Didn't realize Joe and Anto McKenna were old enough for 78s, LOL! If so,they have a picture in the attic!
Anyway.... are these all allegedly public domain because I am sure some are not, hopefully they have the proper releases in place, it's a nice site and wouldn't want to see any trouble for them. Suppsosedly they don't become PD until 50 years after the person's death. Also the artist may not necessarily hold the copyright, the record label may and does in many cases.
I don't know if these releases are in the public domain or whether there is copyright issues. I do sincerely hope that no-one has been exploited in generating this site.
But what I can tell you, Iris, is that in this age of super-trad. bands, this is actually the FIRST time that I have heard a lot of these artists play...and it's quite something! Believe me I thought the only place I could find this music is in the Irish Music Archives in Merrion Sq or in RTE (Music Archives).
Oh, I am by no means knocking the site, this is a wonderful and major undertaking, I am just worried about whoever juneberry is. I happen to know first hand that certain record companies would be very upset and would likely take some action. Since they don't seem to be selling the tracks, it's highly unlikey anything but a cease and desist would happen. Maybe they got the green light though.
Cos....Some of the 1970s recordings were remastered from 78's like the Wheels Of The World compilaton. McGann and Reynolds, could conceivably made 78s in their youth but this is something else. The McKenna's certainly not! Maybe they got the go ahead though, i sure hope so, it's a great site for sure.
This reminds me, here are some recording made more than 100 years ago. These are old wax cylinder recordings that have been converted to MP3 by the University of California.
You will have to do a search to find the few Irish tunes.
Hey Shrog, I listened to the site "cylinders.library":
I was fascinated to hear how similar "in a certain way " the jig below sounds to the one we normally play in sessions, and it was made in 1903 and how extremely fast the piper was playing...It does not sound the way pipers play now but I can't put my finger on what it is.
Great link fd; thanks! A quick, cursory, listen turns up gems like Andy McGann's recording of Kid on the Mountain with a 6th part that I've never heard before...
Oh, no, Iris, Juneberry isn't my site, that's for sure! I wish I had the time and money to collect and clean up all those records but that's a rainy day fantasy for another lifetime...
I just posted the other thread because it seemed that no one posting here had ever seen these links posted in other threads. There have been a few.
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/9509 was about my own website, I wrote out the text and gave a couple CDs of MP3s to the "webmaster" or whatever you call him, he's cranking it out in his spare time. I don't have any info other than that at the moment. This will be strictly 78's, if I'm approached by any next-of-kin I'll give them their props but I only know of a couple of artist's relations to contact.
Juneberry offers stuff from Shanachie LPs, which ain't kosher. I don't think. I doubt. Rich Nevins of Shanachie's a big time record collector so maybe he OK'ed it with the Juneberry fellow. Also a couple of things from Gael-Linn's (or CCE?) mid-70s LP of Johnnie Doherty.
Another very unusual offering on that site is a couple of tracks of Michael Coleman recorded in 1944, his last session. I mentioned this to Phillipe Varlet who tracked down these recordings. The Coleman sides are on a "New Offerings" page I think.
About the James McAulife clip, definantly Uilleann Pipes, but since this was way back when they would have a different tone to the modern day sets which were refined in the early 20th cent/late 19 cent by the Taylor borthers.
Sounds awful on the computer and I don't seem to be able to put them onto a CD. Is this how it's meant to be? or should I keep headbutting the machine.
There should be an EQ on your PC's media player. Use that if you just want to listen, or otherwise go the extra yard and get some software to clean up the files for new masters. Capture the files with a right click to save them as MP3's, and you can make a disc from there. If you readjust the levels with the software then they will usually sound better for your CD to be played on larger paper speakers. Smaller PC speakers distort early as the volume increases and that makes these (mostly) distorted recordings sound even worse. Also, try listening with headphones or earbuds. The whole recording opens up and you can suddenly hear breathing between the flute or whistle's phrases, pipers shuffling around, the button box player working the air valve, people in the baclground, etc... so really, it's that simple. Try adjusting the levels and plugging your earbuds.
I'm not sure of the legality of the recordings, either, but my girlfriend is the program assistant for the university's department of commercial music, so I'll ask her if she knows anything tomorrow afternoon when we meet.
Kevin, I'm excited about your website, these recordings have a lot to offer. How are you searching for the music and would you need any help?
And The Liverpool Ceili Band for reminding us of that 50's/60's Vox-Box/ xylophone sound. I think it was a precursor to the wee machine you played with a pencil-like gadget when we were kids.....anyone remember the correct name ? Awful sound though I suppose it was viewed as innovative back then.....didn't last the pace though Thank God.
Re the accurate as ever comment made by unseen Avery, :
'About the James McAulife clip, definantly Uilleann Pipes, but since this was way back when they would have a different tone to the modern day sets which were refined in the early 20th cent/late 19 cent by the Taylor borthers.'
McAuliffe was in fact playing a set of pipes by the Taylor brothers.
Jumping in … EQ stands for “equalization” or “equalizer.” The simplest way to think of it is as an advanced tone-control knob. The most common kind of EQ divides the sound spectrum into bands (typically, anywhere from four to thirty or more) and lets you cut or boost individual bands to fine tune the sound. There’s a good bit more to it than just what we hear as “tone,” but that’s a whole ‘nuther lecture.
Bob pretty much summed it up, and in far less obfuscated terms than I would have explained it, at that. If you're just listening on the computer then the 'player' program you use to listen should have an equalizer on it -- hunt around the options menus to display it. I can't think of a player that doesn't have one.
I have (ahem, cough, excuse me) been bootlegging concerts and things since I first started going to them when I was 13... the digital age has made it a heck of a lot easier to clean up those recordings than the old days of high bias analogs and ten pound equalizers! And I can testify that a good digital EQ can work wonders on just about any recording, plus unlike the analogs you don't lose anything when transfering gen to gen.... I've never sold a bootleg, by the way, I just keep them for personal use. So having said all this, I'm sure some righteous upstanding homebody is going to want to call the cops. Epp.. nevermind, there they are.
I still haven't asked Sacha about the legality. I kick myself each time I get home and remember, by then she's already down the street. But I'll get to it tomorrow!
I think the Juneberry guy's name is Tom Morrison, which oddly enough was also the name of a Galway flautist/piper who made a good few recordings in the 20s. My site'll have his complete output, too.
I've grabbed everything I can off the Juneberry site - they have something like 2500 sample MP3s on there. With a program like Free Download Manager you can have your computer snag all this stuff for you, I've downloaded gigs of music this way.
The old 78's sounds
The old 78's sounds
What do you think of this site?
http://www.juneberry78s.com/sounds/ListenToIrishDance.htm
It is a helluva "eye opener" as to how the "greats" would play...
Enjoy! Don't forget to let me know what you think please.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by flauta dolce
Re: The old 78's sounds
A great find! Hours of happy listening here. There's nothing better than listening to the old masters...
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by tommy fegan
Re: The old 78's sounds
Didn't realize Joe and Anto McKenna were old enough for 78s, LOL! If so,they have a picture in the attic!
Anyway.... are these all allegedly public domain because I am sure some are not, hopefully they have the proper releases in place, it's a nice site and wouldn't want to see any trouble for them. Suppsosedly they don't become PD until 50 years after the person's death. Also the artist may not necessarily hold the copyright, the record label may and does in many cases.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by irisnevins
Re: The old 78's sounds
I don't know if these releases are in the public domain or whether there is copyright issues. I do sincerely hope that no-one has been exploited in generating this site.
But what I can tell you, Iris, is that in this age of super-trad. bands, this is actually the FIRST time that I have heard a lot of these artists play...and it's quite something! Believe me I thought the only place I could find this music is in the Irish Music Archives in Merrion Sq or in RTE (Music Archives).
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by flauta dolce
Re: The old 78's sounds
Strange to find a number of Shanachie 1970`s recordings here!
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by cos
Re: The old 78's sounds
Oh, I am by no means knocking the site, this is a wonderful and major undertaking, I am just worried about whoever juneberry is. I happen to know first hand that certain record companies would be very upset and would likely take some action. Since they don't seem to be selling the tracks, it's highly unlikey anything but a cease and desist would happen. Maybe they got the green light though.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by irisnevins
Re: The old 78's sounds
Cos....Some of the 1970s recordings were remastered from 78's like the Wheels Of The World compilaton. McGann and Reynolds, could conceivably made 78s in their youth but this is something else. The McKenna's certainly not! Maybe they got the go ahead though, i sure hope so, it's a great site for sure.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by irisnevins
Re: The old 78's sounds
This reminds me, here are some recording made more than 100 years ago. These are old wax cylinder recordings that have been converted to MP3 by the University of California.
You will have to do a search to find the few Irish tunes.
http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by Shrog
Re: The old 78's sounds
Hey Shrog, I listened to the site "cylinders.library":
I was fascinated to hear how similar "in a certain way " the jig below sounds to the one we normally play in sessions, and it was made in 1903 and how extremely fast the piper was playing...It does not sound the way pipers play now but I can't put my finger on what it is.
Title:
Donnybrook fair
Performer:
James C. McAuliffe.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by flauta dolce
Re: The old 78's sounds
Might be different pipes from what's played today.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by Bob himself
Re: The old 78's sounds
Great link fd; thanks! A quick, cursory, listen turns up gems like Andy McGann's recording of Kid on the Mountain with a 6th part that I've never heard before...
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by Keith Dubinsky
Re: The old 78's sounds
Andy used to play it six parts live as well... so do a few other fiddlers who knew him.
This site must have taken forever..! Dedication!!
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by irisnevins
Re: The old 78's sounds
I guess no one here took notice of the post a while back?
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/9509
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by gravelwalks
Re: The old 78's sounds
Oh is that your site? I was worried that some artists/companies might complain. My mouth's shut, but word may get around. It's a great site.
I remember that post for sure, hadn't been back since though and thought this may be another. It looked familiar, but then my brain is a sieve!
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by irisnevins
Re: The old 78's sounds
Oh, no, Iris, Juneberry isn't my site, that's for sure! I wish I had the time and money to collect and clean up all those records but that's a rainy day fantasy for another lifetime...
I just posted the other thread because it seemed that no one posting here had ever seen these links posted in other threads. There have been a few.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by gravelwalks
Re: The old 78's sounds
Am I the only one who wishes the piano players of these recordings would just go away? Gah almost as bad as an unimaginative spoon tapper
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by Tirno
Re: The old 78's sounds
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/9509 was about my own website, I wrote out the text and gave a couple CDs of MP3s to the "webmaster" or whatever you call him, he's cranking it out in his spare time. I don't have any info other than that at the moment. This will be strictly 78's, if I'm approached by any next-of-kin I'll give them their props but I only know of a couple of artist's relations to contact.
Juneberry offers stuff from Shanachie LPs, which ain't kosher. I don't think. I doubt. Rich Nevins of Shanachie's a big time record collector so maybe he OK'ed it with the Juneberry fellow. Also a couple of things from Gael-Linn's (or CCE?) mid-70s LP of Johnnie Doherty.
Another very unusual offering on that site is a couple of tracks of Michael Coleman recorded in 1944, his last session. I mentioned this to Phillipe Varlet who tracked down these recordings. The Coleman sides are on a "New Offerings" page I think.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by Kevin Rietmann
Re: The old 78's sounds
Nice page.
About the James McAulife clip, definantly Uilleann Pipes, but since this was way back when they would have a different tone to the modern day sets which were refined in the early 20th cent/late 19 cent by the Taylor borthers.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by Unseen122
Re: The old 78's sounds
Who is the Juneberry Owner, Kevin? Just curious.
# Posted on May 25th 2006 by irisnevins
Re: The old 78's sounds
Sounds awful on the computer and I don't seem to be able to put them onto a CD. Is this how it's meant to be? or should I keep headbutting the machine.
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by mcknowall
Re: The old 78's sounds
To improve the sound quality:
There should be an EQ on your PC's media player. Use that if you just want to listen, or otherwise go the extra yard and get some software to clean up the files for new masters. Capture the files with a right click to save them as MP3's, and you can make a disc from there. If you readjust the levels with the software then they will usually sound better for your CD to be played on larger paper speakers. Smaller PC speakers distort early as the volume increases and that makes these (mostly) distorted recordings sound even worse. Also, try listening with headphones or earbuds. The whole recording opens up and you can suddenly hear breathing between the flute or whistle's phrases, pipers shuffling around, the button box player working the air valve, people in the baclground, etc... so really, it's that simple. Try adjusting the levels and plugging your earbuds.
I'm not sure of the legality of the recordings, either, but my girlfriend is the program assistant for the university's department of commercial music, so I'll ask her if she knows anything tomorrow afternoon when we meet.
Kevin, I'm excited about your website, these recordings have a lot to offer. How are you searching for the music and would you need any help?
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by gravelwalks
Re: The old 78's sounds
Great site FD. I loved Coleman''s rendition of Dr.Gilbert's and The Queen of May.....mighty tunes that I'd forgotten to play. Cheers !
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: The old 78's sounds
And The Flanagans version of "Paddy In London" proving the old adage it's ok to play a great tune a dozen times
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: The old 78's sounds
And The Liverpool Ceili Band for reminding us of that 50's/60's Vox-Box/ xylophone sound. I think it was a precursor to the wee machine you played with a pencil-like gadget when we were kids.....anyone remember the correct name ? Awful sound though
I suppose it was viewed as innovative back then.....didn't last the pace though Thank God.
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: The old 78's sounds
Stylophone - never was accepted by Comhaltas
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by Kenny
Re: The old 78's sounds
Kenny, that's the very machine....you've abetter memory than me
You guys have the Glasgow Fleadh yet ?
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: The old 78's sounds
Re the accurate as ever comment made by unseen Avery, :
'About the James McAulife clip, definantly Uilleann Pipes, but since this was way back when they would have a different tone to the modern day sets which were refined in the early 20th cent/late 19 cent by the Taylor borthers.'
McAuliffe was in fact playing a set of pipes by the Taylor brothers.
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by kilfarboy
Re: The old 78's sounds
Hi Gravelwalk, What is an EQ?
Let us know what your girlfriend says about the site by Juneberry.
I am also really interested in the comments about the artists themselves and how well they are playing.
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by flauta dolce
Re: The old 78's sounds
Jumping in … EQ stands for “equalization” or “equalizer.” The simplest way to think of it is as an advanced tone-control knob. The most common kind of EQ divides the sound spectrum into bands (typically, anywhere from four to thirty or more) and lets you cut or boost individual bands to fine tune the sound. There’s a good bit more to it than just what we hear as “tone,” but that’s a whole ‘nuther lecture.
# Posted on May 26th 2006 by Bob himself
Re: The old 78's sounds
flauta -
Bob pretty much summed it up, and in far less obfuscated terms than I would have explained it, at that. If you're just listening on the computer then the 'player' program you use to listen should have an equalizer on it -- hunt around the options menus to display it. I can't think of a player that doesn't have one.
I have (ahem, cough, excuse me) been bootlegging concerts and things since I first started going to them when I was 13... the digital age has made it a heck of a lot easier to clean up those recordings than the old days of high bias analogs and ten pound equalizers! And I can testify that a good digital EQ can work wonders on just about any recording, plus unlike the analogs you don't lose anything when transfering gen to gen.... I've never sold a bootleg, by the way, I just keep them for personal use. So having said all this, I'm sure some righteous upstanding homebody is going to want to call the cops. Epp.. nevermind, there they are.
I still haven't asked Sacha about the legality. I kick myself each time I get home and remember, by then she's already down the street. But I'll get to it tomorrow!
# Posted on May 27th 2006 by gravelwalks
Re: The old 78's sounds
I think the Juneberry guy's name is Tom Morrison, which oddly enough was also the name of a Galway flautist/piper who made a good few recordings in the 20s. My site'll have his complete output, too.
I've grabbed everything I can off the Juneberry site - they have something like 2500 sample MP3s on there. With a program like Free Download Manager you can have your computer snag all this stuff for you, I've downloaded gigs of music this way.
# Posted on May 27th 2006 by Kevin Rietmann