ever noticed how time slows down when you're struggling through a set of tunes the first time you ever bring them out to a session (...or *do* you bring new tunes out to a session? maybe some people just follow the leader....baa-aa-aahh) ...and how the whole time of a session just seems to fly - even though you may *not*, at every moment, be enjoying yourself?
Just a fleeting few foraging random thoughts...
In troubleshooting these types of issues, I usually first start by getting a good look at the tribophysical waveform macro kinetic extrapolator. If your dilithium reservoir is full, then the extrapolator should be pulling energy directly from that. If the dilithium levels are not going down, and the extrapolator appears to be working correctly, then this is usually an issue with the flux capacitor. From there, well, it could be any number of things, but first go back and check the extrapolator and the reservoir.
Does danstein roll his eyes and stick his tongue out, like Einstein, when playing?
Excess or shortage of blood to the brain when doing this may be giving him blackouts, waking dreams and other things that might affect his perception of the passage of time.
I wonder if there's a time/space warp thing going on here, and the voice I can hear when I play my banjo (q.v.) is actually the sound of someone talking when Danny plays his flute.
Cool. A time travel thread. So ya think if we played all the tunes backwards really fast, we could go have a few tunes with the piper O'Farrell? I always wanted to meet that guy.
The tunes themselves are the only accurate way of keeping time. Atomic clocks and sundials are far too rigid to track times contractions and expansions as it arcs past the gravitas field of a good session.
Proof? Ever notice how time expands within a cranking reel so that you have all the time in the world to consider and choose among dozens of options for how to articulate the next note, even at 126 bpm? Time expansion. Yet when the marathon session rolls to its inevitable end the next day, you awaken to find that only a few mere hours have passed. Time contraction.
Wow Lonley, so your tellin me that we really did have some tunes with O'Farrell but the time was so cotnracted that we don't remember anything? Damn......
There's been many a time when I've sat with a tune to practice it over and over say at 5pm after work. The next thing I know It's 3 in the morning and I've not left my chair. It feels like I've only been sitting there a short while. The pipes seem to put me in a trance. Does this happen to anyone else or am I just really loopy. For real!
The tunes actually seem to get lighter the faster they go -defying the theory of relatunity...
But my internal clock is keeping accurate time of how long we've been playing a tune. So when a tune is played fast, it often gets played more times, which actually means it takes *longer*
"...we can now glimpse the future of our tunes, and what we'll play with what, and what will be the time to play them, for we now have stacks of time..."
"...if time is a dimension, it is disturbed by these hyphenated pauses and by the way that jigs and reels are played in different times at different times. It is totally confused by slides and polkas..."
"The Mountain Road", Last Night's Fun by Cairan Carson
Wow Boatpiper you actually learn a tune from 5pm till 3am???
I mean sh*t that's dedication if you soley commit that time to one tune.
I mean 10 hours even with breaks no matter how good the tune seems like overkill. Don't get me wrong if that's what you do then i admire (maybe even envy your free time).
I find myself after an hour or so heading off on a tangent when learning new tunes like i'd say we all do.
You know you're slowly learning a piece getting your head round it thinking you've nailed it then you muddle up big time so what do we all do in revenge and defence of our fingers?
you just rip into the fastest tune you can play at speed as if to say
"sod you tricky tune this is what i can do, huh i don't need you in my repertoire"
Anyhow on time travel get this:
If anyone of you good people on this forum were to play your instrument aboard a ship/capsule what ever that was capable of light speed yeah?
Now you play your instument aboard the machine then it takes off and reaches light speed (yes this acceleration would make you look like a razor blade but just imagine)
Now i the observer am staionary on the ground and i've got this remarkably powerful telescope that can track your movement through space i'm watching through the window of your craft and you're playing your instrument while you travel at light speed.
Think of planes realy far away in the sky look like they are travelling realy slow but we know they are not.
To me you look like you are "frozen" in time, if you've decided to play say Drowsie Maggie which starts on E then that's what i'll see you stuck on the E note like a waxwork.
Even if i leave my telescope and come back weeks later and was still able to focus in on your light speed journey you would still be "frozen" in time on that E note.
The crazy thing is to you your journey would be normal and you would have played Drowsie Maggie in your craft oblivious and time would have passed as normal to yourself.
Only when you returned to earth i would have been about say 25 years older depending, have learnt more tunes and you would have just finished playing Drowsie Maggie.
Now i'm going to play the lottery.
Yeah upmine3. I do sometimes go for 10 hrs. I take tunes and break them into little pieces and play them super slow, turn them into airs, swap the parts around and experiment with any goofy piping doodaa I think might fit. Then slowly speed it back up. Then slow it way down even more than the first time. Kinda makes one tune seem like a hundred. At times I'll just hang on one note to experiment with tone color and bag pressure vibe and note presentation, I completely forget about the time of day. The tune just absorbes it. Of course for session playing I gotta keepem straighter than my crazy experiments. Lately I've been doing alot of solo playing.
upmine3 that's a good description of an effect of *Special* Relativity, not General. Any chance you could explain your understanding of how all that actually works? I'd be interested.
Boatpiper
Respect. I lose whole days on the banjo. I know its not right. But it's always just there; in the corner - with the sun shining through the back like some holy beacon of truth.... I'm going out.
Yeah Silver,
Wish I could give em to ya. Those hours are a necessary diversion for lifes pilings up if ya know what I mean. If I wasn't spending those hours on the pipes, I'd have been doing something I'd regret. The tunes are one of those things that keeps my mind from going where it shouldn't.
danny flute whistle box if i could explain that then i certainly would be in the wrong career. It's basically the same principle as the U.S government did by sending one atomic clock off on a high speed jet and the other stays still on the ground. After the trip when compared the one on the plane was slightly slower. My interpretation was just tongue in cheek (you can add your own tune if you didn't like Drowsy Maggie).
If experiencing time dialation while playing, one would be prudent to have a towel handy, and, if you have one, a book that says "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters on the cover.
The link photo I posted of Einstein putting out his tongue is proof positive that he is eternally a tradhead and 100% in the session groove. His theories of place and time, of which I don't understand an iota, were clearly worked out on the bouncing bedsprings of Irish music under the influence of diverse intoxicants.
danstein's general theory of relativity
danstein's general theory of relativity
ever noticed how time slows down when you're struggling through a set of tunes the first time you ever bring them out to a session (...or *do* you bring new tunes out to a session? maybe some people just follow the leader....baa-aa-aahh) ...and how the whole time of a session just seems to fly - even though you may *not*, at every moment, be enjoying yourself?
Just a fleeting few foraging random thoughts...
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Rudall the time
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Definitely a case of time dilation, Danny. Here, take two tachyons and call me yesterday morning.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Bob himself
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
There are many discussions on time perception, of which this is one:-
http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_prescribes_a_healthy_take_on_time.html
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by gam
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
So, is it the case that the faster you play, the shorter the time it takes to finish a set of tunes?
And the tunes get heavier?
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Rudall the time
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
In troubleshooting these types of issues, I usually first start by getting a good look at the tribophysical waveform macro kinetic extrapolator. If your dilithium reservoir is full, then the extrapolator should be pulling energy directly from that. If the dilithium levels are not going down, and the extrapolator appears to be working correctly, then this is usually an issue with the flux capacitor. From there, well, it could be any number of things, but first go back and check the extrapolator and the reservoir.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Oh, how embarassing! My mistake, I was also posting on the Dr. Who forum about an issue someone was having with the TARDIS, sorry about that!
Boy, are they going to be confused over there with my post about jigs and reels and temporal shifts.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Does danstein roll his eyes and stick his tongue out, like Einstein, when playing?
Excess or shortage of blood to the brain when doing this may be giving him blackouts, waking dreams and other things that might affect his perception of the passage of time.
This gives the idea, if I've got it right:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=einstein+tongue+picture&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&rlz+1R2RNTN_enGB350&aq=f&oq=
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by nicholas
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
SWFL Fiddler, your solution is too illogical and will not work (said the person with green, pointed ears and weird upward-turning eyebrows).
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by fauxcelt
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Einstein may have been a good amateur fiddler but he was unable to count to four.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by fauxcelt
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
In matters of spacetime and temporal stochastics I generally consult the Timecube:
http://timecube.com/
'Tis all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by fidkid
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/06/22/Einstein_070621120740126_wideweb__300x375.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.smh.com.au/news/book-reviews/einstein-his-life-and-universe/2007/06/22/1182019350450.html&usg=__JC_F_tL7M2coN9gkpRRNKXElYJI=&h=375&w=300&sz=33&hl=en&start=53&itbs=1&tbnid=gC6v5HE5b14wrM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deinstein%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D42
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by domhnall.
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
I wonder if there's a time/space warp thing going on here, and the voice I can hear when I play my banjo (q.v.) is actually the sound of someone talking when Danny plays his flute.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by showaddydadito
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Cool. A time travel thread. So ya think if we played all the tunes backwards really fast, we could go have a few tunes with the piper O'Farrell? I always wanted to meet that guy.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Gone to work
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
The tunes themselves are the only accurate way of keeping time. Atomic clocks and sundials are far too rigid to track times contractions and expansions as it arcs past the gravitas field of a good session.
Proof? Ever notice how time expands within a cranking reel so that you have all the time in the world to consider and choose among dozens of options for how to articulate the next note, even at 126 bpm? Time expansion. Yet when the marathon session rolls to its inevitable end the next day, you awaken to find that only a few mere hours have passed. Time contraction.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Will Harmon
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Wow Lonley, so your tellin me that we really did have some tunes with O'Farrell but the time was so cotnracted that we don't remember anything? Damn......
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Gone to work
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
There's been many a time when I've sat with a tune to practice it over and over say at 5pm after work. The next thing I know It's 3 in the morning and I've not left my chair. It feels like I've only been sitting there a short while. The pipes seem to put me in a trance. Does this happen to anyone else or am I just really loopy. For real!
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Gone to work
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
The tunes actually seem to get lighter the faster they go -defying the theory of relatunity...
But my internal clock is keeping accurate time of how long we've been playing a tune. So when a tune is played fast, it often gets played more times, which actually means it takes *longer*
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Reverend
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
(On the mysteries of 'session time')
"...we can now glimpse the future of our tunes, and what we'll play with what, and what will be the time to play them, for we now have stacks of time..."
"...if time is a dimension, it is disturbed by these hyphenated pauses and by the way that jigs and reels are played in different times at different times. It is totally confused by slides and polkas..."
"The Mountain Road", Last Night's Fun by Cairan Carson
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
My apologies, Ciarán Carson, of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciar%C3%A1n_Carson
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Who's Danstein?
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by Jimmy B
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Frankenstein's brother.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by fidkid
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Could explain Deja Vu.
(You know - "didn't we play that set last week?")
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by grego
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Wow Boatpiper you actually learn a tune from 5pm till 3am???
I mean sh*t that's dedication if you soley commit that time to one tune.
I mean 10 hours even with breaks no matter how good the tune seems like overkill. Don't get me wrong if that's what you do then i admire (maybe even envy your free time).
I find myself after an hour or so heading off on a tangent when learning new tunes like i'd say we all do.
You know you're slowly learning a piece getting your head round it thinking you've nailed it then you muddle up big time so what do we all do in revenge and defence of our fingers?
you just rip into the fastest tune you can play at speed as if to say
"sod you tricky tune this is what i can do, huh i don't need you in my repertoire"
Anyhow on time travel get this:
If anyone of you good people on this forum were to play your instrument aboard a ship/capsule what ever that was capable of light speed yeah?
Now you play your instument aboard the machine then it takes off and reaches light speed (yes this acceleration would make you look like a razor blade but just imagine)
Now i the observer am staionary on the ground and i've got this remarkably powerful telescope that can track your movement through space i'm watching through the window of your craft and you're playing your instrument while you travel at light speed.
Think of planes realy far away in the sky look like they are travelling realy slow but we know they are not.
To me you look like you are "frozen" in time, if you've decided to play say Drowsie Maggie which starts on E then that's what i'll see you stuck on the E note like a waxwork.
Even if i leave my telescope and come back weeks later and was still able to focus in on your light speed journey you would still be "frozen" in time on that E note.
The crazy thing is to you your journey would be normal and you would have played Drowsie Maggie in your craft oblivious and time would have passed as normal to yourself.
Only when you returned to earth i would have been about say 25 years older depending, have learnt more tunes and you would have just finished playing Drowsie Maggie.
Now i'm going to play the lottery.
# Posted on January 29th 2010 by upmine3
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Yeah upmine3. I do sometimes go for 10 hrs. I take tunes and break them into little pieces and play them super slow, turn them into airs, swap the parts around and experiment with any goofy piping doodaa I think might fit. Then slowly speed it back up. Then slow it way down even more than the first time. Kinda makes one tune seem like a hundred. At times I'll just hang on one note to experiment with tone color and bag pressure vibe and note presentation, I completely forget about the time of day. The tune just absorbes it. Of course for session playing I gotta keepem straighter than my crazy experiments. Lately I've been doing alot of solo playing.
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by Gone to work
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
upmine3 that's a good description of an effect of *Special* Relativity, not General. Any chance you could explain your understanding of how all that actually works? I'd be interested.
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by Rudall the time
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Boatpiper
Respect. I lose whole days on the banjo. I know its not right. But it's always just there; in the corner - with the sun shining through the back like some holy beacon of truth.... I'm going out.
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by Eòsaph
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
I wish I had 10 free hours at one go.
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by DrSilverSpear
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Yeah Silver,
Wish I could give em to ya. Those hours are a necessary diversion for lifes pilings up if ya know what I mean. If I wasn't spending those hours on the pipes, I'd have been doing something I'd regret. The tunes are one of those things that keeps my mind from going where it shouldn't.
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by Gone to work
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
"The sun shinig through the back like some holy beacon of truth."
Eosaph'
Awesome..............That leaves me speechless...........................
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by Gone to work
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
danny flute whistle box if i could explain that then i certainly would be in the wrong career. It's basically the same principle as the U.S government did by sending one atomic clock off on a high speed jet and the other stays still on the ground. After the trip when compared the one on the plane was slightly slower. My interpretation was just tongue in cheek (you can add your own tune if you didn't like Drowsy Maggie).
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by upmine3
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
If experiencing time dialation while playing, one would be prudent to have a towel handy, and, if you have one, a book that says "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters on the cover.
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by AlBrown
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
Attempting to "hitchike" through the galaxy is illogical, Mr. Brown.
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by fauxcelt
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
The link photo I posted of Einstein putting out his tongue is proof positive that he is eternally a tradhead and 100% in the session groove. His theories of place and time, of which I don't understand an iota, were clearly worked out on the bouncing bedsprings of Irish music under the influence of diverse intoxicants.
The smile says it all...
# Posted on January 30th 2010 by nicholas
Re: danstein's general theory of relativity
(I really meant to say, the elastic trampoline of Irish music...)
# Posted on January 31st 2010 by nicholas