I was reading a thread earlier today about personality types and musicians . . and that got me thinking about astrological signs . . it would be interesting would it not (if its not been done before), to do a Session survey as to which sign "we musicians " were born under. For the record I'm Taurus .
I'll bet anyone a pint that taureans come out on top !
I used to be Scopio, but now I'm Libra, apparently – the cut-off date changed at some point. I don't know why anyone should think Taureans will come out on top. Sounds like a load of bull to me.
By the way, stewpot, I forgot to add that I'll take you up on the pint bet. Looks like I've got 11 chances to your one. Reading your profile, I see you live not so far away from me, so I should be able to collect OK! I also see that there are some similarities in our backgrounds...
And Pediho, the cut-off date for star signs changes slightly for certain years only (like leap years). They didn´t change it for ever at some point. So you´re probably still a scorpio... not that it really matters...
I'm Aries, indeed people looking at me might say I'm an "airy 'un". Boom, boom! And I play mainly fretted strings, but also english concertina and bodrhan.
My SO is a Tauras, and mainly plays flute and whistle, but also odd percussion and mountain dulcimer.
My band has two other arians in it, fiddler and guitarist, and the flautist is Pisces.
Has anybody got the statistics worked out on the current entries yet ? I reckon it predominates in the early months of the year, but why ? Anyway, if you don't do a full chart you've not got much actual info on each one. Nyaah !
There's MUCH more to astrology than the "Sun Sign" though. You have to take into account the positions of all planets and the relationships between them to do a full reading. What this translates into is that astrology contains an infinite amount of fudge-factors and it can be used to account for *anything* - after the fact of course.
gemini here! taurus are supposed to be the most musical and interestingly most of the people in my year at the conservatory are taurus! but we gemini give them a run for their money!
Scoring half each where people, like me, are on the cusp and are sometimes one sign and then another, the scores so far for actual respondents (not for all the people in their band or conservatory) are:
Gemini 4.5
Pisces 3 (including Al Brown)
Leo 3
Taurus 2.5
Aquarius 2
Libra 1,5
Cancer 1.5
Aries 1.5
Capricorn 1
Scorpio 0.5
"Pisces here. Virgo Rising, Moon in Pisces"
I once stuck my Aries out a bus window & took a Pisces, but resisted the temptation to go for a Crapricorn!
Does that count for anything?
This is the excellent foppery of the world, that when we are sick in fortune, often the surfeits of our own behavior, we make guilty of our disasters the sun, the moon, and stars; as if we were villains on necessity; fools by heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves, and treachers by spherical predominance; drunkards, liars, and adulterers by an enforced obedience of planetary influence; and all that we are evil in, by a divine thrusting on.
"Talented, witty, turn your hand to anything, that's me, the true Gemini."
Bodhran Bliss, you ever play banjo ? You sound like an old friend of mine. Just dawned on me, can't be you. Your from A'town, he was from the Lower Falls. You might know him though, initials JF. He's probably late 40ish. now.
Stewpot - you won't get an accurate result because, for one, Capricorns like myself don't believe in such frivolities as astrology, and will skip over a thread like this one. Scorpios, on the other hand, are all clairvoyants, so there is nothing to be gained by their reading a thread on astrology started by a Taurean.
Just so the math can come out right, I am not on the cusp (nor the lisp, for that matter [tis oft a slip betwixt the cusp and the lisp???].
I was adopten and when I had to register for the draft with the Selective Service System, I found I had two birth certificates, both legit, both equally vague in origins, so I chose the latter one, just to see if the next 18 years would be that different from the first 18.
Also for the count, my lovely wife, bodhranist Min Gates, is a (real, no-foolin') Aries.
Our fiddler, TJ Hull, was born in October. I don't speak enough astrology to say what sign that is, sorry.
Greenwiggle, I was under the impresson that people born close after the dead line are on the cusps. So be definition I am an Aquarius born on the cusp of Capricorn.
To be serious for a moment.The following is from skepdic.com
The most popular form of traditional Western astrology is sun sign astrology, the kind found in the horoscopes of many daily newspapers. A horoscope is an astrological forecast. The term is also used to describe a map of the zodiac at the time of one’s birth. The zodiac is divided into twelve zones of the sky, each named after the constellation that originally fell within its zone (Taurus, Leo, etc.). The apparent paths of the sun, the moon, and the major planets all fall within the zodiac. Because of the precession of the equinoxes, the equinox and solstice points have each moved westward about 30 degrees in the last 2,000 years. Thus, the zodiacal constellations named in ancient times no longer correspond to the segments of the zodiac represented by their signs. In short, had you been born at the same time on the same day of the year 2,000 years ago, you would have been born under a different sign.
In fact, there should be 13 signs, not 12.
Precession of the equinox is caused by the fact that the axis of the earth's rotation (which causes day and night) and the axis of the earth's revolution around the sun (which marks the passage of each year) are not parallel. They are 23 l/2 degrees away from lining up; that is, the earth's axis of rotation is tilted. This tilt also causes our seasons, a fact that Ptolemy did understand but that many people do not understand even today. Ptolemy understood that the rotation axis of the earth was slowly precessing, or moving in a circle, with an angular radius of 23 1/2 degrees with a period of around 26,000 years. He deduced this from comparisons of data taken by the ancient Sumerians 2,000 years before his time. He did not understand what was pushing the precession, but he did understand the motion. We now realize that the sun is rotating with a period of around 30 days and that this causes the sun to bulge at the equator, which causes a torque to be exerted on the top like motion of the earth's day and night cycle. There is also a small 18.6-year variation caused by the moon's orbit around the earth, and the moon also has a small effect on precession; however, the sun's equatorial bulge is the main cause of the precession of the equinox, which is why your sign listed in the newspaper, by Sidney Omar for instance, in most cases is removed by one sign from the modern, actual position of the sun at your birth.
The modern signs as listed here are further complicated when their boundaries are those of the current constellations. A neater way of dividing the signs would be to divide the ecliptic into 30-degree slices, as Ptolemy did, but to keep the slices centered on the star patterns. This would make the time interval for the signs more nearly 30 days each and eliminate the [13th] sign of Ophiuchus, but your modern sign would still differ by one sign from the tradition designations.*
Traditional Western astrology may be divided into tropical and sidereal. (Astrologers in non-Western traditions use different systems.) The tropical, or solar, year is measured relative to the sun and is the time between successive vernal equinoxes (365 days, 5 hr, 48 min, 46 sec of mean solar time). The sidereal year is the time required for the earth to complete an orbit of the sun relative to the stars (365 days, 6 hr, 9 min, 9.5 sec of mean solar time). The sidereal year is longer than the tropical year because of the precession of the equinoxes, i.e., the slow westward shift of the equinoctial points along the plane of the ecliptic at a rate of 50.27 seconds of arc per year, resulting from precession of the earth’s axis of rotation.
Astrologers emphasize the importance of the positions of the sun, moon, planets, etc., at the time of birth. However, the birthing process isn’t instantaneous. There is no single moment that a person is born. The fact that some official somewhere writes down a time of birth is irrelevant. Do they pick the moment the water breaks? The moment the first dilation occurs? When the first hair or toenail peeks through? When the last toenail or hair passes the last millimeter of the vagina? When the umbilical cord is cut? When the first breath is taken? Or does birth occur at the moment a physician or nurse looks at a clock to note the time of birth?
Why are the initial conditions more important than all subsequent conditions for one’s personality and traits? Why is the moment of birth chosen as the significant moment rather than the moment of conception? Why aren’t other initial conditions such as one’s mother’s health, the delivery place conditions, forceps, bright lights, dim room, back seat of a car, etc., more important than whether Mars is ascending, descending, culminating, or fulminating? Why isn’t the planet Earth—the closest large object to us in our solar system--considered a major influence on who we are and what we become? Other than the sun and the moon and an occasional passing comet or asteroid, most planetary objects are so distant from us that any influences they might have on anything on our planet are likely to be wiped out by the influences of other things here on earth.
No one would claim that in order to grasp the effect of the moon on the tides or potatoes one must understand initial conditions of the Singularity before the Big Bang, or the positions of the stars and planets at the time the potato was harvested. If you want to know what tomorrow’s low tide will be you do not need to know where the moon was when the first ocean or river was formed, or whether the ocean came first and then the moon, or vice-versa. Initial conditions are less important than present conditions to understanding current effects on rivers and vegetables. If this is true for the tides and plants, why wouldn’t it be true for people?
Finally, there are those who defend astrology by pointing out how accurate professional horoscopes are. Astrology “works,” it is said, but what does that mean? Basically, to say astrology works means that there are a lot of satisfied customers and one can shoehorn any event to fit a chart. It does not mean that astrology is accurate in predicting human behavior or events to a degree significantly greater than mere chance. There are many satisfied customers who believe that their horoscope accurately describes them and that their astrologer has given them good advice. Such evidence does not prove astrology so much as it demonstrates the Forer effect, and confirmation bias. Good astrologers give good advice, but that does not validate astrology. There have been several studies that have shown that people will use selective thinking to make any chart they are given fit their preconceived notions about themselves and their charts. Many of the claims made about signs and personalities are vague and would fit many people under many different signs. Even professional astrologers, most of whom have nothing but disdain for sun sign astrology, can’t pick out a correct horoscope reading at better than a chance rate. Yet, astrology continues to maintain its popularity, despite the fact that there is scarcely a shred of scientific evidence in its favor. Even the former First Lady of the United States, Nancy Reagan, and her husband, Ronald, consulted an astrologer while he was the leader of the free world, demonstrating once again that astrologers have more influence than the stars do.
I think that the last passage about astrolgers pandering to their gullible clients is appropriate.Has any astrologer ever produced a chart for someone saying "You are a waste of space and the world would be a better place wihout you?"
No I'm not a virgo (could make facetious remark here about not having been one since 1978).
Try again - there's now a 1 in 11 chance of getting it right.
I'm sensing a Henry - is there anyone on the yellow board with the name Henry? - or maybe a friend or relative called Henry?. Or it could be a cat called Henry. Or possibly Jim?
Why not follow up an earlier thread on all this and see which MONTH/part of the year most of us are born in?? Maybe more musos are from the Winter/early Spring months??
Musician Star Signs.
Musician Star Signs.
I was reading a thread earlier today about personality types and musicians . . and that got me thinking about astrological signs . . it would be interesting would it not (if its not been done before), to do a Session survey as to which sign "we musicians " were born under. For the record I'm Taurus .
I'll bet anyone a pint that taureans come out on top !
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Justintime
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I really don't see any point in these signs connection to anything that is really cignificant... but you asked: PIsces.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Trip-
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Mmmmm, ok, I'm a gemini.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I used to be Scopio, but now I'm Libra, apparently – the cut-off date changed at some point. I don't know why anyone should think Taureans will come out on top. Sounds like a load of bull to me.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Lissagriffin
Re: Musician Star Signs.
For the record, I'm Capricorn
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by madame bonaparte
Re: Musician Star Signs.
By the way, stewpot, I forgot to add that I'll take you up on the pint bet. Looks like I've got 11 chances to your one. Reading your profile, I see you live not so far away from me, so I should be able to collect OK! I also see that there are some similarities in our backgrounds...
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Lissagriffin
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Pediho, that bull melarkey, I'll say no more. Almost as bad as one I heard yesterday. What'd you call a cow with no legs ?
Ground Beef
I know, I know....terrible, I'll get my coat on the way out
Aquarian here .
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I think Air signs will win, so that covers...Aquarians, Geminis and Libras, but Pisces are supposedly musical minded...interesting one...lol
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Dave_
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Aqua
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Dave_
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I'm a Leo, apparently. But more importantly my birthday is the 28th of July. I hope you're all putting that in your diaries.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I was born under a sign that said "Maternity Ward."
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by AlBrown
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Oh, and coincidentally, that birth took place 51 years ago on the 7th of March.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by AlBrown
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Gemini.
And Pediho, the cut-off date for star signs changes slightly for certain years only (like leap years). They didn´t change it for ever at some point. So you´re probably still a scorpio... not that it really matters...
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Shadia
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Duly noted.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AL!!!!!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Happy Birthday!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Shadia
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Cancerian
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by jfiddlerh
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Lá breithe Shona Duit a Al !!!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I like getting these astrological types to guess what star sign I am.
On average over the years, 1 in 12 has got it right.
So hey - either it's a lot of rot, or maybe one of the 12 signs produces people who can correctly deduce another's sign.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by showaddydadito
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I used to be an Aries, now I'm a Taurus.
But when asked directly, I say my sign is "Yield."
stv
http://cdbaby.com/Culchies
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by stv culchie
Re: Musician Star Signs.
So far so good. I'm beginning to look forward to that pint.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Lissagriffin
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I'm Aries, indeed people looking at me might say I'm an "airy 'un". Boom, boom! And I play mainly fretted strings, but also english concertina and bodrhan.
My SO is a Tauras, and mainly plays flute and whistle, but also odd percussion and mountain dulcimer.
My band has two other arians in it, fiddler and guitarist, and the flautist is Pisces.
Has anybody got the statistics worked out on the current entries yet ? I reckon it predominates in the early months of the year, but why ? Anyway, if you don't do a full chart you've not got much actual info on each one. Nyaah !
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Pisces here. Virgo Rising, Moon in Pisces (IIRC).
There's MUCH more to astrology than the "Sun Sign" though. You have to take into account the positions of all planets and the relationships between them to do a full reading. What this translates into is that astrology contains an infinite amount of fudge-factors and it can be used to account for *anything* - after the fact of course.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by wormdiet
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I'm a Taurus (one of the car signs, along with Scorpio and Aries. Born under the star Vega). Happy Birthday, Al!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by fidkid
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Leo.
Chinese Year of the Horse (on the Way).
Favourite sign, Slippery when Wet.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Martin Milner
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Favorite Sign:
Boyscouts: 50% Off
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by wormdiet
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I'm a Libran.
And Conan - Cory's b-day is the 29th of July -neither of you two have an excuse to forget each others b-day now!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by bb
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I’m Gemini. No, Cancer! It keeps changing. June 21 – summer solstice.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Bob himself
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Tell you what pediho, if you want to learn the mandolin ,I'll give you a few lessons , but it'll cost you more than a pint !
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Justintime
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Also, I've counted more taureans up to now than any other, so it looks like I'll charge you double.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Justintime
Re: Musician Star Signs.
gemini here! taurus are supposed to be the most musical and interestingly most of the people in my year at the conservatory are taurus! but we gemini give them a run for their money!
mt
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by martin t
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Faeces
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by LastToFinish
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Taurus-faeces, in fact.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Scoring half each where people, like me, are on the cusp and are sometimes one sign and then another, the scores so far for actual respondents (not for all the people in their band or conservatory) are:
Gemini 4.5
Pisces 3 (including Al Brown)
Leo 3
Taurus 2.5
Aquarius 2
Libra 1,5
Cancer 1.5
Aries 1.5
Capricorn 1
Scorpio 0.5
But no Virgos or Sagittarians yet.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Lissagriffin
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Life starts at conception.I was concieved under the sign "Keep Off The Grass"
Astrology,what a load of crap.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by dafydd
Re: Musician Star Signs.
LOL @ dafydd "ye of little faith"
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Just wait - someone will come along soon and say:
"You say 'Astrology,what a load of crap.' - oh that's so like a sagittarius"
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by showaddydadito
Re: Musician Star Signs.
"Pisces here. Virgo Rising, Moon in Pisces"
I once stuck my Aries out a bus window & took a Pisces, but resisted the temptation to go for a Crapricorn!
Does that count for anything?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Interesting thing to note: I work in a music resource org, and three of the six of us are pisces, including me. Coincidence?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by tumeltyni
Re: Musician Star Signs.
"Interesting thing to note: I work in a music resource org, and three of the six of us are pisces, including me. Coincidence? "
Nah, but nepotism springs to mind
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
"I was born under a sign that said "Maternity Ward." "
I was born under a wandering star.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Hey I'm a virgo -and one of my music partners was born on the same day -so that's two for the virgos!!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by fiddlefamily
Re: Musician Star Signs.
as for the sagittarians - I am one!!
and I know an excellent musician who is Virgo
p.s.: Al - habby birthyday!!!!
again another year wiser, right?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by mairie
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Talented, witty, turn your hand to anything, that's me, the true Gemini.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by bodhran bliss
Re: Musician Star Signs.
i can't believe that someone hailing from a sensible place like barnsley is taken up with this star sign tosh!
really!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by biggus dave
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I'm a Lumbago
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Cammy
Re: Musician Star Signs.
This is the excellent foppery of the world, that when we are sick in fortune, often the surfeits of our own behavior, we make guilty of our disasters the sun, the moon, and stars; as if we were villains on necessity; fools by heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves, and treachers by spherical predominance; drunkards, liars, and adulterers by an enforced obedience of planetary influence; and all that we are evil in, by a divine thrusting on.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Jeremy
Re: Musician Star Signs.
"Talented, witty, turn your hand to anything, that's me, the true Gemini."
Bodhran Bliss, you ever play banjo ? You sound like an old friend of mine. Just dawned on me, can't be you. Your from A'town, he was from the Lower Falls. You might know him though, initials JF. He's probably late 40ish. now.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Um... I think I'm Aries..
Or Pisces...
Feb. 28th 1992...What is that?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Red Crow
Re: Musician Star Signs.
My bet (see above, somewhere near the top of this thread) was based on the premise that astrology is all bullsh*t. Can I be declared the winner yet?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Lissagriffin
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Red Crow,
With that birthday, you would be.....young.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by AlBrown
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Red Crow,
Al is right. I remember when I ws the only one here under 20, things have changed. BTW, you would be a Pieces.
I myself am an Aquarius. Jan. 22 1989.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Why Bother?
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I'll raise the flag for another summer solstice - June 21.
Sign depends on which tabloid you're eading, either Gemini or Cancer.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Wurzel
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Too many young'uns on here. I'm offski! Only kidding Red Crow & Unseen but do us older guys a favour/favor.......don't remind us
My hip aches ! 
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Pisces,and can vouch for three of my main Irish music pals being the same.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by kris
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Cool idea Strathfoyle - The Young Session Guns:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00008IHAW/ref=dp_image_0/103-3329880-2226257?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd
I suppose, with a name like Red Crow, he must be third from the left, but which one is Unseen?
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: Musician Star Signs.
"slippery when wet"
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Sunnybear
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Stewpot - you won't get an accurate result because, for one, Capricorns like myself don't believe in such frivolities as astrology, and will skip over a thread like this one. Scorpios, on the other hand, are all clairvoyants, so there is nothing to be gained by their reading a thread on astrology started by a Taurean.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Musician Star Signs.
“My bet (see above, somewhere near the top of this thread) was based on the premise that astrology is all bullsh*t.”
Burn the infidel!
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Bob himself
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Showaddy - you are a virgo?
Myself I'm a leo/virgo cusp.
Any other cusps around?
PS What star sign is Michael Coleman?
Or any of the other masters of instruments in the music?
Happy Daze!
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Greenwiggle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Michael Coleman wasn allegedly born on January 31, 1891, so Aquarius?
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Bob himself
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Just so the math can come out right, I am not on the cusp (nor the lisp, for that matter [tis oft a slip betwixt the cusp and the lisp???].
I was adopten and when I had to register for the draft with the Selective Service System, I found I had two birth certificates, both legit, both equally vague in origins, so I chose the latter one, just to see if the next 18 years would be that different from the first 18.
Also for the count, my lovely wife, bodhranist Min Gates, is a (real, no-foolin') Aries.
Our fiddler, TJ Hull, was born in October. I don't speak enough astrology to say what sign that is, sorry.
stv
http://cdbaby.com/Cuclhies
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by stv culchie
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Greenwiggle, I was under the impresson that people born close after the dead line are on the cusps. So be definition I am an Aquarius born on the cusp of Capricorn.
Bob, Jan. 31 is Aquarius.
Ptarmgan, you can't see me in that picture.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Why Bother?
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Steve, you posted while I was typing. Beginning October is Scorpio, I can't remember what comes next.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Why Bother?
Re: Musician Star Signs.
"I suppose, with a name like Red Crow, he must be third from the left, but which one is Unseen?"
"Ptarmgan, you can't see me in that picture."
He's the seventh in the picture, but he's UNSEEN.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Owell Mabee
Re: Musician Star Signs.
And Ptarmigan, I think you owe Red Crow an apology, she's a lassie
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Phew Owell, I didn't realize he was so short!
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Jeeez Strathfoyle, these women'll do just about anythin' to get into the movies, won't they! OK, so 'she's' third from the left!
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: Musician Star Signs.
LOL Ptarmigan, you're late on the batter tonight/tomorrow morning. You know what I mean
These time zones can mess a guy up.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Strathfoyle
Re: Musician Star Signs.
WTF....
Another Sagittarius checking in, always on the crux of some dilemma, generally imaginary.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by tomw
Re: Musician Star Signs.
ARIES.... I think we always have to be you know ....ARIES
The weather is nice in April ? Well it is here...
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by lamh trom
Re: Musician Star Signs.
23rd September. Either a Libra or Virgo, I dunno.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by ecidralla
Re: Musician Star Signs.
To be serious for a moment.The following is from skepdic.com
The most popular form of traditional Western astrology is sun sign astrology, the kind found in the horoscopes of many daily newspapers. A horoscope is an astrological forecast. The term is also used to describe a map of the zodiac at the time of one’s birth. The zodiac is divided into twelve zones of the sky, each named after the constellation that originally fell within its zone (Taurus, Leo, etc.). The apparent paths of the sun, the moon, and the major planets all fall within the zodiac. Because of the precession of the equinoxes, the equinox and solstice points have each moved westward about 30 degrees in the last 2,000 years. Thus, the zodiacal constellations named in ancient times no longer correspond to the segments of the zodiac represented by their signs. In short, had you been born at the same time on the same day of the year 2,000 years ago, you would have been born under a different sign.
In fact, there should be 13 signs, not 12.
Precession of the equinox is caused by the fact that the axis of the earth's rotation (which causes day and night) and the axis of the earth's revolution around the sun (which marks the passage of each year) are not parallel. They are 23 l/2 degrees away from lining up; that is, the earth's axis of rotation is tilted. This tilt also causes our seasons, a fact that Ptolemy did understand but that many people do not understand even today. Ptolemy understood that the rotation axis of the earth was slowly precessing, or moving in a circle, with an angular radius of 23 1/2 degrees with a period of around 26,000 years. He deduced this from comparisons of data taken by the ancient Sumerians 2,000 years before his time. He did not understand what was pushing the precession, but he did understand the motion. We now realize that the sun is rotating with a period of around 30 days and that this causes the sun to bulge at the equator, which causes a torque to be exerted on the top like motion of the earth's day and night cycle. There is also a small 18.6-year variation caused by the moon's orbit around the earth, and the moon also has a small effect on precession; however, the sun's equatorial bulge is the main cause of the precession of the equinox, which is why your sign listed in the newspaper, by Sidney Omar for instance, in most cases is removed by one sign from the modern, actual position of the sun at your birth.
The modern signs as listed here are further complicated when their boundaries are those of the current constellations. A neater way of dividing the signs would be to divide the ecliptic into 30-degree slices, as Ptolemy did, but to keep the slices centered on the star patterns. This would make the time interval for the signs more nearly 30 days each and eliminate the [13th] sign of Ophiuchus, but your modern sign would still differ by one sign from the tradition designations.*
Traditional Western astrology may be divided into tropical and sidereal. (Astrologers in non-Western traditions use different systems.) The tropical, or solar, year is measured relative to the sun and is the time between successive vernal equinoxes (365 days, 5 hr, 48 min, 46 sec of mean solar time). The sidereal year is the time required for the earth to complete an orbit of the sun relative to the stars (365 days, 6 hr, 9 min, 9.5 sec of mean solar time). The sidereal year is longer than the tropical year because of the precession of the equinoxes, i.e., the slow westward shift of the equinoctial points along the plane of the ecliptic at a rate of 50.27 seconds of arc per year, resulting from precession of the earth’s axis of rotation.
Astrologers emphasize the importance of the positions of the sun, moon, planets, etc., at the time of birth. However, the birthing process isn’t instantaneous. There is no single moment that a person is born. The fact that some official somewhere writes down a time of birth is irrelevant. Do they pick the moment the water breaks? The moment the first dilation occurs? When the first hair or toenail peeks through? When the last toenail or hair passes the last millimeter of the vagina? When the umbilical cord is cut? When the first breath is taken? Or does birth occur at the moment a physician or nurse looks at a clock to note the time of birth?
Why are the initial conditions more important than all subsequent conditions for one’s personality and traits? Why is the moment of birth chosen as the significant moment rather than the moment of conception? Why aren’t other initial conditions such as one’s mother’s health, the delivery place conditions, forceps, bright lights, dim room, back seat of a car, etc., more important than whether Mars is ascending, descending, culminating, or fulminating? Why isn’t the planet Earth—the closest large object to us in our solar system--considered a major influence on who we are and what we become? Other than the sun and the moon and an occasional passing comet or asteroid, most planetary objects are so distant from us that any influences they might have on anything on our planet are likely to be wiped out by the influences of other things here on earth.
No one would claim that in order to grasp the effect of the moon on the tides or potatoes one must understand initial conditions of the Singularity before the Big Bang, or the positions of the stars and planets at the time the potato was harvested. If you want to know what tomorrow’s low tide will be you do not need to know where the moon was when the first ocean or river was formed, or whether the ocean came first and then the moon, or vice-versa. Initial conditions are less important than present conditions to understanding current effects on rivers and vegetables. If this is true for the tides and plants, why wouldn’t it be true for people?
Finally, there are those who defend astrology by pointing out how accurate professional horoscopes are. Astrology “works,” it is said, but what does that mean? Basically, to say astrology works means that there are a lot of satisfied customers and one can shoehorn any event to fit a chart. It does not mean that astrology is accurate in predicting human behavior or events to a degree significantly greater than mere chance. There are many satisfied customers who believe that their horoscope accurately describes them and that their astrologer has given them good advice. Such evidence does not prove astrology so much as it demonstrates the Forer effect, and confirmation bias. Good astrologers give good advice, but that does not validate astrology. There have been several studies that have shown that people will use selective thinking to make any chart they are given fit their preconceived notions about themselves and their charts. Many of the claims made about signs and personalities are vague and would fit many people under many different signs. Even professional astrologers, most of whom have nothing but disdain for sun sign astrology, can’t pick out a correct horoscope reading at better than a chance rate. Yet, astrology continues to maintain its popularity, despite the fact that there is scarcely a shred of scientific evidence in its favor. Even the former First Lady of the United States, Nancy Reagan, and her husband, Ronald, consulted an astrologer while he was the leader of the free world, demonstrating once again that astrologers have more influence than the stars do.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by dafydd
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I think that the last passage about astrolgers pandering to their gullible clients is appropriate.Has any astrologer ever produced a chart for someone saying "You are a waste of space and the world would be a better place wihout you?"
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by dafydd
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Greenwiggle
No I'm not a virgo (could make facetious remark here about not having been one since 1978).
Try again - there's now a 1 in 11 chance of getting it right.
I'm sensing a Henry - is there anyone on the yellow board with the name Henry? - or maybe a friend or relative called Henry?. Or it could be a cat called Henry. Or possibly Jim?
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by showaddydadito
Anyone here ever given their cat a 'Musical Name'?
Yeah Showaddy, only Astrology types would be daft enough to give their cats people's names, like Henry or Jim.
Surely Cats are normally called sensible things, by 'normal people', like Spot, or Patch or Rover?
Anyone here ever given their cat a 'Musical Name', like Symphony or Bum Note?
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: Musician Star Signs.
OK if anyone is interested in Astrology you should read the predictions of Lloyd Schumner (retired machinist) in theonion.com
http://www.theonion.com
Scarily accurate - the archives are proof of that.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Hello
Why not follow up an earlier thread on all this and see which MONTH/part of the year most of us are born in?? Maybe more musos are from the Winter/early Spring months??
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by madame bonaparte
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Well I started this thread so I'll finish it.
What did I tell you Taureans make the best musicians. There's a lot like me from B"a""a"rnsley, few words are best.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Justintime
Re: Musician Star Signs.
"Few words are best", unlike our welsh friend daffyd , bet he's never been to Barnsley.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Justintime
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I have,and I could sing you the Barnsley Anthem too.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by dafydd
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Remember the heady days of the 70s and 80s - how scrap yards were always found in groups of two or three - down a stony lane and guarded by a big dog?
Back in 1988 I had cause to seek for a Bus and Coach scrap yard - and lo! there are only 4 in the whole of the UK.
Three of them are side by side in Barnsley.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by showaddydadito
Re: Musician Star Signs.
Where there's muck there's brass . . .
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Justintime
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I am a Scorpio
# Posted on March 9th 2006 by Robert.Menzies
Re: Musician Star Signs.
I am Spartacus
# Posted on March 11th 2006 by dafydd