(newbie question) what is in the recordings section
(newbie question) what is in the recordings section
I am sure this is covered elsewhere, but I have not found it so here goes. What actually is in the recordings section, I have tried to open various items and all I find is links to shopping sites, or nothing at all.
Does the site actually offer the chance to hear recordings of individual tunes for those people like me who have no intention of learning to read the dots.
Is this limited to comercial recordings, or do you have musicians generous enough to post tutorials on individual tunes offering advice on variation, ornamentation etc.
Sessions and practice at home are all very well, but I and a lot of other people learned everything we know from those times when a member of the previous generation would take us aside for five minutes and take a tune to peices for us, showing ideas of how and when to slur, triple or hold a note. Do those rare and generous people, the Michael Moriarty's Chris Jordan's and Tony Murphy"s contribute to this site, and where are they. Thanks.
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
There are no recordings attached to the Recordings section. Your best chance of finding roughly what a particular recorded tune sounds like is to look it up in the Tunes section. There, all the tunes with sheet music also have a midi sound recording of this. If your computer has a sound system and loudspeakers, you just click on the name of one of the tunes listed; when the individual tune comes up, click on Download; then click on the red title under Sound Files. You'll hear a plink-plonk version of exactly what is printed in the sheet music. It may differ in speed from the tune as normally played, sometimes has glitches, and will reproduce any mistakes made in the submission of the tune. Matt Molloy or Kevin Burke it ain't, but it's still very useful to have.
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Thanks I have checked that out, very useful for reminding yourself how to get back in to a tune you have not played for ten years, and also for a tune you have heard lots but never learned. Not much help with a new tune though, this is supposed to be an oral tradition after all.
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Actually, it's supposed to be an "aural" tradition.
I don't read dots very well, so I use the ABC notation from the Tunes section quite a bit. There are a multitude of different ABC players out there, many of which will do a better job of producing something useful to listen to.
IMO, Barfly on Macintosh is the best ABC player out there. It allows you to specify different note in-equivalencies for different types of tunes (meaning it can play with a decent sounding swing, instead of sounding like a straight piece of Rock and Roll midi). And it allows you to use sound fonts. The software author even built a sound font of a concertina, and that's what I use. It sounds reasonably like someone playing the tune.
That's a good way to at least remember how a tune goes. And can be a valuable tool for learning tunes. Of course, you're missing all the wonderful variation that you would get from a real recording (both rhythmic variation as well as note variations). So it helps to listen to a lot of different settings of the tunes that you're learning.
That's where the recordings section comes in handy. You can find out what recordings have the tunes you want, and often times, they have links to be able to purchase those recordings.
Also, as Jeremy pointed out, sometimes the Comments section of a particular tune listing on the site can be your best friend, because people often post different settings of the same tune in ABC format there.
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Hello ubendum
I'm afraid you've inadvertently highlighted the biggest flaw by far with this web site.
Yes. It's an aural tradition.
Yes. If anyone has a tutorial or even a simple recording to offer then they would need to list it as a link and host it elsewhere.
Yes. There is no actual music on this site, only convention renderings - abc, dots etc. Yes, these can be useful, but on no account are they necessary. You say you have "no intention of learning to read the dots", Don't be bullied into changing your mind.
Yes. You can get this site to make a noise, but no amount of imagination could possibly convince you that that those hideous midi files could be of any use to anyone. Quite the reverse in fact.
Makes it all sound pretty grim and worthless, however, all is not lost. There's plenty of people who know what they're on about here, and even a good laugh now and then. And in the spirit of true democracy, I confidently predict that I will soon be roundly contradicted.
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Thank you Reverend!
I obviously am as green as I am cabbage coloured! I honestly though ABC files were those horrible things my daughters used to bring back from school in order to learn to play three blind mice on recorder!
Text editors that play music! Excellent! still not the real thing of course but a whole lot better than I thought possible.
So... going off one one of those wild tangents that I justly mocked for.. You can use an ABC file to note variations to a tune, now I usually play about 5 or 6 variations to each phrase, a typical simple tune has 32 phrases...... does this thing have a randomisation effect built in to it so it could select a variation each time it played a phrase at random? That would, as rough calculation, come to a number of total variations represented by a number with between 25 and 30 noughts after it, more than I could do if I did nothing but play the same tune without sleep for the rest of my life.
I am not saying that this is a good idea, but you cannot deny it is an idea!
(newbie question) what is in the recordings section
(newbie question) what is in the recordings section
I am sure this is covered elsewhere, but I have not found it so here goes. What actually is in the recordings section, I have tried to open various items and all I find is links to shopping sites, or nothing at all.
Does the site actually offer the chance to hear recordings of individual tunes for those people like me who have no intention of learning to read the dots.
Is this limited to comercial recordings, or do you have musicians generous enough to post tutorials on individual tunes offering advice on variation, ornamentation etc.
Sessions and practice at home are all very well, but I and a lot of other people learned everything we know from those times when a member of the previous generation would take us aside for five minutes and take a tune to peices for us, showing ideas of how and when to slur, triple or hold a note. Do those rare and generous people, the Michael Moriarty's Chris Jordan's and Tony Murphy"s contribute to this site, and where are they. Thanks.
# Posted on January 10th 2007 by ubendum
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
The recordings section is for listing the track listings of albums.
If you're looking for info on variation, ornamentation, etc., look in the comments in the tunes section.
# Posted on January 10th 2007 by Jeremy
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Does that mean that if anyone has a tutorial to offer then they would need to list it as a link and host it elsewhere?
# Posted on January 10th 2007 by ubendum
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
There are no recordings attached to the Recordings section. Your best chance of finding roughly what a particular recorded tune sounds like is to look it up in the Tunes section. There, all the tunes with sheet music also have a midi sound recording of this. If your computer has a sound system and loudspeakers, you just click on the name of one of the tunes listed; when the individual tune comes up, click on Download; then click on the red title under Sound Files. You'll hear a plink-plonk version of exactly what is printed in the sheet music. It may differ in speed from the tune as normally played, sometimes has glitches, and will reproduce any mistakes made in the submission of the tune. Matt Molloy or Kevin Burke it ain't, but it's still very useful to have.
# Posted on January 10th 2007 by nicholas
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Thanks I have checked that out, very useful for reminding yourself how to get back in to a tune you have not played for ten years, and also for a tune you have heard lots but never learned. Not much help with a new tune though, this is supposed to be an oral tradition after all.
# Posted on January 10th 2007 by ubendum
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Actually, it's supposed to be an "aural" tradition.
I don't read dots very well, so I use the ABC notation from the Tunes section quite a bit. There are a multitude of different ABC players out there, many of which will do a better job of producing something useful to listen to.
IMO, Barfly on Macintosh is the best ABC player out there. It allows you to specify different note in-equivalencies for different types of tunes (meaning it can play with a decent sounding swing, instead of sounding like a straight piece of Rock and Roll midi). And it allows you to use sound fonts. The software author even built a sound font of a concertina, and that's what I use. It sounds reasonably like someone playing the tune.
That's a good way to at least remember how a tune goes. And can be a valuable tool for learning tunes. Of course, you're missing all the wonderful variation that you would get from a real recording (both rhythmic variation as well as note variations). So it helps to listen to a lot of different settings of the tunes that you're learning.
That's where the recordings section comes in handy. You can find out what recordings have the tunes you want, and often times, they have links to be able to purchase those recordings.
Also, as Jeremy pointed out, sometimes the Comments section of a particular tune listing on the site can be your best friend, because people often post different settings of the same tune in ABC format there.
Good luck!
Pete
# Posted on January 10th 2007 by Reverend
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Hello ubendum
I'm afraid you've inadvertently highlighted the biggest flaw by far with this web site.
Yes. It's an aural tradition.
Yes. If anyone has a tutorial or even a simple recording to offer then they would need to list it as a link and host it elsewhere.
Yes. There is no actual music on this site, only convention renderings - abc, dots etc. Yes, these can be useful, but on no account are they necessary. You say you have "no intention of learning to read the dots", Don't be bullied into changing your mind.
Yes. You can get this site to make a noise, but no amount of imagination could possibly convince you that that those hideous midi files could be of any use to anyone. Quite the reverse in fact.
Makes it all sound pretty grim and worthless, however, all is not lost. There's plenty of people who know what they're on about here, and even a good laugh now and then. And in the spirit of true democracy, I confidently predict that I will soon be roundly contradicted.
# Posted on January 11th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: (newbie question) what is in the recordings section
Thank you Reverend!
I obviously am as green as I am cabbage coloured! I honestly though ABC files were those horrible things my daughters used to bring back from school in order to learn to play three blind mice on recorder!
Text editors that play music! Excellent! still not the real thing of course but a whole lot better than I thought possible.
So... going off one one of those wild tangents that I justly mocked for.. You can use an ABC file to note variations to a tune, now I usually play about 5 or 6 variations to each phrase, a typical simple tune has 32 phrases...... does this thing have a randomisation effect built in to it so it could select a variation each time it played a phrase at random? That would, as rough calculation, come to a number of total variations represented by a number with between 25 and 30 noughts after it, more than I could do if I did nothing but play the same tune without sleep for the rest of my life.
I am not saying that this is a good idea, but you cannot deny it is an idea!
# Posted on January 11th 2007 by ubendum