left hand pizzicato. peeyar diificult to do at high speeds. i find it's easier if you just do it sporadically without actually trying too hard. zen fiddle playing or what.
There's that very percussive ornament that Tommy Peoples is famous for. I'm not quite sure how he does it but it may be something to with a controlled bounce or flick of the bow. However it's done, he seems to be producing two or three notes at the rate of about 22 per second. Unlike most tricky techniques I suspect that this may be one that is very difficult or impossible to practice slowly.
A funky ornament I've started using in "Old Mother Flanagan" is in the first two 1/8th notes (g2 gg) where I put a fast slide into each 1/8 note, and in a couple of similar instances later on in the tune. At speed in that particular tune it gives a drunken effect. Wouldn't be suitable for most tunes of course.
Regarding the "5-note triplet", Paul McNevin has this to say in his "Complete Guide to Learning the Irish Fiddle":
"A triplet whose three notes are of the saem pitch and are bowed separately is known as a treble. When trebling, the emphasis is on the rhythm created rather than on the notes being played. A small number of fiddlers employ what they call a 'double treble', a group of five separately bowed notes. It is very difficult to perform, requiring a double flick of the bow hand. It is generally restricted to hornpipes or slow reels ..... Trebling is sometimes done in jigs also, emphasising a solid off-bear rhythm as in the 6/8 bar FA/2A/2A dA/2A/2A."
Lots and lots of very slow practice is clearly indicated, whether you're into normal trebles or the virtuoso 5-note variety.
Trevor
We had an odd quote from President Blair at the weekend saying that military intelligence was not "hard fact". (But hard enough fact to warrant an invasion)
Someone asked Tommy P. about that ornament at a workshop I went to- I think he probably gets tired of that question - he doesn't seem one to analyze . Quote - "...Certainly not with the bow."
Donal Lunny showed me how Tommy Peoples did the flick of the bow, when we supported the Bothy Band in 1978 (Tommy had left by then and Kevin Burke was legless in the dressing room), and I have been using it ever since.
I liken it to a vertical triplet; the effect is like a percussive bounce and if you do it simultaneously with a bowed (horizontal) triplet it sounds really good when you get it right. I use the finger next to the little finger...does that one have a name.. to flick the bow. Trevor is right, it is impossible to practice slowly as it is the speed which creates the effect.
A five-note "triplet" should be a quinlet or quinn ...a good Irish name.
According to a friend who takes regular lessons from Mr. Peoples, he doesn't use the finger for that flick anymore -- purportedly, he can do the damned thing without the flick now. (Geoff -- you mean...the ring finger?)
When you're working on virtuoso bowing techniques (like Tommy Peoples'), one thing is certain - you need a good bow and you need to know in detail how that particular bow behaves.
Trevor
yea tommy does his funky triplet with his little finger....i can do triplets starting on a down bow and an up bow and im working on the peoples thingummy...im just lucking for summat really cool to add to my playing...cheers for the info on the 5 note triplet tho..ill give it a shot.
ornamentation
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Anyone know of any funky ornamentation for the fiddle?...I've heard of a 5-note triplet but find it impossible to do.
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by Choonz
Re: ornamentation
left hand pizzicato. peeyar diificult to do at high speeds. i find it's easier if you just do it sporadically without actually trying too hard. zen fiddle playing or what.
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by NickPhelan
Re: ornamentation
"Five note triplet"...does anybody else think that sounds a lot like "military intelligence" or "jumbo shrimp"?
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by Zina Lee
Re: ornamentation
Smart blonde?
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by emily_bmore
Re: ornamentation
Heh. Nobody else better touch that, or Emily will come and get you...
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by Zina Lee
Re: ornamentation
Microsoft Works?
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by Pontus Adefjord
Re: ornamentation
"military intelligence"? Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Or am I thinking of "political intelligence"? Or does it indeed matter?
Trevor
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by Trevor Jennings
Re: ornamentation
There's that very percussive ornament that Tommy Peoples is famous for. I'm not quite sure how he does it but it may be something to with a controlled bounce or flick of the bow. However it's done, he seems to be producing two or three notes at the rate of about 22 per second. Unlike most tricky techniques I suspect that this may be one that is very difficult or impossible to practice slowly.
A funky ornament I've started using in "Old Mother Flanagan" is in the first two 1/8th notes (g2 gg) where I put a fast slide into each 1/8 note, and in a couple of similar instances later on in the tune. At speed in that particular tune it gives a drunken effect. Wouldn't be suitable for most tunes of course.
Regarding the "5-note triplet", Paul McNevin has this to say in his "Complete Guide to Learning the Irish Fiddle":
"A triplet whose three notes are of the saem pitch and are bowed separately is known as a treble. When trebling, the emphasis is on the rhythm created rather than on the notes being played. A small number of fiddlers employ what they call a 'double treble', a group of five separately bowed notes. It is very difficult to perform, requiring a double flick of the bow hand. It is generally restricted to hornpipes or slow reels ..... Trebling is sometimes done in jigs also, emphasising a solid off-bear rhythm as in the 6/8 bar FA/2A/2A dA/2A/2A."
Lots and lots of very slow practice is clearly indicated, whether you're into normal trebles or the virtuoso 5-note variety.
Trevor
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by Trevor Jennings
Re: ornamentation
Oops I meant 'smart bomb.' ;)
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by emily_bmore
Re: ornamentation
Great Depression?
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by GaryAMartin
Re: ornamentation
oops! I should have typed "off-beat" and not "off-bear"
Trevor
# Posted on March 7th 2004 by Trevor Jennings
Re: weapons of mass ornamentation
We had an odd quote from President Blair at the weekend saying that military intelligence was not "hard fact". (But hard enough fact to warrant an invasion)
# Posted on March 8th 2004 by geoffwright
Re: ornamentation
Someone asked Tommy P. about that ornament at a workshop I went to- I think he probably gets tired of that question - he doesn't seem one to analyze . Quote - "...Certainly not with the bow."
Jennifer
# Posted on March 8th 2004 by Jenthur
Re: ornamentation
Name dropping alert!
Donal Lunny showed me how Tommy Peoples did the flick of the bow, when we supported the Bothy Band in 1978 (Tommy had left by then and Kevin Burke was legless in the dressing room), and I have been using it ever since.
I liken it to a vertical triplet; the effect is like a percussive bounce and if you do it simultaneously with a bowed (horizontal) triplet it sounds really good when you get it right. I use the finger next to the little finger...does that one have a name.. to flick the bow. Trevor is right, it is impossible to practice slowly as it is the speed which creates the effect.
A five-note "triplet" should be a quinlet or quinn ...a good Irish name.
# Posted on March 8th 2004 by Geoff Pollitt
Re: ornamentation
A news reporter on the BBC a few weeks back said, over some recent issue, that the US Government had suffered from a complete lack of intelligence.
Hmm.
Dave
# Posted on March 8th 2004 by showaddydadito
Re: ornamentation
According to a friend who takes regular lessons from Mr. Peoples, he doesn't use the finger for that flick anymore -- purportedly, he can do the damned thing without the flick now. (Geoff -- you mean...the ring finger?)
# Posted on March 8th 2004 by Zina Lee
Re: ornamentation
When you're working on virtuoso bowing techniques (like Tommy Peoples'), one thing is certain - you need a good bow and you need to know in detail how that particular bow behaves.
Trevor
# Posted on March 8th 2004 by Trevor Jennings
Re: ornamentation
yea tommy does his funky triplet with his little finger....i can do triplets starting on a down bow and an up bow and im working on the peoples thingummy...im just lucking for summat really cool to add to my playing...cheers for the info on the 5 note triplet tho..ill give it a shot.
# Posted on March 8th 2004 by Choonz
Re: ornamentation
Did somebody call me?
Joe trip
# Posted on March 9th 2004 by Joe Quinn
Re: ornamentation
like a triplet and a vertical kind of triplet
# Posted on March 9th 2004 by pitnekit