A few years ago my brother-in-law got hold of one of these usb turntable players and converted lots of his vinyl. He made me a copy of Finbar & Eddie Fureys album called Four green Fields from 1972. Now this is probably one of their very best records, so when converted to CD for me, I ripped it into my hard disc as a wma file. Another album I got was Ossians self titled debut album from 1977.
Since then, I have had to replace my hard disc once or twice, but now the old wmas do not play and a licence is required??
I have since changed the rip to mp3 in my Windows Media Player.
But no matter where I try, I cant get hold of both these CDs.
Four Green Fields was quoted in one Amazon price at £77 pounds? WHAT!
The same goes for Christy Moores middle period between the to Planxtys, Whatever Tickles Your Fancy 1975 Polydor and Christy Moore (Self-titled) 1976, Inchiquinn (where the hell did that one disappear to - Tony McMahon.Noel Hill,Colm murphy, Gary OBriain I think or Alec Finn. Mid-70s.) De Dananns first two never got sanctioned into CDs. I could go on, but Im sure others could add to this.
Rare is relative, which is to say that out of print doesn't necessarily mean rare. But yes, some out of print records are rarer than hen's teeth, especially in so-called niche genres where printing runs were so small and limited to begin with.
Independent sellers on Amazon often let their imaginations run the listings. A few years back there was a fella on US Amazon offering the Moloney/Potts 'Tin Whistles' CD from Claddagh for $80. Another, I remember the 'Bundle and Go' CD was listed for $150. "The Whirlwind' for over $50.. etc. A few weeks later and things returned to normal because we all know those are silly prices.
What happens is if the given item is not presently available as new merchandise, and zero sellers are offering it, someone always sticks a copy out there for a ridiculous price. Several others then follow suit at a figure or two lower, but still asking way too much. The idea is that with only three or four copies presently being offered for sale on Amazon, someone will bite for megabucks and it doesn't hurt the seller to try. I guess these sellers forget that folkies have friends with music collections, too?
I sell LPs on Amazon and there was another seller who kept undercutting me on a particular record (okay it was Pearl Jam). It got to be funny, in a way, because he would match me penny for penny on a daily basis and neither of us were selling the record. This went on for weeks. It came to a head one night when I dropped mine from $30 to $7 to see what would happen and whatddya know, he drops his to $6.99 within the hour.
So I bought his copy and sold both to a local record store.
I am not sure of this, but I think Ubuntu's media player will open WMAs and they probably have a converter to their format. It might not even be illegal.
I wouldn't regard any of the albums you've mentioned as 'incredibly rare' except for the Inchiquin one. Said band consisted of Noel Hill, Tony Linnane, Kieran Hanrahan and Tony Callanan (nothing like the membership you listed).
That Inchiquin album is especially rare because it was released in limited numbers by a one-off label. Others that would fall into the same category are everything released by Brendan Mulkere's Inchecronin, the Outlet 'OAS' series and Caoimhín Ó Raghallaigh's solo debut (only 500 produced - I've got one, so would anybody like to make me a silly offer?).
to save you looking, soulseek a filesharing thing.
which is generally used for sharing music illegally, breach of copyright etc.
however, the OP was technically in breach when he got a CD copy of his brothers vinyl. is there a difference? i dunno
WMA. a really bad format, proprietary, and if a file is marked unsharable (something like that) when created, it will never play on a different PC unless the licence is transferred.
licences are often lost after HD failure etc.
ive been telling people for years to never use WMA.
with regard to accessing rare stuff;
some of the albums listed iin this thread are available to listen to online, free ,legitimately, and if you are clever about it you can extract the audio mp3 files and keep them.
i'm not giving details, as this may also be breach of copyright, although i do think its less naughtly than using P2P solulseek etc.
is it breach of copyright (or indeed just morally wrong) to download content which is only meant for streaming?
Incredibly rare folk albums.
Incredibly rare folk albums.
A few years ago my brother-in-law got hold of one of these usb turntable players and converted lots of his vinyl. He made me a copy of Finbar & Eddie Fureys album called Four green Fields from 1972. Now this is probably one of their very best records, so when converted to CD for me, I ripped it into my hard disc as a wma file. Another album I got was Ossians self titled debut album from 1977.
Since then, I have had to replace my hard disc once or twice, but now the old wmas do not play and a licence is required??
I have since changed the rip to mp3 in my Windows Media Player.
But no matter where I try, I cant get hold of both these CDs.
Four Green Fields was quoted in one Amazon price at £77 pounds? WHAT!
The same goes for Christy Moores middle period between the to Planxtys, Whatever Tickles Your Fancy 1975 Polydor and Christy Moore (Self-titled) 1976, Inchiquinn (where the hell did that one disappear to - Tony McMahon.Noel Hill,Colm murphy, Gary OBriain I think or Alec Finn. Mid-70s.) De Dananns first two never got sanctioned into CDs. I could go on, but Im sure others could add to this.
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by Scots_Niall
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
The odd track from De Danann's first LP *does* get onto compilations.
For example, the song (I Am A) Rambling Irishman, sung I think by Dolores Keane, is on the CD :-
HMV Global Roots: Irish Folk 544813-2
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by nicholas
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
Bobby Casey 'taking flight ' went at 37£ last week on ebay.Ive picked up a few Classic old Albums on vinyl, but I missed out on that one!
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by piobagusfidil
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
The two Christy Moore records mentioned were available in a double CD pack which I found a couple of years ago - can't remember where unfortunately
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by Bren
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
Richard Thompson's Strict Tempo and Henry the Human Fly are also frustratingly hard to find, although I have copies thanks to a helpful session.org-er
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by Bren
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
I stumbled across this site one night, with a fair amount of really
old Irish 78 albums.
http://www.archive.org/browse.php?field=subject&mediatype=audio&collection=78rpm
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by Earl Cameron
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
Rare is relative, which is to say that out of print doesn't necessarily mean rare. But yes, some out of print records are rarer than hen's teeth, especially in so-called niche genres where printing runs were so small and limited to begin with.
Independent sellers on Amazon often let their imaginations run the listings. A few years back there was a fella on US Amazon offering the Moloney/Potts 'Tin Whistles' CD from Claddagh for $80. Another, I remember the 'Bundle and Go' CD was listed for $150. "The Whirlwind' for over $50.. etc. A few weeks later and things returned to normal because we all know those are silly prices.
What happens is if the given item is not presently available as new merchandise, and zero sellers are offering it, someone always sticks a copy out there for a ridiculous price. Several others then follow suit at a figure or two lower, but still asking way too much. The idea is that with only three or four copies presently being offered for sale on Amazon, someone will bite for megabucks and it doesn't hurt the seller to try. I guess these sellers forget that folkies have friends with music collections, too?
I sell LPs on Amazon and there was another seller who kept undercutting me on a particular record (okay it was Pearl Jam). It got to be funny, in a way, because he would match me penny for penny on a daily basis and neither of us were selling the record. This went on for weeks. It came to a head one night when I dropped mine from $30 to $7 to see what would happen and whatddya know, he drops his to $6.99 within the hour.
So I bought his copy and sold both to a local record store.
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by gravelwalks
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
Here's the link for the Christy Moore CDs - I assume these are the ones you mean:
http://www.amazon.com/Whatever-Tickles-Fancy-Christy-Moore/dp/B000255LKM
His "controversial" electric versions of "Who put the Blood" and "Van Dieman's Land" haunted me for years and I was glad to find copies again
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by Bren
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
I am not sure of this, but I think Ubuntu's media player will open WMAs and they probably have a converter to their format. It might not even be illegal.
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by justjim
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
Scots_Niall,
I wouldn't regard any of the albums you've mentioned as 'incredibly rare' except for the Inchiquin one. Said band consisted of Noel Hill, Tony Linnane, Kieran Hanrahan and Tony Callanan (nothing like the membership you listed).
That Inchiquin album is especially rare because it was released in limited numbers by a one-off label. Others that would fall into the same category are everything released by Brendan Mulkere's Inchecronin, the Outlet 'OAS' series and Caoimhín Ó Raghallaigh's solo debut (only 500 produced - I've got one, so would anybody like to make me a silly offer?).
# Posted on October 4th 2009 by MacCruiskeen
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
I ordered Ossian's self titles CD from amazon.com for $9 or something. Plus shipping of course.
# Posted on October 5th 2009 by MR.
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
Can someone be banned for one word? There is one word that answers your question, and solves your problem.
Soulseek.
# Posted on October 5th 2009 by bboxer
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
Very strange post that bboxer
# Posted on October 5th 2009 by bazouki dave
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulseek
You can find lots of rare stuff there.
# Posted on October 5th 2009 by bboxer
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
to save you looking, soulseek a filesharing thing.
which is generally used for sharing music illegally, breach of copyright etc.
however, the OP was technically in breach when he got a CD copy of his brothers vinyl. is there a difference? i dunno
WMA. a really bad format, proprietary, and if a file is marked unsharable (something like that) when created, it will never play on a different PC unless the licence is transferred.
licences are often lost after HD failure etc.
ive been telling people for years to never use WMA.
with regard to accessing rare stuff;
some of the albums listed iin this thread are available to listen to online, free ,legitimately, and if you are clever about it you can extract the audio mp3 files and keep them.
i'm not giving details, as this may also be breach of copyright, although i do think its less naughtly than using P2P solulseek etc.
is it breach of copyright (or indeed just morally wrong) to download content which is only meant for streaming?
opinions.......
# Posted on October 5th 2009 by rumpole
Re: Incredibly rare folk albums.
I'd sell my mother for a copy of Apples in Winter's only album; featuring Sean Tyrrell. The man himself doesn't even have a copy.
# Posted on October 5th 2009 by bigdee