"
WHATTTTTT??!!!!!!
And I've been and gone and learnt the tune now and everything ... ephemeral or what ...
# Posted on April 2nd 2007 by benhall.1
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Yep,saw that Benhall-anybody got any idea who would or why they would remove the clip? Surely not to do with good ole Benhall transcribing the tune!
# Posted on April 6th 2007 by dubblestop
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... oh PLEASE don't say I had anything to do with it ... nah ... couldn't be ...
# Posted on April 6th 2007 by benhall.1