Are archaeologists an offshoot of archaeology? Are physicists an offshoot of physics? Are scientists an offshoot of science? How does the study of something make the practice of it an "offshoot."
I think I know, and agree with, what you're saying dodger. Compare Chuck Berry to Megadeath. It's not the same music. Same's true with Robert Johnson and any number of sh*tty blues bands. The Carter Family and any modern Country music. The Stooges and Green Day.It's all just labeling and fitting into boxes. Remember, there's only two types of music- good music and bad music.
And I'm not sure I know what it is you mean by Uni degree or Academic trad but, in my mind, I'm defining it as all the lifeless, prissy, over produced/practiced/refined/modal knowledged/theoried/guitar harmonics/trad policed/celtic music/new age....in other words everything that's not this
Yep, I was watching that documentary on jazz by Ken Burns and one of the earliest examples of jazz he pointed to was a New Orleans jazz band playing The Sally Garden reel. African/Irish crossover begets jazz. But that, as you say, is a stretch as far as a "[uni] degree" having any similar effect on Irish trad.
I don't know exactly what "lifeless, prissy, over produced/practiced/refined/modal knowledged/theoried/guitar harmonics/trad policed/celtic music/new age" means; I mean, it sounds like a lot to live up to, doesn't it? But you got to admit this is good, even if it is indeed different from Shanty's video (which was also great): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_zbV0qbwdw
Well I don't know if that ticks *every* box in "lifeless, prissy, over produced/practiced/refined/modal knowledged/theoried/guitar harmonics/trad policed/celtic music/new age", but I think you've found and example that comes close. We have a fair idea what it means now. Well done!
Lifeless: void of any vim, vigour, spark, that-which-makes-one's-foot-tap etc. Very subjective, but I suppose the video I showed could be more lively, yes. However, I have heard those three musicians play with a lot more life than in that video. Maybe this would be a better example (another Newc folk deg. student): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teG0Wfbnmbk
Prissy: um... girlish? Vain, perhaps? Fussy? Pretentious? I can't really think what this would relate to in terms of music, though. Whatever it is, I wouldn't call any music I've heard from folk degree students "prissy".
Over-produced: really? Almost every CD recorded today is extremely highly produced. Whether this is too much or not is up to you, but you can't say it's anything to do with the existence of folk music degrees.
Practiced: yes, these students practice a lot. So do I. So, I'm sure, do most, if not all, of the musicians you look up to and admire.
Refined: basically means the same as "practiced". The only thing I can think of is that you are of the opinion that folk music is all about the squeaks and scratches. Well, these degree students seem not to be, on the most part.
Modal-knowledged: yes, these students know their modes very well. So do I. So, I'm sure, do most, if not all, of the musicians you look up to and admire.
Theoried: they, of course, learn about music theory as well. I would doubt, however, that they incorporate this advanced knowledge, in any obvious way, into the tunes they play.
Guitar harmonics: I'm sorry? That seemed to come entirely out of the blue. You mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoG3X3NGTNI
Very nice, but what's it got to do with the price of cheese??
Trad policed: oh come now, please! This has got to be the exact opposite of "trad policed". The "trad police" are those who try to shut up and discourage anyone who's doing anything new or daring, anything that goes against their idea of "the tradition". The folk degrees are all about venturing further out than you have done before, being new and daring in your music, etc. Or at least trying to.
Celtic music: by this, I suppose you mean "Celtic" music, with sarcasm dripping from the first word. No. "Celtic" music is made by people who've heard this music second-hand, and are trying to replicate it, even though they haven't a clue. People who can't tell the difference between Scottish and Irish music call it all "Celtic". "Celtic" music is what you get way too much of in my school! (Berklee College of Music)
Joe I didn't want to give specific examples or name any names. Intention wasn't to hurt anyones feeling or cut anyone down. I wanted to give an example of what I enjoy or what I think is good.Just trying to see if I got the gist of what dodger means by uni degree. Of course a lot of the Irish music I don't like is performed by very talented, knowledgable folks. I still don't need to like it. Lots of talented people play, what is to me, very boring music.
Again, I was just trying to see if I got what dodger was saying.
Joe -Lifeless music comes from being over practiced. I can smell it when I hear it and it's not what I'm interested in. Might as well listen to a computer generated track. I like what's human in music.
Over produced always kills me, sorry I don't need for it to sound like I'm inside the instruments. I've always liked live recordings or very simple productions.
The guitar harmonics just irk me. And they are a perfect example of 'prissy'
Modal knowledge is not a bad thing but when taken to the extreme to match up odd guitar chords to certain tunes it bugs me. Hard to explain this one but, for instance, to me a lot of Dorian tunes need only two chords. When I hear a third chord slipped in there it ruins it for me. God forbid they slam 4 chords in it! And maybe they have a lack of knowledge and that's why it sounds bad-I dunno but that's what I mean by it.
Put it all together, slap the 'Celtic' label on it and you have very refined chamber music that I'm not interested in.
Shanty - everything you said there is true, and I agree with nearly all of it. But it applies to classical or Jazz musicians who assume they can play folk, because they're good musicians, but destroy it because they don't know a thing about it.
This, however, is a discussion about Folk Degree students, mainly in Newcastle or Limerick universities. These are folk musicians who simply decide to take their love of the music to university.
Basically, what you're saying is true, but nothing to do with this discussion.
"Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again." Peter Sellers (Being There)
Joe CSS - is what you say what this discussion about ? Aren't you just extrapolating from an earlier discussion ?
I'm totally confused ( maybe I should have watched those videos ) but that's not at all how I read the original question.
And.........
...........back to the original question;
No, I don't think bluegrass is derived from ITM at all.
Bluegrass is a second generation development of the indigenous folk music of the Appalachian Mountains, one step on from what is now referred to as 'Old-Timey'; the early settlers of the Appalachians are usually described as Scots-Irish in descent; I know there are a number of Scots-Irish persons here on the forum, and I'm sure they could also come in with their pennyworth on this, but it seems to me, it seems to me, that what took root in the Appalachians was very much the Scots half of this equation, persons from Scotland resettled in the northern areas of Ireland after the Battle of the Boyne; the people spoke English, and were Protestant, and the only instrument they brought with them was the fiddle; later settlers brought in the simple zither-type instrument that developed into the Appalachian Mountain Dulcimer, others brought in guitar and mandolin. When Cecil Sharpe toured the mountains collecting folk songs in the Great War period he rejoiced in the familiar texts and recognizeable themes that he had already collected in England and published them as English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians; these were in many cases the same ballads that Childe had published as The English and Scottish Popular Ballads.
I do well recognize that there are some tunes that cross the borders between Irish, Scottish, and American music; I would suggest to you that both in style and in presentation most of these are more obviously Scots in origin than Irish.
So; to get back to the original question....no.
I think we've really veered away from the original question. Was not the original question ...
'SHOULD WE CALL ITM PLAYED BY [UNI] DEGREE SOMETHING OTHER THAN IRISH TRAD?' I think that was the question and dodger gave the example of bluegrass (whether you agree with that or not is irrelavant) as a mutated form of ITM. So he would like to call this new form maybe 'IRISH BAD' wrather than 'IRISH TRAD'.
As to the question of bluegrass Guernsey Pete is correct. The Old timey musicians I've played with can play Irish tunes because they also go to Irish sessions, not because those tunes are part of the appalachian repetoir.
Hmmmm.....I used to believe there was a clear connection but I don't know anymore. So many Irish tunes seem to be 19th century(except the harp tunes) but the Scots Irish came to America in the 18th. Do we know what dance tunes were played in Ireland in the 18th century? Or what tunes were played in Appalachia? I don't know. I thought bluegrass was invented by Bill Monroe in the 50's. I'm in over my head and don't know enough about this to discuss it. Gotta go slave for the man anyway now....Late for work!
I think that all you can say is that Irish music, Scottish music and Bluegrass all share a certain amount of common ancestry. Bluegrass isn't an offshoot of ITM any more that homp sapiens are offshoots of chimpanzees.
Green Fields of America
Miss McLeod's (aka Miss McCloud's in Old Timey speak)
The Turkey in the Straw is in your yellow O'Neill's book, go check
etc. etc.
The initial Appalachian settlers were mostly Scots-Irish. It's historical fact. Their music combined with African music.
Not rocket science!
"...It is derived from various European and African influences, including English ballads, Irish and Scottish traditional music (especially fiddle music), religious hymns, and African-American blues..."
I know that many American musicians don't only play ITM, or Old-Timey, or Bluegrass. The Old-Timey session at the Fiddlers' Convention at Genessee County Museum, NY, that partner and I found whilst on holiday in August played many tunes familiar to us, and we were quite welcomed within the gathering. All this despite only claiming knowledge of Old-Timey, not a repertoire of it.
PS Haven't we moved on from the original question, to a sub-section ?
(Steady there, SWFL. Some of us are grooving on the Hatter's- Tea-Party feel of this discussion. Now is not the time for focus.) Personally, I think Trad may very well improve highly educated people.
It has helped plenty of other institutionalized folks. Take some tunes over to your local hospice some evening, or to your local County Home. Just a thought.
Further tangential indulgence, FWIW. Here’s my personal stab at a rough first approximation of the ingredients that went into Bluegrass as it existed in the 1950’s. Subject to modification as I think about it.
25% Appalachian Old-Time tunes and songs
25% Western (and/or Western Swing)
25% Commercial Pop and Country music of the 1930’s and 40’s
25% African-American string band, jazz, country blues, maybe even Cajun.
The Wiki explanation, above, of Appalachian Old-Time seems about right to me, except I would add some Cherokee influence.
"25% Appalachian Old-Time tunes and songs
25% Western (and/or Western Swing)
25% Commercial Pop and Country music of the 1930’s and 40’s
25% African-American string band, jazz, country blues, maybe even Cajun"
Seems a good asessment except that it leaves out any room for home grown innovation. I think the picking styles that developed were quite new and had not been done before.
Since we touched on the Darwinian, I'd say that this was a case of rapid mutation into a new form.
Yeah, I thought about saving a few percentage points for that. I should've said those were the sources to which Bill Monroe and some others added their own special personal ingredients. And, yes, it was a fairly quick mutation, as those things go. Similar to, and at about the same time as, the rock & roll band.
As both Dodger and Bob Himself point out, we mustn't forget the Cherokees in the equation of what formed Bluegrass music; hence the popularity of that tune Cherokee Mountain Shuffle, no doubt !
[ uni] degree
Re: [ uni] degree
Que?
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by gam
Re: [ uni] degree
Perhaps you should try a more balanced diet, Dodger.
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by johndsamuels
Re: [ uni] degree
Are archaeologists an offshoot of archaeology? Are physicists an offshoot of physics? Are scientists an offshoot of science? How does the study of something make the practice of it an "offshoot."
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by Phantom Button
Re: [ uni] degree
Hee hee!
Schrödinger's quantum trad.
It's only trad until you try to observe it, then the trad dies...or lives, but the trad doesn't die or live until you examine it!
I'm just going to leave it where it is and enjoy it.
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: [ uni] degree
I think I know, and agree with, what you're saying dodger. Compare Chuck Berry to Megadeath. It's not the same music. Same's true with Robert Johnson and any number of sh*tty blues bands. The Carter Family and any modern Country music. The Stooges and Green Day.It's all just labeling and fitting into boxes. Remember, there's only two types of music- good music and bad music.
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by shanty
Re: [ uni] degree
...and all the stuff in between.
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: [ uni] degree
And I'm not sure I know what it is you mean by Uni degree or Academic trad but, in my mind, I'm defining it as all the lifeless, prissy, over produced/practiced/refined/modal knowledged/theoried/guitar harmonics/trad policed/celtic music/new age....in other words everything that's not this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iuXCsD5jis
But the truth is that, for better or worse ,it's all part of the genre.
You can't stop time....
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by shanty
Re: [ uni] degree
Love that clip! Thanks.
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: [ uni] degree
'bb king once said the blues had a baby and they called it rockandroll'.
Actually, it was Muddy Waters.
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by MacCruiskeen
Re: [ uni] degree
ITM, of course. Didn't Llig once call it sort of an Irish Pop Music?
# Posted on November 22nd 2009 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: [ uni] degree
Will we need a Large Guinness Collider to find out?
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by john knoss
Re: [ uni] degree
Bluegrass is about as much an offshoot of Irish trad as is jazz. And that's only a slight exaggeration.
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by Bob himself
Re: [ uni] degree
Yep, I was watching that documentary on jazz by Ken Burns and one of the earliest examples of jazz he pointed to was a New Orleans jazz band playing The Sally Garden reel. African/Irish crossover begets jazz. But that, as you say, is a stretch as far as a "[uni] degree" having any similar effect on Irish trad.
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by Phantom Button
Re: [ uni] degree
I don't know exactly what "lifeless, prissy, over produced/practiced/refined/modal knowledged/theoried/guitar harmonics/trad policed/celtic music/new age" means; I mean, it sounds like a lot to live up to, doesn't it? But you got to admit this is good, even if it is indeed different from Shanty's video (which was also great):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_zbV0qbwdw
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by Joe CSS
Re: [ uni] degree
Well I don't know if that ticks *every* box in "lifeless, prissy, over produced/practiced/refined/modal knowledged/theoried/guitar harmonics/trad policed/celtic music/new age", but I think you've found and example that comes close. We have a fair idea what it means now. Well done!
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by Linsey Doyle
Re: [ uni] degree
OK, let's try to be clear about things here:
Lifeless: void of any vim, vigour, spark, that-which-makes-one's-foot-tap etc. Very subjective, but I suppose the video I showed could be more lively, yes. However, I have heard those three musicians play with a lot more life than in that video. Maybe this would be a better example (another Newc folk deg. student): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teG0Wfbnmbk
Prissy: um... girlish? Vain, perhaps? Fussy? Pretentious? I can't really think what this would relate to in terms of music, though. Whatever it is, I wouldn't call any music I've heard from folk degree students "prissy".
Over-produced: really? Almost every CD recorded today is extremely highly produced. Whether this is too much or not is up to you, but you can't say it's anything to do with the existence of folk music degrees.
Practiced: yes, these students practice a lot. So do I. So, I'm sure, do most, if not all, of the musicians you look up to and admire.
Refined: basically means the same as "practiced". The only thing I can think of is that you are of the opinion that folk music is all about the squeaks and scratches. Well, these degree students seem not to be, on the most part.
Modal-knowledged: yes, these students know their modes very well. So do I. So, I'm sure, do most, if not all, of the musicians you look up to and admire.
Theoried: they, of course, learn about music theory as well. I would doubt, however, that they incorporate this advanced knowledge, in any obvious way, into the tunes they play.
Guitar harmonics: I'm sorry? That seemed to come entirely out of the blue. You mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoG3X3NGTNI
Very nice, but what's it got to do with the price of cheese??
Trad policed: oh come now, please! This has got to be the exact opposite of "trad policed". The "trad police" are those who try to shut up and discourage anyone who's doing anything new or daring, anything that goes against their idea of "the tradition". The folk degrees are all about venturing further out than you have done before, being new and daring in your music, etc. Or at least trying to.
Celtic music: by this, I suppose you mean "Celtic" music, with sarcasm dripping from the first word. No. "Celtic" music is made by people who've heard this music second-hand, and are trying to replicate it, even though they haven't a clue. People who can't tell the difference between Scottish and Irish music call it all "Celtic". "Celtic" music is what you get way too much of in my school! (Berklee College of Music)
New Age: THIS is New Age: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-MOZ4YFGTo&feature=related
I do hope I haven't confused things.
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by Joe CSS
Re: [ uni] degree
Joe I didn't want to give specific examples or name any names. Intention wasn't to hurt anyones feeling or cut anyone down. I wanted to give an example of what I enjoy or what I think is good.Just trying to see if I got the gist of what dodger means by uni degree. Of course a lot of the Irish music I don't like is performed by very talented, knowledgable folks. I still don't need to like it. Lots of talented people play, what is to me, very boring music.
Again, I was just trying to see if I got what dodger was saying.
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by shanty
Re: [ uni] degree
Joe -Lifeless music comes from being over practiced. I can smell it when I hear it and it's not what I'm interested in. Might as well listen to a computer generated track. I like what's human in music.
Over produced always kills me, sorry I don't need for it to sound like I'm inside the instruments. I've always liked live recordings or very simple productions.
The guitar harmonics just irk me. And they are a perfect example of 'prissy'
Modal knowledge is not a bad thing but when taken to the extreme to match up odd guitar chords to certain tunes it bugs me. Hard to explain this one but, for instance, to me a lot of Dorian tunes need only two chords. When I hear a third chord slipped in there it ruins it for me. God forbid they slam 4 chords in it! And maybe they have a lack of knowledge and that's why it sounds bad-I dunno but that's what I mean by it.
Put it all together, slap the 'Celtic' label on it and you have very refined chamber music that I'm not interested in.
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by shanty
Re: [ uni] degree
"I like what's human in music."
That's probably the best thing to be said in this thread. Either one gets that or they don't. It not something that can really be debated.
# Posted on November 23rd 2009 by Jimmy B
Re: [ uni] degree
Shanty - everything you said there is true, and I agree with nearly all of it. But it applies to classical or Jazz musicians who assume they can play folk, because they're good musicians, but destroy it because they don't know a thing about it.
This, however, is a discussion about Folk Degree students, mainly in Newcastle or Limerick universities. These are folk musicians who simply decide to take their love of the music to university.
Basically, what you're saying is true, but nothing to do with this discussion.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by Joe CSS
Re: [ uni] degree
"Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again." Peter Sellers (Being There)
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by grego
Re: [ uni] degree
Joe CSS - is what you say what this discussion about ? Aren't you just extrapolating from an earlier discussion ?
I'm totally confused ( maybe I should have watched those videos ) but that's not at all how I read the original question.
And.........
...........back to the original question;
No, I don't think bluegrass is derived from ITM at all.
Bluegrass is a second generation development of the indigenous folk music of the Appalachian Mountains, one step on from what is now referred to as 'Old-Timey'; the early settlers of the Appalachians are usually described as Scots-Irish in descent; I know there are a number of Scots-Irish persons here on the forum, and I'm sure they could also come in with their pennyworth on this, but it seems to me, it seems to me, that what took root in the Appalachians was very much the Scots half of this equation, persons from Scotland resettled in the northern areas of Ireland after the Battle of the Boyne; the people spoke English, and were Protestant, and the only instrument they brought with them was the fiddle; later settlers brought in the simple zither-type instrument that developed into the Appalachian Mountain Dulcimer, others brought in guitar and mandolin. When Cecil Sharpe toured the mountains collecting folk songs in the Great War period he rejoiced in the familiar texts and recognizeable themes that he had already collected in England and published them as English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians; these were in many cases the same ballads that Childe had published as The English and Scottish Popular Ballads.
I do well recognize that there are some tunes that cross the borders between Irish, Scottish, and American music; I would suggest to you that both in style and in presentation most of these are more obviously Scots in origin than Irish.
So; to get back to the original question....no.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Re: [ uni] degree
I think we've really veered away from the original question. Was not the original question ...
'SHOULD WE CALL ITM PLAYED BY [UNI] DEGREE SOMETHING OTHER THAN IRISH TRAD?' I think that was the question and dodger gave the example of bluegrass (whether you agree with that or not is irrelavant) as a mutated form of ITM. So he would like to call this new form maybe 'IRISH BAD' wrather than 'IRISH TRAD'.
As to the question of bluegrass Guernsey Pete is correct. The Old timey musicians I've played with can play Irish tunes because they also go to Irish sessions, not because those tunes are part of the appalachian repetoir.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by shanty
Re: [ uni] degree
Hmmmm.....I used to believe there was a clear connection but I don't know anymore. So many Irish tunes seem to be 19th century(except the harp tunes) but the Scots Irish came to America in the 18th. Do we know what dance tunes were played in Ireland in the 18th century? Or what tunes were played in Appalachia? I don't know. I thought bluegrass was invented by Bill Monroe in the 50's. I'm in over my head and don't know enough about this to discuss it. Gotta go slave for the man anyway now....Late for work!
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by shanty
Re: [ uni] degree
Ahem, Dodger. All three of those commas are completely redundant. And the last one could be replaced with a full stop.
Not to mention a capital letter at the beginning...
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by Joe CSS
Re: [ uni] degree
I think that all you can say is that Irish music, Scottish music and Bluegrass all share a certain amount of common ancestry. Bluegrass isn't an offshoot of ITM any more that homp sapiens are offshoots of chimpanzees.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by johndsamuels
Re: [ uni] degree
Groan... homo sapiens
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by johndsamuels
Re: [ uni] degree
Shared tunes:
Green Fields of America
Miss McLeod's (aka Miss McCloud's in Old Timey speak)
The Turkey in the Straw is in your yellow O'Neill's book, go check
etc. etc.
The initial Appalachian settlers were mostly Scots-Irish. It's historical fact. Their music combined with African music.
Not rocket science!
"...It is derived from various European and African influences, including English ballads, Irish and Scottish traditional music (especially fiddle music), religious hymns, and African-American blues..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_music
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: [ uni] degree
I know that many American musicians don't only play ITM, or Old-Timey, or Bluegrass. The Old-Timey session at the Fiddlers' Convention at Genessee County Museum, NY, that partner and I found whilst on holiday in August played many tunes familiar to us, and we were quite welcomed within the gathering. All this despite only claiming knowledge of Old-Timey, not a repertoire of it.
PS Haven't we moved on from the original question, to a sub-section ?
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Re: [ uni] degree
Pete, you can actually decipher one of dodger's posts to determine what the original question was? Well done man!
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: [ uni] degree
(Steady there, SWFL. Some of us are grooving on the Hatter's- Tea-Party feel of this discussion. Now is not the time for focus.) Personally, I think Trad may very well improve highly educated people.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: [ uni] degree
It has helped plenty of other institutionalized folks. Take some tunes over to your local hospice some evening, or to your local County Home. Just a thought.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: [ uni] degree
Further tangential indulgence, FWIW. Here’s my personal stab at a rough first approximation of the ingredients that went into Bluegrass as it existed in the 1950’s. Subject to modification as I think about it.
25% Appalachian Old-Time tunes and songs
25% Western (and/or Western Swing)
25% Commercial Pop and Country music of the 1930’s and 40’s
25% African-American string band, jazz, country blues, maybe even Cajun.
The Wiki explanation, above, of Appalachian Old-Time seems about right to me, except I would add some Cherokee influence.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by Bob himself
Re: [ uni] degree
It was the Cherokees who introduced the obligatory banjo break. Earl Scruggs stole his licks from them.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by Bob himself
Re: [ uni] degree
"25% Appalachian Old-Time tunes and songs
25% Western (and/or Western Swing)
25% Commercial Pop and Country music of the 1930’s and 40’s
25% African-American string band, jazz, country blues, maybe even Cajun"
Seems a good asessment except that it leaves out any room for home grown innovation. I think the picking styles that developed were quite new and had not been done before.
Since we touched on the Darwinian, I'd say that this was a case of rapid mutation into a new form.
# Posted on November 24th 2009 by shanty
Re: [ uni] degree
Yeah, I thought about saving a few percentage points for that. I should've said those were the sources to which Bill Monroe and some others added their own special personal ingredients. And, yes, it was a fairly quick mutation, as those things go. Similar to, and at about the same time as, the rock & roll band.
# Posted on November 25th 2009 by Bob himself
Re: [ uni] degree
Some of my bluegrass friends are, in fact, mutants.
# Posted on November 25th 2009 by Bob himself
Re: [ uni] degree
As both Dodger and Bob Himself point out, we mustn't forget the Cherokees in the equation of what formed Bluegrass music; hence the popularity of that tune Cherokee Mountain Shuffle, no doubt !
# Posted on November 25th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Re: [ uni] degree
Would that be the tune which is also known as Cherokee Shuffle or Lost Indian?
# Posted on November 25th 2009 by fauxcelt
Re: [ uni] degree
One of my co-workers experienced the "Cherokee Shuffle" when he went to a casino run by the Cherokees to play poker.
# Posted on November 25th 2009 by fauxcelt