If there were less teachers there wouldn't be so many players out there. Any population of players will contain its share of bad players - the larger the population the larger the number (but not necessarily the percentage) of bad players.
Unless the teachers were all clones of each other, wouldn't their number contribute to diversity rather than not? IMO, what's mostly to blame for "everyone ending up with the same accent" (minus the hyperbole) is the popularity of certain bands at any one time.
Conform conform conform you gddamn worker bees! You will Think the same, Work the same and Play the same! Silly notions of traditional folk music will, soon, be a thing of the past anyway. Eveyone shall listen only to State Manufactured electronic World Mood Muzack. Kaki slacks and polo's will be the uniform for work. A grey jumpsuit, when not working, may be purchased at your state run Super Store. Any notions of individuality, dodger, shall quickly be erradicated. Teachers and Mall Security Guards are the van guard of this hellish future.
Oh...and the third part of this un-Holy Trinity of this monement would be those that would deny you the right to play TIN WHISTLE WHILE DRIVING!!!!!!!AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm a school teacher, and we always get blamed for all evils of society. So the music teachers are being singled out now. Makes a nice change.
But seriously: I think the approach of teachers can be very varied. If somebody seeks to be taught at least they realize that some serious effort is needed for to play The Music.
A good teacher won't try to push students in one particular direction. They will encourage their students to listen to what's out there and help guide them towards what interests them. Give them the tools they need to get better and send them on their way. A half hour or hour long class a week is not going to be where the student learns the most. It is when they go home to practice and listen to the music that they really learn.
There are basically two kinds of teachers. There are the ones who tell you what they were told by their teachers, and there are the ones who through long years have learned to play well and will, if buttered gently, impart some of what they have learned. The first teach in schools or classes, the second in pubs or kitchens. The first teach you how you should do it, the second how they do it. The first 'push you in a certain direction', the second give you maps. Keys to doors. Insights. You get the jist.
St.Cecilia preserve us from the former, and bring down the price of Guinness, so we can better afford to butter the latter.
Teachers...When pleasing the teacher out weighs the love of the music, I believe the process derails. There are great teachers who help students to understand and love music, there are others who create legions of mini-me's. The mini-me's seem to love the affiliation with their group and teacher, and often become great players over time, (those being the ones who have their own inherent love and understanding of music presumably. ) I believe a the first type I described to be harder to find, but well worth the money and efforts to maintain a learning relationship with when you do find one. I think overall teachers do more good than harm, but if enrolling your child into a mini-me program, it might be great to augment their experience with outside programs like camps and workshops bring them to sessions, and other social occaisions often so they can have opportunities to interact with the music on its social and cultural level.
When teaching becomes a job,.....[complete the sentence]
The mini-me's populate the various religions of playing.
Real musicians, whether in individual or group situations, know the real spirit of music, and play and teach for music's sake. Lessons in life, taught from lessons in life. Halle'
vlnplyr
Er...proper English...you mean as spoken in England? (ducks)
Seriously, though, it's probably a waste of time trying to remedy people's grammar and spelling here, except occasionally for a laugh. We all make 'mistakes' for a host of reasons in writing, speaking, playing- living in general. Live and let live seems the best policy.
teachers
Re: teachers
aye oop dodger
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by mcknowall
Re: teachers
If there were less teachers there wouldn't be so many players out there. Any population of players will contain its share of bad players - the larger the population the larger the number (but not necessarily the percentage) of bad players.
Unless the teachers were all clones of each other, wouldn't their number contribute to diversity rather than not? IMO, what's mostly to blame for "everyone ending up with the same accent" (minus the hyperbole) is the popularity of certain bands at any one time.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by Jürgen
Re: teachers
Conform conform conform you gddamn worker bees! You will Think the same, Work the same and Play the same! Silly notions of traditional folk music will, soon, be a thing of the past anyway. Eveyone shall listen only to State Manufactured electronic World Mood Muzack. Kaki slacks and polo's will be the uniform for work. A grey jumpsuit, when not working, may be purchased at your state run Super Store. Any notions of individuality, dodger, shall quickly be erradicated. Teachers and Mall Security Guards are the van guard of this hellish future.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by shanty
Re: teachers
Oh...and the third part of this un-Holy Trinity of this monement would be those that would deny you the right to play TIN WHISTLE WHILE DRIVING!!!!!!!AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by shanty
Re: teachers
If there were more teachers, on the other hand, there might be fewer grammatical errors.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by gam
Re: teachers
But I agree.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by gam
Re: teachers
Without my teacher I'd just be playing notes and would never understand the infinite diversity in ITM.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by janmarie
Re: teachers
I'm a school teacher, and we always get blamed for all evils of society. So the music teachers are being singled out now. Makes a nice change.
But seriously: I think the approach of teachers can be very varied. If somebody seeks to be taught at least they realize that some serious effort is needed for to play The Music.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by kuec
Re: teachers
A good teacher won't try to push students in one particular direction. They will encourage their students to listen to what's out there and help guide them towards what interests them. Give them the tools they need to get better and send them on their way. A half hour or hour long class a week is not going to be where the student learns the most. It is when they go home to practice and listen to the music that they really learn.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by anastasiadesroches
Re: teachers
There are basically two kinds of teachers. There are the ones who tell you what they were told by their teachers, and there are the ones who through long years have learned to play well and will, if buttered gently, impart some of what they have learned. The first teach in schools or classes, the second in pubs or kitchens. The first teach you how you should do it, the second how they do it. The first 'push you in a certain direction', the second give you maps. Keys to doors. Insights. You get the jist.
St.Cecilia preserve us from the former, and bring down the price of Guinness, so we can better afford to butter the latter.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by gam
Re: teachers
Teachers...When pleasing the teacher out weighs the love of the music, I believe the process derails. There are great teachers who help students to understand and love music, there are others who create legions of mini-me's. The mini-me's seem to love the affiliation with their group and teacher, and often become great players over time, (those being the ones who have their own inherent love and understanding of music presumably. ) I believe a the first type I described to be harder to find, but well worth the money and efforts to maintain a learning relationship with when you do find one. I think overall teachers do more good than harm, but if enrolling your child into a mini-me program, it might be great to augment their experience with outside programs like camps and workshops bring them to sessions, and other social occaisions often so they can have opportunities to interact with the music on its social and cultural level.
# Posted on November 14th 2009 by SandyBottoms
Re: teachers
Beautifully put, gam.
When teaching becomes a job,.....[complete the sentence]
The mini-me's populate the various religions of playing.
Real musicians, whether in individual or group situations, know the real spirit of music, and play and teach for music's sake. Lessons in life, taught from lessons in life. Halle'
vlnplyr
# Posted on November 15th 2009 by vlnplyr
Re: teachers
If there were FEWER teachers, there would be FEWER players.
Why don't you learn proper English, mate?
# Posted on November 17th 2009 by celticagent
Re: teachers
Er...proper English...you mean as spoken in England? (ducks)
Seriously, though, it's probably a waste of time trying to remedy people's grammar and spelling here, except occasionally for a laugh. We all make 'mistakes' for a host of reasons in writing, speaking, playing- living in general. Live and let live seems the best policy.
# Posted on November 18th 2009 by Here Lyeth