For some of you it may sound rather obvious, but for me - after 3 years of playing the whistle I just discovered rolls... All these years went to drain without practicing on them!
And I was banging my head on the wall about how they were doing those triple notes on each tune I was listening to ;/
Since I never really learned how to play the whistle, and only recently read some online tuturial
a question arises:
The A roll is the hardest for me - harder than the B even, maybe im doing something wrong.
Should I do the A roll like I do the B roll - raise the A finger (second) followed by third strike? Or like I read somewhere, that second finger shouldn't be used for rolls...
The B roll is rather easier because I just jump with my first finger and strike with the second. Or maybe that's a wrong approach also?
And the D roll... I do it with 3rd finger followed by 6th finger jumping on the D.
'A' and especially 'a' on the higher octave, don't roll well if I raise 1st and 3rd fingers - I feel quite handicapped when im trying to do it that way to say the truth ;/
Well done that whistler! Only 3 years too, that's not bad.
I use first or second finger for the A roll, depending on where the tune is going. Second in the high octave, otherwise it's liable to squeak of fluff. B sounds right to me. You're doing a primitive cran on the D, that's good. It will get better as you get looser.
I used to practice my scales using the rolls, its a good way to become fluent,
so you start with B'roll, A'roll, G'roll and so on down the scale and back up again.
Now that you have figured it out, you`re going to have a ball!
Oh and I also find that it is easiest to lift the b finger for the A roll.
Actually I'm starting to notice it really matters where the tune is going and how the A roll will be done...
I also noticed the B roll is harder on the whistle than on the low whistle.
here's little something I've recorded today just for the fun:
Trip - It is not necessarily a bad thing that you have been playing without rolls for all this time. You have had 3 years of learning to play in time and control your breath, tonguing etc. Now you have a solid framework into which to fit your newly discovered rolls.
Josie McDermott couldn't play rolls when he started playing, due to a 'lazy finger'. So he developed his own style of ornamentation using tonguing. Later on, he learned to roll, and incorporated this into his style as well.
I don't know if you've found this out yet, Tip, but when you do the B roll or the A roll using finger 1, don't worry about what key it's in. It doesn't matter at all whether a c natural, C sharp or somewhere inbetween comes out, as the effect is more percussive than melodic.
I also use this for some tunes in A, where you can occasionally replace an awkward G# with a roll on the A that just hides the issue.
@luap ekrub
I get what u're saying ;) the problem is the motorics in my hand... I need to work on it - getting 3rd to strike after 1st or after 2nd cut.
@slainte
very nice one... I decided to contribute this whole morning to record this tune upon what u've posted:
Well BD, you need to get yourself a 'Pivtoradentsivka' or a 'Dubeldentsivka'! We see them at our sessions, all the time!
The Pivtoradetsivka is translated as one and a half dentsivkas.
It consists of two dentsivkas joined together into one instrument.
Only one of the pipes has fingerholes.
The other acts as a drone.
The drone pipe in a pivtoradentsivka is usually shorter than the playing pipe.
The instrument has the same fingering as the standard dentsivka.
Dvodentsivka (Dubeldentsivka)
The dvodentsivka means literally two dentsivkas and this is what it is.
Two dentsivkas are joined together into one instrument but still only one has playing holes.
The other pipe, although it is the same length, has no holes and acts as a drone.
I can't believe this....
I can't believe this....
For some of you it may sound rather obvious, but for me - after 3 years of playing the whistle I just discovered rolls... All these years went to drain without practicing on them!
And I was banging my head on the wall about how they were doing those triple notes on each tune I was listening to ;/
Since I never really learned how to play the whistle, and only recently read some online tuturial
a question arises:
The A roll is the hardest for me - harder than the B even, maybe im doing something wrong.
Should I do the A roll like I do the B roll - raise the A finger (second) followed by third strike? Or like I read somewhere, that second finger shouldn't be used for rolls...
The B roll is rather easier because I just jump with my first finger and strike with the second. Or maybe that's a wrong approach also?
And the D roll... I do it with 3rd finger followed by 6th finger jumping on the D.
'A' and especially 'a' on the higher octave, don't roll well if I raise 1st and 3rd fingers - I feel quite handicapped when im trying to do it that way to say the truth ;/
I'm playing the Susato low whistle in D.
cheers all - allways happy to discover new things
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by Trip-
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Well done that whistler! Only 3 years too, that's not bad.
I use first or second finger for the A roll, depending on where the tune is going. Second in the high octave, otherwise it's liable to squeak of fluff. B sounds right to me. You're doing a primitive cran on the D, that's good. It will get better as you get looser.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by LastToFinish
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yes, the A roll is the hardest. But remember, the trick is to make them all sound as easy as each other. It's just practice
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by llig leahcim
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I used to practice my scales using the rolls, its a good way to become fluent,
so you start with B'roll, A'roll, G'roll and so on down the scale and back up again.
Now that you have figured it out, you`re going to have a ball!
Oh and I also find that it is easiest to lift the b finger for the A roll.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by blas
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Well, I've been playing for 38 years, and I still can't do a bread roll. Sigh.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by cyber-bullying is a criminal offence
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Thanks alot for the input
Actually I'm starting to notice it really matters where the tune is going and how the A roll will be done...
I also noticed the B roll is harder on the whistle than on the low whistle.
here's little something I've recorded today just for the fun:
http://www.aqpi44.dsl.pipex.com/trip-/rolling.mp3
thanks all... wish i'd new rolls earlier ;/
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by Trip-
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Trip - It is not necessarily a bad thing that you have been playing without rolls for all this time. You have had 3 years of learning to play in time and control your breath, tonguing etc. Now you have a solid framework into which to fit your newly discovered rolls.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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Josie McDermott couldn't play rolls when he started playing, due to a 'lazy finger'. So he developed his own style of ornamentation using tonguing. Later on, he learned to roll, and incorporated this into his style as well.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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Well done! I saw many people try to learn rolls before they can play tunes in a steady rhythm. But your playing is lovely.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by slainte
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You're a wise man, "spoon." I know you used to be David, or Mountain Goat.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by slainte
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Your words are making this alot more positive than I thought
thanks alot! Ornaments here I come...
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by Trip-
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Trip!!! That playing will pass ANYWHERE! Excellent stuff, can only get better from now on.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by LastToFinish
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Doing a fine job Trip <thumbs up>
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by Strathfoyle
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OK, I know people on the circuit making money by playing who don't sound as good as you do! You have nothing to be embarassed about!
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by JeffK627
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Nice jig Trip - what is the name of it?
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by williamcoulter
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Coppers & Brass (aka. the Humours of Ennistymon), isn't it?
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by slainte
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Keep workin at them. Eventually you will be just as good as the Pros, if you keep consistient practice.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by Why Bother?
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trip, you make me want to take up the whistle, sounds so nice, and you never break a string...F M fiddler
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by full measure
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Beautiful Trip. I'd be very happy if I could get that kind of music out of my own whistle.
By the way, what type of whistle is it...
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by bosco
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Eee by gum lad, you have to get up early in't mornin' tae answer a 'tune question' before Slainte, don't you!
ITM's answer to John Travolta - Mr Grease Lightning!
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by Ptarmigan
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Slainte to Slainte! The wisest man of all.
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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The tune is called Queen of the Rushes. Some info here:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/710
I really loved that recording that was posted in the coments
@bosco
I've mentioned earlier, I'm playing the Susato Low in D. cheers
# Posted on March 1st 2006 by Trip-
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Trip, here's a little present for you: http://www.claddaghrecords.com/www/music/mp3/ccf36/CCF36CDtrk11.mp3
You might have already learned it, but the Knotted Cord is a really nice piece for A rolls. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/921
# Posted on March 2nd 2006 by slainte
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I don't know if you've found this out yet, Tip, but when you do the B roll or the A roll using finger 1, don't worry about what key it's in. It doesn't matter at all whether a c natural, C sharp or somewhere inbetween comes out, as the effect is more percussive than melodic.
I also use this for some tunes in A, where you can occasionally replace an awkward G# with a roll on the A that just hides the issue.
# Posted on March 2nd 2006 by LastToFinish
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@luap ekrub
I get what u're saying ;) the problem is the motorics in my hand... I need to work on it - getting 3rd to strike after 1st or after 2nd cut.
@slainte
very nice one... I decided to contribute this whole morning to record this tune upon what u've posted:
http://www.aqpi44.dsl.pipex.com/trip-/rolls2.mp3
Chek it out tell me how it goes
cheers all
# Posted on March 2nd 2006 by Trip-
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A whistle with drones - I got to get me one of those !
# Posted on March 2nd 2006 by BD-
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Well BD, you need to get yourself a 'Pivtoradentsivka' or a 'Dubeldentsivka'! We see them at our sessions, all the time!
The Pivtoradetsivka is translated as one and a half dentsivkas.
It consists of two dentsivkas joined together into one instrument.
Only one of the pipes has fingerholes.
The other acts as a drone.
The drone pipe in a pivtoradentsivka is usually shorter than the playing pipe.
The instrument has the same fingering as the standard dentsivka.
Dvodentsivka (Dubeldentsivka)
The dvodentsivka means literally two dentsivkas and this is what it is.
Two dentsivkas are joined together into one instrument but still only one has playing holes.
The other pipe, although it is the same length, has no holes and acts as a drone.
Check them out at:
http://home.att.net/~bandura.ca/VMfolkBook/wind.html
# Posted on March 2nd 2006 by Ptarmigan
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@BD
I've added the drone to the recording just for the fun of it i guess... kinda gets the drone atmosphere out
hehe mate
It's hard to record yourself twice though on the whisltes...
# Posted on March 3rd 2006 by Trip-
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Another nice one. keep it up. If you want to practice crans, Anne Fishfluke (O'Farrell's Welcome to Limerick) is a good one.
# Posted on March 3rd 2006 by LastToFinish
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Try here for more unbeliveable stuff:
http://www.whistletutor.com
# Posted on March 4th 2006 by Feargal French