Have you ever found it's less fun to play in a session with someone who has already recorded a CD? Maybe you've recorded a CD. Do you ever find you have less fun at sessions? Like maybe you'd rather be playing a paid gig somewhere else? Or in a session where everybody else has already recorded CDs too? This probably strikes at the heart of the work vs play question.... Personally, like anyone cares, I don't think I'll ever make a recording for 2 reasons: a) I'm not good enough nor do I 'want it badly enough,' & b) it seems many folks who enter the CD making-process often seem drained & miserable by the end of the project, no matter what the end result.
Very late night musings here. Interested in your thoughts about why you recorded, why you haven't, or why you simply choose not to.
Back in the 80's Emily I was a big snooker fan.There were some real characters which made T.V. viewing compulsive at times. These days the players have been likened to faceless, unemotional robots (not all of course but a good many).I find some really good musicians sometimes fall into the later category and I often wonder if they enjoy themselves anymore. It was great to see Mike McGoldrick in a sesh at Sidmouth (UK) joining in with tunes like the Kesh and not appearing to be above the situation. Of course he is far better than that but he was enjoying the true spirit of a session.As long as you enjoy the music then I guess its mission accomplished.
First time, my mission was to put tunes & players from this neck of the woods, North Antrim, out there for folks to hear cause, at that time, there were no recordings from up here.
So I put together two tapes of local musicians playing local-ish tunes & also put on a few tracks of some of my students playing.
Must say I found it a thoroughly enjoyable experience, probably cause I felt under no pressure to 'dazzle' anyone.
Second time was when a local rhymer asked me to put some tracks together for his CD of North Antrim Rhymes.
I gathered up a bunch of musicians & arranged a few tracks with a distinctly Scottish flavour & once again, was under no pressure, so enjoyed the experience.
I think if you actually have a good reason for recording a CD then you should enjoy making it.
If, on the other hand, you are recording in an attempt to rock the ITM world with your brilliance then, unless you are one of the chosen few, like Harry Bradley etc etc, then you are doomed to fail & be disappointed with the end result.
No sense in just making a CD for the sake of making a CD - is there?
If you do decide to give it a go, be sure of one thing, by the time you have finished it, you will be so sick of each track, you won't be able to listen to any of it yourself!
So try & enjoy the process of actually making it, cause that's as good as it gets!
hi. thankfully i find all claims about cds diminishing the enjoyment of sessions untrue. i made an album because i love playing music and recording an album with brilliant musicians has only enhanced that. i enjoy gigs but the session is an invaluable place to practice.
as regards "be assured that you'll be sick of every track"... as donal lunny says when talking of arranging music, build it right, and it'll last. i love playing our stuff at concerts and gigs although i wouldn't play them at sessions for obvious reasons.
Yeah, Mairtin, the CD process had little effect on my normal session experience.
Funny though, when you say "i enjoy gigs but the session is an invaluable place to practice." - cause I would treat gigs & making wee recordings as being a good way to practice, so that my session playing would improve.
CDs, Gigs etc come & go but Sessions are there, always, & that's where ITM is at, for me.
I really couldn't care less if I never played another gig, or made another CD, but I can't live without regular sessions!
Emily, you say - "I'm not good enough nor do I 'want it badly enough," One thing I found was that I always left the experience feeling that I could have played just that bit better on each track, so just remember that you will always be your own worst critic.
So in some ways, none of us will ever be good enough to meet our own exacting standards, but it can be fun trying to do the best you can.
Another way to look at a recording is that it is simply a record of well you played on that day, & hopefully 5 or 10 years down the track you are going to be so much better, but there's no point in waiting for ever, cause nobody ever gets perfect!
If you don't actually want to do it, then, don't bother.
Some of the best musicians I know have never recorded & have no interest in recording.
If you are a full time musician then it is one way of boosting your income, but heck if it's your hobby, why worry, just sit back & enjoy the ride.
Your not a bad person because you have never recorded!
Hello all!
Tis my first post....
Hold on til i call me mammy...
Yo Máirtín,
are you still there??
Are you coming to the Palace for tunes tonight?
It seems to me that making a cd doesn't reduce one's enjoyment of sessions BUT
Being a professional musician, especially in a non-mainstream type of music as traditional Irish can cause stress (money problems, having to play music that isn't the music you want to play, et c.) Can make you unconsciously see music more as work, not pleasure.
Combine that with practising very hard & playing LOTS, and it's easy for the spontaneity of your music, what you get back out of it yourself, et c to really fade away.
I've seen this happen to lots of people, many of whom have CDs.
It happened to myself after only 9months of playing around pubs in Dublin, so i got a job, now it's fun to play again.
Then again, there's lot's of other pro musicians it doesn't happen to.
Ho hum........
I am trying to carve out some time over the next several weeks to use a friend's recording studio and put together a combination audition/EP album. I've done recordings before, but that was years ago and in a band context. This project, if you will, is more of a solo venture, though I'm hoping to pull in some friends for some of the tracks.
There are a number of reasons why I'm contemplating doing this. On the practical side, I'd like to have a polished, professional-grade recording to send out to concert, festival, coffeehouse and other event or venue organizers. And, if I should land gigs, it's always nice to have something of yourself to send home with a (hopefully) appreciative audience, especially if they're willing to pay 10 bucks or so.
But I have to admit, a good part of my interest in recording is along the lines of creativity, indulgence and vanity. I'd like to effectively capture some of the musical ideas that've been floating around in my head for a number of years, to see how they come out and, yes, how they're received by others -- especially friends and acquaintances. Right off the bat, I can think of at least 15 or 20 people I'd give copies to, because they're people I like and respect, and/or have played music with on a fairly regular basis.
I'm also trying to be very realistic about how much I should invest, literally, in this project. It'd be one thing if I was reasonably sure that I had a dozen or so gigs lined up over the next several months, and the potential for several more on the horizon. If that was the case, I'd likely spend an extra several hundred bucks on mastering, ordering a few hundred copies and higher-end packaging and graphics.
But since that's not the case, I figure I can for now go small-scale, do the duplication myself at home and cobble together some sort of minimalist but reasonably serviceable insert for the CD case.
If at some point down the road it seems possible and truly worthwhile to spend those extra dollars on refining the CD, I may do so. If not, well, something for posterity, I guess.
One thing I would recommend you do, before going into the studio, is get your hands on a 4Track & spend a few weeks, or months, playing around with all your tracks, messing around with different combinations of instruments & all sorts of other musical ideas etc, before you get anywhere near the studio.
I'm sure you know this already, but the studio is really a place to record, not somewhere to start farting around with ideas.
I reckon, to save you lots of time & money & to save the engineer's time & patience, you should have detailed notes outlining every track & every instrument's role in every track.
You & he, at least, should have copies of these & your other musicians should know exactly what's expected of them, long before they go through the studio door.
If you are well planned & fully rehearsed you should get the most out of the whole experience.
Whether it's to be just a demo or a polished CD, you will only be doing yourself a favour if you go about it in a professional manner.
After all, you never know who might end up hearing it!
Hi Em… for me recording is a psychotic experience. I’ve recorded 3 times and each one was someone else’s idea. I have never felt I was ready to record. I’ve always been involved with a band, and ultimately someone decides it would be a good idea to have a recording to hawk at gigs. I end up being roped into it even though I feel unworthy.
Each time I have a strong desire to not release the recording and argue the point with my cohorts. They usually win, but I’m very bothered by the recording for a long time. The effect it has on me is a positive one though. It sends me into a deep woodshedding mode and I end up improving my playing.
This has happened to me 4 times now. The most recent one was a request from the set dancers we play for to produce a recording they could dance their sets to. They offered to finance the project, and we ended up recording it. This recording turned out no different than the others as far as my response to it goes. It’s profound when you hear how you sound that clearly. After the project, as usual, I went into a deep woodshedding mode once again. I’m just now coming out the other side. I do feel my playing has improved markedly, and people reinforce that with their comments. If another recording project jumped up in front of me I’m sure it would still have the same effect. I’m hoping it doesn’t happen any time soon though because I want to enjoy just playing the music for a while.
So how does this affect my session experience? I go to more sessions now than ever. The better I feel I can play, and the more control I have over my instruments – the more fun I have. You can’t beat meeting up with friends at the pub, downing a few pints and sharing the best music on the planet.
Ptarm, thanks for the follow-up and suggestions. Yes, I'm definitely planning on doing some pre-recording experimentation and preparation, both on my own and with any and all musicians I recruit. It makes all kinds of sense, not the least because when it comes to recording studios, time is definitely money. My friend's giving me a break on the price, but I still don't want to rack up a big bill mucking about with stuff I haven't really thought through!
Actually, I envision most of the tracks will be vocal/guitar anyway.
Hey guys, speaking of sessions and recordings... a friend of mine just sent me a link to an mp3 he made of our session last Sunday when Damian McKee of Beoga dropped by. It's a marathon set of tunes that features a lot of Damian's great box playing, especially towards the end when he plays tunes we don't know. I don't know how long my friend is going to leave the mp3 up, but have a listen just for fun.
I will never put out a cd, never be in a band, never get paid to do a gig, never host a paid session, and I will avoid playing on stage if I can. I wouldn't even play out in pubs if there were more house session going on around here. I don't play to get noticed or paid, I play because it is my pleasure.
Hahaha... well, that was an exception, we don't usually play marathon sets like that. Damian had just finished a weekend playing for a step-dancing thing... feis (?) and he was itching to play a few tunes. He showed up near the end of the session and sat down to play. We ran a few sets as we normally would with him, and then he took off like a bat out of hell. I think he was searching for tunes the rest of us knew... and he succeeded here and there, but he was clearly having a good time. Besides... we were egging him on. You can hear it on the recording. Great night of tunes that was.
I think is a good idea to record, not for the product but the process. I`m recording myself al home, in the pc, and I'm learnifg a lot, specially humilty. It's a way to see what you are doing bad, and maybe well. I know, we play to enjoy, but I enjoy better doing it better. So torture myself recording me playing with a metronome is a way to get the hapiness.
To add a little detail to the reference to Liz Carroll's tune (since Liz, unlike Paddy Fahy, does give names to her tunes) it's called The Chandelier. Here's what it says about the tune in the sleeve notes to Brendan Bulger, Marty Fahey and Kathleen Gavin's CD 'Music at the House': "The Chandelier dates from the mid-1970s and got its name in a funny way. At the time, Liz and Jimmy Keane were planning on playing this tune for a Senior Duet competition. Another fine duet at that time, Billy McComiskey and Brendan Mulvihill had, it seems, composed a tune they called The Candelabra. So, in an expression of good-natured gamesmanship, Liz opted for the current title."
to record or not to record?
to record or not to record?
Have you ever found it's less fun to play in a session with someone who has already recorded a CD? Maybe you've recorded a CD. Do you ever find you have less fun at sessions? Like maybe you'd rather be playing a paid gig somewhere else? Or in a session where everybody else has already recorded CDs too? This probably strikes at the heart of the work vs play question.... Personally, like anyone cares, I don't think I'll ever make a recording for 2 reasons: a) I'm not good enough nor do I 'want it badly enough,' & b) it seems many folks who enter the CD making-process often seem drained & miserable by the end of the project, no matter what the end result.
Very late night musings here. Interested in your thoughts about why you recorded, why you haven't, or why you simply choose not to.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by emily_bmore
Re: to record or not to record?
Back in the 80's Emily I was a big snooker fan.There were some real characters which made T.V. viewing compulsive at times. These days the players have been likened to faceless, unemotional robots (not all of course but a good many).I find some really good musicians sometimes fall into the later category and I often wonder if they enjoy themselves anymore. It was great to see Mike McGoldrick in a sesh at Sidmouth (UK) joining in with tunes like the Kesh and not appearing to be above the situation. Of course he is far better than that but he was enjoying the true spirit of a session.As long as you enjoy the music then I guess its mission accomplished.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Newty
Re: to record or not to record?
I've only recorded twice.
First time, my mission was to put tunes & players from this neck of the woods, North Antrim, out there for folks to hear cause, at that time, there were no recordings from up here.
So I put together two tapes of local musicians playing local-ish tunes & also put on a few tracks of some of my students playing.
Must say I found it a thoroughly enjoyable experience, probably cause I felt under no pressure to 'dazzle' anyone.
Second time was when a local rhymer asked me to put some tracks together for his CD of North Antrim Rhymes.
I gathered up a bunch of musicians & arranged a few tracks with a distinctly Scottish flavour & once again, was under no pressure, so enjoyed the experience.
I think if you actually have a good reason for recording a CD then you should enjoy making it.
If, on the other hand, you are recording in an attempt to rock the ITM world with your brilliance then, unless you are one of the chosen few, like Harry Bradley etc etc, then you are doomed to fail & be disappointed with the end result.
No sense in just making a CD for the sake of making a CD - is there?
If you do decide to give it a go, be sure of one thing, by the time you have finished it, you will be so sick of each track, you won't be able to listen to any of it yourself!
So try & enjoy the process of actually making it, cause that's as good as it gets!
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: to record or not to record?
By the way - snooker is like " big pool"
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Newty
Re: to record or not to record?
Played by men with long holeless flutes
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Newty
Re: to record or not to record?
Or Nigel, you could just play Internet Tennis. Try it here:
http://web4096.message.sk/round2/flash/9/index.html
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: to record or not to record?
hi. thankfully i find all claims about cds diminishing the enjoyment of sessions untrue. i made an album because i love playing music and recording an album with brilliant musicians has only enhanced that. i enjoy gigs but the session is an invaluable place to practice.
as regards "be assured that you'll be sick of every track"... as donal lunny says when talking of arranging music, build it right, and it'll last. i love playing our stuff at concerts and gigs although i wouldn't play them at sessions for obvious reasons.
so record away and enjoy it!
martin.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by martin t
Re: to record or not to record?
Yeah, Mairtin, the CD process had little effect on my normal session experience.
Funny though, when you say "i enjoy gigs but the session is an invaluable place to practice." - cause I would treat gigs & making wee recordings as being a good way to practice, so that my session playing would improve.
CDs, Gigs etc come & go but Sessions are there, always, & that's where ITM is at, for me.
I really couldn't care less if I never played another gig, or made another CD, but I can't live without regular sessions!
Emily, you say - "I'm not good enough nor do I 'want it badly enough," One thing I found was that I always left the experience feeling that I could have played just that bit better on each track, so just remember that you will always be your own worst critic.
So in some ways, none of us will ever be good enough to meet our own exacting standards, but it can be fun trying to do the best you can.
Another way to look at a recording is that it is simply a record of well you played on that day, & hopefully 5 or 10 years down the track you are going to be so much better, but there's no point in waiting for ever, cause nobody ever gets perfect!
If you don't actually want to do it, then, don't bother.
Some of the best musicians I know have never recorded & have no interest in recording.
If you are a full time musician then it is one way of boosting your income, but heck if it's your hobby, why worry, just sit back & enjoy the ride.
Your not a bad person because you have never recorded!
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: to record or not to record?
O Tarmy you git. I cant believe I just fell for that!
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Newty
Re: to record or not to record?
There's one born every minute! Yeeee Haaaa
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: to record or not to record?
Hello all!
Tis my first post....
Hold on til i call me mammy...
Yo Máirtín,
are you still there??
Are you coming to the Palace for tunes tonight?
It seems to me that making a cd doesn't reduce one's enjoyment of sessions BUT
Being a professional musician, especially in a non-mainstream type of music as traditional Irish can cause stress (money problems, having to play music that isn't the music you want to play, et c.) Can make you unconsciously see music more as work, not pleasure.
Combine that with practising very hard & playing LOTS, and it's easy for the spontaneity of your music, what you get back out of it yourself, et c to really fade away.
I've seen this happen to lots of people, many of whom have CDs.
It happened to myself after only 9months of playing around pubs in Dublin, so i got a job, now it's fun to play again.
Then again, there's lot's of other pro musicians it doesn't happen to.
Ho hum........
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by diamondo
Re: to record or not to record?
Welcome Diamondo, first post eh? Well done, I hope this is not going to be your:
http://www.awm.gov.au/commemoration/last_post.htm
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: to record or not to record?
I am trying to carve out some time over the next several weeks to use a friend's recording studio and put together a combination audition/EP album. I've done recordings before, but that was years ago and in a band context. This project, if you will, is more of a solo venture, though I'm hoping to pull in some friends for some of the tracks.
There are a number of reasons why I'm contemplating doing this. On the practical side, I'd like to have a polished, professional-grade recording to send out to concert, festival, coffeehouse and other event or venue organizers. And, if I should land gigs, it's always nice to have something of yourself to send home with a (hopefully) appreciative audience, especially if they're willing to pay 10 bucks or so.
But I have to admit, a good part of my interest in recording is along the lines of creativity, indulgence and vanity. I'd like to effectively capture some of the musical ideas that've been floating around in my head for a number of years, to see how they come out and, yes, how they're received by others -- especially friends and acquaintances. Right off the bat, I can think of at least 15 or 20 people I'd give copies to, because they're people I like and respect, and/or have played music with on a fairly regular basis.
I'm also trying to be very realistic about how much I should invest, literally, in this project. It'd be one thing if I was reasonably sure that I had a dozen or so gigs lined up over the next several months, and the potential for several more on the horizon. If that was the case, I'd likely spend an extra several hundred bucks on mastering, ordering a few hundred copies and higher-end packaging and graphics.
But since that's not the case, I figure I can for now go small-scale, do the duplication myself at home and cobble together some sort of minimalist but reasonably serviceable insert for the CD case.
If at some point down the road it seems possible and truly worthwhile to spend those extra dollars on refining the CD, I may do so. If not, well, something for posterity, I guess.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by sts
Re: to record or not to record?
I notice you play a bunch of instruments sts.
One thing I would recommend you do, before going into the studio, is get your hands on a 4Track & spend a few weeks, or months, playing around with all your tracks, messing around with different combinations of instruments & all sorts of other musical ideas etc, before you get anywhere near the studio.
I'm sure you know this already, but the studio is really a place to record, not somewhere to start farting around with ideas.
I reckon, to save you lots of time & money & to save the engineer's time & patience, you should have detailed notes outlining every track & every instrument's role in every track.
You & he, at least, should have copies of these & your other musicians should know exactly what's expected of them, long before they go through the studio door.
If you are well planned & fully rehearsed you should get the most out of the whole experience.
Whether it's to be just a demo or a polished CD, you will only be doing yourself a favour if you go about it in a professional manner.
After all, you never know who might end up hearing it!
Have a great time.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: to record or not to record?
Hi Em… for me recording is a psychotic experience. I’ve recorded 3 times and each one was someone else’s idea. I have never felt I was ready to record. I’ve always been involved with a band, and ultimately someone decides it would be a good idea to have a recording to hawk at gigs. I end up being roped into it even though I feel unworthy.
Each time I have a strong desire to not release the recording and argue the point with my cohorts. They usually win, but I’m very bothered by the recording for a long time. The effect it has on me is a positive one though. It sends me into a deep woodshedding mode and I end up improving my playing.
This has happened to me 4 times now. The most recent one was a request from the set dancers we play for to produce a recording they could dance their sets to. They offered to finance the project, and we ended up recording it. This recording turned out no different than the others as far as my response to it goes. It’s profound when you hear how you sound that clearly. After the project, as usual, I went into a deep woodshedding mode once again. I’m just now coming out the other side. I do feel my playing has improved markedly, and people reinforce that with their comments. If another recording project jumped up in front of me I’m sure it would still have the same effect. I’m hoping it doesn’t happen any time soon though because I want to enjoy just playing the music for a while.
So how does this affect my session experience? I go to more sessions now than ever. The better I feel I can play, and the more control I have over my instruments – the more fun I have. You can’t beat meeting up with friends at the pub, downing a few pints and sharing the best music on the planet.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: to record or not to record?
Ptarm, thanks for the follow-up and suggestions. Yes, I'm definitely planning on doing some pre-recording experimentation and preparation, both on my own and with any and all musicians I recruit. It makes all kinds of sense, not the least because when it comes to recording studios, time is definitely money. My friend's giving me a break on the price, but I still don't want to rack up a big bill mucking about with stuff I haven't really thought through!
Actually, I envision most of the tracks will be vocal/guitar anyway.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by sts
Re: to record or not to record?
Hey guys, speaking of sessions and recordings... a friend of mine just sent me a link to an mp3 he made of our session last Sunday when Damian McKee of Beoga dropped by. It's a marathon set of tunes that features a lot of Damian's great box playing, especially towards the end when he plays tunes we don't know. I don't know how long my friend is going to leave the mp3 up, but have a listen just for fun.
http://homepage.mac.com/douglowder/ploughsession20060219-longreelset.mp3
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: to record or not to record?
I will never put out a cd, never be in a band, never get paid to do a gig, never host a paid session, and I will avoid playing on stage if I can. I wouldn't even play out in pubs if there were more house session going on around here. I don't play to get noticed or paid, I play because it is my pleasure.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by JackMurphy
Re: to record or not to record?
Damn, Jack, you guys play some long sets at your session. When do you find the time to drink? Great music, though...
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by johnkerr
Re: to record or not to record?
Hahaha... well, that was an exception, we don't usually play marathon sets like that. Damian had just finished a weekend playing for a step-dancing thing... feis (?) and he was itching to play a few tunes. He showed up near the end of the session and sat down to play. We ran a few sets as we normally would with him, and then he took off like a bat out of hell. I think he was searching for tunes the rest of us knew... and he succeeded here and there, but he was clearly having a good time. Besides... we were egging him on. You can hear it on the recording. Great night of tunes that was.
# Posted on February 22nd 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: to record or not to record?
Hi JackM, of course you don't play to get noticed! You get noticed for the hair.
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by feadogin
Re: to record or not to record?
JackMurphy - what about competitions ?
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by Kenny
Re: to record or not to record?
I am only starting off and playing in a paid session or gig does have a motivational factor to it...
I have to say I enjoy playing a session for different reasons, it can be more dynamic.
I'm not ready to record...enough said.
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by flauta dolce
Re: to record or not to record?
I think is a good idea to record, not for the product but the process. I`m recording myself al home, in the pc, and I'm learnifg a lot, specially humilty. It's a way to see what you are doing bad, and maybe well. I know, we play to enjoy, but I enjoy better doing it better. So torture myself recording me playing with a metronome is a way to get the hapiness.
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by fer
Re: to record or not to record?
A rocky road to happiness?
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by fer
Re: to record or not to record?
"me playing with a metronome is a way to get the hapiness." - How many notes can you get out of your metronome?
Would you not get more satisfaction & happiness if you recorded yourself playing with a more musical instrument?
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by Ptarmigan
Re: to record or not to record?
sorry, the fiddle is part of my body
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by fer
Re: to record or not to record?
JackM, there's an old Salmon fishing adage, "Never say never, and never say always".
I think a smidgen of wisdom lies therein...
Mark
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by Ottery
Re: to record or not to record?
hey Jack - whats the first tune on that track called?
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by bb
Re: to record or not to record?
Liz Carroll's
(JerryH just told me...)
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by Ottery
Re: to record or not to record?
thanks!
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by bb
Re: to record or not to record?
Yep!
# Posted on February 23rd 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: to record or not to record?
To add a little detail to the reference to Liz Carroll's tune (since Liz, unlike Paddy Fahy, does give names to her tunes) it's called The Chandelier. Here's what it says about the tune in the sleeve notes to Brendan Bulger, Marty Fahey and Kathleen Gavin's CD 'Music at the House': "The Chandelier dates from the mid-1970s and got its name in a funny way. At the time, Liz and Jimmy Keane were planning on playing this tune for a Senior Duet competition. Another fine duet at that time, Billy McComiskey and Brendan Mulvihill had, it seems, composed a tune they called The Candelabra. So, in an expression of good-natured gamesmanship, Liz opted for the current title."
# Posted on February 24th 2006 by johnkerr
Re: to record or not to record?
Thanks John, from now on, 'The Chandelier' it is!
# Posted on February 24th 2006 by Ottery
Re: to record or not to record?
Yo !!! -
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1479
Obviously gian marco hasn't been following this. I thought it sounded familiar - recorded by Tony McManus.
# Posted on February 24th 2006 by Kenny