If the title of this thread Isn't an attension grabber I don't know what is. I want to start off by saying in no way is this thread a sexist /homofemale (is that the right word), argument , I like girls a lot . . .trouble is they don't like me , ie. over 50 growing fat and going bald.
Anyway, what I want to say is . . . because men in general ,on average, tend to bottle things up, you not what I mean , hide their feelings because they think is soft , and not manly, and so by playing music it helps us to release all our pent up emotions and so play more expressively.
Can men put more expression in their music, and make it sound better because of all their inihbitions and emotional hang ups?
I know speaking from personal experence . . . I'm a man you know ! If it wasn't for my music, well . . . i'd just fall into a black hole never to be seen again. It definetely helps keep me sane . . . well sort of.
Well now! (*clearing my throat for a log-winded scientific soliloquy*) Though it is a clinically proven fact that women have more neuroelectric connections between the communication centers of the brain, and therefore have an easier time expressing emotions, playing music is an inherently *mechanical* skill. It is something you teach your body to do, and in this men and women are fairly equal (since it doesn't require much physical strength.) We may approach it differently but in the end our human fingers are only doing what our human brains insist upon. I'm going to say "in conclusion" (despite the fact I have proven nothing, and only because I want to go to the fridge for another beer and sit outside in the balmy evening), a woman might play with the neurological intention of expressing an emotion (ie "I am broken-hearted", "I am filled with joy", or "I could really go for a tortilla right now") and a man might play with a toally linear, logical mentality (ie. "first I put my fingers here, then here, and then I do this, furrow my brow in concentration, and emulate that guy I heard on the Celtic show on my local radio station") the mechanical phenomenon resulting from all this mental activity is identical, therefore I don't believe either gender has an unfair advantage. Now for the beer...
By the way, as for the "bottled up emotions = musical prowess" idea, I am all for that, but I don't believe the pent-up-emotions-venting-as-creativity phenomenon is gender specific.
Right then fiddler vermouth , how come 99% of composers past and present were or are men? You name me a female classical composer of the past ? I've just had a skinful of beer . .
C'mon, stew name me five *male* composers of *ITM* from "the past" (ie. no longer living). We don't know *who* wrote these things. That's the whole point. As for the present, Brenda Stubbert, Liz Carrol... Classical music is not what we come here to talk about.
Stewpot - I think there are other reasons why we don't hear of many female composers from the past. We must remember that, until relatively recently in Ireland, women did not spend much time away from their houses, and those that did play music would probably not have been heard by anyone other than their immediate family and closest riends. Elizabeth Crotty, a publican in Kilrush, Clare, was among the first women in Ireland to play in public, in the 1920s.
If we delve deep enough into history, we find, here and there, prolific women composers - e.g. Hildegard of Bingen, Clara Schumann - but these broke the social mould of their day. These two particular examples were perhaps somewhat excused of the social stigma, the former by being a nun and composing devotional songs, the latter by being the wife of a composer.
Incidentally, the reel, The Perthshire Hunt, sometimes known in Ireland as The Boyne Hunt, was composed by a woman (whose name I forget), in the 18th Century, in Scotland.
In general, men seem to display a stronger desire to 'make a point' with their playing, so there are a greater number of strongly individualistic players among men. But there are many exceptions - to add to Vermouth's list, Eileen Ivers, Sharon Shannon, Siobhan Peoples, Joanie Madden...
Better stop there, or I'll be letting the side down.
Hmmm. If pent up emotions equalled musical or creative prowess, then my Dad would be like the next Martin Hayes. Except that he doesn't play the fiddle or give a sh*t about our music.
Anyway, I know quite a few women with pent up emotions and quite a few men who express themselves very well. so that theory doesn't hold water. People are individuals, there are so many factors and variables.
Some people express themselves best verbally, some through visual arts, some through music.
And remember, women were pretty much not even allowed to play music in medieval and renaissance times. Women were burned at the stake for less than putting their lips to a flute.
I think it all depends on the person and I agree with what Andee says I am a man (well young man anyway) and I tend to use music as my outlet to express my feelings it is a lot more natural to me to play some thing than to say it damn I am just so musical not trying to brag there it is the truth music is my life.
Hey Fiddler I got one male composer of ITM you guys really should have seen this coming O'Carolan like duh if not one of the most important composers of ITM well in my opinion anyway but I'm sure you guys play O'Carolan pieces all the time I will leave it at that. What I am trying to do is say that gender is just well gender not much to it you have an equall oportunity either way.
Another theory is that pent up emotions tend to express themselves in family and street violence. Taking a look around I hate to admit that it seems much more viable.
Andee's right - you cannot compare men to women before, say, mid-20th century. The conditions were different.
The best fiddler I know (and he IS good, believe me) is not constrained at all with his emotions, the same goes for the best bass player. On the other hand, a flute player is, while percussionist is just plain insane. Clarinet player, a pure genius, seems laid back but holds some complexes, while accordionist is a pure b***ard who should be torn by negative emotions about himself, but he isn't. Cannot find a rule there
Hm, the weather's so nice. I think I'll go outside and have a go at my favourite set rather than think about issues which are too complicated for my small brain. Jack, stop taking notes and get down to some playin' would ya?
BTW, Vermouth, just to bat for my own side for a moment, here are 5 deceased male composers of traditional music:
Paddy O'Brien, Ed Reavy, Junior Crehan, Vincent Broderick, The Rev. Jackson (C18th Anglican minister and piper, to whom many of the "Jackson's" tunes are attributed).
Actually, that was harder than I thought it would be.
Ok.... First off the reason why there isn't a lot of female composers has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with their physical self.
1. Instruments were expensive. Fiddles and other sorts were passed down to the sons.
2. Women were not supposed to be in bars. It was not considered womanly. Music was a social thing, and a women who would of sat and played music all night were probably considered lazy.
3. Women's work in the past and present isn't valued. If you don't believe me, list one mother you know who gets payed. If you think that is an extreme comment, reflect on who gets hired most as teachers and guest speakers at festivals.
Now that we got the historical stuff out of the way, both men and women are expresssive players. End of story. Women are not inept and men are not made of stone. If you really feel that there is a difference, get one of your friends to play you music from an unknown (to you) composer or musician. Here's another way to look at it, if you had a sex change would you be more expressive player? Is hormonal therapy the steroids of the music world. Of course not, don't be ridiculous.
I've heard, listened to, and played music with shedloads of female musicians and I think they are every bit as expressive (if not more so) than the guys.
"if you had a sex change would you be more expressive player?"
Having a sex-change would surely change many things about you (other than the obvious), including the way you play. After all, if you had spent your whole life believing you were a woman in a man's body or vice versa, suddenly having the right body would make you more at ease with yourself, thus giving you quite a different set of emotions to express. Furthermore, perhaps a musician who is physically male, but feels like a woman (I shall make no attempt at a definition of 'feeling like a woman', since, I have never been one), would in fact play like a woman. Perhaps a gay man plays differently from a straight man, a lesbian plays differently from a straight woman and a donkey plays differently from a horse.
I do believe that, broadly speaking, men and women, in some indefinable way, play differently from one another. This is no doubt due to a combination of factors, such as hormones, physical build, social conditioning, length of fingernails (Sorry, is that a bit cheeky?) etc.
In fact, with all due respect to Stewpot, it's a ridiculous question, and he knows it - and we were all stupid enough to fall for it. But wouldn't the world be a dull place if we weren't?
My simple answer is, men express being men and women express being women. Everybody knows we don't understand each other, so why should we be able to understand each other's music. How many straight men do you know that go weak at the knees when they hear Daniel O'Donnell?
Last Saturday, two rival gangs had a shoot-out on the streets of Dublin. The police were called, and many arrests were made, and guns were confiscated. The battle had been so furious that out of twenty guns confiscated, only two had bullets left in them, one bullet in each.
The following day the newspapers carried the headline, "Daniel O'Donnell Shot Twice".
I new I'd cause a bit of a stink , but honest it wasn't mean't to be a sexist observation, or a matter of total fact. Perhaps it was just the way I am feeling emotionaly at this time . . . the wife , the kids , life in general. I'm finding the problems I'm having in my social life have been . . are being, re-expressed and eleviated by my love of playing music .
Stewpot, I agree with FonV that here's not the place to talk about classical music but if you're interested, here's a fairly comprehensive web page listing (this is just baroque & earlier, doesn't cover the Clara Schumanns, Fanny Mendelssohns or any of the later composers):
It's also worth noting that many women composers (Fanny Hensel Mendelssohn being one of them) were "hidden" by the fact that their families sometimes strongly discouraged them from publishing their works, expecially under their own names. Sometimes they never published at all and other times they published under nom de plumes or the names of male relatives.
As far as the men vs women thing is concerned, I'm reminded of words of wisdom I read once in response to a question on what sound qualities you could expect from recorders made of different timbers. The answer was that while you can generally state that different timbers have different sound qualities, you will frequently find two instruments of the same timber that sound more different that two instruments of different timber i.e. you can expect greater variances between individual members of a group than there are between the overall groups themselves. I think this is analogous to the men-women issue - individual men and individual women will vary more in their playing styles than will Manhood vs Womanhood, so in the end, the idea of an overall difference probably isn't very useful. My tuppence-ha'penny.
The piccies on the web site are 'after' ones bc_box. The opperation changed me from a male into a lesbian. The plus side is that I can play more expressively now, but the down side is that I lost my sense of humor.
Hey Jack, now I *really do understand* the phrase "Goddamn your eyes"!!!! Navigating your website is quite funny for the first 10 seconds, having just read the "FBI" message, but it gets a pain in the a*** after that. Just some constructive criticism, you understand.
Aw stewpot... tsk tsk tsk... boy, you really cut me low there. You might have misinterpreted my first response as an attack on you personally, or your thread maybe. And if you did, I'm sorry. All I was doing was having a bit of fun with it, as bc_box_player will attest. No need to start a flame war or anything like that -- because I'm not interested. I think it's pretty clear to everyone here that people tend to heve some fun here and there with these threads... no harm intended.
Hey Jim, concerning my website; the eyes are only on the first page. Most people move on to the other pages after they read the bit that's on the first page and the eyes are nowhere to be seen after that. Those eyes tend to filter right-wingers from visiting the website or bothering me... works great I might add. Thanks for the constructive criticism though.
Yeah, I had thought the FBI thing was for real, and I didn't even make the connection with the eyes at all. Just thought they were there 'cause they were cute or something. Now I get it.
It's a sight gag really... it's ok Andee. Don't worry, a couple of people sent me urgent emails or told me at the sesh about how the FBI is doing surveillance on my sight. Then when they found out what I did they had a good laugh... and then slugged me. hahahaha
I've never seen or heard anything remotely approaching what Oscar Shumsky did (in terms of communicated expression and emotion) to the Bach Sonatas and Partitas.
...Oscar Shumsky.....when trying to console a "poor" student who was unhappy about the quality of his fiddle, picked up the instrument and played it. He made it sound so good that the student went away happy, and with a life-long resolve to practise hard and get good. There's a lesson there for every musician.
Hi! Have been too busy playing, and just catching up on threads...is this one for real?
Forget composers, anyone ever come across Julia Clifford? Forget her male sibling; in her own right, one of the greats of ITM!
Aggie White, Morrison, Barry, the list is endless, top drawer musos who held their own, anywhere. What Carroll, Ivers, Madden, Shannon et al are doing is extending the incredible heritage.
Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
If the title of this thread Isn't an attension grabber I don't know what is. I want to start off by saying in no way is this thread a sexist /homofemale (is that the right word), argument , I like girls a lot . . .trouble is they don't like me , ie. over 50 growing fat and going bald.
Anyway, what I want to say is . . . because men in general ,on average, tend to bottle things up, you not what I mean , hide their feelings because they think is soft , and not manly, and so by playing music it helps us to release all our pent up emotions and so play more expressively.
Can men put more expression in their music, and make it sound better because of all their inihbitions and emotional hang ups?
I know speaking from personal experence . . . I'm a man you know ! If it wasn't for my music, well . . . i'd just fall into a black hole never to be seen again. It definetely helps keep me sane . . . well sort of.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Justintime
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
(takes out pencil and paper to make notes) uh huh... go on. (sets clock for $200.00 per hour)
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Well now! (*clearing my throat for a log-winded scientific soliloquy*) Though it is a clinically proven fact that women have more neuroelectric connections between the communication centers of the brain, and therefore have an easier time expressing emotions, playing music is an inherently *mechanical* skill. It is something you teach your body to do, and in this men and women are fairly equal (since it doesn't require much physical strength.) We may approach it differently but in the end our human fingers are only doing what our human brains insist upon. I'm going to say "in conclusion" (despite the fact I have proven nothing, and only because I want to go to the fridge for another beer and sit outside in the balmy evening), a woman might play with the neurological intention of expressing an emotion (ie "I am broken-hearted", "I am filled with joy", or "I could really go for a tortilla right now") and a man might play with a toally linear, logical mentality (ie. "first I put my fingers here, then here, and then I do this, furrow my brow in concentration, and emulate that guy I heard on the Celtic show on my local radio station") the mechanical phenomenon resulting from all this mental activity is identical, therefore I don't believe either gender has an unfair advantage. Now for the beer...
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Kerri Brown
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Sounds like you don't think much to my suggestion then Jack?
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Justintime
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
By the way, as for the "bottled up emotions = musical prowess" idea, I am all for that, but I don't believe the pent-up-emotions-venting-as-creativity phenomenon is gender specific.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Kerri Brown
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Right then fiddler vermouth , how come 99% of composers past and present were or are men? You name me a female classical composer of the past ? I've just had a skinful of beer . .
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Justintime
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
I'm not talking about technical ability . . .I'm talking about feeling.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Justintime
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
C'mon, stew name me five *male* composers of *ITM* from "the past" (ie. no longer living). We don't know *who* wrote these things. That's the whole point. As for the present, Brenda Stubbert, Liz Carrol... Classical music is not what we come here to talk about.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Kerri Brown
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Stewpot - I think there are other reasons why we don't hear of many female composers from the past. We must remember that, until relatively recently in Ireland, women did not spend much time away from their houses, and those that did play music would probably not have been heard by anyone other than their immediate family and closest riends. Elizabeth Crotty, a publican in Kilrush, Clare, was among the first women in Ireland to play in public, in the 1920s.
If we delve deep enough into history, we find, here and there, prolific women composers - e.g. Hildegard of Bingen, Clara Schumann - but these broke the social mould of their day. These two particular examples were perhaps somewhat excused of the social stigma, the former by being a nun and composing devotional songs, the latter by being the wife of a composer.
Incidentally, the reel, The Perthshire Hunt, sometimes known in Ireland as The Boyne Hunt, was composed by a woman (whose name I forget), in the 18th Century, in Scotland.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
(looks up from notepad) Why do you say that Stewpot?
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
What is 'expressive' anyway?
In general, men seem to display a stronger desire to 'make a point' with their playing, so there are a greater number of strongly individualistic players among men. But there are many exceptions - to add to Vermouth's list, Eileen Ivers, Sharon Shannon, Siobhan Peoples, Joanie Madden...
Better stop there, or I'll be letting the side down.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Thanks, me boys, I'd hate to let Stew think I was biased because of my gender!
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Kerri Brown
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Hmmm. If pent up emotions equalled musical or creative prowess, then my Dad would be like the next Martin Hayes. Except that he doesn't play the fiddle or give a sh*t about our music.
Anyway, I know quite a few women with pent up emotions and quite a few men who express themselves very well. so that theory doesn't hold water. People are individuals, there are so many factors and variables.
Some people express themselves best verbally, some through visual arts, some through music.
And remember, women were pretty much not even allowed to play music in medieval and renaissance times. Women were burned at the stake for less than putting their lips to a flute.
.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Andee
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
I think it all depends on the person and I agree with what Andee says I am a man (well young man anyway) and I tend to use music as my outlet to express my feelings it is a lot more natural to me to play some thing than to say it damn I am just so musical not trying to brag there it is the truth music is my life.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Why Bother?
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
(continues taking notes and thinking about all the billable hours adding up)
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Hey Fiddler I got one male composer of ITM you guys really should have seen this coming O'Carolan like duh if not one of the most important composers of ITM well in my opinion anyway but I'm sure you guys play O'Carolan pieces all the time I will leave it at that. What I am trying to do is say that gender is just well gender not much to it you have an equall oportunity either way.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Why Bother?
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
If you prefer O'Carolan tunes.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Why Bother?
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Another theory is that pent up emotions tend to express themselves in family and street violence. Taking a look around I hate to admit that it seems much more viable.
Andee's right - you cannot compare men to women before, say, mid-20th century. The conditions were different.
The best fiddler I know (and he IS good, believe me) is not constrained at all with his emotions, the same goes for the best bass player. On the other hand, a flute player is, while percussionist is just plain insane. Clarinet player, a pure genius, seems laid back but holds some complexes, while accordionist is a pure b***ard who should be torn by negative emotions about himself, but he isn't. Cannot find a rule there
Hm, the weather's so nice. I think I'll go outside and have a go at my favourite set rather than think about issues which are too complicated for my small brain. Jack, stop taking notes and get down to some playin' would ya?
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by Janek
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
BTW, Vermouth, just to bat for my own side for a moment, here are 5 deceased male composers of traditional music:
Paddy O'Brien, Ed Reavy, Junior Crehan, Vincent Broderick, The Rev. Jackson (C18th Anglican minister and piper, to whom many of the "Jackson's" tunes are attributed).
Actually, that was harder than I thought it would be.
# Posted on April 30th 2004 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Ok.... First off the reason why there isn't a lot of female composers has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with their physical self.
1. Instruments were expensive. Fiddles and other sorts were passed down to the sons.
2. Women were not supposed to be in bars. It was not considered womanly. Music was a social thing, and a women who would of sat and played music all night were probably considered lazy.
3. Women's work in the past and present isn't valued. If you don't believe me, list one mother you know who gets payed. If you think that is an extreme comment, reflect on who gets hired most as teachers and guest speakers at festivals.
Now that we got the historical stuff out of the way, both men and women are expresssive players. End of story. Women are not inept and men are not made of stone. If you really feel that there is a difference, get one of your friends to play you music from an unknown (to you) composer or musician. Here's another way to look at it, if you had a sex change would you be more expressive player? Is hormonal therapy the steroids of the music world. Of course not, don't be ridiculous.
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by Maple
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
I've heard, listened to, and played music with shedloads of female musicians and I think they are every bit as expressive (if not more so) than the guys.
Sorry Stewpot and all the other geezers.
Jim
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by Worldfiddler
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
"if you had a sex change would you be more expressive player?"
Having a sex-change would surely change many things about you (other than the obvious), including the way you play. After all, if you had spent your whole life believing you were a woman in a man's body or vice versa, suddenly having the right body would make you more at ease with yourself, thus giving you quite a different set of emotions to express. Furthermore, perhaps a musician who is physically male, but feels like a woman (I shall make no attempt at a definition of 'feeling like a woman', since, I have never been one), would in fact play like a woman. Perhaps a gay man plays differently from a straight man, a lesbian plays differently from a straight woman and a donkey plays differently from a horse.
I do believe that, broadly speaking, men and women, in some indefinable way, play differently from one another. This is no doubt due to a combination of factors, such as hormones, physical build, social conditioning, length of fingernails (Sorry, is that a bit cheeky?) etc.
In fact, with all due respect to Stewpot, it's a ridiculous question, and he knows it - and we were all stupid enough to fall for it. But wouldn't the world be a dull place if we weren't?
My simple answer is, men express being men and women express being women. Everybody knows we don't understand each other, so why should we be able to understand each other's music. How many straight men do you know that go weak at the knees when they hear Daniel O'Donnell?
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Last Saturday, two rival gangs had a shoot-out on the streets of Dublin. The police were called, and many arrests were made, and guns were confiscated. The battle had been so furious that out of twenty guns confiscated, only two had bullets left in them, one bullet in each.
The following day the newspapers carried the headline, "Daniel O'Donnell Shot Twice".
Jim
(Off-topic I know, but what the hell!)
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by Worldfiddler
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
I play a lot more expressively since my sex change opperation now that you mention it.
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Hey Stewpot, speaking of female classical composers, ever hear of Clara Schumann?
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by print o' the wave
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Oops, I guess I should read the posts more carefully!
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by print o' the wave
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
I new I'd cause a bit of a stink , but honest it wasn't mean't to be a sexist observation, or a matter of total fact. Perhaps it was just the way I am feeling emotionaly at this time . . . the wife , the kids , life in general. I'm finding the problems I'm having in my social life have been . . are being, re-expressed and eleviated by my love of playing music .
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by Justintime
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Jack,
Are those pictures on your website before or after the change?
I they're after, I can feel some litigation a-brewin'.
Eno
P.S. Thanks for the first response in this thread - the first time I've laughed out loud all day.
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by bc_box_player
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
If you're passionate about the music you play, you'll express that in your music, gender not withstanding.
Cheers
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by Ptollemy
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Stewpot, I agree with FonV that here's not the place to talk about classical music but if you're interested, here's a fairly comprehensive web page listing (this is just baroque & earlier, doesn't cover the Clara Schumanns, Fanny Mendelssohns or any of the later composers):
http://150.252.8.92/www/iawm/pages/EMWomen.html
It's also worth noting that many women composers (Fanny Hensel Mendelssohn being one of them) were "hidden" by the fact that their families sometimes strongly discouraged them from publishing their works, expecially under their own names. Sometimes they never published at all and other times they published under nom de plumes or the names of male relatives.
As far as the men vs women thing is concerned, I'm reminded of words of wisdom I read once in response to a question on what sound qualities you could expect from recorders made of different timbers. The answer was that while you can generally state that different timbers have different sound qualities, you will frequently find two instruments of the same timber that sound more different that two instruments of different timber i.e. you can expect greater variances between individual members of a group than there are between the overall groups themselves. I think this is analogous to the men-women issue - individual men and individual women will vary more in their playing styles than will Manhood vs Womanhood, so in the end, the idea of an overall difference probably isn't very useful. My tuppence-ha'penny.
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by Tish
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
LOL Jack - heh heh
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by deblittle
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
The piccies on the web site are 'after' ones bc_box. The opperation changed me from a male into a lesbian. The plus side is that I can play more expressively now, but the down side is that I lost my sense of humor.
# Posted on May 1st 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Your sense of humor probably equates to a lot less than 6 inches.
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Justintime
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Hey Jack, now I *really do understand* the phrase "Goddamn your eyes"!!!!
Navigating your website is quite funny for the first 10 seconds, having just read the "FBI" message, but it gets a pain in the a*** after that. Just some constructive criticism, you understand.
Jim
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Worldfiddler
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Aw stewpot... tsk tsk tsk... boy, you really cut me low there. You might have misinterpreted my first response as an attack on you personally, or your thread maybe. And if you did, I'm sorry. All I was doing was having a bit of fun with it, as bc_box_player will attest. No need to start a flame war or anything like that -- because I'm not interested. I think it's pretty clear to everyone here that people tend to heve some fun here and there with these threads... no harm intended.
Hey Jim, concerning my website; the eyes are only on the first page. Most people move on to the other pages after they read the bit that's on the first page and the eyes are nowhere to be seen after that. Those eyes tend to filter right-wingers from visiting the website or bothering me... works great I might add. Thanks for the constructive criticism though.
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
OK Jack , sorry I was just trying to be a bit of a smart arse.
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Justintime
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Yeah, I had thought the FBI thing was for real, and I didn't even make the connection with the eyes at all. Just thought they were there 'cause they were cute or something. Now I get it.
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Andee
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
It's a sight gag really... it's ok Andee. Don't worry, a couple of people sent me urgent emails or told me at the sesh about how the FBI is doing surveillance on my sight. Then when they found out what I did they had a good laugh... and then slugged me. hahahaha
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
i find that i'm most expressive when i play freudian slip jigs
[hit laughing track button now!]
btw, jack, great site! those eyes give me the creeps...
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Brendan
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Geep-ers creep-ers... where'd ya get those peep-ers...
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
The eyes are brilliant. You can make them cross-eyed but it's impossible to keep them in that position.
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Dr. Dow
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
I've never seen or heard anything remotely approaching what Oscar Shumsky did (in terms of communicated expression and emotion) to the Bach Sonatas and Partitas.
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Jamie
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
"A *sight* gag" Ha Ha!
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Andee
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
...Oscar Shumsky.....when trying to console a "poor" student who was unhappy about the quality of his fiddle, picked up the instrument and played it. He made it sound so good that the student went away happy, and with a life-long resolve to practise hard and get good. There's a lesson there for every musician.
Jim
# Posted on May 2nd 2004 by Worldfiddler
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
The gender is totally irrelevant - can you tell the difference on a blind testing?
Tell that to the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra.
# Posted on May 3rd 2004 by geoffwright
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
I can tell the difference in a blind taste test.
# Posted on May 3rd 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Oh, the eyes! Jack, that's hilarious! I'm back from a lovely musical weekend and happy to see this thread has strayed way off topic. Well done!
# Posted on May 3rd 2004 by Kerri Brown
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
By the way Tish, thanks for the link. Very informative and comprehensive site. I'm going to check some of that stuff out.
Kerri
# Posted on May 3rd 2004 by Kerri Brown
Eyes?
I didn't see the eyes everybody is talking about, but the floating boobs that follow the mouse pointer are funny, Jack!
# Posted on May 3rd 2004 by glauber
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
(takes out pencil and paper to make notes) uh huh... go on glauber. (sets clock again for $200.00 per hour)
# Posted on May 3rd 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Hi! Have been too busy playing, and just catching up on threads...is this one for real?
Forget composers, anyone ever come across Julia Clifford? Forget her male sibling; in her own right, one of the greats of ITM!
Aggie White, Morrison, Barry, the list is endless, top drawer musos who held their own, anywhere. What Carroll, Ivers, Madden, Shannon et al are doing is extending the incredible heritage.
Maybe I've missed a joke somewhere?
Bx
# Posted on May 3rd 2004 by briantheflute
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Without any shadow of a doubt men are more expressive than women and vice versa.
How much have you earned so far Jack??
# Posted on May 3rd 2004 by breandan
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
I think I'm going to make as much money as I did the time I copyrighted the screen name "Guest" in a chat room I used to frequent.
# Posted on May 4th 2004 by Phantom Button
Re: Men V Women who's the most expressive player.
Men lol
# Posted on May 9th 2004 by andrewtaylor27