I liked the beetle simile too. Suppose, though, the Island had been over run by pipers. That would be truly nightmarish. Try this: "Pipers would dot the landscape like hitmen."
Nearly reminds me of the press conference question in circa 1964 when John Lennon was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world and he answered that Ringo is not even the best drummer in the Beatles...
Oh! It has reminded me after all...
While the drummers are safely quarantined on the island, they are being rehabilitated for eventual release to the mainland ; or so we would like to think. How much of their time and energy might be spent in plotting? That's what I'd ask if it was whistlers being held in detention. Is this a voluntary retreat, or something?
This isn't Robin Island. It's doubtful that any of these detainees could turn out to be the future leader of a new, emergent Diddley, prowd and free. It'll be the fiddlers next month. you'll see. Pack only ONE bag, SWFL.
PROUD and free...Quite right, SWFL. They did this to drummers, and we did nothing to stop it. I'll make my move after the whistlers have been rounded up.
I wonder about the sessions, all those bodhranists need a melody instrument to play along with. Who on earth fancys being the lone fiddler or box player along with a room full of bodrans?
No disrespect to anyone in the video but what a bunch of feckin belters. I see the plan though......get all the belters onto one wee island at the same time and when you've collected them all......
' Many Bodhran makers are now off shore '
'It emulates the heart beat'
'The numerous Bodhran players make their way back to their natural habitat....the pub music session'
My God....It's the traditional music equivalent of 'The Day of the Triffids!!!!
Was going to ask this the other day: what does the collective wisdom here think of 'power bodhran'? i.e. Mark Maguire, JJ Kelly, Martin O'Neill etc.? Is it good to be taking the drum in those directions of is it harming the tradition?
This is the first I've heard mention of power bodhran. Can't give an opinion. Back to the clip, though: there is nothing in it, as far as this viewer could see, that would worry the Red Cross. The people all seem to be happy and healthy. Everyone looked to be well fed and properly clothed. No hard labor was shown; nor was there shown any punishment of any kind.
Not on your life! Films can be faked. Not necessarily by the BBC; But the BBC can be hoodwinked. It's happened. The insidiousness of it all is that those people went there of their own volition. The operators know better than to put everyone into orange jumpsuits, especially if there's an BBC film crew poking around.
Was going to ask this the other day: what does the collective wisdom here think of 'power bodhran'? i.e. Mark Maguire, JJ Kelly, Martin O'Neill etc.? Is it good to be taking the drum in those directions of is it harming the tradition?
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by ian stock
I have only heard of one of them. I don't know what "power" bodhran playing is but the one I know is mearly as good as me.
@2:05 "Someone of my limited musical ability can go along with other music you know and not make a complete full of myself. "
It's great this guy is doing something he likes, but this comment bugged me.
In orchestra, band, jazz, the many forms of rock and roll, and pretty much most music in general, the percussion is very important. Drums and the like are easy to learn, all you do is hit it right? Simple. Mastering it, well takes just as much (if not more) than many other instruments. It takes a lot of discipline, skill, practice and ability to be able to play with good rhythm and timing.
If that's what it's like in other music, the bodhran shouldn't be any different.
The first time a friend lent me his bodhran for me to play on, I made the mistake of calling it simple, and passed on some wisdom he got from a class he took,(paraphrased) "there is nothing simple about playing the bodhran".
Since then I've stuck to my fiddle, it's what I know best. I may eventually buy and learn bodhran, because I know it would be a lot of fun.
I'm all for the advancement of music and people learning new instruments. It's a great thing. I just hope that people approach it and treat it responsibly and with respect.
>>This is the first I've heard mention of power bodhran
That's not surprising since AFAIK it's the first time it's been used
It just struck me that those bodhran players in Deaf Shepherd/ Julie Fowlis' Band/ Flook and even Easy Club were/are all very clever, but they seem to be doing things that were never done conventionally.
I mean both with their playing, and what they are doing to the instrument - first tunable, then using brushes, now covered in tape etc...
More like a very compact rock drum kit (which one of the people on the film mentioned) Or are they just very good?
One stray mortar shell from the mainland during that festival could advance the course of trad music dramatically. Can we not tow the island out to sea...?
All those drummers, working and sweating in those stuffy classrooms, thumping away the hours, desperately trying to find meaning and significance from whacking at a bit of curved wood and goat hide with their little phallic symbols.
It all sound positively cult-sh to me -
where is the Inquisition when you need one?
... be afraid
... be afraid
http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/video/2010/sep/02/ireland-bodhran-drumming-school
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Ottery
Re: ... be afraid
I had noticed that on the Guardian today as I was procrastinating. I thought maybe I was hallucinating and it wasn't real.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by DrSilverSpear
Re: ... be afraid
nightmare
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by RichardB
Re: ... be afraid
Oh no! This is the worst thing ever!
... another bodhran discussion.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Ben Steen
Re: ... be afraid
Hee hee. I like the quote: "...drum players dot the landscape like beetles."
And now, another story from what must be a very slow news day: fried Guinness
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129595919
Bon appetit!
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Michele Sims
Re: ... be afraid
I'm sure that was the ghost of Frank Zappa with the toy dog on top of his goatskin...
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by yhaalhouse
Re: ... be afraid
Beetles? That's just begging for a pesticide joke.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: ... be afraid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7tG7keSe-0
If only...
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Seosamh Ui Sinan
Re: ... be afraid
I liked the beetle simile too. Suppose, though, the Island had been over run by pipers. That would be truly nightmarish. Try this: "Pipers would dot the landscape like hitmen."
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
Nearly reminds me of the press conference question in circa 1964 when John Lennon was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world and he answered that Ringo is not even the best drummer in the Beatles...
Oh! It has reminded me after all...
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by yhaalhouse
Re: ... be afraid
Please, what would be seriously more frightening is all those people would have been coming to your session without having taken the class. Yeesh.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by lawhistle
Re: ... be afraid
If our very own bodhran bliss isn't the Dean what sort of school could it be, anyway?
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/25427
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: ... be afraid
While the drummers are safely quarantined on the island, they are being rehabilitated for eventual release to the mainland ; or so we would like to think. How much of their time and energy might be spent in plotting? That's what I'd ask if it was whistlers being held in detention. Is this a voluntary retreat, or something?
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
Oh, I see, are you thinking we need to launch a rescue party?
Or perhaps the Puck Fair folks have organized this as some sort of plot to protect the goats?
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: ... be afraid
This isn't Robin Island. It's doubtful that any of these detainees could turn out to be the future leader of a new, emergent Diddley, prowd and free. It'll be the fiddlers next month. you'll see. Pack only ONE bag, SWFL.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
First they came for the bodhran players,
and I didn't speak up because...
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: ... be afraid
PROUD and free...Quite right, SWFL. They did this to drummers, and we did nothing to stop it. I'll make my move after the whistlers have been rounded up.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
The in between activities sessions must be really something
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by zippydw
Re: ... be afraid
I wonder about the sessions, all those bodhranists need a melody instrument to play along with. Who on earth fancys being the lone fiddler or box player along with a room full of bodrans?
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by cathycook
Re: ... be afraid
Not me. Let's kill the bastards and all the concertina players and banjo buggers too.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by The Rollicking Boy
Re: ... be afraid
It's been going on for years and the world hasn't split in half so nothing to get your nickers in a twist about.
All the best!
Peace,
Ed
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by ejsant
Re: ... be afraid
"... and the world hasn't split in half ..."
Who's to say what could happen when a certain critical mass of bodhran players is reached.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by johndsamuels
Re: ... be afraid
They probably use a CD.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by DrSilverSpear
Re: ... be afraid
Did y'all check out the pub session at the end of the video? Several melody players and about 50 bodhranistas.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: ... be afraid
No disrespect to anyone in the video but what a bunch of feckin belters. I see the plan though......get all the belters onto one wee island at the same time and when you've collected them all......
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by bogman
Re: ... be afraid
Then, round up the fluters.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
How many other islands off the Irish coast are there, that could be commandeered for this purpose?
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
Compulsory green martyrdom for all Diddley heads until they're cleaned up.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
' Many Bodhran makers are now off shore '
'It emulates the heart beat'
'The numerous Bodhran players make their way back to their natural habitat....the pub music session'
My God....It's the traditional music equivalent of 'The Day of the Triffids!!!!
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Free Reed
Re: ... be afraid
Was going to ask this the other day: what does the collective wisdom here think of 'power bodhran'? i.e. Mark Maguire, JJ Kelly, Martin O'Neill etc.? Is it good to be taking the drum in those directions of is it harming the tradition?
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by ian stock
Re: ... be afraid
At least here they are trying to teach them -The Rhythms - Right,,
Around here it's a bit of a,, Chuck and Chance It - lol....
jim,,,
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by FIDDLE4
Re: ... be afraid
This is the first I've heard mention of power bodhran. Can't give an opinion. Back to the clip, though: there is nothing in it, as far as this viewer could see, that would worry the Red Cross. The people all seem to be happy and healthy. Everyone looked to be well fed and properly clothed. No hard labor was shown; nor was there shown any punishment of any kind.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
Very good. I'll notify Amnesty International to stand down then.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: ... be afraid
Not on your life! Films can be faked. Not necessarily by the BBC; But the BBC can be hoodwinked. It's happened. The insidiousness of it all is that those people went there of their own volition. The operators know better than to put everyone into orange jumpsuits, especially if there's an BBC film crew poking around.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
Excuse me. The Guardian. Dunno their trustworthyness. Just don't happen to. Not my paper.
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: ... be afraid
Re: ... be afraid
Was going to ask this the other day: what does the collective wisdom here think of 'power bodhran'? i.e. Mark Maguire, JJ Kelly, Martin O'Neill etc.? Is it good to be taking the drum in those directions of is it harming the tradition?
# Posted on September 2nd 2010 by ian stock
I have only heard of one of them. I don't know what "power" bodhran playing is but the one I know is mearly as good as me.
Mind you he insists on playing bodhran solos.
Why?
# Posted on September 3rd 2010 by bodhran bliss
Re: ... be afraid
Isn't that when you play bodhran after drinking Powers?
# Posted on September 3rd 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: ... be afraid
@2:05 "Someone of my limited musical ability can go along with other music you know and not make a complete full of myself. "
It's great this guy is doing something he likes, but this comment bugged me.
In orchestra, band, jazz, the many forms of rock and roll, and pretty much most music in general, the percussion is very important. Drums and the like are easy to learn, all you do is hit it right? Simple. Mastering it, well takes just as much (if not more) than many other instruments. It takes a lot of discipline, skill, practice and ability to be able to play with good rhythm and timing.
If that's what it's like in other music, the bodhran shouldn't be any different.
The first time a friend lent me his bodhran for me to play on, I made the mistake of calling it simple, and passed on some wisdom he got from a class he took,(paraphrased) "there is nothing simple about playing the bodhran".
Since then I've stuck to my fiddle, it's what I know best. I may eventually buy and learn bodhran, because I know it would be a lot of fun.
I'm all for the advancement of music and people learning new instruments. It's a great thing. I just hope that people approach it and treat it responsibly and with respect.
# Posted on September 3rd 2010 by banshee misfortune
Re: ... be afraid
>>This is the first I've heard mention of power bodhran
That's not surprising since AFAIK it's the first time it's been used
It just struck me that those bodhran players in Deaf Shepherd/ Julie Fowlis' Band/ Flook and even Easy Club were/are all very clever, but they seem to be doing things that were never done conventionally.
I mean both with their playing, and what they are doing to the instrument - first tunable, then using brushes, now covered in tape etc...
More like a very compact rock drum kit (which one of the people on the film mentioned) Or are they just very good?
# Posted on September 3rd 2010 by ian stock
Re: ... be afraid
One stray mortar shell from the mainland during that festival could advance the course of trad music dramatically. Can we not tow the island out to sea...?
# Posted on September 3rd 2010 by iwerzon
Re: ... be afraid
Oh my.
All those drummers, working and sweating in those stuffy classrooms, thumping away the hours, desperately trying to find meaning and significance from whacking at a bit of curved wood and goat hide with their little phallic symbols.
It all sound positively cult-sh to me -
where is the Inquisition when you need one?
# Posted on September 3rd 2010 by Piece
Re: ... be afraid
Like buses: You wait all day for one to come along and then about a thousand of them turn up...
# Posted on September 3rd 2010 by Mark Harmer