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Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
After attending, & competing, at last weekends wonderful Danny Boy competition in Limavady, which was designed to promote the beautiful music collected by Edward Bunting, I was wondering if his music is accepted at Fleadh Competitions these days?
It's only recently that Carolan Tunes were permitted, I believe, & not that long ago you were not even allowed to play some of the wonderful music of Donegal, i.e. Mazurkas, Flings, Highlands & Barndances etc. at these competitions.
If that decision was taken on the grounds that these rhythms weren't Irish, then why did they even let folk play the Hornpipe which came from England, the Jig from France & the Reel from Scotland.
I guess it was part of the Comhaltas Masterplan to standardise all Irish Music & erode the regional styles!?!?
After all the music of this wee island has been heavily influenced by it's neighbours for thousands of years and where did all the 'Irish' instruments come from in the first place?!
Fair play to the Irish for absorbing all these influences & producing some of the most magical music in the world. But let's embrace it all!! Three cheers for Eddie Bunting, I say - let's all learn more of his music.
OK So he didn't write down the bass lines - Dooh!!
Let's be positive - & look at what he did leave us - a treasure trove of magical melodies.
I recommend that every one of you explore these collections & add a few of these gems to your reportoire.
These days, as I get longer in the tooth & look more & more like Homer Simpson, in my dotage, I reckon there are, as far as I'm concerned, far too many flash Harry's around today, playing lightening music.
I think they should slow down & smell the flowers & enjoy the simple tunes too.
No doubt this has been looked at before, but it is an important topic.
A recent topic discussed how to compose new tunes. I say, why bother, your time would be better spent just hunting out some of the great old tunes and bringing them back to life. After all the musical countryside is littered these days with countless C_ _ P new tunes which haven't a cat in hell's chance of ever being absorbed into the tradition cause they simply don't have what it takes - many of them churned out by the 'Boy Bands' of Irish Music!!
Well, I hope I've upset someone with this!!
A very wise man once said, If you go through life without upsetting anyone - then you quite simply weren't trying very hard.
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
"Boy Bands of Irish Music"? You're bitter. How about the semi- litterate of Irish Music, as "Harry's" should be "Harrys" without the apostrophe as the apostrophe denotes possesive tense and the word "lightning" has no letter e. Spelling and grammar people ( sorry, I'm bitter... ) But I agree; why not allow Bunting's collection. any detractors?
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Well shiver me timbers!!
There are some real tight arsed "bitter" pedants around, on this site these days, aren't there!!
I suppose I should have gone through 'Spellcheck' before submitting my letter, but, silly me, I thought this was just a friendly wee chat site!!
I hadn't realised the "Spell Mafia" were alive and well & hiding out at 'The Session'!!
Must watch my Ps & Qs from now on, but it kind of takes the fun out of it. Och, crap to the politically correct. Who cares! Maybe I'll just make my next entry in good old 'Ulster Scotch'!!
Bet that'll slow ye down, ya boy ye!!
I await your spelling & grammatical corrections with baited breath!
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
I think I heard during an interview that "D'oh!" was the sound that the actor came up with when the script called for a "surprised grunt" or some such.
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Oh, Ptarmigan, while we're at all this Grammatically Correctness (should that be GC?) I suppose you'd better amend "Fleadh Competitions" to "Fleadhanna" otherwise the Gaeltacht-spellcheck-Gardai-na Politburo will be on your case very shortly indeed-io, boyo, as fast as you like me laddie.
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Ptarmigan, I'll attempt to answer your original question: my understanding is that the current fleadh rules would accommodate any tune that Bunting collected. Those certainly should meet the "Traditional Irish Music" criterion, and most if not all would fall under one of the specifically allowed tune categories (slow or lively air, set dance, clan march, planxty, etc.).
I agree with you that the old tunes should be further explored by more people. Another treasure trove is the body of tunes collected by Petrie, Bunting's apprentice--Dover has reprinted both his "Complete Irish Music" as well as a volume of his tunes arranged for piano.
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
I'd agree totally with Tedium that Edward Bunting's music is just a collection like O'Neill's or any other and will contain all sorts of traditional music most of which should present no problem in a Fleadh competition. I'm not familiar with the collection but I've been reliably informed that it contains many unusual tunes often used in Fleadh Grúpaí Cheoil competitions which, because of their rarity, have gained extra Brownie points from the adjudicators.
Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
After attending, & competing, at last weekends wonderful Danny Boy competition in Limavady, which was designed to promote the beautiful music collected by Edward Bunting, I was wondering if his music is accepted at Fleadh Competitions these days?
It's only recently that Carolan Tunes were permitted, I believe, & not that long ago you were not even allowed to play some of the wonderful music of Donegal, i.e. Mazurkas, Flings, Highlands & Barndances etc. at these competitions.
If that decision was taken on the grounds that these rhythms weren't Irish, then why did they even let folk play the Hornpipe which came from England, the Jig from France & the Reel from Scotland.
I guess it was part of the Comhaltas Masterplan to standardise all Irish Music & erode the regional styles!?!?
After all the music of this wee island has been heavily influenced by it's neighbours for thousands of years and where did all the 'Irish' instruments come from in the first place?!
Fair play to the Irish for absorbing all these influences & producing some of the most magical music in the world. But let's embrace it all!! Three cheers for Eddie Bunting, I say - let's all learn more of his music.
OK So he didn't write down the bass lines - Dooh!!
Let's be positive - & look at what he did leave us - a treasure trove of magical melodies.
I recommend that every one of you explore these collections & add a few of these gems to your reportoire.
These days, as I get longer in the tooth & look more & more like Homer Simpson, in my dotage, I reckon there are, as far as I'm concerned, far too many flash Harry's around today, playing lightening music.
I think they should slow down & smell the flowers & enjoy the simple tunes too.
No doubt this has been looked at before, but it is an important topic.
A recent topic discussed how to compose new tunes. I say, why bother, your time would be better spent just hunting out some of the great old tunes and bringing them back to life. After all the musical countryside is littered these days with countless C_ _ P new tunes which haven't a cat in hell's chance of ever being absorbed into the tradition cause they simply don't have what it takes - many of them churned out by the 'Boy Bands' of Irish Music!!
Well, I hope I've upset someone with this!!
A very wise man once said, If you go through life without upsetting anyone - then you quite simply weren't trying very hard.
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by Ptarmigan
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
"Boy Bands of Irish Music"? You're bitter. How about the semi- litterate of Irish Music, as "Harry's" should be "Harrys" without the apostrophe as the apostrophe denotes possesive tense and the word "lightning" has no letter e. Spelling and grammar people ( sorry, I'm bitter... ) But I agree; why not allow Bunting's collection. any detractors?
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by Farr
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Well shiver me timbers!!
There are some real tight arsed "bitter" pedants around, on this site these days, aren't there!!
I suppose I should have gone through 'Spellcheck' before submitting my letter, but, silly me, I thought this was just a friendly wee chat site!!
I hadn't realised the "Spell Mafia" were alive and well & hiding out at 'The Session'!!
Must watch my Ps & Qs from now on, but it kind of takes the fun out of it. Och, crap to the politically correct. Who cares! Maybe I'll just make my next entry in good old 'Ulster Scotch'!!
Bet that'll slow ye down, ya boy ye!!
I await your spelling & grammatical corrections with baited breath!
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by Ptarmigan
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Brilliant stuff that: a highly literal fellow harping on grammar and spelling that cannot even spell "literate" or "possessive".
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by Jode
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
A short trip to the chemists will buy a bottle of green stuff that'll take care of that breath problem, boyo.
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by Zina Lee
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
And it's D'oh. Not Dooh.
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by grego
(since you want to be like Homer Simpson, that is.)
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by grego
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
I think I heard during an interview that "D'oh!" was the sound that the actor came up with when the script called for a "surprised grunt" or some such.
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by Zina Lee
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Isn't it more of a frustrated grunt?
As opposed to "Mmmmmmmmrrrrrrrghhhh, Donuts!" which would be more of a surprised grunt.
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by grego
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Frustrated, maybe that was it.
"Mmmmmmm, donuts!" is more of an anticipatory grunt, surely? My favorite was, "mmmmmm, snouts..."
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by Zina Lee
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
So, just to bring this back on topic, I'd have to go with Space Travel.
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by grego
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
What? LOL
# Posted on August 9th 2005 by Zina Lee
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Does that mean I can use my teflon knickers joke (they were doing well until the bottom fell out of the market) in this thread as well?
You haven't upset me Ptarmigan so you're obviously not trying hard enough.
# Posted on August 10th 2005 by Geoff Pollitt
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Oh, Ptarmigan, while we're at all this Grammatically Correctness (should that be GC?) I suppose you'd better amend "Fleadh Competitions" to "Fleadhanna" otherwise the Gaeltacht-spellcheck-Gardai-na Politburo will be on your case very shortly indeed-io, boyo, as fast as you like me laddie.
# Posted on August 10th 2005 by Rudall the time
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Ptarmigan, I'll attempt to answer your original question: my understanding is that the current fleadh rules would accommodate any tune that Bunting collected. Those certainly should meet the "Traditional Irish Music" criterion, and most if not all would fall under one of the specifically allowed tune categories (slow or lively air, set dance, clan march, planxty, etc.).
I agree with you that the old tunes should be further explored by more people. Another treasure trove is the body of tunes collected by Petrie, Bunting's apprentice--Dover has reprinted both his "Complete Irish Music" as well as a volume of his tunes arranged for piano.
# Posted on August 10th 2005 by tedium
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Congrats on 3rd BTW.
In my case yr preaching to the choir so no offense here.
Apparently spelling is more offensive than ideas, which leads me to ask: Is that "ptarmigan "the bird or the cheese?
# Posted on August 10th 2005 by Owell Mabee
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
Boxorox - you got the close quote in the wrong place. This invalidates your question about the meaning of ptarmigan.
Please re-submit your request.
# Posted on August 10th 2005 by showaddydadito
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
I'd agree totally with Tedium that Edward Bunting's music is just a collection like O'Neill's or any other and will contain all sorts of traditional music most of which should present no problem in a Fleadh competition. I'm not familiar with the collection but I've been reliably informed that it contains many unusual tunes often used in Fleadh Grúpaí Cheoil competitions which, because of their rarity, have gained extra Brownie points from the adjudicators.
# Posted on August 10th 2005 by Bannerman
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
As usual, the side-tracks were much more entertaining than the serious answers, but thanks guys 'n gals, I enjoyed that.
Must go now & try & find some of that rare cheese!!
# Posted on August 10th 2005 by Ptarmigan
Re: Are Edward Bunting's Tunes accepted at Fleadh Competitions?
I think Bunting cake would make a lovely snack at fleadhs, esp around tea time. Don't see the problem.
# Posted on August 10th 2005 by emily_bmore