Hi,
I saw a baldoni bartoli in d/c# on ebay recently, but the seller decided half ways through the listing to keep the item....does anybody know any where abouts of how I could get my hands on such a prestigious item?
..hmm...I don't know if Joe Derrane still has his. Its shown on the cover of "Give Us Another".
Baldoni still offers an Irish model, but its not the same thing. Ivo Baldoni replied to my inquiry last year and said they could configure one D/C# instead of B/C or C#/D.
These were most commonly played in the New York and Boston areas and there are still a few nice players around.
The late Jim Coogan (R.I.P.), a lovely man, played one, as do some of my buddies from Boston.
My D/C# is a Walters, but I have a couple of unrestored Baldonis in storage with the other stuff from my shop. Often when you do find them they have been played ....not exactly to death, but to the point that to restore them is as costly as buying a new accordion.
Watch the 'bay and try to find someone who plays and teaches the system to get into the grapevine of the players. Even if you are far from the NE USA it is possible Joe Derrane or another good player will come to a festival near you. And rumor has it that some fine players in Ireland have taken up the D/C#.
I play D/C# myself, and I love it, after starting out on B/C and trying my hand at C#/D.
I also hear that it's becoming popular with some French Canadian players. There are still too few of us though, and the only way to get a box is to have it custom made.
Hi - what's the advantage of the C#/D and the D/C# system over the B/C? I play a BC box myself and would like to upgrade to a really good box - but would consider moving to a different tuning if it adds to the way I play. Does the difference add to the 'pop' of the music?
That's an interesting question. I've hear a couple of theories. One thoughtful the other practical. I just went through the same decision making process and bought a new B/C.
I am told by some that it is a philosophical difference among those trying to move back to a more traditional melodian keying style from the smoother "modern style" that became prevalent in the 1940;s through 1960's where the smoother keying flow of the B/C was desired.
Also, if you play with fiddles, the key of A is pretty dominant and I am told by better players that the C#/D is better for playing opposite the fiddles.
I f you own a BC but have an interest in the C#D style of playing you might like to visit Jonathan Roche's myspace site: http://www.myspace.com/kincoraforsale.
He's demonstrating a BC box he has for sale but is playing it in the C#D manner ie. the 2 tunes are being played 'up and down the inner row' and come out in the key of C. If you listened carefully and copied his examples I think you would get a real feel for the C#D approach and sound.
Actually, Jonathon is a member of this site and since he obviously plays both systems very well, it would be great to get his thoughts on this matter.
Also, as a player myself, I definitely agree that the key of A is a bonus for the C#D system. OTOH the key of G takes a little time to get comfortable with.
I forgot to mention that as part of my first comment on a philosphical attitudes, the B/C primarily played "on the draw" where the C#/D, like the older melodions are played "on the push".
I got in the middle of a discussion on this. There is a group that gets very emotional that the "modern style" of button box- the "on the draw"- is an inappropriate expression of ITM, where as the "on the push" is legit.
After we argue that one we can go over relative merits of the flat keyboard vs stepped which was discussed here a couple weeks ago, an was a lively source of discussion when I was in Ireland last summer!
The Ivo Baldoni company (to my knowledge) has no connection with the old Baldoni-Bartoli of New York City. Any box made by his firm would not be connect to the old company. I do not think that they make D/C# boxes.
does anybody have or know where i can get my hands on any old baldoni bartoli accordions? preferably a 2 row d/c#, but im up for anything, and even so, have any stories, info on them?
baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
Hi,
I saw a baldoni bartoli in d/c# on ebay recently, but the seller decided half ways through the listing to keep the item....does anybody know any where abouts of how I could get my hands on such a prestigious item?
# Posted on December 8th 2006 by hibbs21
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
..hmm...I don't know if Joe Derrane still has his. Its shown on the cover of "Give Us Another".
Baldoni still offers an Irish model, but its not the same thing. Ivo Baldoni replied to my inquiry last year and said they could configure one D/C# instead of B/C or C#/D.
# Posted on December 8th 2006 by pubpersona
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
These were most commonly played in the New York and Boston areas and there are still a few nice players around.
The late Jim Coogan (R.I.P.), a lovely man, played one, as do some of my buddies from Boston.
My D/C# is a Walters, but I have a couple of unrestored Baldonis in storage with the other stuff from my shop. Often when you do find them they have been played ....not exactly to death, but to the point that to restore them is as costly as buying a new accordion.
Watch the 'bay and try to find someone who plays and teaches the system to get into the grapevine of the players. Even if you are far from the NE USA it is possible Joe Derrane or another good player will come to a festival near you. And rumor has it that some fine players in Ireland have taken up the D/C#.
Good luck,
Paul Groff
# Posted on December 8th 2006 by Paul Groff
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
I play D/C# myself, and I love it, after starting out on B/C and trying my hand at C#/D.
I also hear that it's becoming popular with some French Canadian players. There are still too few of us though, and the only way to get a box is to have it custom made.
# Posted on December 8th 2006 by pennhorse
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
Hi - what's the advantage of the C#/D and the D/C# system over the B/C? I play a BC box myself and would like to upgrade to a really good box - but would consider moving to a different tuning if it adds to the way I play. Does the difference add to the 'pop' of the music?
thanks
Nathan
# Posted on December 8th 2006 by Brown Creeper
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
That's an interesting question. I've hear a couple of theories. One thoughtful the other practical. I just went through the same decision making process and bought a new B/C.
I am told by some that it is a philosophical difference among those trying to move back to a more traditional melodian keying style from the smoother "modern style" that became prevalent in the 1940;s through 1960's where the smoother keying flow of the B/C was desired.
Also, if you play with fiddles, the key of A is pretty dominant and I am told by better players that the C#/D is better for playing opposite the fiddles.
My C#/D may be next years investment.
# Posted on December 8th 2006 by zippydw
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
I f you own a BC but have an interest in the C#D style of playing you might like to visit Jonathan Roche's myspace site: http://www.myspace.com/kincoraforsale.
He's demonstrating a BC box he has for sale but is playing it in the C#D manner ie. the 2 tunes are being played 'up and down the inner row' and come out in the key of C. If you listened carefully and copied his examples I think you would get a real feel for the C#D approach and sound.
Actually, Jonathon is a member of this site and since he obviously plays both systems very well, it would be great to get his thoughts on this matter.
Also, as a player myself, I definitely agree that the key of A is a bonus for the C#D system. OTOH the key of G takes a little time to get comfortable with.
# Posted on December 8th 2006 by greg.box
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
I forgot to mention that as part of my first comment on a philosphical attitudes, the B/C primarily played "on the draw" where the C#/D, like the older melodions are played "on the push".
I got in the middle of a discussion on this. There is a group that gets very emotional that the "modern style" of button box- the "on the draw"- is an inappropriate expression of ITM, where as the "on the push" is legit.
After we argue that one we can go over relative merits of the flat keyboard vs stepped which was discussed here a couple weeks ago, an was a lively source of discussion when I was in Ireland last summer!
# Posted on December 9th 2006 by zippydw
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
The Ivo Baldoni company (to my knowledge) has no connection with the old Baldoni-Bartoli of New York City. Any box made by his firm would not be connect to the old company. I do not think that they make D/C# boxes.
Hughor
# Posted on December 10th 2006 by hughor
anyone have a d/c# baldoni bartoli for sale?
does anyone have a d/c# baldoni bartoli for sale, or any baldoni bartoli for that matter? email me with anything thanks!
# Posted on December 20th 2006 by hibbs21
baldoni bartoli accordions
does anybody have or know where i can get my hands on any old baldoni bartoli accordions? preferably a 2 row d/c#, but im up for anything, and even so, have any stories, info on them?
# Posted on December 20th 2006 by hibbs21
baldoni bartoli
hi,
does anyone know where abouts of any old baldoni bartoli accordions, anything at all?
# Posted on December 20th 2006 by hibbs21
Re: baldoni bartoli accordions in d/c#
cleaning out my Aunt's house and we found (3) accordians.
A Hess, Pollina and a Baldoni Bartoli. Where can I find out more about these things? Age, value, etc?
I can usually find everything on the net but right now I'm striking out.
Thanks
# Posted on February 6th 2008 by kushwa