Well Ptarmy,
whatever about Mothers Day, I'm playing 'Last Nights Fun' after our extraordinary win over Pakistan in cricket world cup! Can you believe it - bit like your local parish soccer team taking on Man United or whoever and beating them in a competitive match.
Yep, winning all over the place - thrashed Italy at the rugby and the bookmakers at Cheltenham in the Gold Cup- there must be a few good tunes on the theme of horses and jockeys, mustn't there?
Isn't it a just a teensy bit worrying, though, when Ireland start getting good at CRICKET??? Whatever next- croquet, cucumber sandwiches?
Ah yes, cricket has always been a tiny niche sport in Ireland unlike the other 'garrison' games of soccer and rugby which have a solid following. Mind you, I believe there are some good teams in unlikely spots like Mayo nowadays due to workers coming in from far climes. If we do meet up against the old enemy later in this tournament it'll be interesting, not least because yer man, Ed Joyce went and jumped ship: far off fields being greener etc.
re horses and jockeys: The Steeplechase and Saddle the Pony come to mind.
Saw the game on silent from a pub in Newcastle where we were playing. I could care less, to be fair, but it was funny to watch people try to explain it to me.
Hey Hussar, when you think about it, Ireland has a wealth of talented athletes who they could call on for their Cricket team, guys who could probably knock a ball from here to Cuba with a stick - the Hurlers!
Silver- that must be some kind of first- having the rules of cricket explained to you while playing the pipes- surreel or what?
Just out of interest, how come hurling hasn't implanted itself widely elsewhere in the world?- maybe Wackypedia's (Australian) quote about it being 'two degrees safer than war' might explain it
"Hurling, once described as "a mixture of hockey, lacrosse and armed robbery,"" & .... "With "hurley" sticks being swung around at head-height and players wearing little or no protective gear, the game can be dangerous." Now isn't that surprising?
Hurling is Irish, simply as that, and not played elsewhere. The working class hard men in England play cricket, the others play rugby.
As for shock value, I reckon our parish side is capable of beating Man United, who are not very good. No this is a bit like Colombia beating USA at basketball.
And worthy of a tune being composed in its honour, political of course as sport is merely an extension of politics.
Yes, hurling is the game alright and very televisual in it's own way - problem is like soccer, the halves are too long - not enough time for TV commercials: that's the cynic in me!!
It's always surreal when people try to explain the rules of cricket. Which they never quite do because inevitably someone else will interject, "Don't bother. She's American."
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.
When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!"
"Hurling is Irish, simply as that, and not played elsewhere"
except where it's called shinty
I was watching the last over of the Ireland-Pakistan game last night in a hotel bar with a lot of Irish folk. They were a bit hesitant when yer man whacked it for six with one run needed - don't think they knew what was going on until the commentary said Ireland had won, then they all got up and cheered. Maybe they thought it was time for a line-out or something with the ball going out on the full.
Fortunately , bodhran bliss, Ireland may have lost Ed Joyce (you'd think a plonker called Liam Plunkett might've had a chance playing for Ireland too?) but they picked up a couple of Aussies
" ... except where it's called shinty" - Quite correct Bren. Maybe the Ulster-Scots over here should adopt Shinty as their flagship sport! I doubt if they'd call it by it's other names of Iomain or Camanachd though! ( Scottish Gaelic ) Nor, I fear, would they revel in the game's close ties with the Gaelic culture and the fact that it has generally flourished in the Gaidhealtachd! Of course the first thing they'd have to do is rewrite the rules in Ulster-Scots!
If they did though, can't you just imagine the Hurling/Shinty matches that they'd be playing at the new sports stadium at the Maze? http://www.stadiumforbelfast.com/
Congratulations to the Irish team - however there are rumours circulating that the Pakistani team threw the game. If the Pakistanis weren't to play the game in the spirit with which it demands then they shouldn't have been there. Good luck to the Irish for taking the opportunity. Very sad regarding Bob Woolmer - I hope there were no untoward factors in his death.
Shinty is not hurling, nothing like it. Just as baseball is not cricket. It really is that big a difference.
I remember Woolmer playing, and a great coach, worked wonders with Pakistan in uniting them as a team.
The first combined shinty/hurling match took place in 1897
In Ireland, in May 1897, it was reported that "the final preparations" for a fixture between Dublin Celtic and Glasgow Cowal in Glasgow were complete. Rules were set and colours chosen for a match reported as "the first between Irish hurlers and Scottish shinty men on Scottish soil". The Celtics left Dublin on Friday evening by the Dublin Life Boat.
This game, which was being looked forward to with much interest by Highlanders in Glasgow, took place on the Saturday afternoon at Parkhead, by kind permission of the Celtic Football Club. "Each combination wielded sticks peculiar to their respective countries. Those of the Irishmen resembling elongated bats. A number of the Irishmen played in their bare feet. Mr. MacFarlane, Oban, ex-president of the Scottish Shinty Association acted as a referee. There was a big crowd of spectators, amongst whom were many well-known Highlanders!"
The Scots made a stunning start to the game and led 8-0 at the interval, with David Chisholm scoring seven of them. A larger size of ball, and one similar to that usually played with in hurling games, was brought out in the second period, and the advantage to the Irishmen was immediately evident.
They had, however, to concede defeat in the end by 11 goals to 2. [ Yeeeeee Haaaaaaaaa! ]
It was immediately reported that a return match was to be played in Dublin on Glasgow Fair Saturday, July 17. This was played in Dublin as scheduled, in front of a poor attendance in "oppressive weather" at the City ground on Suburban Road, Jones Road. The Irish were said to have "made a fair show against the Glasgow men considering the fact that they had never before tried their luck at the game".
The referee was none other than Michael Cusack and Cowal again won, by a reduced margin of two goals to nil.
The difference in the scale of Scotland's victory between the two games has been a mystery which can now be clarified. As the second game was fixed for the Glasgow Fair Holiday, six key Cowal players decided that they would head for Argyll rather than Dublin!
The match was also to be played 15-a-side instead of 12 as in Glasgow, due to the bigger pitch. All this taxed Cowal's resources. The match was reported as one of the most exciting games of shinty or hurling that has ever been seen in Dublin.
The irony was that it was to be another 27 years – in 1924 - before a great game would be played between Irish and Scottish hurlers on Irish soil. By then Ireland itself, never mind camanachd, would be very different.
Thankfully the links established in the 1880s have survived and Ireland now meet Scotland in international challenge matches at a number of levels, including a women's match. One wonders what the great hero himself and the Warrior Queen Sgathach would have thought of it all."
hi bliss
ill stay out of the hurling disscussion because im over qualified . is there anything cork people are nt good at.
up the rebels
p.s. hurling has a high fitness level but a higher skill level . not many sports like that.
Cork hurlers are like mushrooms .They can come over night . Down had a great coach last year Seanie Farrell from Cork so we ll take a little bit of credit for Downs performance .
"Tell all the cats you know that they ll never get three in a row . they have 29 and they think that is fine but they ll never get three in a row"
Ireland beating Pakistan in cricket is a bit like Antrim beating Cork in hurling.............................. im going for a pint and a tune good luck
I was at the Clancy Week when Ireland beat Italy in the World Cup. The very next day they were selling commemorative T Shirts, I stll have mine somewhere
I've just heard on the news that the Jamaican Police have announced that Bob Woolmer (the Pakistan cricket coach) was murdered by strangulation. A murder investigation has started. There are rumours (so far unsubstantiated) that he had uncovered some shady goings-on in the gambling world.
Ireland beat Pakistan!!!
Ireland beat Pakistan!!!
Well Ptarmy,
whatever about Mothers Day, I'm playing 'Last Nights Fun' after our extraordinary win over Pakistan in cricket world cup! Can you believe it - bit like your local parish soccer team taking on Man United or whoever and beating them in a competitive match.
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by the wounded hussar
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Aye hussar, & a huge CONGRATULATIONS to the team.
However, I bet it won't be half as satisfying for them, as the day they beat England! Yeee Haaa
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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Things are getting pretty snotty in Pakistan this morning over their loss. It's being reported even here in the states.
What's cricket anyhow? {joke!}
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by jrathbun
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Yep, winning all over the place - thrashed Italy at the rugby and the bookmakers at Cheltenham in the Gold Cup- there must be a few good tunes on the theme of horses and jockeys, mustn't there?
Isn't it a just a teensy bit worrying, though, when Ireland start getting good at CRICKET??? Whatever next- croquet, cucumber sandwiches?
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by P-K
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OK Now I know how to play Cricket & Croquet P-K but pray tell, how the bejayzus does one play "cucumber sandwiches" ..... old sport?
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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Now, Ptarmigan, my good man, I'm not sure we should 'go there', as the popular vernacular saying goes...
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by P-K
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Fair enough old boy - toodle pip!
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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Ah yes, cricket has always been a tiny niche sport in Ireland unlike the other 'garrison' games of soccer and rugby which have a solid following. Mind you, I believe there are some good teams in unlikely spots like Mayo nowadays due to workers coming in from far climes. If we do meet up against the old enemy later in this tournament it'll be interesting, not least because yer man, Ed Joyce went and jumped ship: far off fields being greener etc.
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by the wounded hussar
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re horses and jockeys: The Steeplechase and Saddle the Pony come to mind.
Saw the game on silent from a pub in Newcastle where we were playing. I could care less, to be fair, but it was funny to watch people try to explain it to me.
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by TheSilverSpear
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Hey Hussar, when you think about it, Ireland has a wealth of talented athletes who they could call on for their Cricket team, guys who could probably knock a ball from here to Cuba with a stick - the Hurlers!
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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Silver- that must be some kind of first- having the rules of cricket explained to you while playing the pipes- surreel or what?
Just out of interest, how come hurling hasn't implanted itself widely elsewhere in the world?- maybe Wackypedia's (Australian) quote about it being 'two degrees safer than war' might explain it
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by P-K
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"Hurling, once described as "a mixture of hockey, lacrosse and armed robbery,"" & .... "With "hurley" sticks being swung around at head-height and players wearing little or no protective gear, the game can be dangerous." Now isn't that surprising?
From - "Hurling as painful as it looks"
http://gauntlet.ucalgary.ca/story/9947
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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Hurling is Irish, simply as that, and not played elsewhere. The working class hard men in England play cricket, the others play rugby.
As for shock value, I reckon our parish side is capable of beating Man United, who are not very good. No this is a bit like Colombia beating USA at basketball.
And worthy of a tune being composed in its honour, political of course as sport is merely an extension of politics.
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by bodhran bliss
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Yes, hurling is the game alright and very televisual in it's own way - problem is like soccer, the halves are too long - not enough time for TV commercials: that's the cynic in me!!
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by the wounded hussar
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... & just in case you don't know what we're talking about here, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-kB1e96CA
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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It's always surreal when people try to explain the rules of cricket. Which they never quite do because inevitably someone else will interject, "Don't bother. She's American."
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by TheSilverSpear
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" .... political of course as sport is merely an extension of politics." - Or, put another way, sport is more political even, than politics!
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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Just for you Silver!
"The Rules of Cricket
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.
When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!"
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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Ptarmigan, I was just trying to remember that. I think it is on a tea-towel or something. It really could have been made up by Lewis Carroll.
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by nicholas
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Aye Nicholas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_towel_explanation_of_cricket
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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"Hurling is Irish, simply as that, and not played elsewhere"
except where it's called shinty
I was watching the last over of the Ireland-Pakistan game last night in a hotel bar with a lot of Irish folk. They were a bit hesitant when yer man whacked it for six with one run needed - don't think they knew what was going on until the commentary said Ireland had won, then they all got up and cheered. Maybe they thought it was time for a line-out or something with the ball going out on the full.
Fortunately , bodhran bliss, Ireland may have lost Ed Joyce (you'd think a plonker called Liam Plunkett might've had a chance playing for Ireland too?) but they picked up a couple of Aussies
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Bren
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" ... except where it's called shinty" - Quite correct Bren. Maybe the Ulster-Scots over here should adopt Shinty as their flagship sport! I doubt if they'd call it by it's other names of Iomain or Camanachd though! ( Scottish Gaelic ) Nor, I fear, would they revel in the game's close ties with the Gaelic culture and the fact that it has generally flourished in the Gaidhealtachd! Of course the first thing they'd have to do is rewrite the rules in Ulster-Scots!
If they did though, can't you just imagine the Hurling/Shinty matches that they'd be playing at the new sports stadium at the Maze?
http://www.stadiumforbelfast.com/
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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FWIW our club has a very promising young Galway athlete running us by the name of Gary Thornton - a stunning 5th in the recent English National X-country champs (I was miles away back):
http://www.kentac.org.uk/FRAMES/Cross_Country/2007/National/National07.htm
http://www.athenryac.com/athenry_10k_champ_fifth_in_english_cross_country_championships
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
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I suspect not in good taste to continue this thread as its just been announced that the coach of Pakistan was found dead this morning.
# Posted on March 18th 2007 by bazouki dave and the real tooty flutey
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Oy.
The things people get scarily intense and insane about are usually not worth it at all.
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by TheSilverSpear
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Sounds maybe like the poor man died of a heart attack - very sad really:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13573253,00.html
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad
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Congratulations to the Irish team - however there are rumours circulating that the Pakistani team threw the game. If the Pakistanis weren't to play the game in the spirit with which it demands then they shouldn't have been there. Good luck to the Irish for taking the opportunity. Very sad regarding Bob Woolmer - I hope there were no untoward factors in his death.
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by Brown Creeper
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I have a problem with sports played in sweaters.
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by Kheelch
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Shinty is not hurling, nothing like it. Just as baseball is not cricket. It really is that big a difference.
I remember Woolmer playing, and a great coach, worked wonders with Pakistan in uniting them as a team.
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by bodhran bliss
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Nitpicker!
The first combined shinty/hurling match took place in 1897
In Ireland, in May 1897, it was reported that "the final preparations" for a fixture between Dublin Celtic and Glasgow Cowal in Glasgow were complete. Rules were set and colours chosen for a match reported as "the first between Irish hurlers and Scottish shinty men on Scottish soil". The Celtics left Dublin on Friday evening by the Dublin Life Boat.
This game, which was being looked forward to with much interest by Highlanders in Glasgow, took place on the Saturday afternoon at Parkhead, by kind permission of the Celtic Football Club. "Each combination wielded sticks peculiar to their respective countries. Those of the Irishmen resembling elongated bats. A number of the Irishmen played in their bare feet. Mr. MacFarlane, Oban, ex-president of the Scottish Shinty Association acted as a referee. There was a big crowd of spectators, amongst whom were many well-known Highlanders!"
The Scots made a stunning start to the game and led 8-0 at the interval, with David Chisholm scoring seven of them. A larger size of ball, and one similar to that usually played with in hurling games, was brought out in the second period, and the advantage to the Irishmen was immediately evident.
They had, however, to concede defeat in the end by 11 goals to 2. [ Yeeeeee Haaaaaaaaa!
]
It was immediately reported that a return match was to be played in Dublin on Glasgow Fair Saturday, July 17. This was played in Dublin as scheduled, in front of a poor attendance in "oppressive weather" at the City ground on Suburban Road, Jones Road. The Irish were said to have "made a fair show against the Glasgow men considering the fact that they had never before tried their luck at the game".
The referee was none other than Michael Cusack and Cowal again won, by a reduced margin of two goals to nil.
The difference in the scale of Scotland's victory between the two games has been a mystery which can now be clarified. As the second game was fixed for the Glasgow Fair Holiday, six key Cowal players decided that they would head for Argyll rather than Dublin!
The match was also to be played 15-a-side instead of 12 as in Glasgow, due to the bigger pitch. All this taxed Cowal's resources. The match was reported as one of the most exciting games of shinty or hurling that has ever been seen in Dublin.
The irony was that it was to be another 27 years – in 1924 - before a great game would be played between Irish and Scottish hurlers on Irish soil. By then Ireland itself, never mind camanachd, would be very different.
Thankfully the links established in the 1880s have survived and Ireland now meet Scotland in international challenge matches at a number of levels, including a women's match. One wonders what the great hero himself and the Warrior Queen Sgathach would have thought of it all."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sportscotland/asportingnation/article/0084/index.shtml
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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hi bliss
ill stay out of the hurling disscussion because im over qualified . is there anything cork people are nt good at.
up the rebels
p.s. hurling has a high fitness level but a higher skill level . not many sports like that.
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by Saint
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I've played in the hurling V shinty matches, a bit like the "Compromise" rules we use to play against the Aussies.
And when "The Cats" domination is over, I am sure Cork will rise again. Beating Down by two points? Hope for the future there, Saint.
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by bodhran bliss
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Cork hurlers are like mushrooms .They can come over night . Down had a great coach last year Seanie Farrell from Cork so we ll take a little bit of credit for Downs performance .
"Tell all the cats you know that they ll never get three in a row . they have 29 and they think that is fine but they ll never get three in a row"
Ireland beating Pakistan in cricket is a bit like Antrim beating Cork in hurling.............................. im going for a pint and a tune good luck
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by Saint
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Ah, so it could happen then Saint?
# Posted on March 19th 2007 by Ptarmigan
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Heard on the news today that the Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board has resigned.
# Posted on March 20th 2007 by lazyhound
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I was at the Clancy Week when Ireland beat Italy in the World Cup. The very next day they were selling commemorative T Shirts, I stll have mine somewhere
# Posted on March 21st 2007 by ricthewhistle
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I've just heard on the news that the Jamaican Police have announced that Bob Woolmer (the Pakistan cricket coach) was murdered by strangulation. A murder investigation has started. There are rumours (so far unsubstantiated) that he had uncovered some shady goings-on in the gambling world.
# Posted on March 23rd 2007 by lazyhound
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Geeez, that's scary, there sure are some evil ba$tards out there!
# Posted on March 23rd 2007 by Ptarmigan