Hi iwas wondering if you could help me out a bit.
For my A level music im investigating the traditional music of America, Scotland Ireland and England, But I need a peice of traditional music which is common to at least two of these countries, so that I can compare the differences in styles.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks
Miss McLeod's, Mason's Apron, Fisher's Hornpipe and so many more shared between all of those countries. Of course, the 'pure drop' people might not agree that these should be included. But when older Irish people frequent our little sessions (perhaps while they're visiting the flat track), we play these tunes among others and those people love it - tell us that it reminds them of home.
WHISKEY BEFORE BREAKFAST. AKA and see "Spirits of the Morning." Canadian (originally), Old‑Time; Breakdown. D Major. Standard tuning. AABB. A widely known tune, often mistaken for an old traditional old‑time tune (it was even listed on one album as "an Irish tune which has been popular in America for a number of years”). It has generally been credited to the mid‑twentieth century by Manitoba, Canada, fiddler and composer Andy de Jarlis....
Soldier's Joy - Played in England, Wales (The Gower Reel), Scotland, Shetland and S. Apallachians, in various versions. Not heard it in an Irish session, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's an Irish variant knocking around somewhere.
Turkey in the Straw - American tune popularised in Ireland by Irish-American musicians. Related to English tune The Rose Tree.
The Boys of Blue Hill (Ireland)/The Lads of North Tyne (NE England)/The Beaux of Oak Hill (Scotland)
Pigtown Fling/ Stoney Point (Ireland/Ameriica)
Dare I say it, The Irish Washerwoman - Common to England, Ireland and Scotland. No doubt also found in the New England repertoire.
All sorts of people will let you know their strong feelings agiainst this ...but if you want to say academic things about a tune, this is old and played everywhere - all across Europe (england - very popular here for clogging, scotland, ireland - reluctantly, scandinavia - according to the comments section of the session link and bluegrass/old timey american)
All the research is out there waiting for you to cut and paste it.
Anyway -read the comments at the above link - paly the tune and decide for yourself.
You might like to look at the music of Donegal, which has many tunes of Scottish origin - in particular, Strathspeys that have been flattened out into 'Highlands'.
I personally think that some of the most interesting examples of this process are in Newfoundland. If you are interested in pursuing this you might write to the Memorial University Folklore and Language Archive: munfla@mun.ca. You might get a more complicated story than you really need but you might also have a very good time at it.
I heard "The Four Poster Bed" being played in bluegrass style by a bluegrass band once. I asked the musicians was it part of the US tradition - They were not sure, but they thought so.
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Hi iwas wondering if you could help me out a bit.
For my A level music im investigating the traditional music of America, Scotland Ireland and England, But I need a peice of traditional music which is common to at least two of these countries, so that I can compare the differences in styles.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by Nicky.B
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Banish Misfortune, St. Annes Reel, Jolly Beggarman/Red-Haired Boy, Whiskey Before Breakfast....
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by John Galt
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You may find interesting material by looking through these:
http://folktunefinder.com/bitsAndPieces/
I will be happy to do any additional custom analysis on the index (if doable)
Joe
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by Joe Wass
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barrowburn reel. scottish and cape bretons probably play it
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by Kirsten Forsyth
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Miss McLeod's, Mason's Apron, Fisher's Hornpipe and so many more shared between all of those countries. Of course, the 'pure drop' people might not agree that these should be included. But when older Irish people frequent our little sessions (perhaps while they're visiting the flat track), we play these tunes among others and those people love it - tell us that it reminds them of home.
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by vonnieestes
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Whiskey Before Breakfast? Has it crept into the Irish and English traditions?
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by Bob himself
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"Lord McDonald's" - Scotland, Ireland and USA.
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by Kenny
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Oops. My bad. From "The Fiddler's Companion":
WHISKEY BEFORE BREAKFAST. AKA and see "Spirits of the Morning." Canadian (originally), Old‑Time; Breakdown. D Major. Standard tuning. AABB. A widely known tune, often mistaken for an old traditional old‑time tune (it was even listed on one album as "an Irish tune which has been popular in America for a number of years”). It has generally been credited to the mid‑twentieth century by Manitoba, Canada, fiddler and composer Andy de Jarlis....
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by John Galt
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Soldier's Joy - Played in England, Wales (The Gower Reel), Scotland, Shetland and S. Apallachians, in various versions. Not heard it in an Irish session, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's an Irish variant knocking around somewhere.
Turkey in the Straw - American tune popularised in Ireland by Irish-American musicians. Related to English tune The Rose Tree.
The Boys of Blue Hill (Ireland)/The Lads of North Tyne (NE England)/The Beaux of Oak Hill (Scotland)
Pigtown Fling/ Stoney Point (Ireland/Ameriica)
Dare I say it, The Irish Washerwoman - Common to England, Ireland and Scotland. No doubt also found in the New England repertoire.
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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P.S. Soldiers Joy also has variants in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finand and Estonia.
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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soldiers joy
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1356
All sorts of people will let you know their strong feelings agiainst this ...but if you want to say academic things about a tune, this is old and played everywhere - all across Europe (england - very popular here for clogging, scotland, ireland - reluctantly, scandinavia - according to the comments section of the session link and bluegrass/old timey american)
All the research is out there waiting for you to cut and paste it.
Anyway -read the comments at the above link - paly the tune and decide for yourself.
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by spindizzy
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You might like to look at the music of Donegal, which has many tunes of Scottish origin - in particular, Strathspeys that have been flattened out into 'Highlands'.
# Posted on August 14th 2009 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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I personally think that some of the most interesting examples of this process are in Newfoundland. If you are interested in pursuing this you might write to the Memorial University Folklore and Language Archive: munfla@mun.ca. You might get a more complicated story than you really need but you might also have a very good time at it.
# Posted on August 15th 2009 by nfldbox
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The Wind that Shakes the Barley, the Tarbolton Lodge, and Drummond Castle are all Scottish tunes which have been played in Ireland for long.
# Posted on August 15th 2009 by slainte
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I heard "The Four Poster Bed" being played in bluegrass style by a bluegrass band once. I asked the musicians was it part of the US tradition - They were not sure, but they thought so.
# Posted on August 15th 2009 by Sean Lead Liath
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Soldiers' Joy is often quoted as *the* classic boundary-crossing tune - so it would be a good idea, as suggested by many posts here, to follow it up.
It bores me rigid, but that's beside the point. Prepare to suffer in the pursuit of knowledge.
# Posted on August 16th 2009 by nicholas
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This website is a great resource for the various versions of a tune that are floating about in different traditions:
http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/
# Posted on August 16th 2009 by AlBrown