Following on from a couple of recent discussions on different styles of playing tunes (John J) and tune identity (Llig), just how much of a tune do we need before it becomes recognisable or, put another way, just how much can you change a tune before it loses its identity (I seem to remember some discussion regarding a variant of Cliffs of Moher).
Obviously there is more to a tune than just the notes (as in relative pitches) but consider the following example. (I haven’t used ABCs because they refer to keys, so instead have resorted to the notation used in that advanced music course I did when I was a wee lad.)
What about other tunes? How much can you pare them down before they lose their essential character? Or does this all boil down to the fact that there are only seven tunes anyway (or is that dramatic plots)?
You do know to ventilate your workshop when you're messing around with glues and other volatile liquids. No matter how nice the smell, you shouldn't...
What (sniff) are you implying, c, (sniff)? Where's my septum gone?
Ok, with notes:
|G2GG GGGG|B2BB BBBB|G2 GG GGGG|A2AA AAAA|
|G2GG GGGG|B2BB BBBB|E2EE EEEE|gggg AAAA:|
What I'm thinking is that some species of animal in different parts of the world get separated geographically and evolve into distinct species which have familial links but are genetically different and may not even interbreed. Does the same process occur with tunes and when do tunes derived from the same original become distinct enough to become different tunes?
No, more closely related, like blackbirds and thrushes or langurs and gibbons or sitka spruce and norway spruce or Mrs MacLeod and Miss McLeod ( which are the tunes alluded to by the above).
Ah well, maybe the idea is too academic for an aural tradition.
Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
Following on from a couple of recent discussions on different styles of playing tunes (John J) and tune identity (Llig), just how much of a tune do we need before it becomes recognisable or, put another way, just how much can you change a tune before it loses its identity (I seem to remember some discussion regarding a variant of Cliffs of Moher).
Obviously there is more to a tune than just the notes (as in relative pitches) but consider the following example. (I haven’t used ABCs because they refer to keys, so instead have resorted to the notation used in that advanced music course I did when I was a wee lad.)
X:1
M:C|
L:1/8
R:reel
K: sol-fa
|do8|me8|do8|re8|do8|me8|la8|do4re4:|
What tune or tunes spring to mind, if any?
What about other tunes? How much can you pare them down before they lose their essential character? Or does this all boil down to the fact that there are only seven tunes anyway (or is that dramatic plots)?
Discuss.
# Posted on February 8th 2007 by DonaldK
Re: Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
Mmm, no takers.
OK. Add some rhythm:
|do2 dodo dodododo|me2 meme memememe|
|do2 dodo dodododo|re2 rere rererere|
|do2 dodo dodododo|me2 meme memememe|
|la2 lala lalalala|dodododo rererere:|
Sound a bit like hohohoho heeheeteehee.
# Posted on February 8th 2007 by DonaldK
Re: Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
Maybe you shouldn't be left on your own and all sharp objects should be removed ~ for a start...
# Posted on February 8th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
You do know to ventilate your workshop when you're messing around with glues and other volatile liquids. No matter how nice the smell, you shouldn't...
# Posted on February 8th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
What (sniff) are you implying, c, (sniff)? Where's my septum gone?
Ok, with notes:
|G2GG GGGG|B2BB BBBB|G2 GG GGGG|A2AA AAAA|
|G2GG GGGG|B2BB BBBB|E2EE EEEE|gggg AAAA:|
What I'm thinking is that some species of animal in different parts of the world get separated geographically and evolve into distinct species which have familial links but are genetically different and may not even interbreed. Does the same process occur with tunes and when do tunes derived from the same original become distinct enough to become different tunes?
# Posted on February 8th 2007 by DonaldK
Re: Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
Like robins and blackbirds then?
# Posted on February 8th 2007 by ceolachan
Re: Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
No, more closely related, like blackbirds and thrushes or langurs and gibbons or sitka spruce and norway spruce or Mrs MacLeod and Miss McLeod ( which are the tunes alluded to by the above).
Ah well, maybe the idea is too academic for an aural tradition.
# Posted on February 9th 2007 by DonaldK
Re: Identifying Tunes or Tune Identity (again)
I know, it's Miss McLeod! Oh, I'm too late, sorry.
# Posted on February 9th 2007 by Dow