La Partida is from Venezuela but it's fast becoming part of the ITM scene. Does anyone know if it is copyrighted? It's one that my band plays and we are in the middle of recording. I couldn't find any copyright info about it and I assume that means it's not but I thought I'd consult the ol' session for help. Thanks.
Perhaps you could look there. There is also a sheet music orchestra version of it on the internet, with a composer. I just Google searched "La Partida" and it came up.
Interested that you mention it's becoming part of the ITM scene - played it last night at Rosie O'Grady's in Oxford as a solo spot in between our "proper" ITM tunes 'n' songs. Seems to go down well - always assumed it was quite an old tune.
PS if it is the FM Alvarez tune (that's certainly the one I was playing) then it will be out of copyright as copyright expires 70 years after the composer's death. Good news if you're recording it!
It sounds like a South American tune to me, and I just wonder why it would be considered to be Irish other than Kevin Burke has recorded it on a CD and its a lovely tune. Or is there some connection between Ireland and The Andes?
It's not Irish, nor does anybody consider it Irish. As I said in the first five words of my initial question, it's Venezuelan, which is in fact in South America. It IS becoming a popular session tune and other than that, has NO connection to Irish music. Good detective work though!
Sorry old scraper, that seems much more offensive than I ment it to be. I'm not really an ass hole, just a smart. I've had several beers this evening so I think I'm being much cleverer and smart ass-ier than I really am.
I really appreciate all your input and I've checked out all the links. Thanks.
Yeah well. On that first link they have a tag: "international irish" - sorry, I got carried away a bit. Kept finding more. I love a lot of that Andes music and for a while there I played it a bit, good stuff, still love it, but you also said that La Partida is fast becoming part of the ITM scene. I just wonder why it should. It isn't ITM. That's all.
I really don't know. The source I got it from said it was Venezuelan. We play it because we have several "Spanish" tunes in our repertour that people always seem to really get excited about. As far as the whole ITM scene, I have no idea why, it just seems like I'm hearing it more and more from Irish bands and at sessions.
Lots of ITM folks know it because The Kevin recorded it twice - most notably on the first Celtic Fiddle Festival album as part of the Found Harmonium medley. I still love that track and I don't care who knows it! :-p
"The Andes Cordillera is the longest continuous mountain chain on earth. It is South America's main mountain system, running parallel to the Pacific Coast for over 4,000 unbroken miles, from the Caribbean Sea to the Strait of Magellan. Its high rugged peaks are the prominent land features of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, and Argentina."
Thanks for the kudos on the "school" recording--- I actually prefer the version we put on our third CD, After the Battle. You can hear it on our CD sampler page of our website, wheatinthebarley.com. La Partida is one of the favourites in our school concerts, or any concerts for that matter - it's a real gem.
When we took it into the studio in 2004, I searched for copyright info, but as it was first put to paper in 1898 in Venezuela, and several sources I contacted said that was just a musicologist's transcription of a much older folk tune, we have credited it as "traditional" and left it at that.
I learned this version by ear from a true "Andean" musician, Adrian Villanueva of the Bolivian folk group Rumillajta, when they played at the Vancouver Folk Music Festival in the early 1990's. They credited it as "Trad." on their own cassette tape.
Ours differs a bit from the gorgeous version Mark Harmer has posted on YouTube --- his agrees more with one played by friends here in Vancouver who learned it before emigrating from Chile, and I think it's more like the printed version which I found somewhere on the web while doing my search. But then our band is known for its cheeky irreverence for traditional versions of folk tunes, as you may gather if you browse a bit.
Thanks, Marty. It's very sweet, and much more like the original melody than the version I do. I have actually recorded the tune twice, on CDs released with both of my main groups: The Wheat in the Barley, which you've heard <http://www.wheatinthebarley.com/BattleAudio7.htm>; and with The Hot Club of Mars, a Gypsy jazz group, with whom I do it as a jazz waltz: <http://www.hotclubofmars.com/indexaudio.html>;. (Just click on the button next to the tune.)
You may find it interesting to contrast the styles of the two tracks. Enjoy!
Mark
Maybe it's good to note the Belgian 'folkgroup' Rum recorded La Partida on their lp 'Gelukkig, Ma non Troppo' (Happy, ma non troppo) during the early 80s
One of their members was an guitarplayer from South America and it's likely he is responsible for the first arrival of the tune on the European 'folkscene'.
La Partida copyrights?
La Partida copyrights?
La Partida is from Venezuela but it's fast becoming part of the ITM scene. Does anyone know if it is copyrighted? It's one that my band plays and we are in the middle of recording. I couldn't find any copyright info about it and I assume that means it's not but I thought I'd consult the ol' session for help. Thanks.
# Posted on August 13th 2006 by MartySmith
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Kevin Burke recorded it in 1992:
http://www.mystrands.com/track/197954
Perhaps you could look there. There is also a sheet music orchestra version of it on the internet, with a composer. I just Google searched "La Partida" and it came up.
Good luck anyhow.
# Posted on August 13th 2006 by Clear Drops
Re: La Partida copyrights?
The composer: FM Alvarez (if it is the same tune)
http://staff.mh.luth.se/joer/pdf/scores/La%20Partida%20GO.pdf
The abc's and dots are also in the tunes section.
# Posted on August 13th 2006 by Clear Drops
Re: La Partida copyrights?
And It can be heard here being played by 'The Wheat in the Barley' at the Douglas Park Community School:
http://www.wheatinthebarley.com/LaPartidaAudio.htm
# Posted on August 13th 2006 by Clear Drops
Re: La Partida copyrights?
Interested that you mention it's becoming part of the ITM scene - played it last night at Rosie O'Grady's in Oxford as a solo spot in between our "proper" ITM tunes 'n' songs. Seems to go down well - always assumed it was quite an old tune.
# Posted on August 13th 2006 by Mark Harmer
Re: La Partida copyrights?
PS if it is the FM Alvarez tune (that's certainly the one I was playing) then it will be out of copyright as copyright expires 70 years after the composer's death. Good news if you're recording it!
# Posted on August 13th 2006 by Mark Harmer
Re: La Partida copyrights?
It sounds like a South American tune to me, and I just wonder why it would be considered to be Irish other than Kevin Burke has recorded it on a CD and its a lovely tune. Or is there some connection between Ireland and The Andes?
# Posted on August 13th 2006 by Clear Drops
Re: La Partida copyrights?
It's not Irish, nor does anybody consider it Irish. As I said in the first five words of my initial question, it's Venezuelan, which is in fact in South America. It IS becoming a popular session tune and other than that, has NO connection to Irish music. Good detective work though!
# Posted on August 14th 2006 by MartySmith
Re: La Partida copyrights?
Sorry old scraper, that seems much more offensive than I ment it to be. I'm not really an ass hole, just a smart. I've had several beers this evening so I think I'm being much cleverer and smart ass-ier than I really am.
I really appreciate all your input and I've checked out all the links. Thanks.
# Posted on August 14th 2006 by MartySmith
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Woops. Ass, I meant smart ass.
# Posted on August 14th 2006 by MartySmith
Re: La Partida copyrights?
Yeah well. On that first link they have a tag: "international irish" - sorry, I got carried away a bit. Kept finding more. I love a lot of that Andes music and for a while there I played it a bit, good stuff, still love it, but you also said that La Partida is fast becoming part of the ITM scene. I just wonder why it should. It isn't ITM. That's all.
# Posted on August 14th 2006 by Clear Drops
Re: La Partida copyrights?
The Andes aren't in Venezuela, or vice versa.
# Posted on August 14th 2006 by Tintin
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I really don't know. The source I got it from said it was Venezuelan. We play it because we have several "Spanish" tunes in our repertour that people always seem to really get excited about. As far as the whole ITM scene, I have no idea why, it just seems like I'm hearing it more and more from Irish bands and at sessions.
# Posted on August 14th 2006 by MartySmith
Re: La Partida copyrights?
There is a spur of the Andes goes into Venezuela.
# Posted on August 14th 2006 by Clear Drops
Re: La Partida copyrights?
Lots of ITM folks know it because The Kevin recorded it twice - most notably on the first Celtic Fiddle Festival album as part of the Found Harmonium medley. I still love that track and I don't care who knows it! :-p
# Posted on August 15th 2006 by Bob himself
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I meant
# Posted on August 15th 2006 by Bob himself
Re: La Partida copyrights?
"The Andes Cordillera is the longest continuous mountain chain on earth. It is South America's main mountain system, running parallel to the Pacific Coast for over 4,000 unbroken miles, from the Caribbean Sea to the Strait of Magellan. Its high rugged peaks are the prominent land features of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, and Argentina."
# Posted on August 15th 2006 by Clear Drops
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Isn't it funny where these discussions always wander off to? That's part of the fun of it all (I guess).
# Posted on August 22nd 2006 by MartySmith
Re: La Partida copyrights?
Hey all, not sure where Venezuela is, but I got my finger out and recorded it on YouTube on my Paraguayan harp. Hope you enjoy!
Mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-KZpSZVSJ4
# Posted on August 23rd 2006 by Mark Harmer
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PS I like the school one - very funky!
# Posted on August 23rd 2006 by Mark Harmer
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Thank you Mark, I for one did enjoy.
# Posted on August 29th 2006 by Clear Drops
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Ah yes. Good ol' fingers. And goold ol' YouTube too.
That's a great arrangement! But what school one? Funky? Wha...
# Posted on August 30th 2006 by MartySmith
Re: La Partida copyrights?
Thanks for the kudos on the "school" recording--- I actually prefer the version we put on our third CD, After the Battle. You can hear it on our CD sampler page of our website, wheatinthebarley.com. La Partida is one of the favourites in our school concerts, or any concerts for that matter - it's a real gem.
When we took it into the studio in 2004, I searched for copyright info, but as it was first put to paper in 1898 in Venezuela, and several sources I contacted said that was just a musicologist's transcription of a much older folk tune, we have credited it as "traditional" and left it at that.
I learned this version by ear from a true "Andean" musician, Adrian Villanueva of the Bolivian folk group Rumillajta, when they played at the Vancouver Folk Music Festival in the early 1990's. They credited it as "Trad." on their own cassette tape.
Ours differs a bit from the gorgeous version Mark Harmer has posted on YouTube --- his agrees more with one played by friends here in Vancouver who learned it before emigrating from Chile, and I think it's more like the printed version which I found somewhere on the web while doing my search. But then our band is known for its cheeky irreverence for traditional versions of folk tunes, as you may gather if you browse a bit.
Hope you enjoy it.
Mark Dowding
# Posted on December 22nd 2006 by windgod
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Mark, I just listened to yours again and I needed to say that it is great again.
# Posted on January 19th 2007 by MartySmith
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Here's my version of this tune, though not quite as beautiful as Mark's.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=75966748
# Posted on January 31st 2007 by MartySmith
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Thanks, Marty. It's very sweet, and much more like the original melody than the version I do. I have actually recorded the tune twice, on CDs released with both of my main groups: The Wheat in the Barley, which you've heard <http://www.wheatinthebarley.com/BattleAudio7.htm>; and with The Hot Club of Mars, a Gypsy jazz group, with whom I do it as a jazz waltz: <http://www.hotclubofmars.com/indexaudio.html>;. (Just click on the button next to the tune.)
You may find it interesting to contrast the styles of the two tracks. Enjoy!
Mark
# Posted on February 6th 2007 by windgod
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Sorry, all --- I should have left out the stupid angle brackets. As I don't seem to be able to edit them now, here they are in clickable format:
http://www.wheatinthebarley.com/BattleAudio7.htm
http://www.hotclubofmars.com/indexaudio.html
Hope this helps...
# Posted on February 6th 2007 by windgod
Re: La Partida copyrights?
Maybe it's good to note the Belgian 'folkgroup' Rum recorded La Partida on their lp 'Gelukkig, Ma non Troppo' (Happy, ma non troppo) during the early 80s
One of their members was an guitarplayer from South America and it's likely he is responsible for the first arrival of the tune on the European 'folkscene'.
# Posted on February 6th 2007 by kilfarboy